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Mets should be all-in on Brian Sabean, winning Giants executive, to run front office

As the Mets’ search for a chief of baseball operations continues, the latest name to surface is Brian Sabean.

The 65-year-old is currently acting as a special assistant for the Giants after being their winning GM for 18 seasons from 1997 to 2014. Under his leadership, the Giants won three World Series titles and had a winning record in 13 of the 18 seasons he spent as San Francisco’s GM. Before he landed on the West Coast, Sabean began his professional career as a scout for the Yankees. He was an architect of the Yankees farm system that ultimately produced champions in Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Andy Petitte, Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera.

Not only would Sabean be a home-run hire for the Mets, but he’s apparently willing and excited to be considered for the club’s open position for president of baseball ops.

A source close to Sabean confirmed to the Daily News that he very much would like another challenge in his life. He’s going stir crazy in San Francisco with essentially nothing to do (in the role of a special assistant) with the Giants. But the real attraction for Sabean would be the fact that it’s New York and it’s the Mets, the source said. Unlike Billy Beane, who was reluctant to uplift his family and roots from the West Coast to New York City, the source close to Sabean said he would do it in a heartbeat if the Mets offered him the job.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 22, 2021 at 04:33 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Adam Starblind Posted: October 23, 2021 at 09:29 AM (#6048519)
This is an easy yes. Maybe he brings Bochy along. Give him a thirtysomething whiz of a GM as heir apparent. Wins all around, perhaps even on the field.
   2. Rough Carrigan Posted: October 23, 2021 at 12:37 PM (#6048541)
If Sabean's such an obviously wonderful choice why hasn't anyone tried to hire him away before this?
   3. JJ1986 Posted: October 23, 2021 at 12:48 PM (#6048544)
Sounds like Sabean is trying to get his name out there.
   4. Adam Starblind Posted: October 23, 2021 at 12:56 PM (#6048545)
Good. What's the alternative? Somebody's Assistant GM sandwiched between Alderson and Alderson's son?

If there are others of stature who can exercise unquestioned authority like a POBO must, then they should get a look too.
   5. Adam Starblind Posted: October 23, 2021 at 12:59 PM (#6048546)

If Sabean's such an obviously wonderful choice why hasn't anyone tried to hire him away before this?


He's an obvious choice for the Mets, who need an adult in the room to run things with autonomy and to groom a young GM to take over in a few years.


   6. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 23, 2021 at 06:17 PM (#6048591)
. . . Brian Sabean? This is the second time in a week I thought a thread had been resurrected by an adbot only to find the Mess still think it's 2005.
   7. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 23, 2021 at 06:20 PM (#6048592)
Wins all around, perhaps even on the field.


But probably not that many. Sabean built some okay teams that got very lucky, it's true. But is there any particular reason to think that he's a guy worth employing above and beyond a lot of other dudes? I can't see it.

who need an adult in the room


Like the Red Sox needed an adult in the room in the early 00s? Or more like the Rays needed an adult in the room a few years later?

What the Mets need is to break out of the we-need-someone-famous-to-run-this-organization treadmill, and do it well. They no more need an adult in the room than they need a trampoline at spring training.
   8. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: October 23, 2021 at 06:26 PM (#6048594)
But probably not that many. Sabean built some okay teams that got very lucky, it's true. But is there any particular reason to think that he's a guy worth employing above and beyond a lot of other dudes? I can't see it.

Yeah, nobody ever got more mileage out of building an 87-win team that inexplicably won the World Series the half the time it even managed to qualify for the postseason at all.
   9. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 23, 2021 at 06:29 PM (#6048597)
Yeah, nobody ever got more mileage out of building an 87-win team that inexplicably won the World Series the half the time it even managed to qualify for the postseason at all.


But again, one is not allowed to notice that the Giants have been fortunate of late, because of reasons.
   10. McCoy Posted: October 23, 2021 at 06:34 PM (#6048598)
What the Mets need to do is spend money and let smart baseball people run the the organization. It doesn't look like the new owner will be doing that.
   11. Adam Starblind Posted: October 23, 2021 at 07:02 PM (#6048605)
. What the Mets need to do is spend money and let smart baseball people run the the organization. It doesn't look like the new owner will be doing that.


The evidence for this is … you got picked on growing up?
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: October 23, 2021 at 07:18 PM (#6048606)
Yeah, nobody ever got more mileage out of building an 87-win team that inexplicably won the World Series the half the time it even managed to qualify for the postseason at all.
What is this a reference to? His Giants teams went to the playoffs with 97, 95, 100, 92, 94, 88, 87 wins. Those don't seem weirdly low.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 24, 2021 at 05:41 PM (#6048742)
What is this a reference to? His Giants teams went to the playoffs with 97, 95, 100, 92, 94, 88, 87 wins. Those don't seem weirdly low.

A stupid view that the team with the most regular seasons wins "should" win every World Series, and if they don't, it's somehow tainted/unfair.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: October 24, 2021 at 05:52 PM (#6048744)
Also, a stupid view that reduces the career of a guy whose teams averaged almost 90 wins per season over 18 seasons to that one year when it won the WS with only 88 victories.
   15. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 24, 2021 at 11:24 PM (#6048784)
What the Mets need is to break out of the we-need-someone-famous-to-run-this-organization treadmill, and do it well. They no more need an adult in the room than they need a trampoline at spring training.

Who was the last famous exec the Mets hired, besides Sandy?

Brodie? Porter? Minaya? Jim Duquette? Steve Phillips? Guys like Ricciardi, Baird, DePodesta were brought in as mid-level guys but none were running the show.

I don’t think they need to bring in a big name, but that certainly hasn’t been their MO over the years.
   16. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 25, 2021 at 11:27 AM (#6048848)
A stupid view that the team with the most regular seasons wins "should" win every World Series, and if they don't, it's somehow tainted/unfair.


