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Thursday, December 12, 2019

MLB Rumors: Angels Pursuing ‘Significant’ Starting Pitcher

Some examples of rumored goings-on with the Winter Meetings:

- The Angels are still reportedly planning to add a “significant” starting pitcher prior to the 2020 season and are pursing Madison Bumgarner, Hyun-jin Ryu, Dallas Keuchel or a trade for Jon Gray. (Jon Morosi, MLB Network)

- The Angels, after missing out on signing Gerrit Cole, have “expressed interest” in trading for Indians righthander Corey Kluber. A two-time Cy Young winner, Kluber is coming off an injury-filled 2019 season. Anthony Rendon remains the Angels’ priority, but they’re open to other options. (Fabian Ardaya, The Athletic)

- The Los Angeles Dodgers and Cleveland Indians continue to engage in “serious” trade discussions for All-Star shortstop Francisco Lindor. Cleveland is seeking a package from the Dodgers including top prospects Gavin Lux and Dustin May. (Bob Nightengale, USA Today)

- The Yankees are interested in free agent catcher Martin Maldonado. In 2019, Gerrit Cole posted a 1.57 ERA and .471 opponent OPS in 10 starts with Maldonado, his best with any Houston catcher last season. (Mark Feinsand, MLB Network)

This enough excitement for you, Sports Illustrated?

 

QLE Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:59 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: angels, brett gardner, corey kluber, francisco lindor, madison bumgarner, martin maldonado, rumors, winter meetings

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   1. DL from MN Posted: December 12, 2019 at 09:55 AM (#5908047)
If I had Simmons and Rendon as the left side of my infield I would be looking at Keuchel. Just keep throwing groundballs like Tudor in front of Ozzie Smith.
   2. PreservedFish Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:07 AM (#5908050)
Has anyone ever figured out how significantly you can leverage a great infield or outfield defense with extreme GB or FB pitchers?
   3. jmurph Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:12 AM (#5908052)
Porcello to the Metropolitans, apparently.
   4. Blastin Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:15 AM (#5908054)
Seems like we are in for a ton of NOTHING until the hall of fame votes after this crazy week.
   5. Zonk didn't order a hit on an ambassador Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:25 AM (#5908055)
This does seem to have been a particularly fast-moving offseason....
   6. Adam Starblind Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:31 AM (#5908057)
Porcello AND Wacha?!?!?! This is a banner offseason indeed!!
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5908060)
deGrom, Thor, Matz, Stroman, Wacha, Porcello

who says the Mets DON'T trade Thor now, maybe for a CF and/or bullpen help

#fastenyourseatbelts
   8. Greg Pope Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5908063)
Has anyone ever figured out how significantly you can leverage a great infield or outfield defense with extreme GB or FB pitchers?

I think part of the problem is that things can change rather quickly. Obviously the Angels have Rendon for a while now, but Simmons is only signed for next year. So you sign Keuchel to a 4 year deal, then Simmons leaves and what happens? Plus, who's to say how long Rendon will be an elite defender?
   9. cookiedabookie Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5908065)
who says the Mets DON'T trade Thor now, maybe for a CF and/or bullpen help

I feel like there may be a Red Sox/Mets trade that could work in theory. Mets get JBJ and Price, Red Sox get Thor. Whatever prospects/other players to round it out if necessary.
   10. Itchy Row Posted: December 12, 2019 at 10:56 AM (#5908066)
"Significant" can only mean Bartolo Colon.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:05 AM (#5908069)
I feel like there may be a Red Sox/Mets trade that could work in theory. Mets get JBJ and Price, Red Sox get Thor. Whatever prospects/other players to round it out if necessary.

That would be an absolutely disastrous (I mean Kazmir for Zambrano level) trade for the Mets, unless the Red Sox threw in multiple top prospects and cash. Price has huge negative value, and JBJ is worth ~0; he was a non-tender candidate.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5908073)
For Bradley Jr. and Price, I'd think the Mets would give up junk like Lowrie, Familia, maybe Matz, maybe Dominic Smith.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5908079)
For Bradley Jr. and Price, I'd think the Mets would give up junk like Lowrie, Familia, maybe Matz, maybe Dominic Smith.

Why would the Mets give up anything? Are you assuming the Red Sox are paying 60% of Price's deal?

Price + JBJ at their current salaries is worth less than nothing. No team would take the pair for free. Price would clear waivers.
   14. JAHV Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5908086)
I feel like there may be a Red Sox/Mets trade that could work in theory. Mets get JBJ and Price, Red Sox get Thor. Whatever prospects/other players to round it out if necessary.


I feel like the Red Sox would need to throw in Mookie Betts (at least) to make that deal work. Their farm system is garbage and that trade is hugely lopsided in the Red Sox favor.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5908092)
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/david-prices-trade-value/

Conveniently, Fangraphs has a post up on Price's trade value. They estimate he is worth -$60M.
   16. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5908100)
I feel like there may be a Yankees/Mets trade that could work in theory. Mets get Gardner and Tanaka, Yankees get Thor. Whatever prospects/other players to round it out if necessary.

