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Thursday, December 12, 2019

Mets to sign Rick Porcello

The Mets have struck a deal with free agent righty Rick Porcello, according to Ken Rosenthal and Eno Sarris of The Athletic. It’s a one-year, $10MM deal, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network.

Just when I thought it was safe to watch starting pitching, the terror returns.

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:16 PM | 46 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bad pitcher gets paid, he's a bum, i tell you, a bum, mets, mets being mets, rick porcello

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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5908151)
Very solid 4th SP. Procello is going to give you 175-200 IP of league averagish pitching. That's nice in the 4th spot.
   2. Traderdave Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5908152)
An 87 ERA+ still was worth 1.1 WAR. That's surprising...
   3. PreservedFish Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:36 PM (#5908158)
And yet in 2017, Porcello had a 98 ERA+ and tallied -0.2 WAR.

It's times like this that I head to Fangraphs, where Porcello has been a ~2 WAR pitcher for three years running, no wacky performance swings. The unvaunted (vauntless?) Mets defense won't do him any favors, but still, that's a solid backend pitcher.
   4. formerly dp Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:36 PM (#5908160)
This basically keeps Gsellman & Lugo in the pen. Wacha as long man/swing starter?

They're apparently trying hard to move Lowrie, which is a very Mets thing to do...and maybe not the best move given all of their injuries. They have the same infield cast now as they did last year when they signed him, actually a little thinner now with Frazier gone.
   5. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:40 PM (#5908163)
He was worth .6 bWAA in his time with the Red Sox, and that's including his Cy Young year.
   6. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5908165)
He has been very durable and he could give the Mets 30+ starts of 95 ERA+ pitching without being much better than he was last year. The Mets shouldn’t expect him to be great but just taking the ball every 5th day and not being awful is valuable for a team with little depth in the minors.

If the Mets trade Lowrie, is the plan going to be Davies at third, Rosario at short, McNeil at 2nd, and Alonso at 1st? That's not a great infield defensively.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:43 PM (#5908166)
If the Mets trade Lowrie, is the plan going to be Davies at third, Rosario at short, McNeil at 2nd, and Alonso at 1st? That's not a great infield defensively.

I think it's McNeil at 3B, and Cano at 2B (at least vs. RHP).
   8. formerly dp Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:44 PM (#5908167)
I figured Cano at 2b, McNeil at 3b, Davis in LF. Did they dump Cano or are you just planning on him being hurt all year?
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5908168)
I figured Cano at 2b, McNeil at 3b, Davis in LF. Did they dump Cano or are you just planning on him being hurt all year?

Probably Davis in LF ~50% of the time. If you figure they give Marisnick 300-350 PA in CF, with Nimmo taking the rest, that leaves Nimmo in LF half the time.
   10. Lassus Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5908174)
In Russlan's defense, I had also kinda forgotten Cano was on the team.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5908176)
I'd line em up like:

McNeil 2B
Lowrie 2B
Conforto RF
Alonso 1B
Cano 2B
JD Davis 1B
Dom Smith 1B
Rosario SS

Although it might be time for Cano to transition from 2B to 1B
   12. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5908178)
In Russlan's defense, I had also kinda forgotten Cano was on the team.

I honestly had forgotten myself. Yikes.

Although it might be time for Cano to transition from 2B to 1B

I hope you haven't forgotten about Alonso.
   13. jmurph Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5908179)
I continue to not understand the economics of free agent pitching. Surely he could have found a multi-year deal? Unless this is what the player/agent wanted- hope to have a better year and then cash in?
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5908180)

deGrom Thor Stroman Matz Porcello Wacha

Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Van Wagenen on his Oct. pledge not to trade Noah: "I think nothing has changed. As far as Syndergaard, we fully anticipate him to be at the front of our rotation along with Jake and Stroman and these other two guys we added and Matz, I think we’re feeling very good about it … "
12:28 PM · Dec 12, 2019
   15. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:25 PM (#5908183)
I continue to not understand the economics of free agent pitching. Surely he could have found a multi-year deal? Unless this is what the player/agent wanted- hope to have a better year and then cash in?

