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Minnesota Twins’ Josh Donaldson ejected for kicking dirt at plate after homer

The Minnesota Twins’ Josh Donaldson managed to get ejected while hitting a home run.

Donaldson barked at plate umpire Dan Bellino for the second time in the sixth inning of a 4-3 loss to the Chicago White Sox on Thursday. With Minnesota trailing 3-2, Bellino called a strike when the 2015 American League MVP checked his swing on a 2-0 pitch from Reynaldo Lopez.

Twins manager Rocco Baldelli came out to speak with Bellino, and Donaldson homered down the left-field line on the next offering. After rounding the bases, Donaldson kicked dirt at home plate as he crossed it.

Bellino ejected him immediately, and Donaldson, realizing he had missed home plate, returned to the plate to touch it and then argued as he kicked more dirt on it.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 18, 2020 at 03:39 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. depletion Posted: September 18, 2020 at 04:53 PM (#5977530)
One of the dumber moves of all time by Donaldson. I haven't heard of him being particularly slow upstairs; perhaps telecommuting is getting to him. Only could have being made even more memorable by the ump flipping a new ball to the catcher and the catcher touching home plate to get Donaldson out and take the run off the board.
   2. depletion Posted: September 18, 2020 at 05:02 PM (#5977532)
Are you allowed to touch a base as part of the game if you've been ejected? Maybe they should have taken the run off the board anyway. If you intentionally spit on the 2nd base ump during a home run trot, and get ejected before you reach home plate, does the home run count? In the 1999 NLCS Robin Ventura hit a bases loaded home run while down by fewer than 3 runs. Ventura was mobbed at first base and never made it around to score: the play known as the "grand single". So apparently hitting the ball over the fence does not cause the run. Correctly touching all the bases and home plate after hitting the ball out causes the run.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: September 18, 2020 at 05:05 PM (#5977534)
I guess the intro answers my question -- what happens if a player is ejected before the play finishes? Maybe nobody noticed here but if Donaldson has already been ejected, how can he legally touch home plate? Is Minnesota supposed to send out a pinch-runner to touch the plate? Or does he go back to third? Or does the rule book state that an ejection doesn't take effect until the ball is dead?

EDIT: A bleary-eyed 7am Sydney time Coke to depletion ... do we owe Cokes for asking the same question?
   4. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: September 18, 2020 at 05:11 PM (#5977536)
Are you allowed to touch a base as part of the game if you've been ejected? Maybe they should have taken the run off the board anyway. If you intentionally spit on the 2nd base ump during a home run trot, and get ejected before you reach home plate, does the home run count? In the 1999 NLCS Robin Ventura hit a bases loaded home run while down by fewer than 3 runs. Ventura was mobbed at first base and never made it around to score: the play known as the "grand single". So apparently hitting the ball over the fence does not cause the run. Correctly touching all the bases and home plate after hitting the ball out causes the run.


Wasn't there a player who was injured in the middle of a home run trot and was substituted for when he couldn't make it around the bases? I remember that being an interesting discussion at the time; as I recall, it was allowed by the umpires but seemed questionable according to the rules as written. But I'm completely forgetting all the details now.

Some Googling shows it was Gabe Kapler (he was on second base when the home run was hit and ruptured his achilles before getting to third), actually, and the article I found mentions that while the umpires allowed a substitute baserunner, the rules are silent on this exact circumstance. So I imagine the Twins could have put in the pinch runner at third base and had him complete the trot legally, at least according to that precedent.

Also, how dumb to get ejected from a tie game.
   5. depletion Posted: September 18, 2020 at 05:13 PM (#5977537)
I didn't think about the pinch runner aspect. I suppose the pinch runner ends up on third, because play is stopped. Maybe? Anyone have a rule book handy.
   6. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 18, 2020 at 05:16 PM (#5977538)
The run counts - the ejection doesn't take effect until the play is concluded.

Rule 9.01(d)

Each umpire has authority to disqualify any player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible in that play.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: September 18, 2020 at 06:31 PM (#5977552)
Rulebooks take away all the fun of speculation.
   8. The Honorable Ardo Posted: September 18, 2020 at 06:47 PM (#5977555)
Jay Jaffe on the Carlos Gomez-Brian McCann brawl

In September 2013, Carlos Gomez hit a home run, was ejected before touching home plate, but the run still counted.
The official ruling was that McCann obstructed the runner, and (crew chief Dana) DeMuth gave the run to Milwaukee.
   9. salvomania Posted: September 18, 2020 at 09:23 PM (#5977579)
Josh Donaldson may be the first and only player in baseball history to get ejected while hitting a home run. Amazing.

