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MLB fined 140 players for mask violations in 2021. Every appeal was denied, irking some players

Major League Baseball this season issued about 240 fines to about 140 players for failure to properly wear a face mask, people with knowledge of the process said. Although players routinely appealed the fines to the commissioner’s office, none have been overturned in a hearing, irking some players and their agents. In some instances, players have argued that their mask was down because they were taking a drink of water, but MLB has not been swayed. (Some fines, though, have been rescinded prior to hearings.)

Players were to receive a warning for at least a first violation, while subsequent violations brought a fine of $1,000, then $2,500, then $5,000. The general ability to issue discipline was agreed to by both MLB and the Players Association. MLB and the MLBPA declined comment.

The appeals process is the same that’s employed for on-field violations of more routine sorts, such as intentionally throwing at an opposing player. If the fine is up to $1,000, MLB’s senior vice president of on-field operations, Michael Hill, handles the appeal. For fines above $1,000, MLB’s John McHale, a special assistant to the commissioner, hears the case. Ultimately, the league office has sole discretion as to whether to reduce a penalty.

“We’re talking about tens of thousands, maybe $100,000 that are at stake here for players,” a player agent said. “The appeal’s heard by the guy who issued the fine.”...

In June, MLB dropped face-mask requirements for players who have been vaccinated, leaving the fines for the unvaccinated players.

“It essentially amounts to a bit of a witch hunt for unvaccinated players,” said the agent, who said he is a proponent of players getting the vaccine.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: October 08, 2021 at 10:21 AM | 39 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: October 08, 2021 at 11:57 AM (#6044762)
So, at least 140 players voted for Trump, right?
   2. Fiore Gino Posted: October 08, 2021 at 12:05 PM (#6044767)
They could form several teams from these fined players: the Cleveland Chin Straps and New York Nose Maskers are announced as the charter franchises
   3. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2021 at 12:09 PM (#6044770)
The other day at the store I saw a first: A woman wearing a mask that covered her nose but not her mouth. No idea how that happened. Looked very uncomfortable.
   4. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: October 08, 2021 at 12:31 PM (#6044781)
So, at least 140 players voted for Trump, right?

last i saw, ~55% of MLB players are republicans.
   5. Rough Carrigan Posted: October 08, 2021 at 12:59 PM (#6044790)
Masks are essentially useless. Before anyone heard of covid-19 we had a dozen studies over 40 years all of which showed that even in a hospital setting masks are mostly a cosmetic measure. Look how much we care. Yes, you can have a really good N-95 or better mask that you have perfectly fitted etc etc and you might get some short term benefit from that but the masks that people wear in some jurisdictions are basically useless. If you look at graphs of the progress of cases of covid 19 in different states the number of cases sometimes goes up right after a mask mandate, sometimes stays the same, sometimes goes down. They're irrelevant. The players union should be doing a better job representing their members.
   6. greenback used to say live and let live Posted: October 08, 2021 at 01:05 PM (#6044792)
If you look at graphs of the progress of cases of covid 19 in different states the number of cases sometimes goes up right after a mask mandate, sometimes stays the same, sometimes goes down.

That's what you would expect. Mask mandates should be forward-looking, recognizing that #### is about to get real, so the authorities do what they can to slow the anticipated spread of the virus. I mean, you'll find that a lot of people hit their brakes before slamming into the car in front of them. That doesn't mean brakes are useless.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 08, 2021 at 01:19 PM (#6044798)
If the government was serious about masks, shouldn’t there have been an effort to make medical-grade masks available to the public by now? Sure, at the beginning of the pandemic medical masks were in short supply, but we’ve had more than 18 months to ramp up production and distribution. That hasn’t happened, although a few people may have resorted to self-help to upgrade their protection. The emphasis seems to be solely on doing something highly visible even if the benefit is marginal.
   8. base ball chick Posted: October 08, 2021 at 01:21 PM (#6044801)
Rough Carrigan Posted: October 08, 2021 at 12:59 PM (#6044790)

