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Monday, May 03, 2021

Mets relieve Chili Davis and Tom Slater of their duties, Hugh Quattlebaum & Kevin Howard to join coaching staff

The New York Mets have announced tonight that the club has relieved hitting coach Chili Davis and assistant hitting coach Tom Slater of their duties, effective immediately. The club has named Hugh Quattlebaum the team’s new hitting coach and Kevin Howard the new assistant hitting coach. Both will be in St. Louis on Tuesday.

Quattlebaum, 42, joined the Mets organization this offseason as the minor league director of hitting development. He had spent the previous three seasons with Seattle. Quattlebaum was the Mariners’ minor league hitting coordinator in 2018-2019 and was the assistant hitting coach with the Major League team during 2020. Prior to working with the Mariners, he was coaching and consulting in Southern California. Quattlebaum was drafted by Detroit in the 25th round of the 2000 First-Year Player Draft from Amherst College (MA). He spent four years in the Tigers (2000-2002) and Orioles (2003) minor league systems.

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   1. GregD Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:08 AM (#6016761)
Hugh Quattlebaum is an amazing name
   2. Walt Davis Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:10 AM (#6016762)
I blame Lindor
   3. MY PAIN IS NOT A HOLIDAY (CoB). Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:14 AM (#6016763)
Hugh Quattlebaum is an amazing name


Dammit, I logged in to say the same.
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:24 AM (#6016765)
Mets beat the Phillies on Sat and Sun, scoring 8 runs on Sun.
scored 5 more tonight, but deGrom is pitching Tue.
of course they won't score many runs but they might win the game anyway.

can't risk a winning streak - especially with Carrasco back in about 10 days and Thor arriving next month.

so this one had to happen tonight, for whatever reason

#Lindor*COUGH*Lindor
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:29 AM (#6016766)
Hugh Quattlebaum is an amazing name
Lots of uninspired nickname potential: Quat, Quats, Quaster, Quatter, Quatsie, Bum, Bummer, Q-Bum. At this point, Mets fans might prefer ‘The Miracle Worker’.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:35 AM (#6016769)
I guarantee it’s just “Q.” But somehow it should be followed by “Oh, of the Manhattan Quattlebaums?”

If you read the name “Hugh Quattlebaum” without any context, how old would you think the guy is, and/or what century would you think the character was from? But he’s 42, i.e. younger than 99% of us here.
   7. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:38 AM (#6016770)
One would think a .241 team batting average (before tonight's game) would be nothing to celebrate, but it's 2021 and the Mets were ninth in MLB. Heck, the Yankees as a club were hitting a miserly .221.
   8. Rob_Wood Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:51 AM (#6016772)
If you read the name “Hugh Quattlebaum”


Harry Potter villain?
   9. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: May 04, 2021 at 02:31 AM (#6016780)
7. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:38 AM (#6016770)
One would think a .241 team batting average (before tonight's game) would be nothing to celebrate, but it's 2021 and the Mets were ninth in MLB. Heck, the Yankees as a club were hitting a miserly .221.


No, Mr. Adorable, one would think team batting average would be nothing to discuss.
   10. asinwreck Posted: May 04, 2021 at 07:31 AM (#6016783)
The Mets' coaches currently include Hugh Quattlebaum and Dave Jauss, who could be policemen in a Neil Gaiman story.
   11. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: May 04, 2021 at 07:32 AM (#6016784)
Hugh Quattlebaum is an amazing name


Isn't he the British TV/movie scientist that inspired Doctor Who...?
   12. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 04, 2021 at 07:56 AM (#6016786)
I support all this, simply so that "Hugh Quattlebaum" is a part of our baseball life.

That said, you know how Ted Williams struggled to manage other players because he had trouble dealing with the fact that he was working from a different plane than pretty much any other human, when it came to hitting?

Well, does it work the other way? Because those who can hit, hit; and those who cannot hit, teach?

Quattlebaum played four seasons in the minors:

NY Penn League: He hit .301
Midwest A League: .239
Florida State League (high-A ball): .155
Carolina League (high-A ball), plus three games at AAA Ottawa: .177, with a slugging percentage of .190.

He's been a hitting instructor for years now. I wonder if a player was ever like, "Who are you to tell me how to improve my hitting?!"
   13. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 04, 2021 at 08:47 AM (#6016787)
"Mr. Dickens, I'd like you to meet ..."
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: May 04, 2021 at 09:05 AM (#6016788)

No, Mr. Adorable, one would think team batting average would be nothing to discuss.


Hardly. Though unlikely to stay that low, a .233 league-wide batting average suggests we're watching a dreadful game.
   15. The Duke Posted: May 04, 2021 at 09:12 AM (#6016790)
I assume Dr. Seuss has been named GM and we just haven’t heard yet
   16. winnipegwhip Posted: May 04, 2021 at 09:21 AM (#6016791)
You can't spell Quatllebaum without QUAB.
   17. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 04, 2021 at 09:23 AM (#6016792)
Here’s a fun article about Hugh Q from a few years ago. He apparently shared a rookie card with Edwin Encarnacion, which was his biggest claim to fame until now.

