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Mets’ Tim Tebow improving, will be major leaguer: scouts, Cano

Scouts have noticed improvement in a scout’s way.

“I will say this, he’s gotten a lot better on the offensive side,’’ said one scout at Roger Dean Stadium in Jupiter, where the Mets were bashed 8-1 by the Marlins. “His defense is still too much like a football player in left field.”

Another scout added: “You know what, I was rooting against him at the start three years ago, but I have to say he has improved and just as importantly, he has said all the right things and done the right things. As an extra guy he might be the kind of good because he is not a negative force.”

Jim Furtado Posted: March 13, 2019 at 07:57 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. I Am Not a Number Posted: March 13, 2019 at 08:02 AM (#5822314)
So apart from his offense and his defense, he's good to go.
   2. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 13, 2019 at 08:12 AM (#5822317)
So he is 31, plays left field, and doesn't hit for big power. How many uniforms can they sell?
   3. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: March 13, 2019 at 08:13 AM (#5822318)
It's comments like #2 that make me want to see Tebow succeed. Cynicism is cheap. Cynicism is easy.
   4. Lassus Posted: March 13, 2019 at 08:29 AM (#5822321)
but I have to say he has improved, and just as importantly, he has said all the right things
That is not as important.
   5. Swoboda is freedom Posted: March 13, 2019 at 09:19 AM (#5822331)
Tim Tebow is hitting 267/389/267 this spring. I am sure he is a wonderful guy and a great athlete. But he is 31 and is not playing a premier defensive spot. He has improved dramatically, but the only way he makes the majors is because of his name.
   6. manchestermets Posted: March 13, 2019 at 09:27 AM (#5822334)
Cynicism is cheap. Cynicism is easy.


Cynicism is the only possible response to any suggestion that the Mets signed Tebow because they think he'll ever be a cromulent major league baseball player.
   7. JJ1986 Posted: March 13, 2019 at 09:31 AM (#5822338)
I've seen him take maybe 5 at-bats this spring and he does not look like a major league hitter to my eye. He has a long, stiff swing without much lift.
   8. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: March 13, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5822378)
The Mets 40 man looks to be at 39.... I see a couple of shuttle fodder 20something pitchers that probably wouldn't be missed.

I'm pretty much at the same place I was when they signed him - Meh, selling jerseys has value to an org too.

Were I a Mets fan, the only provisos I'd have for tossing some September PAs at him (yes, for jersey sales) would be not wanting to lose anyone on waivers or otherwise other repercussions of the 40 man crunch.... but very few teams end up in a place where they can't 'waste' a 40 man spot.
   9. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: March 13, 2019 at 10:58 AM (#5822386)
Tebow has pretty good RAW power, if that's your biggest concern then there's hope there. (Limited hope, I don't think he'll get here, but hope.) I don't see anywhere else where he might have an average tool. (Speed is close.) He improved dramatically to "abysmal" on D last year from "makeitstopmakeitstop".
   10. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: March 13, 2019 at 11:07 AM (#5822388)
I suppose if you're 31 and trying to make the big leagues - and you only get one tool, raw power is probably the one to pick (well, pitchers aside, I guess).

Your speed is likely to be diminishing already by this age... you need to play a premium defensive position for anyone to be too excited about your arm and range/glove.... Contact skills are probably deteriorating after 30 as the reflexes age.

   11. J in the Slope Posted: March 13, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5822411)
I've always figured that by time he figures out baseball skills, the aging curve will rob him of any chance he'd have of being a backup outfielder/PH guy.
   12. KJOK Posted: March 13, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5822440)
It's certainly something that he's probably surpassed Michael Jordan in baseball playing skill, but I would be very surprised if he he can star in AA or AAA.
   13. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: March 13, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5822446)
Of course - he's entering his... 4th? year of playing pro baseball. I think Jordan only played a single season, no?
   14. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 13, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5822453)
Of course - he's entering his... 4th? year of playing pro baseball. I think Jordan only played a single season, no?

He played in the AZ Fall League in 2016, so he's really entering his 3rd-and-change season. He was certainly better than Jordan after the first full season. He was probably better than Jordan during that first full season as well (is a .664 OPS in high-A ball better than .556 in AA?)