Not the first, nor the only. This new HoFer did it 42 years ago.
   10. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 18, 2020 at 10:09 PM (#5977601)
I have found reports of others injuring themselves during home run trots including Luke Scott, Jim Edmonds and just last year Alex Avila. However all of them were able to make it home (it took Luke Scott almost 40 seconds).

What should happen in these situations is this.
   11. depletion Posted: September 18, 2020 at 10:37 PM (#5977609)
I get it when a batter is astonished at a ball/strike call and mouths off immediately, to the detriment of the team. After Donaldson was ejected the White Sox caught up and went on to win. So, yeah, take yourself out of the game to prove what a badass you are, Josh. He had the whole home run trot to carefully plot out this exquisite strategy. The Sox clinched an, admittedly COVID year, playoff spot with the win, so good for them.
   12. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: September 19, 2020 at 12:00 AM (#5977635)
In 2005 Tony Graffanino homered for the Red Sox but Gabe Kepler blew out his Achilles rounding the bases. The game had to wait several minutes for Kepler to get medical attention, then removed from the field and a pinch runner came in and completed the trot.
   13. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: September 19, 2020 at 09:05 PM (#5977710)
the article I found mentions that while the umpires allowed a substitute baserunner


If you weren't allowed substitute baserunners I could imagine a home run with a runner on base, the runner gets injured, and the guy who hit the home run has to walk patient behind the other guy as he crawls around the bases, so as to avoid passing a base runner and being called out.

But, on the other hand, there's no way that allowing a substitute baserunner is legal is there? You can't sub out a player during a play.
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: September 19, 2020 at 09:18 PM (#5977718)
the Twins' radio announcer was on NYC sports radio today, and he ripped Donaldson for his selfishness.

surprised to hear that. he was goaded further on Donaldson, but he responded there had been no problems this year before that.

Smoltz on Fox tonight took umbrage at the ejection, fwiw
   15. asinwreck Posted: September 19, 2020 at 09:46 PM (#5977728)
Us Sox fans appreciated Donaldson's donation to the cause. Most productive homer given up of the season.
   16. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: September 19, 2020 at 10:19 PM (#5977732)
But, on the other hand, there's no way that allowing a substitute baserunner is legal is there? You can't sub out a player during a play.


It actually is legal, or at least it was. I remember it from the Graffanino homered, there was a fair amount of talk about it because it was a September game when the Sox and Yankees were battling for the division and I think part of the delay was for Kapler and part was for the umps to figure out what to do.
   17. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: September 19, 2020 at 10:22 PM (#5977734)
Article about the play from 2005.. The relevant piece;

According to baseball rule 5.10 (c) (1), the Red Sox were allowed to insert a pinch-runner, mid-play.

That brought Alejandro Machado, a 23-year-old September call-up who had never been on base in the majors before, off the bench to score his first big-league run. He wishes it could have been under better circumstances.
   18. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: September 19, 2020 at 10:30 PM (#5977735)
The revised rule book has it as 5.12 (b)(3)(a)

(3)
When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire;
(A) If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent him from proceeding to a base to which he is entitled, as on a home run hit out of the playing field, or an award of one or more bases, a substi- tute runner shall be permitted to complete the play.
   19. Howie Menckel Posted: September 19, 2020 at 10:33 PM (#5977736)
Machado The Lesser went 1 for 5 in his MLB career with 4 runs scored.

after that 2005 appearance, he kept on trucking - in vain:

October 15, 2006: Granted Free Agency.

November 6, 2006: Signed as a Free Agent with the Washington Nationals.

December 7, 2006: Drafted by the Minnesota Twins from the Washington Nationals in the 2006 rule 5 draft.

November 9, 2009: Granted Free Agency.

November 30, 2009: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Mets.

April 5, 2010: Released by the New York Mets.

April 6, 2010: Signed as a Free Agent with the Florida Marlins.

May 12, 2010: Released by the Florida Marlins.

May 20, 2010: Signed as a Free Agent with the Atlanta Braves.

July 28, 2010: Released by the Atlanta Braves.

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