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Monday, July 18, 2022

MLB All-Star Game: League to use Home Run Derby tiebreaker

Monday might not see the only Home Run Derby of MLB All-Star week.

MLB has officially decided to hold a Home Run Derby tiebreaker should Tuesday’s All-Star Game be tied after nine innings, Yahoo Sports confirmed Monday.

The mini-derby will take the form of each manager selecting three batters and each batter taking three swings. Team coaches will throw pitches, and whichever team has the most homers after three rounds (nine swings) wins. If the two teams are still tied after three rounds, teams will send one batter to take three swings until the tie is broken.

MLB and the MLBPA had mentioned the possibility of a Home Run Derby tiebreaker in the new CBA signed last offseason.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 18, 2022 at 10:59 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John Northey Posted: July 19, 2022 at 12:16 AM (#6087310)
Great idea - who wants an all-star game that goes 20 innings?

OK, I do but I figure I'm the exception. 99% of viewers would rather see the dingers.
   2. John Reynard Posted: July 19, 2022 at 02:44 AM (#6087319)
Why not have the HR derby be against an unused reliever on the opposing team like how kicks decide ties in European football?
   3. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 19, 2022 at 09:16 AM (#6087331)
I was opposed at first on general principle because Manfred, but then all the actual stars are gone after the 5th inning so they can get all 80 players into the box score. Not as much drama watching "all-stars" like Andrew Benintendi, Jose Trevino, and Kyle Tucker taking swings against David Bednar with the game and league bragging rights on the line.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 19, 2022 at 10:20 AM (#6087345)

Why not have the HR derby be against an unused reliever


The pitcher should be up for a fan vote: Dallas Keuchel, Jose Berrios, Joan Adon, and Kris Bubic
   5. Ron J Posted: July 19, 2022 at 10:43 AM (#6087349)
Silly person. Everybody knows the right way to break ties is penalty kicks.
   6. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: July 19, 2022 at 11:05 AM (#6087351)
Does the All-Star game still "count"? I think they did away with that, right? Can't remember if it just alternates now, or the team with the best record hosts Game 1.
   7. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 19, 2022 at 11:14 AM (#6087355)
One step closer to the inevitable eventuality of all baseball games tied after nine innings being decided with a home run derby.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: July 19, 2022 at 11:18 AM (#6087357)
One step closer to the inevitable eventuality of all baseball games tied after nine innings being decided with a home run derby.

Stanton did a remarkably entertaining interview before the Derby last night, and he mischieviously made that exact suggestion!
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: July 19, 2022 at 11:53 AM (#6087360)
I'm in between, I was hoping they would do one inning of real baseball for the 10th, 11th will be the runner on second then go to the hr derby. Or you can just have the 10th be the phantom runner and the 11th the hr derby, but I do think they should at least play real baseball a small bit in overtime.
   10. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 19, 2022 at 12:00 PM (#6087361)
Real baseball hasn't been played since the early 90s. </angryoldman>
   11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 19, 2022 at 12:06 PM (#6087365)
I'd love to see the All-Star game go in a completely opposite direction, and treated like the 7th game of the World Series, with no unwritten requirements about substitutions and both managers going all out to win. Players on the winning team get $5,000,000 each, players on the losing team get a set of steak knives.
   12. catomi01 Posted: July 19, 2022 at 12:12 PM (#6087368)
I want to not like this, but it's just the All Star Game, so best I can offer is a shoulder shrug...my only fear is this what #7 said...this will open the door to something like this being used in games that matter.

Alternate ideas - HR derby idea, but you select 3 pitchers to hit instead...since we did away with pitchers hitting, let's see which ones are still taking some BP on the side. Or a "beat the freeze" style race between the two All-Star "emeritus" selections or whatever Pujols and Cabrera are.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: July 19, 2022 at 12:25 PM (#6087371)
I had the idea of putting two career minor league pitchers at the end of each bench. If the game goes extras, these guys are called on to go as long as the game lasts. The game is decided by baseball, a couple of non-prospects are compensated handsomely (regardless whether they get in the game, but much more if they have to pitch), we get to see how comparatively lower level guys do against the sport's second and third-best players (by this point, the best players are chasing skirt in the area's drinking establishments and casinos) and no pitchers who teams worry about are at risk.
   14. sunday silence (again) Posted: July 19, 2022 at 12:32 PM (#6087374)
in less than a generation or perhaps one generation this game has gone from something that was really enjoyable to something I have no interest in.

The great thing about the game was that it was one of the few all star games where you could actually play all out. Because baseball is more or less a set of individual matchups that don't involve much risk of injury. As opposed to football or hockey. Not sure about basketball why it never seemed to be played all out. So for years and years the two squads in baseball actually cared about it. At least in the days of Rose and Schmidt and probably in the 80s as well.