I am sure it is the latter.
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5908185)
I continue to not understand the economics of free agent pitching. Surely he could have found a multi-year deal? Unless this is what the player/agent wanted- hope to have a better year and then cash in?
Well, maybe his choice was between 1/$10m or 2/$16m or 3/$21m or 4/$25m (or something like that). As we all know, the number of years in a deal don't necessarily correspond to how good it is for the player.
   17. jmurph Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5908186)
Well, maybe his choice was between 1/$10m or 2/$16m or 3/$21m or 4/$25m (or something like that). As we all know, the number of years in a deal don't necessarily correspond to how good it is for the player.

Right, but I would have honestly thought of 3/30 or 36 as a team bargain, too? But again, the bet on himself theory makes sense.
   18. jmurph Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:38 PM (#5908187)
From MLB Trade Rumors:
Other teams reportedly offered three-year arrangements in an effort to woo Porcello, so there’s obviously some belief in the game that it’s plausible. But he’s also coming off of his ugliest season as a big leaguer.
   19. formerly dp Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:39 PM (#5908188)
Snapper, 2 things:
1) I'm not resigning myself to the current outfielders being the ones they head north with. Apparently shopping Nimmo hard.

2) Cespedes is in the mix too. That's not something they should plan on, but it does leave them with 2 poor fielding lf who hit from the right side...and Nimmo, who is sort of a wild card at this point. They really need a legit CF who can hit enough to justify a starting gig. Marisnick is Lagares v 2, unless I'm missing something.
   20. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 12, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5908189)
I really hope that the Mets acquire Pillar.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5908196)
1) I'm not resigning myself to the current outfielders being the ones they head north with. Apparently shopping Nimmo hard.

That seems like a mistake to me.
   22. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: December 12, 2019 at 02:02 PM (#5908198)
Good for Rick, I hope he works out. Useful pitcher, seems to be a good guy and from what I saw always accountable if things didn't work.
   23. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 12, 2019 at 02:06 PM (#5908203)
Right, but I would have honestly thought of 3/30 or 36 as a team bargain, too?
The MLB Trade Rumors Free Agent Projection has Porcello at 1 year, $11M, albeit with the Giants. Looks like the industry was rather down on him, unless he can re-establish his worth.
   24. formerly dp Posted: December 12, 2019 at 02:06 PM (#5908204)
They're actively shopping Nimmo and Smith. Neither of those guys will bring a huge return (and dealing Nimmo when his value is cratered isn't the best move), but it's December, and they seem to be aware that they've got too many similar players crowding one spot. Smith, Davis, Cespedes, McNeil, and Nimmo are all in the mix (too bad JD can't really play 3b either). BVW has shown he likes to make moves, even if they're not always good ones. So yeah I'd expect them to add and subtract a couple of OFs between now and March.
   25. bfan Posted: December 12, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5908226)
Cespedes is in the mix too.


He will have been gone from competitive baseball for about 18 months, with at least a decent amount of that time in a position where he could not exercise regularly. Does anyone think there is a decent chance that he shows up for spring training in the worst shape of his life?
   26. Karl from NY Posted: December 12, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5908227)
An 87 ERA+ still was worth 1.1 WAR. That's surprising...

And yet in 2017, Porcello had a 98 ERA+ and tallied -0.2 WAR.

Looks like that discrepancy is unearned runs. He gave up 20 in 2017, only 7 in 2019. Difference of 13 is 1.3 WAR, exactly as you'd expect.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: December 12, 2019 at 02:52 PM (#5908236)
#2, #3 -- in this case the difference was the defense rating. In 2017, bWAR gives the Red Sox credit for saing nearly half a run per 9; in 2019, they were costing their picther .3 per 9. That swing is a bit over .75 R/9. If you look at the RA9avg column, that's the estimated RA9 of an average pitching in that park context with that defense behind him. So in 2017, Procello gave up 5.53 R/9 when bWAR estimates an average pitcher would have given up just 4.65 which, if accurate, is terrible. In 2019, bWAR estimates an average pitcher would have given up about 5.8/9 while Porcello gave up 5.9 so just a bit below average.