Or the perfectly legitimate view that it's fair to notice when a team wins three world series in ten years without ever being particularly good. You know, reality.
   17. Nasty Nate Posted: October 25, 2021 at 11:37 AM (#6048853)
I suspect some people unintentionally consider a team like the 2010 Giants worse for having won the World Series, compared to them hypothetically losing in the NLDS or whatever. It's such a weird resentment.
   18. JJ1986 Posted: October 25, 2021 at 11:37 AM (#6048854)
I wouldn't be thrilled with it, but I actually think Sabean might be a good choice for a few years. The Mets probably need someone to overhaul their player development system at some point and build everything up from the base, but right now I want the team to be competing for a World Series this year and next year while deGrom and Lindor are in their primes.
   19. Russ Posted: October 25, 2021 at 12:22 PM (#6048872)
I love to watch fans of teams kvetch about this GM or that GM when THE PIRATES HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE WORLD SERIES FOR 43 YEARS. And they have only been to the World Series 3 times in the last *65* years and only 5 times in the last 97. I would actually start watching baseball again if the Pirates got Sabean as GM. How could it possibly be any worse?
   20. McCoy Posted: October 25, 2021 at 01:06 PM (#6048904)
Oh poor Pirates fans. Boo hoo.
   21. McCoy Posted: October 25, 2021 at 01:08 PM (#6048905)
Let's see

Cubs have been to the WS once in the last 75 year and have been to the WS 6 times in 102 years.
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 25, 2021 at 01:14 PM (#6048906)
Or the perfectly legitimate view that it's fair to notice when a team wins three world series in ten years without ever being particularly good. You know, reality.


Ok, so which good team should have won the 2010 World Series? The Giants had the second-best record in the National League, so they seem like as good a choice as any.

Which good team should have won the 2012 World Series? The Giants slipped to third in the NL that year, but in a knot of teams with 94 to 98 wins, so they seem like as good a choice as any. Especially since the 98-win team purposely left one of its best players on the bench.

   23. McCoy Posted: October 25, 2021 at 01:23 PM (#6048907)
The Cubs should have won both times, clearly
   24. Doug Jones threw harder than me Posted: October 25, 2021 at 02:00 PM (#6048915)
It's interesting how things have come back around, but as most on-field-managers have embraced analytics, the need for direct supervision of the on-field product has waned since the days when Billy Beane and Art Howe clashed. Now, just as in Branch Rickey's day, the biggest task for a GM is to manage the player development system. Brian Sabean's strategy BITD was to draft and develop pitchers, and trade for or sign position players - the thinking behind it being that pitchers were scarce, but also fragile, so better to have a pipeline of pitchers and identify position players to trade for, as the latter would be likely surer bets. The strategy I think still makes sense, but of course requires other GM's to adopt an opposite strategy for the optimal result. Is Sabean the right man to do the same for the Mets? His front office was by all accounts pretty well run, though his protege Bobby Evans did not pan out as his successor. I think the biggest issue with Brian Sabean in this case is - does he have a successor in mind who he would bring along with him, and would that person be a good fit for NY?
   25. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 25, 2021 at 02:55 PM (#6048922)
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   26. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 25, 2021 at 02:58 PM (#6048925)
Which good team should have won the 2012 World Series? The Giants slipped to third in the NL that year, but in a knot of teams with 94 to 98 wins, so they seem like as good a choice as any. Especially since the 98-win team purposely left one of its best players on the bench.

With the Giants acing the 88-win Tigers, the Commissioner should have stepped in for the good of the game and canceled the WS.
   27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 25, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6049012)
The Mets may be down to their 6th or 7th choice, as it is now reported that Giants’ GM Scott Harris & Dodgers’ Assistant GM Brandon Gomes have taken themselves out of consideration. Maybe the Mets will opt for a self-promoting blogger this time?
   28. bunyon Posted: October 25, 2021 at 09:15 PM (#6049015)
I feel like I’m as diehard of a “current playoffs water down the regular season too much” as anyone alive but saying the giants weren’t particularly good during their weird championship run is going way too far.
   29. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 25, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#6049023)
Or the perfectly legitimate view that it's fair to notice when a team wins three world series in ten years without ever being particularly good. You know, reality.

Well, in my book, a team that wins three World Series IS particularly good.

How about the 2013 Red Sox that snuck one fluke good year among three last place finishes. Is that win tainted too?
   30. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 26, 2021 at 01:04 AM (#6049056)

How many MLB franchises won more regular season games than the Giants during Sabean's tenure as GM. It can't be more than 4 or 5, right?
   31. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 26, 2021 at 01:20 AM (#6049057)
How about the 2013 Red Sox that snuck one fluke good year among three last place finishes. Is that win tainted too?


Of course not, the Red Sox are always awesome. Even when they finish last in the East, they are the most awesome last place team in the AL.
   32. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:14 AM (#6049074)
#30

Most wins from 1997-2014 (the time listed that Sabean was GM with day-to-day control):

                      
Tm     Wtm  Ltm tmW-L%
NYY   1729 1183   .594
ATL   1651 1263   .567
BOS   1600 1315   .549
STL   1595 1319   .547
SFG   1556 1358   .534
OAK   1549 1365   .532
LAD   1544 1371   .530
PHI   1496 1419   .513
CLE   1482 1433   .508
CHW   1480 1435   .508
   33. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 26, 2021 at 09:45 AM (#6049080)
Or the perfectly legitimate view that it's fair to notice when a team wins three world series in ten years without ever being particularly good. You know, reality.


I think Mets fans would trade 'not ever being particularly good' :eyeroll: for ten years in exchange for three world series wins.

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