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Saturday, November 06, 2021

MLB CBA negotiations: MLBPA makes second economics proposal with only minor changes, per report

The Players’ Association made their second economic proposal last week, report The Athletic’s Evan Drellich and Ken Rosenthal, though it included only minor adjustments to their initial proposal in May. Among other things, the union’s May proposal included:

Raising the minimum salary and getting players into arbitration earlier.
Changes to the way service time is calculated, including early free agency in some cases.
Adjustment to the way the draft order is determined (currently reverse order of the standings).

MLB made their first (and so far only) economic proposal in August and it included a $100 million salary floor and a $180 million luxury tax threshold, substantially lower than the $210 million threshold in 2021. Also, the salary floor would be a “soft” floor, in which teams could simply pay a penalty should they fail to field a $100 million roster.,

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 06, 2021 at 02:14 PM | 4 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dr. Pooks Posted: November 06, 2021 at 04:09 PM (#6051595)
Interesting the MLBPA proposal involves changing the draft order.

What's the incentive for the players?

Potentially keeping some of the highest ranked amateurs from some of the cheapest, tanking small market teams?
   2. Walt Davis Posted: November 06, 2021 at 06:19 PM (#6051612)
It says change to the "method" of determining draft order -- presumably they want a lottery component or similar to combat (perceived) tanking a la the NBA.
   3. kcgard2 Posted: November 07, 2021 at 12:42 PM (#6051780)
Yeah, the incentive to change draft order is to discourage outright tanking. Encouraging competitiveness increases FA demand.
   4. Jack Sommers Posted: November 08, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6051904)
Considering everything basically shuts down thanksgiving week, I think it’s fair to say that unless there is a major breakthrough in negotiations by November 19th, then they won’t have a deal done by December 2nd. It feels 99% certain now the lockout is happening.

The questions now are how long will it last, and how will it impact off season moves. I’ve read so many conflicting opinions on what the impacts to off season moves might be that I’m a bit confused to be honest. But I THINK what will happen is trades will happen for guys that are already signed to guaranteed contracts, and may involve prospects that haven’t played in the majors yet.

However the FA market will be very very slow. A few signings will happen, but a lot will be put on hold until things are clearer. For example:

*If you were an NL team, would you consider signing Nick Castellanos to a multi year deal without knowing when or if the DH will start being used in the NL ?

*If you were a team that typically goes over or flirts with the CBA luxury tax, are you going to make a big splash and spend big money before you even know what the rules will be?

*if you were going to trade for a player, (or trade away a player) that is still X___ amount of years away from arbitration, or free agency, wouldn’t you need to know WHEN the guy is going to be arb eligible or a free agent to properly value him ?

These are just some of the questions I have. And like I said, I admit I'm a bit confused. So be gentle when disabusing me of any false notions please. ;)

I still believe they’ll avoid disaster by coming up with an agreement shortly after the new year. If they can cut a deal by January 15th, that still gives teams 3-4 weeks to set their spring training roster and start spring training on time. It could actually be a very exciting run up to the start of spring training.

However for every week past January 15th there is no deal, it could possibly mean a week delay to spring training, and subsequently the regular season.

By the way, the GM meetings are happening now, and the Winter Meetings are December 6-8. If there is no deal by December 2nd, why even bother with the winter meetings ?

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