In this particular case, those "extra" runs given up in 2017 were unearned so bWAR is blaming him for a lot of those extra UER. Whether that means the Red Sox defense happened to play terribly behind him while playing well behind everybody else is the sort of thing bWAR will miss while fWAR essentially blames all extra negative IP outcomes on the defense.
   28. Adam Starblind Posted: December 12, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5908263)
dealing Nimmo when his value is cratered isn't the best move


You hear this a lot about players coming off down years, but isn't his value his value? He's worth less to another team for the same reason the Mets can't be confident what he'll give them next season.
   29. formerly dp Posted: December 12, 2019 at 04:32 PM (#5908289)
You hear this a lot about players coming off down years, but isn't his value his value? He's worth less to another team for the same reason the Mets can't be confident what he'll give them next season.
Right...but the Mets know well enough what he is by this point: stretched defensively in CF on a team that has plenty of other options in LF. I would be comfortable giving him the everyday job in left if they didn't have Davis and Cespedes already on board, with McNeil possibly getting time out there too.

And you raise a good question in light of the other guy pertinent to the conversation: Dom Smith. The Mets would have dealt Smith for basically nothing last offseason, and this year his trade value should be a bit higher, after he finally demonstrated an ability to hit major league pitching (at a still-youngish age, too). I don't think the return on Smith will be huge, but it'll be higher than it likely would have been last year...

He will have been gone from competitive baseball for about 18 months, with at least a decent amount of that time in a position where he could not exercise regularly. Does anyone think there is a decent chance that he shows up for spring training in the worst shape of his life?

I don't expect much from Cespedes, but he is playing for a contract and the surgeries he had the previous offseason supposedly fixed long-term heel problems that had been causing cascade injuries (iirc?). It feels so much like last winter, except he's another year removed from playing, like you pointed out, and another year older. They have to play him if he's healthy, but the latest reporting suggests that he's still in doubt for the season. Here's BVW:

"Well we have to be smart and not assume anything from anyone, try to create talent on our roster and potentially try to create impact,” Van Wagenen said. “If he's at his best, he's a high-impact performer. We'll have to see how that plays out.”
So yeah, wtf do they do with that? He'd be an expensive righty pinch-hitter if he's healthy, but he'd also need some time as a regular to get adjusted again.It's basically the most Mets situation you can be in.
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 05:01 PM (#5908299)
Right...but the Mets know well enough what he is by this point: stretched defensively in CF on a team that has plenty of other options in LF. I would be comfortable giving him the everyday job in left if they didn't have Davis and Cespedes already on board, with McNeil possibly getting time out there too.

Why would you prefer Davis to Nimmo? Nimmo is a good defender in left, and Davis is bad.

I'd trade Smith and Davis before Nimmo.
   31. bobm Posted: December 12, 2019 at 05:48 PM (#5908315)
For 2019, RISP (within Bases Occupied), (requiring IP_from_outs >= 162 for entire season), sorted by greatest OPS for this split