Masks are essentially useless


- so

there is zero reason for people to wear them in the operating room?

you think there is zero difference between sneezing directly on someone and having 2 masks in between your nose and theirs?

you think the folks in hazmat stuff are maroons to do this for a virus or bacteria?

cmon

now masks are useless if they don't cover your nose and mouth, yeah

the reason that you think they "don't help" is because people get careless if they got no symptoms and wearing them right only AFTER they get symptoms. or they don't think they need to wear them with person X or place Y and then they get, transmit - and some folks figger - oh well they didn't do nothing

   9. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 08, 2021 at 01:35 PM (#6044803)
players have argued that their mask was down because they were taking a drink of water

In my experience, those on the side of stupidity use "taking a drink of water" as an excuse to not wear a mask for 5 to 10 minutes.
   10. bunyon Posted: October 08, 2021 at 01:37 PM (#6044804)
Yes, YC, the lack of good masks in the US is an enormous failure. Belongs now to two admins.
   11. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 08, 2021 at 01:57 PM (#6044808)
Are people still having trouble getting good masks? Really? I've had my US Gov approved KN95 stash for maybe a year and see lots of legit ones for sale.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 08, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6044824)
Well, unless your area is different, most people are wearing cloth masks, or the cheap disposable type, and have been doing so since masks of any kind became available. AFAIK, anyone wearing a medical-grade mask procured it on their own, and public health authorities haven’t mounted any campaign to urge people to upgrade to medical-grade masks.
   13. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 08, 2021 at 02:48 PM (#6044835)
Haven't really troubled myself on why people wear the cloths masks despite the routine headlines asking the same question. Same for not taking the damn shot.

I chalk it up to people being people -- lazy, incurious, "fashion-forward," paranoid.... But KN-95s are and have been easily available on Amazon and other places for a long time now, and there's zero reason to make them one and done.
   14. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: October 08, 2021 at 03:07 PM (#6044840)
Lazy and incurious is a great way to describe it. I've been wearing KN95 since a couple months after this all started.


   15. base ball chick Posted: October 08, 2021 at 03:16 PM (#6044843)
The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 08, 2021 at 01:19 PM (#6044798)

If the government was serious about masks, shouldn’t there have been an effort to make medical-grade masks available to the public by now? Sure, at the beginning of the pandemic medical masks were in short supply, but we’ve had more than 18 months to ramp up production and distribution.


- they massively increased production of the paper masks, which most people don't wear right anyhow, and the KN 95s. what is still hard to get and goes almost exclusively to HCW is the N-95s which are not cheap - best i understand, they don't want to waste making them because it is hard enough to get the general public to wear the paper ones

i really don't get the problem. the N-95s are a lot more comfortable and don't get soaked like the paper ones do. Except outside unless it is really cold like under 60

- in hindsight it was beyond stupid of them to say in the beginning for people to not wear masks. they KNEW it was a respiratory virus which means it is breathed out which is how you actually usually catch the dammmmed things in the first place. the obsessive hand washing is what is not real too helpful, and actually, the masks stop you from putting your dirty fingers on face or inside nose like folks do not just kidz. if they had said - yes they are super useful but we have a severe shortage and medical people need them or we won't have nobody left to treat the sick. So when we get more and we can't right now seeing as how there is no backup and they are made in China and we now hate China, we'll put them out there

Jacking up the price of the el-cheapos didn't help none neither

and you never realize how much you actually read lips to help you have a conversation with someone face 2 face
   16. The Duke Posted: October 09, 2021 at 12:21 AM (#6044946)
The mask mandate is a joke. It should have been targeted to the nursing home world and assorted other high risk areas like airplanes. Convincing people to run around with napkins over their mouths (and usually not their noses), is silly. Making children breathe through a mask 8 hours a day has to be incredibly dangerous.