Anyway, I'm with RMC in #3. At this point I'm certainly rooting for Tebow to succeed, even if success just means getting some above-replacement-level PAs at the MLB level.
   15. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: March 13, 2019 at 01:47 PM (#5822466)
but I have to say he has improved, and just as importantly, he has said all the right things

That is not as important.


He knows a lot about Sean Connery.
   16. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 13, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5822470)
Tebow has done a fine job of making himself an acceptable AA player. I wish I could do that.

He has not shown any reason to put him on an MLB roster.
   17. billyshears Posted: March 13, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5822485)
I mean, god forbid Tim Tebow rob ABs from the likes Adrian Gonzalez or Jose Bautista.
   18. Baseballs Most Beloved Figure Posted: March 13, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5822498)
I'm perfectly fine with the Mets using Tebow as a minor league attraction but if he was any other 31 year old with no major league experience he would be released this spring.
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 13, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5822506)
I don't think Tebow gets enough credit for spending an entire season with the Mets organization and not requiring Tommy John surgery.
   20. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: March 13, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5822508)
I don't think Tebow gets enough credit for spending an entire season with the Mets organization and not requiring Tommy John surgery.

Maybe the Mets should keep him around to lay hands on other players. Couldn't hurt!
   21. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: March 13, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5822521)
Anyway, I'm with RMC in #3. At this point I'm certainly rooting for Tebow to succeed, even if success just means getting some above-replacement-level PAs at the MLB level.


If that's your bar - prepare to be disappointed, I think.

I mean, plenty of below replacement level players get MLB PAs... that's probably Tebow's bar to aim for.

I mean, god forbid Tim Tebow rob ABs from the likes Adrian Gonzalez or Jose Bautista.


Indeed... Like I said - this is likely Tebow's 'goal'. Well, not his goal per se - but a more realistic goal. In the same manner some obviously cooked veteran gets a few PAs because of his lingering 'fame'...

I don't see much difference between the two scenarios.
   22. manchestermets Posted: March 13, 2019 at 04:23 PM (#5822545)
I mean, god forbid Tim Tebow rob ABs from the likes Adrian Gonzalez or Jose Bautista.


The bar should be set higher than "have players [even backup players] who are better than Adrian Gonzalez or Jose Bautista".
   23. Walt Davis Posted: March 13, 2019 at 05:07 PM (#5822561)
I predict he will spend 40 days in the majors at age 33 then things will come to a crashing halt soon after.

I don't see much difference between the two scenarios.

Oh c'mon, you do too. Guys who used to be outstanding MLers have a much better shot of playing cromulently (off the bench, in an emergency, as a one-season stopgap that's not embarrassing) than a guy who hasn't shown he can hit AA pitching well.

For example, Bautista had 1.4 WAR for the Mets. He stunk in Atl but was also solid for the Phils. Overall, 1.4 WAR, 0.1 WAA in 399 PA. Bautista was perfectly decent last year. If teams still carried 15 position players, an AL team might find a spot for him as a RHB DH and PH (though eh sucked against LHP last year so maybe not). But FWIW, Rfield rated him as average in RF last year; statcast was (probably) less kind putting him -7 vs. an average OF ... which is probably about where an average RF sits. So maybe he was really just a 1 WAR player in 399 PA, still perfectly cromulent performance.

From the other Tebow thread, ZiPS projects him to -3.1 WAR, the worst batter (by -0.8 WAR) that ZiPS projected. ZiPS projects Bautista to 0.4 (Steamer 0); AGon to -0.5. Who knows how accurate a projection system is at the extremes of a Tebow (since we never get to see such guys in the majors) but those are not small differences.

Now if you want to claim that there are plenty of guys at AAA who could out-perform Bautista or especially AGon then sure, that's probably true ... and the 2018 Mets would have been better if they had acquired some of those guys cheaply. Or if you just want to point out that most vets end up getting at least 100 PA, 30 IP more than they really deserve at the end of their career, well that's fine too. (Unless he plays this year, that wasn't really true of Bautista.)

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