                                                               
Rk   I             Player Split Year  OPS OPStot   IP IPtot  BF
1           Rick Porcello  RISP 2019 .977   .809 37.2 174.1 183
2         Masahiro Tanaka  RISP 2019 .892   .751 34.1 182.0 152
3       Eduardo Rodriguez  RISP 2019 .887   .714 35.2 203.1 157
4          Reynaldo Lopez  RISP 2019 .876   .833 42.1 184.0 196
5              Mike Fiers  RISP 2019 .858   .712 33.0 184.2 138
6           Miles Mikolas  RISP 2019 .855   .761 41.1 184.0 165
7              Mike Leake  RISP 2019 .834   .823 40.2 197.0 180
8            Trevor Bauer  RISP 2019 .824   .743 46.2 213.0 205
9          German Marquez  RISP 2019 .823   .740 37.2 174.0 154
10           Martin Perez  RISP 2019 .822   .785 41.0 165.1 184
11          Julio Teheran  RISP 2019 .812   .717 39.2 174.2 180
12             Jon Lester  RISP 2019 .807   .815 44.0 171.2 189
13        Jeff Samardzija  RISP 2019 .790   .692 30.1 181.1 133
14              Max Fried  RISP 2019 .789   .743 39.0 165.2 161
15        Sandy Alcantara  RISP 2019 .782   .719 47.1 197.1 204
16           Homer Bailey  RISP 2019 .781   .719 31.0 163.1 130
17           Joe Musgrove  RISP 2019 .777   .738 37.0 170.1 159
18              Ivan Nova  RISP 2019 .777   .833 46.0 187.0 188
19          Merrill Kelly  RISP 2019 .775   .761 40.1 183.1 180
20          Jose Quintana  RISP 2019 .773   .763 43.2 171.0 193
21        Adam Wainwright  RISP 2019 .773   .782 41.2 171.2 182
22         Kyle Hendricks  RISP 2019 .767   .687 36.2 177.0 159
23     Anthony DeSclafani  RISP 2019 .762   .717 32.0 166.2 136
24       Noah Syndergaard  RISP 2019 .760   .714 50.0 197.2 210
25      Madison Bumgarner  RISP 2019 .756   .717 41.0 207.2 172
26            Jakob Junis  RISP 2019 .732   .807 38.2 175.1 169
27             Wade Miley  RISP 2019 .726   .726 35.0 167.1 150
28         Marcus Stroman  RISP 2019 .725   .697 40.2 184.1 168
29           Jose Berrios  RISP 2019 .723   .707 43.0 200.1 173
30             Robbie Ray  RISP 2019 .722   .766 38.2 174.1 171
31          Dakota Hudson  RISP 2019 .721   .742 43.2 174.2 186
32          Joey Lucchesi  RISP 2019 .717   .702 33.1 163.2 139
33             Zach Eflin  RISP 2019 .713   .775 36.2 163.1 164
34             Aaron Nola  RISP 2019 .706   .708 44.2 202.1 187
35          Lucas Giolito  RISP 2019 .704   .646 30.0 176.2 118
36           Matthew Boyd  RISP 2019 .703   .766 39.0 185.1 161
37             Yu Darvish  RISP 2019 .702   .695 36.2 178.2 146
38           Tanner Roark  RISP 2019 .692   .806 35.0 165.1 156
39         Patrick Corbin  RISP 2019 .691   .668 43.0 202.0 186
40           Zack Wheeler  RISP 2019 .687   .694 48.1 195.1 204
41         Marco Gonzales  RISP 2019 .681   .736 48.0 203.0 201
42           Shane Bieber  RISP 2019 .678   .663 35.2 214.1 150
43          Luis Castillo  RISP 2019 .674   .633 37.2 190.2 156
44          Jack Flaherty  RISP 2019 .672   .591 28.0 196.1 115
45         Brett Anderson  RISP 2019 .666   .724 43.0 176.0 170
46         Walker Buehler  RISP 2019 .651   .636 34.1 182.1 139
47            Brad Keller  RISP 2019 .650   .711 37.0 165.1 152
48      Stephen Strasburg  RISP 2019 .648   .620 41.0 209.0 160
49        Clayton Kershaw  RISP 2019 .647   .664 32.2 178.1 124
50         Anibal Sanchez  RISP 2019 .614   .709 40.1 166.0 178
51           Zack Greinke  RISP 2019 .612   .623 42.2 208.2 160
52             Lance Lynn  RISP 2019 .606   .689 50.1 208.1 213
53             Mike Minor  RISP 2019 .603   .704 46.1 208.1 178
54           Max Scherzer  RISP 2019 .595   .637 36.2 172.1 145
55             Sonny Gray  RISP 2019 .575   .605 36.2 175.1 146
56           Jacob deGrom  RISP 2019 .549   .580 42.1 204.0 165
57           Hyun-Jin Ryu  RISP 2019 .546   .622 39.2 182.2 148
58         Charlie Morton  RISP 2019 .542   .623 44.1 194.2 171
59            Mike Soroka  RISP 2019 .534   .628 42.1 174.2 159
60       Justin Verlander  RISP 2019 .495   .579 30.2 223.0 117
61            Gerrit Cole  RISP 2019 .465   .579 37.0 212.1 140


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 12/12/2019.
   32. bbmck Posted: December 12, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5908318)
To counter openers and because 9 IP or longer isn't an option in Play Index. Games of 5+ IP and at least 2 outs per run allowed:

1675 games by pitchers with 100+ ERA+, Gerrit Cole and Justin Verlander lead this group with 28
392 games by pitchers with 90-99 ERA+, Ivan Nova leads this group with 20
243 games by pitchers with 80-89 ERA+, Rick Porcello leads this group with 17
190 games by pitchers with 70-79 ERA+, Antonio Senzatela leads this group with 13
65 games by pitchers with 69 or lower ERA+, Felix Hernandez leads this group with 8

2565 total games meeting the criteria out of 4422 opportunities (2211 games) or 58% of the time. Porcello started 30 games that were 9 innings so 57% of the time 5+ IP and didn't get blown out or league average.
   33. bobm Posted: December 12, 2019 at 06:17 PM (#5908325)
[32] Run support helped his record greatly.

Rick Porcello: For 2019, (requiring IPouts>=15, and IPouts>.67*R), sorted by run support (runs scored total each game)

                                                                         
Rk         Date  Tm Opp   Rslt RS RA Rdiff AppDec  IP R Pit GSc BF    WPA
1    2019-07-25 BOS NYY W 19-3 19  3    16 GS-6 W 6.0 3 112  52 25  0.079
2    2019-07-20 BOS BAL W 17-6 17  6    11 GS-5 W 5.0 6  99  24 27 -0.280
3    2019-05-27 BOS CLE W 12-5 12  5     7 GS-7 W 6.2 5 110  43 33 -0.001
4    2019-09-25 BOS TEX W 10-3 10  3     7 GS-6 W 6.0 3  98  56 25  0.106
5    2019-08-27 BOS COL W 10-6 10  6     4 GS-5 W 5.0 2  79  48 22  0.185
6    2019-07-15 BOS TOR W 10-8 10  8     2 GS-6 W 6.0 4 112  42 28 -0.075
7    2019-07-06 BOS DET W 10-6 10  6     4 GS-6 W 5.2 6 106  31 27 -0.045
8    2019-05-05 BOS CHW  W 9-2  9  2     7   GS-6 6.0 2 102  61 23  0.087
9    2019-08-16 BOS BAL  W 9-1  9  1     8 GS-6 W 6.0 1  84  60 23  0.262
10   2019-05-11 BOS SEA  W 9-5  9  5     4 GS-7 W 6.2 4 107  52 27 -0.125
11   2019-08-05 BOS KCR  W 7-5  7  5     2 GS-6 W 6.0 1  99  63 24  0.264
12   2019-04-25 BOS DET  W 7-3  7  3     4 GS-6 W 6.0 3  91  51 26  0.023
13   2019-05-22 BOS TOR  W 6-5  6  5     1   GS-6 6.0 1  80  66 21  0.278
14   2019-09-15 BOS PHI  W 6-3  6  3     3 GS-5 W 5.0 2  76  54 20  0.070
15   2019-04-20 BOS TBR  W 6-5  6  5     1   GS-6 5.2 2  91  53 23  0.146
16   2019-04-30 BOS OAK  W 5-1  5  1     4 GS-8 W 8.0 0 114  84 28  0.325
17   2019-07-31 BOS TBR  L 5-8  5  8    -3 GS-6 L 5.2 6  98  33 27 -0.269
18   2019-09-20 BOS TBR  L 4-5  4  5    -1   GS-6 6.0 0  87  72 21  0.365
19   2019-06-12 BOS TEX  W 4-3  4  3     1   GS-7 6.2 2 101  62 25  0.243
20   2019-08-10 BOS LAA L 4-12  4 12    -8 GS-6 L 5.0 5  75  40 20 -0.196
21   2019-06-17 BOS MIN  W 2-0  2  0     2 GS-7 W 7.0 0  94  76 26  0.519
22   2019-08-21 BOS PHI  L 2-5  2  5    -3 GS-5 L 5.0 3 100  48 22 -0.082
23   2019-05-17 BOS HOU  L 1-3  1  3    -2 GS-8 L 7.0 2  95  59 28  0.023
24   2019-06-07 BOS TBR  L 1-5  1  5    -4 GS-6 L 6.0 4 100  43 27 -0.098
25   2019-06-23 BOS TOR  L 1-6  1  6    -5 GS-6 L 6.0 5  98  34 29 -0.124


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 12/12/2019.
   34. formerly dp Posted: December 12, 2019 at 07:04 PM (#5908331)
Why would you prefer Davis to Nimmo? Nimmo is a good defender in left, and Davis is bad.