   17. Adam Starblind Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5908105)
"Mets Pursuing Two Insignificant Pitchers"
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:44 AM (#5908109)
I feel like there may be a Yankees/Mets trade that could work in theory. Mets get Gardner and Tanaka, Yankees get Thor. Whatever prospects/other players to round it out if necessary.

Ummmm, Gardner is a FA. Even barring that complete show-stopper, it's a horrible deal for the Mets, and would leave the Yankees w/o a CF.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:48 AM (#5908111)
He just agreed to a deal with the Yankees. He as 10/5 rights.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5908116)
He just agreed to a deal with the Yankees. He as 10/5 rights.

Great news! He will never waive those rights, and he's the starting CF, so the point is moot anyway.
   21. PreservedFish Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5908117)
I'm hoping that Howie was joking, but I don't think that the Michael Wacha signing is going to push Syndergaard off the team.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5908120)
I'm hoping that Howie was joking, but I don't think that the Michael Wacha signing is going to push Syndergaard off the team.

No way. The Mets are in win now mode. Why trade Syndergaard unless it's for a top-talent? The only real hole on OF is CF. What good young CF are available?
   23. asinwreck Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5908122)
I feel like there may be a Red Sox/Mets trade that could work in theory. Mets get JBJ and Price, Red Sox get Thor. Whatever prospects/other players to round it out if necessary.

Replace "Thor" with "Cano" and it makes sense for the Mets.
   24. PreservedFish Posted: December 12, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5908127)
Replace "Thor" with "Cano" and it makes sense for the Mets.


And for the Sox? They don't seem to have a 2B right now.
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:02 PM (#5908129)
If the Mets have money now (with insider trading boy), they should kick the tires on Betts. Synderaard and Cano for Betts and Price?

And then give Mookie the $400M.
   26. PreservedFish Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5908134)
Mookies do belong in Queens, per tradition.
   27. Blastin Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5908136)
I don't think the new owner's money comes into play for a while though.
   28. Blastin Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:17 PM (#5908140)
I feel like there may be a Yankees/Mets trade that could work in theory.


This sentence is true.

Mets get Gardner and Tanaka, Yankees get Thor.


Not this one.

   29. TJ Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:21 PM (#5908142)
If the Mets have money now (with insider trading boy), they should kick the tires on Betts. Synderaard and Cano for Betts and Price?


Intriguing idea, snapper- I don't do that if I am Boston, but might if the Mets add Dom Smith.
   30. billyshears Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5908145)
I was mentally playing around with the contours of a Cano/Price trade before the Wacha/Porcello signings. Even still, I suspect Price could provide pretty significant value out of the bullpen, though the money is real rich.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5908146)

Intriguing idea, snapper- I don't do that if I am Boston, but might if the Mets add Dom Smith.


If I thought I could extend Betts, I'd do that as the Mets. Offer him $400/12 with the deal contingent on the extension.

It's hard to imagine any player turning down $400M.
   32. alilisd Posted: December 12, 2019 at 02:35 PM (#5908225)
Has anyone ever figured out how significantly you can leverage a great infield or outfield defense with extreme GB or FB pitchers?


Earl Weaver figured it out with Jim Palmer
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 04:23 PM (#5908281)
And for the Sox? They don't seem to have a 2B right now.


Pedroia's supposedly ready to play, so that ought to cover them for five or six games, until he gets hurt again.

Or hell, maybe they could have Mookie move back onto the dirt for a year.
   34. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5908284)
Price for Wil Myers, even-up, who says no? Padres get a rotation upgrade, and the Sox save about $12M a year.
   35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5908286)
Price for Wil Myers, even-up, who says no? Padres get a rotation upgrade, and the Sox save about $12M a year.

Padres. I'm not even sure Price is going to pitch next year.
   36. Paul D(uda) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 05:49 PM (#5908316)
Is Price injured?
   37. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 12, 2019 at 08:19 PM (#5908342)
Is Price injured?

He pitched 4.2 IP after July 30.
   38. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 12, 2019 at 08:28 PM (#5908344)
As a Red Sox fan I approve of the trades proposed in both #9 and #12.

Pedroia's supposedly ready to play


And I'm going to make $42mil this week like Scott Boras......
   39. Paul D(uda) Posted: December 13, 2019 at 06:56 AM (#5908388)
(37) - that considerably reduces my interest in the Jays offering to take on his salary and taking a prospect to do so
   40. Walt Davis Posted: December 13, 2019 at 04:33 PM (#5908580)
And I'm going to make $42mil this week like Scott Boras......

Yeah, but only those funny-coloured Aussie "dollars."
   41. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: December 13, 2019 at 05:24 PM (#5908590)
Pedroia's supposedly ready to play


...Parcheesi? The horses? Willy Loman?

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