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MLB rumors: Red Sox hoping for All-Star Game return to Fenway Park in this year

The 1999 MLB All-Star Game at Fenway Park was an iconic event.

Not only did Boston Red Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez dazzle fans with an MVP performance, Major League Baseball honored its All-Century Team before the game, including a special moment featuring Boston legend Ted Williams.

Red Sox fans have been wanting another All-Star Game at Fenway Park for some time, and according to The Boston Globe’s Peter Abraham, the club is hoping to get one by the end of the next decade.

“The Sox are hoping to host the game in 2029 to mark the 30th anniversary of the last time,” Abraham writes. “But they’re flexible on the year.”

It’s rare that an article this short can hit on seemingly every reason why the sports fans of a certain city are so heavily disliked, but this one manages to do so- without intending to….

 

QLE Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:22 AM | 42 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: all star game, fenway park, red sox

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   1. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: May 13, 2019 at 06:39 AM (#5841413)
What's so heavily dis-likable about, "We hosted an All Star Game 20 years ago, and we'd like to do it again sometime"?
   2. Lyford Posted: May 13, 2019 at 07:17 AM (#5841417)
That excerpt doesn't do it justice.

Boston, despite being the best sports city in the nation...The Midsummer Classic always is one of the marquee sporting events of the summer, and the Fenway Park backdrop certainly would add a special element to the game.


As a long-time serious Boston sports fan, even I think it's obnoxious...
   3. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 13, 2019 at 09:10 AM (#5841423)
Forgetting the silly tone of the article, is Boston really "the best sports city in the nation"? Or is it just the city that's been fortunate enough to have all four of its major sports teams in semi-permanent contention?

   4. SoSH U at work Posted: May 13, 2019 at 09:58 AM (#5841434)
I don't like the city's chances.
   5. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 10:30 AM (#5841445)
Forgetting the silly tone of the article, is Boston really "the best sports city in the nation"? Or is it just the city that's been fortunate enough to have all four of its major sports teams in semi-permanent contention?


Isn't the success of the big four the reason it's the best sports city?
   6. PreservedFish Posted: May 13, 2019 at 10:39 AM (#5841450)
It's had the most professional success in recent memory, that's for sure. And has a lot of history. They have the marathon, which is something. It sounds like a strong claim. But I'd like to hear some more evidence though: have many excellent athletes grown up in Boston? Do they have great high school and college sporting scenes? Is it uniquely identified with some sports? Is there a unique and positive culture of fandom in Boston?
   7. Itchy Row Posted: May 13, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5841456)
They'll have to find a new icon to make an appearance like Ted Williams did in 1999. He was 80 at that game, and Bill Buckner turns 80 in 2029, so that's a natural fit.
   8. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5841465)
Forgetting the silly tone of the article, is Boston really "the best sports city in the nation"? Or is it just the city that's been fortunate enough to have all four of its major sports teams in semi-permanent contention?

Isn't the success of the big four the reason it's the best sports city?


That's how I'd figure it, but sometimes I get the idea that the claim's being made that Boston's the best sports city because of its fan base, which IMO is putting the cart before the horse.



   9. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5841481)
The Boston Beanpot hockey tournament (with BC, BU, Harvard, and Northeastern) is a unique and well-supported local tradition. The baseball one is also cool, but not so many people care. (And UMass-Amherst replaces BU, so it's slightly less Boston-y.) The annual Head of the Charles Regatta is a really big deal, and fairly unique among US cities. Boston might be the #1 sculling city in America!

Having lived in both Boston & Chicago -- my experience was that Red Sox fans in Boston were more obsessive fans of the baseball team than Cubs fans in Chicago were, if that makes sense. My experience was also that there are a lot more Bruins fans than Blackhawks fans, but that Blackhawks fans are the most single-minded people in the world. The Celtics will likely always be better supported than the Bulls, the Bears would be at least as huge as the Patriots if they would be good for any amount of time. Having Soldier Field in the middle of Chicago gives a special prominence to the various international soccer games or rugby matches or other random events that show up there. Between Soldier Field's location, the tourist draw that is Wrigley, and the ease of getting to Chicago from much of the middle of the US, there are a lot more visiting fans wandering around downtown than in most cities. You can always know who the Cubs are playing just by looking at the shirts worn by people walking up Michigan Avenue. That's cool.