I'd trade Smith and Davis before Nimmo.

Davis hits the #### out of the ball. The Mets have been really bad at getting guys who can do that. I like Nimmo a lot, but I'm not confident he has the bat for left or the glove for center; it's tough to judge him at all from last year. But he's cost-controlled, and there's not really a huge harm to keeping him. As we've seen repeatedly, these overcrowding issues have a way of working themselves out.
   35. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: December 12, 2019 at 08:00 PM (#5908337)
You hear this a lot about players coming off down years, but isn't his value his value? He's worth less to another team for the same reason the Mets can't be confident what he'll give them next season.


For me it’s about expectations. If you believe Nimmo (or whatever player) is actually better than he performed in the most recent season it makes sense to hold him, let him play better for you and then either reap the benefits of that or trade him when he plays betters and benefit from the improvement. You trade him now if you think he won’t improve.
   36. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 12, 2019 at 09:16 PM (#5908348)
Note on the Porcello to SFG idea from mlbtr- the team guesses are just that, WAGs, and iirc Dierkes said that they had a 12% success rate on that last year.
   37. Howie Menckel Posted: December 13, 2019 at 12:46 AM (#5908376)
Baseball Forecaster on Porcello:

"As swinging-strike rate continues to wane, room for error is becoming razor-thin."

they say whiff rates on sinker and changeup also are declining, so "his speculative value to you lies to the back of your rotation."

check.

Wacha comment can be summed up in one word: "Avoid."

   38. Walt Davis Posted: December 13, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5908577)
Wacha's on an incentive-heavy contract that only guarantees $3 M. Cot's doesn't have details yet but it's $7-8 worth of possible bonuses. So it's probably something like $3 M for every 10 starts. If he's getting shelled, they let him go so it's not that big of a deal.

The Mets seem to be trying for a cheaper version of the Dodgers' strategy of the last several years of having 6+ high-quality but fragile starters to rotate through hoping at least 4 are at any given time. If you can afford it, better 120 innings from each of Hill, Ryu, Kershaw than 180 innings each from two 100 ERA+ starters. I'm not sure that strategy works so well when three of the 6 pitchers are Porcello, Wacha, Matz quality.
   39. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5908582)
The Mets don't seem to be doing anything creative here. Matz is an unexceptional young guy with injury risk and modest upside. Porcello is a solid 4th or 5th starter. Wacha is a 6th starter, and paid like a 6th starter. Maybe if they had better AAA starters, they wouldn't bother.
   40. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 13, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5908584)
The Mets don't seem to be doing anything creative here. Matz is an unexceptional young guy with injury risk and modest upside. Porcello is a solid 4th or 5th starter. Wacha is a 6th starter, and paid like a 6th starter. Maybe if they had better AAA starters, they wouldn't bother.

It's smart though. Lots of season have been torpedoed by having to give 30 starts to guys with a collective 6.00 ERA.
   41. PreservedFish Posted: December 13, 2019 at 05:16 PM (#5908586)
It'll still happen. The 7th starter has a career ERA of 8.80
   42. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 13, 2019 at 05:18 PM (#5908587)
Yead, I tend to agree with PF. The Mets aren't doing anything really clever and probably wouldn't do it at all if they had any depth.
   43. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: December 13, 2019 at 07:53 PM (#5908611)
Bartolo Colon is ready and willing to add some depth.
   44. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 13, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5908613)
Bartolo Colon is ready and willing to add some depth
More width than depth.
   45. formerly dp Posted: December 13, 2019 at 10:15 PM (#5908622)
Don't know how this impacts anything, but apparently Cespedes had his 2019 salary cut in half and a significant reduction in his 2020 salary as well, in settling his grievance.
   46. Howie Menckel Posted: December 14, 2019 at 01:05 AM (#5908657)
The 7th starter has a career ERA of 8.80

if that's Flexen, he officially is now on a slow boat to .... somewhere in Asia, no kidding.

the 7th starter is Lugo or Gsellman.

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