The people who lead us are idiots, their advice transparently political and contradictory. The only godsend is that most people simply ignore them.
   17. Adam Starblind Posted: October 09, 2021 at 12:44 AM (#6044948)
So sayeth The Duke of Douche.
   18. baxter Posted: October 09, 2021 at 01:45 AM (#6044952)
7. Yes, I agree w/you sure should have. Medical grade should be available all over at no cost (taxpayer funded, yes).
The Kn95's cost about $2 apiece. Say you use 1 daily at work; that's over $500 a year, a significant sum. I would strongly prefer not to wear a mask, but it's a matter of risk aversion + consideration for others.
   19. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: October 09, 2021 at 02:25 AM (#6044954)
Masks are essentially useless.
The mask mandate is a joke
The emphasis seems to be solely on doing something highly visible even if the benefit is marginal.


Like I have said when I have been in COVID threads here, I have had numerous conversations with Biology profs, Paramedics, and Nurses at the college where I work, and they have also steered me to articles/research etc. on the virus. Almost all of them firmly support masking up, even if the cheap/non-medical ones are not awesome against fine particulates. Like with everything else on COVID, the goal is risk mitigation, not perfection. So the fact that the masks are not foolproof does not mean that they are useless. As is the case with most aspects of COVID, masking policy has been f'd up by misinformation and partisan politics.
   20. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: October 09, 2021 at 03:00 AM (#6044955)
Pretty much everything has been f'd up by misinformation and partisan politics.


Fixed.
   21. MuttsIdolCochrane Posted: October 09, 2021 at 05:40 AM (#6044958)
5 - Dummkoph 17 - true that (not that name-calling is either helpful or mature but our world is being screwed up by what we can call less than cerebral thinking - can't ignore the cause)
N-95s have been available continuously through Canopus. Best protection, re-washable, and comfortable.
https://www.canopusgroup.us
   22. Tony S Posted: October 09, 2021 at 06:36 AM (#6044959)
I got a stack of kn95s at Lowes the other day. Plenty in stock.

Got friends who teach in the neighboring county, with a strict masking policy for (still unvaxxed) kids. School year's been going for a month now. Very low caseloads.

Masks suck. Covid sucks more.
   23. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 09, 2021 at 09:23 AM (#6044962)
We have some N95 masks that we wore during periods of prolonged indoor exposure to other people — my wife had bought them and kept them in an emergency supply box years ago. For most normal daily stuff, like going to the grocery store or riding the bus for 15 minutes, I just wear a cloth mask.
   24. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 09, 2021 at 09:58 AM (#6044966)
I am realistic about the amount of protection that masks provide, but I think every marginal amount helps — and there’s no meaningful downside.

That being said, I don’t think there’s much point in wearing masks outside — certainly have no problem with people who do, and I won’t argue with places that require them.

   25. Ron J Posted: October 09, 2021 at 10:23 AM (#6044969)
#24 Outside and moving around. Outside and stuck in one place in a crowd and masks help. Oh they don't help you much but I think we're all agreed that my mask serves to protect you and vice versa.

I generally wear a mask outside anyhow. If I'm out these days it's because I'm heading some place that requires a mask and wearing it all the time makes sense to me.
   26. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 09, 2021 at 11:38 AM (#6044975)
The Kn95's cost about $2 apiece. Say you use 1 daily at work; that's over $500 a year,


No and No. You can get 10 legit KN 95 for $7.90 at the first place I pulled up (searched by brand), and there is no reason they cannot be reused.
   27. sunday silence (again) Posted: October 09, 2021 at 01:04 PM (#6044985)
If you look at graphs of the progress of cases of covid 19 in different states the number of cases sometimes goes up right after a mask mandate...


Like in 1915 when the British army converted to steel helmets head injuries increased! Stupid Limies.