Then there’s Hugh Quattlebaum on the left. If you don’t know who that is, well, you’re probably not alone. Quattlebaum played four seasons in the minors with the Tigers and Orioles and was released after compiling a career .241 average. Like so many before him — and after — Quattlebaum’s chances of reaching the major leagues died a mostly anonymous death.

Quattlebaum was out of baseball by 25, but his story goes beyond those four middling seasons he played in the minor leagues. He won a dunk contest in Finland (he played college hoops at Division III Amherst College in Massachusetts) and spent time in Los Angeles writing comedy scripts.

“That’s a joke among all my friends,” Quattlebaum said, “how I’m destroying the value of that card. It’s a joke at how productive Edwin has been. But now that I am at least back in the game, it’s not as embarrassing.”
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 04, 2021 at 09:26 AM (#6016794)
Lots of uninspired nickname potential: Quat, Quats, Quaster, Quatter, Quatsie, Bum, Bummer, Q-Bum. At this point, Mets fans might prefer ‘The Miracle Worker’.


I guarantee it’s just “Q.”


He can lead the Great Awakening of Mets bats.
   19. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: May 04, 2021 at 10:03 AM (#6016800)
I always think that firing someone a few weeks into the season is a mistake. If you had so little faith in the individual that a few weeks of poor results was enough to fire them, they should have been fired before the season started. To me, it makes more sense to fire person before the season starts rather than during the season unless there are some extenuating circumstances.
   20. Itchy Row Posted: May 04, 2021 at 10:24 AM (#6016803)
His name is the German word for "Quattletree."
   21. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 04, 2021 at 10:29 AM (#6016804)
One would think a .241 team batting average (before tonight's game) would be nothing to celebrate

Quattlebaum played four seasons in the minors with the Tigers and Orioles and was released after compiling a career .241 average.
Coincidence???

Q thinks not.
   22. Adam Starblind Posted: May 04, 2021 at 11:34 AM (#6016823)
The Quattlebaum name has an interesting history. There is a white side and black side of the family. The white Quattlebaums were major slaveholders, but they decided at some point that slavery was wrong and freed theirs, many of whom (most? all?) took the Quattlebaum name. Today it is a relatively common name for black Americans. I was actually surprised to see that Hugh was white. There's much more to the story, but this is the part I remember for sure.
   23. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: May 04, 2021 at 12:33 PM (#6016838)
His name is the German word for "Quattletree."


So when we see Mets fans on Twitter saying "DIE QUATTLEBAUM!!!", they're really just saying "The Quattletree" in German.
   24. JL72 Posted: May 04, 2021 at 01:06 PM (#6016851)
If you read the name “Hugh Quattlebaum” without any context, how old would you think the guy is, and/or what century would you think the character was from?


A Dickens' novel, right?
   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 04, 2021 at 01:24 PM (#6016860)
Not surprising that a $341M star free agent signing having a sub-.500 OPS, 42 OPS+ will get people fired. The funny thing is that Lindor had a great spring training, hitting .370/.433/.630 in 60 PA. Not that spring training is all that predictive, but you’d think Lindor would have started the season feeling good about his preparation and pleased with his new contract. Still a lot of time left, of course.
   26. Walt Davis Posted: May 04, 2021 at 06:44 PM (#6016956)
Chili coached the 2012-14 A's. They were average in year 1, moved up to 3rd in scoring and a 107 OPS+ in year 2. They were 3rd in scoring but back down to a 100 OPS+ in year 3. It was the A's so it was a revolving door of personnel but Donaldson broke out and Cespedes hit some.

Then the Red Sox for 2015-17. The 2015 Sox were 4th in scoring but just a 97 OPS+. In 2016, they were #1 in scoring and put up a 112 OPS+. Those good times didn't last as they dropped to 6th and a 92 OPS+. The young hitters kinda went as the team did -- Mookie had one standard Mookie year and two OK years; Xander had two good years and one average year; Bradley one good, one bad; Castillo was a disaster, Devers had a nice debut.

He lasted just one year with the Cubs and was the scapegoat for 2018. They finished 4th in scoring and the position players had a 104 OPS+ but that was the year we couldn't hit with RISP. Given the lacklustre offense of 2019-21, that probably wasn't his fault.

On to the Mets who finished 7th in scoring but a solid 109 posOPS+ in 2019, then 7th again on a very robust 121 OPS+. This year last in scoring on an average posOPS+.

So with the possible exception of this year, he doesn't seem to have been "bad" anywhere but he hasn't been consistently good. Normally I might think all that bouncing around was a bad sign but I'm not sure any hitting coaches stay put these days. (I can't even tell you who the Cubs coach is right now.)