Amazing how quickly this game has become a dud. Was there a "jump the shark" moment? The first HR derby? the Randy Johnsonn over the top pitch to Kruk? was it?

the game that ended in a tie? I think thats it.
   15. winnipegwhip Posted: July 19, 2022 at 01:23 PM (#6087381)
Make it a Drag/Push Bunt Derby and I will care.
   16. winnipegwhip Posted: July 19, 2022 at 01:27 PM (#6087382)
SUNDAY....IMO it jumped the shark once interleague play started.
   17. winnipegwhip Posted: July 19, 2022 at 01:29 PM (#6087384)
Is Dire Straits going to be the musical guests to play Money For Nothing
   18. Ithaca2323 Posted: July 19, 2022 at 01:38 PM (#6087387)
ASGs in general, had this hook of getting the stars you didn't always see on one field.

Now, if you care, you can pretty much see any player at any time. I live in upstate NY and follow the Yankees. In 1991, I was nine, and that meant I was almost never going to see Tony Gwynn, and very rarely going to see Rickey Henderson. But I could at the ASG.

Now I can watch whatever baseball I choose because I can stay up as late as I want and am not bound by my local options, plus the random ESPN game. So what do I need the ASG for? What am I getting out of it? I can see Ohtani, Sotoa...whoever I want
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 19, 2022 at 01:38 PM (#6087388)
My candidate for the Jump the Shark year was 2001, when Joe Torre elected to bring on three middle relievers - his own Mike Stanton, Jeff Nelson (then of the Mariners but who had pitched for Torre on the Yanks for several years) and Paul Quantrill. To this point, the All-Star pitchers had either been starters or closers, who were at least putatively the best relievers on their team. I believe 2001 was the first time any middle reliever made the team, much less three of them.

Torre opened the floodgates for the Brett Cecils and Joe Jimenezes of the world, guys whose All-Star credentials consist of being able to keep their ERA under 2 for the first 28 innings of the season. At some point tonight, Joe Mantiply is going to face Santiago Espinal in a matchup of "All-Stars," and no one is going to care.
   20. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 19, 2022 at 02:19 PM (#6087396)
Amazing how quickly this game has become a dud. Was there a "jump the shark" moment? The first HR derby? the Randy Johnsonn over the top pitch to Kruk? was it?

the game that ended in a tie? I think thats it.


I guess I still watch it because of my atavistic rooting interest in the American League. When I was growing up, the NL was totally dominant, and since the late 80's revenge has been sweet.

But "1979" moments? The tie game. The home run derby. And worst of all, those godawful uniforms that take the place of the traditional team jerseys. It's like there was a contest to see just how ugly a uniform could possibly be designed, and of course it's 100% due to the Nike contract. It wouldn't surprise me if by the end of the decade teams will be sporting "new" jerseys for every home stand, just because Nike demands it.
   21. sunday silence (again) Posted: July 19, 2022 at 02:45 PM (#6087400)

SUNDAY....IMO it jumped the shark once interleague play started.


you know I was always opposed to this notion because I like interleague play. But now that you mention it that was really what gave the ASG cachet. I remember watching as a kid and they'd show the highlites of the Reggie Jackson HR and I had never seen him I dont think. Or seeing like Cookie Rojas who I had never heard of (he hit one that bounced off the top of the wall). So yeah that made it really cool.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 19, 2022 at 02:59 PM (#6087402)
Is it possible we've all lost interest in the ASG because we've gotten older?
   23. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: July 19, 2022 at 04:19 PM (#6087405)
I hate the all-star game and I always have. And I'll watch it tonight, like I always do.
   24. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: July 19, 2022 at 04:42 PM (#6087409)
It wasn't the greatest of All-Star games, but I like the idea behind the endurance:


Ten Players Played All 15 Innings in the 1967 MLB All Star Game

American League

Bill Freehan, Tigers, C

Brooks Robinson, Orioles, 3B

Tony Oliva, Twins, Twins, CF

Harmon Killebrew, Twins, 1B

Tony Conigliaro, Red Sox, RF

Carl Yastrzemski, Red Sox, LF

National League

Roberto Clemente, Pirates, RF

Hank Aaron, Braves, started in CF and finished in LF

Orlando Cepeda, Giants, 1B

Gene Alley, Pirates, SS


The game went 15 innings, and was over in 3:41.
   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 19, 2022 at 04:44 PM (#6087410)
The All-Star game went 15 innings as recently as 2008 without any adverse consequences that I can recall. MLB is again tinkering with the game to fix a non-problem. Not a huge deal, it’s just the All-Star Game, but it never stops.
   26. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: July 19, 2022 at 05:47 PM (#6087418)
Is it possible we've all lost interest in the ASG because we've gotten older?


Nah, I wasn't interested in it when I was 10 either.

The All-Star Game is a relic of the days before cable TV, when it was the only chance you'd ever get to see half of the biggest stars in baseball. It should have been put down 20 years ago.
   27. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: July 19, 2022 at 09:08 PM (#6087438)
The game went 15 innings, and was over in 3:41.

That's an MPE (Minutes Per Event [AB + BB + pitching changes + side changes]) of 1.46, compared to 1967's regular-season average of 1.66.

Most recent season: 1.71 for ASG, 1.92 regular season, or about 16% longer.

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