If you look at graphs of the progress of cases of covid 19 in different states the number of cases sometimes goes up right after a mask mandate, sometimes stays the same, sometimes goes down. They're irrelevant.



Public health and clinical laboratories reported 2,038 flu cases during the season from Sept. 27, 2020, to April 24, 2021, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The agency estimated about 38 million people were sick with the flu during the 2019-2020 season.

Stop being a dipsheet.

   28. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: October 09, 2021 at 02:10 PM (#6044997)
Masks suck. Covid sucks more.

True that. Still have half of my box of 100 KN95's, looking to order more (wife's a teacher).
   29. DCA Posted: October 09, 2021 at 04:05 PM (#6045027)
The real problem with masks is not that they don't work (they do, not perfectly, but good enough). It's that the masks that protect you the most are the ones that OTHER PEOPLE are wearing (both around you and not around you). And too many people aren't wearing, or aren't properly wearing them.

If everyone wore the shittiest masks, but actually wore them, we'd be doing a lot better. Double masking (not two masks on you, but masks on both people) is extremely effective at reducing spread.
   30. The Duke Posted: October 09, 2021 at 04:10 PM (#6045029)
It’s amazing that even though we’ve had mask mandates in place for almost two years and that massive number of people have contracted Covid that people still thinks masks make a difference. The only argument anyone can make is that it would have been worse without them! We don’t know that - it’s just something people say to themselves and others to justify the mandate. Nearly everyone has either had it or been vaccinated or both which is the only reason why the positive rates are declining now. Masks didn’t prevent a thing. there’s nearly no one left to infect until a new version of Covid shows up, which it will. The numbers are 43 million positive tests and 215 million vaccinated at least once. How could it have been much worse?

So I guess what everyone is saying here is that since Covid will be like the flu, we should wear masks forever? Our kids should pollute their lungs forever. What’s the endgame - Covid isn’t going away ?

   31. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: October 09, 2021 at 04:49 PM (#6045033)
Clearly, someone here has caught on to the fact that BIG MASK has corrupted our body politic with its massive lobbying and influence peddling. I know I am in the pay of BIG MASK. Join me and you too can earn hundred$ each month spreading the lies that masks do exactly what basically every medical study claims they do.
   32. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: October 09, 2021 at 04:53 PM (#6045035)
Oh man, this one again?

1. Masks probably don't do very much, but there is evidence that they help reduce viral load and reduce the spread of Covid. Not like vaccines do, but somewhat, and therefore it's worth doing along as the cost of doing so is low

2. No matter how many people get vaccinated, there is an important difference between Covid and the flu - asymptomatic transmission. This is a good reason for being cautious about mask-wearing until the medical system is not at risk of overwhelm. Clearly, in many parts of the US (and other countries) we're not yet at that point

3. Masks were used to reduce flu transmission well before Covid was ever a thing as well as their use in medical scenarios. The idea that they don't work, or we don't know if they work, is desperate copium, as the kids are saying these days.
   33. Tony S Posted: October 09, 2021 at 05:46 PM (#6045040)
Binary thinking is... unproductive.
   34. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 09, 2021 at 05:55 PM (#6045044)
What's the alternative?

(kidding!)
   35. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: October 09, 2021 at 11:04 PM (#6045103)
What's the alternative?

(kidding!)
there are only 10 kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.
   36. Baldrick Posted: October 10, 2021 at 06:14 AM (#6045120)
There are FOUR different COVID threads in the hot topics. Please close at least three of them. Thanks!
   37. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: October 10, 2021 at 08:55 AM (#6045122)
Please close at least three of them.

PS: I am not a crackpot.
   38. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: October 10, 2021 at 09:06 PM (#6045198)
The Japanese have worn masks for years, when out in public while ill.
   39. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 10, 2021 at 09:19 PM (#6045214)
The Japanese have worn masks for years, when out in public while ill.
Yes, but the Japanese don't believe social obligation == slavery.

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