There's a lot more interest in college sports in Chicago that in Boston, but it's mostly directed at Notre Dame or various Big Ten schools rather than some place in Chicagoland. BC sports are probably somewhat bigger than those at Northwestern or DePaul, but that's not much of an accomplishment. This is also hard to measure; Northwestern has more pro-visitor attendance than most places because 97% of the world's Big Ten alumni end up living in Chicago.

The Harvard-Yale football game is something of a big deal and sort of unique. Though of course only in Boston every other year. Chicago doesn't have an equivalent.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5841485)
My experience was also that there are a lot more Bruins fans than Blackhawks fans, but that Blackhawks fans are the most single-minded people in the world.
When were you in Chicago? The bandwagon is huge when the Blackhawks are good. They practically took over the city from 2013-15.
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: May 13, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5841491)
When were you in Chicago? The bandwagon is huge when the Blackhawks are good. They practically took over the city from 2013-15.


That's my impression. Hell, they were just waiting for old man Wirtz to keel over and they were ready to jump back on.

   12. PreservedFish Posted: May 13, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5841493)
I grew up in NYC but I would not call it the best sports city. Having two teams in each sport puts a damper on the civic insanity that can result from a deep playoff run - NYC will never be as obsessed with any single football team the way that Washington or Philadelphia will be, for instance, to say nothing of the midwestern cities, and it seems like it's ultimately a suburban sport anyway, which befits other cities better. College sports are weak. Yankees fans believe they have a special destiny, which I'm sure feels pretty cool if you're a Yankee fan in Yankee Stadium when the Yankees are winning, but the attitude is basically nauseating to other people. The US Open tennis tourney is a special and exciting time for the city, although it's kind of just a scene for the 1%. NYC is almost an unparalleled basketball town, and if the Knicks were actually good, I think the city would embrace the team in a really special way, but that seems almost unimaginable now, and as such the fate of NYC as basketball mecca will remain unfulfilled. They have the marathon and some other cool events, like the Millrose Games, big boxing bouts at MSG, the Belmont Stakes, they had the original NY Cosmos and now two MLS teams, and the place is big enough to add two MiLB teams, and wonderful history of all of the above, so all in all it's a tremendous place to be a sports fan, but it's also so big and diverse and cosmopolitan that the city can barely coalesce around any one thing at a time.
   13. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 13, 2019 at 12:12 PM (#5841499)
The thing is that a great fan base can go cold, and vice versa. It's happened way too many times to remember them all, but just to take one example:

Back during the Gibbs I era, there was no bigger HFA than RFK Stadium, a fact attested to by both the Redskins and their opposing players. The stadium literally shook whenever the Skins were on a scoring drive or the defense was being called upon to make a stop.

But now the HFA is with whatever opposing team happens to be beating the Deadskins in FedEx, which like Tropicana Field and Oakland Coliseum has dramatically cut down on its seating capacity in order to mask the drop in attendance. Washington's gone from a Red Sox level of intensity to something more like Jacksonville or the LA Chargers.

   14. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 13, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5841514)
When were you in Chicago? The bandwagon is huge when the Blackhawks are good. They practically took over the city from 2013-15.
I was there during that whole run and also a long period before. I also lived on the South Side, which is not hockey central, and that might have given me the wrong impression of things.
   15. SandyRiver Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5841540)
NYC will never be as obsessed with any single football team the way that Washington or Philadelphia will be, for instance, to say nothing of the midwestern cities, and it seems like it's ultimately a suburban sport anyway, which befits other cities better.