If you had so little faith in the individual that a few weeks of poor results was enough to fire them, they should have been fired before the season started.

General agreement but it is a really bad start. They are at 3.3 R/G, .3 runs behind the #14 team and a full run below average. And it's not just Lindor, Dom Smith and McCann have also been terrible. In this case possibly the "mistake" was in having faith to begin with rather than having little faith. That is, I agree that "if we don't start out well, he's gone" means he should be gone now. But maybe this was a case where they had plenty of faith in March but this start has been so bad, it's "obvious" that faith was misplaced.

But mainly, the hitting and pitching coaches are frequently the first lambs to be sacrificed.


   27. cardsfanboy Posted: May 04, 2021 at 07:07 PM (#6016960)
From my reading of the comments from the GM (or whoever that was) it's not about the results so much as about an unwillingness to embrace the philosophy that they are trying to teach. My guess is that the front office is trying to push the statcast style of coaching, where you look to improve in a measurable way, and that the hitting coaches were talking more about situational hitting... ultimately it feels like more a philosophy debate, where the coaches said they would try to do the statcast thing, then the season started and they didn't.
   28. Lassus Posted: May 04, 2021 at 07:12 PM (#6016962)
That's all well and good, but it's more that the Mets are still last in Hits, Runs, and HR. No one would give a shit about any philosophy if they could get some more offense.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 04, 2021 at 09:53 PM (#6016993)
Can it be a good decision if it made Pete Alonso cry?
Pete Alonso learned about the firings on social media and says, before long, he was in tears. A day after hitting coach Chili Davis and assistant Tom Slater were dismissed, Alonso was still in shock that team officials deemed a change necessary..
. . .
Alonso said he cried at his locker the previous night after learning that “Uncle Chili” and “Uncle Slate” had been dismissed from their positions, as acting general manager Zack Scott looked to improve the coaching staff’s process and preparation with the hitters.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: May 04, 2021 at 10:16 PM (#6016995)
that is completely consistent with Alonso's personality.

it's partly adorable and partly frustrating that he has the emotional IQ of a 15-year-old.....
   31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 04, 2021 at 10:20 PM (#6016998)
it's not about the results so much as about an unwillingness to embrace the philosophy that they are trying to teach.


I could be totally wrong, but wasn't that a factor in Chili Davis' dismissal with the Cubs?
   32. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 02:58 AM (#6017018)
I could be totally wrong, but wasn't that a factor in Chili Davis' dismissal with the Cubs?

Maybe. The first rumor was that many key Cub players told management they felt Chili was messing up their swing. In later interviews, Chili felt that players weren't listening to him. This was an interesting quote from Chili in a Gonfalon thread:

“Hopefully, he has better success at this than I did,” said Davis, who stressed no hard feelings with the Cubs. “But regardless of who’s there, certain players there are going to have to make some adjustments, because the game’s changed, and pitchers are pitching them differently. They’re not pitching to launch angles and fly balls and all that anymore. They’re pitching away from that. They’re going to have to make that adjustment whether I’m there or not.”

Seems like he was right about that -- pitchers reportedly have changed their approach pretty substantially over the last few years. There was also an article earlier this year about how the Cubs had somehow managed to become terrible fastball hitters. Of course that doesn't mean that Chili had come up with any solution to that. FWIW, the 2019 Cubs definitely hit better (exc Russell and Almora) but the 2020 team was pretty poor, especially Baez, Bryant and Schwarber. So far this year, the big guns are doing well but everybody else is pretty crap.
   33. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 03:39 AM (#6017020)
In later interviews, Chili felt that players weren't listening to him.

I should add that in the interview, he clearly accepted at least some blame for this, that he needed to find better ways to communicate to the players.
   34. The Duke Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:29 AM (#6017023)
Chili seems to have done ok with several teams which would indicate he has the ability to communicate across multiple cultures. If you look at the stuff Jeff Albert is doing with the cardinals, that’s just not chili. The cardinals fired their version of chili to bring Albert on board. Unfortunately they didn’t know the key to the astros success was cheating so it’s not clear Albert actually knows what he is doing.

Guys like Dejong and goldschmidt keep getting worse. Bader and O’Neill don’t really get better but they might not be good. Molina, who probably doesn’t listen to any stinkin coach, is better this year. Arenado - too early to tell. Edman is s slap hitter who probably doesn’t need a lot of coaching

Their two strike approach has been so-so. Overall, the tech approach hasn’t seemed to work

And of course you have voit, Arozarena, and Kelly who leave the org and seemingly within days are hitting so much better.

I like Chili’s approach
   35. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:40 AM (#6017041)
Apparently some players are unhappy about this.
   36. Adam Starblind Posted: May 05, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6017059)
Apparently some players are unhappy about this.


Some of us are unhappy about them.

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