Maybe not, but it was real close during the Giants' run of good teams some 60 years ago (56-63.) Then came the crash into utter awfulness, 2-12 seasons, losing 72-41, Joe Pisarcik, then the Jets' rise, and even in the 2 Lombardi's Parcells era the fervor never approached that earlier time.

Some Boston fans have certainly earned the opprobrium, but IMO most have not. That opinion doesn't extend to the Boston media - it's telling that "seemingly every reason why the sports fans of a certain city are so heavily disliked" is a reaction to the latter.
   16. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 13, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5841553)
NYC will never be as obsessed with any single football team the way that Washington or Philadelphia will be, for instance, to say nothing of the midwestern cities, and it seems like it's ultimately a suburban sport anyway, which befits other cities better.

Maybe not, but it was real close during the Giants' run of good teams some 60 years ago (56-63.)

That's true for the Giants of the "Huff, Huff, Huff" era, but for NYC as a whole the high point was between Super Bowl III and the Knicks of 1969-70, which bracketed the Miracle Mets of '69. What made that stretch particularly intense was that for those three teams it was not only their first championship ever, but they'd all seemed to come out of virtually nowhere against what appeared to be impossible odds.

(Never mind what that same stretch was like for Baltimore fans, but that's another story.)
   17. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 13, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5841584)
Boston is clearly the worst sports city in the world.
   18. catomi01 Posted: May 13, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5841586)
I grew up in NYC but I would not call it the best sports city...


You left out the part that puts NYC over the top - the annual BBTF Softball Game.
   19. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:31 PM (#5841641)
Boston is a no-doubt top tier sports city, even with its weakness in college basketball and college football. But a big part of that is due to the amount of trophies the local clubs have piled up. I can't think of any city that has as much sustained success in multiple sports, especially recent sustained success. All four of the major pro teams has reached at least their conference finals/league championship series in the past 365 days, and Boston could match old Detroit for holding three titles at once if the Bruins can win the Cup.

As fans we can be entitled dicks, but I don't think many other places would actually comport themselves in a significantly less annoying manner if they went on the same run the Boston area's had in the last 20ish years.* Like, just think of how smug Cowboys fans were for a generation after just 3 Super Bowl wins in 20 years.

*Since mid-2001 (18 seasons):
Bruins 1 title, 2 (and fingers crossed for 3) Stanley Cup Finals appearances, 13 playoffs appearances
Celtics- 1 title, 2 Finals appearances, 15 playoff appearances
Red Sox- 4 titles, 4 World Series appearances, 10 playoff appearances
Patriots- 6 titles, 9 Superbowls, 16 playoff appearances.
   20. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:39 PM (#5841647)
even with its weakness in college basketball and college football
Which is more than offset by its dominance in college chess/quiz bowl/rowing/sailing, I would assume.
   21. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:45 PM (#5841651)
MIT and Harvard aren't actually that great at chess these days. They're definitely no UMBC.
   22. Hysterical & Useless Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:48 PM (#5841655)
You left out the part that puts NYC over the top - the annual BBTF Softball Game.

Scheduled for August 10 this year. Come out and have the Greatest Day EVAH!!
   23. SandyRiver Posted: May 13, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5841656)
(Never mind what that same stretch was like for Baltimore fans, but that's another story.)

Maybe it's a good thing Baltimore didn't have an NHL team. (Couldn't resist - sorry)
Though the Rangers failed to make it past the 1st round in both 69 and 70. As a (than) Rangers fan, 1970 was excruciating (if my memory is correct.) I think that was the year they were tied with Boston 2-2, ahead 2-1 midway 3rd period in Boston Garden, when Phil Esposito took a 5-minute major, where the player stays in the box no matter how many goals his team allows. Then Bobby Orr played keep-away for about 90% of the penalty, the Rangers never got a shot on goal, Boston scored twice to win and then beat the disheartened Rangers in NY to clinch.
   24. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 13, 2019 at 05:17 PM (#5841668)
For college sports -- there's an annual award called the Director's Cup given to the university that's performed the best across all sports. UNC won the first one, in 1993/1994, and Stanford has won every year since. If they can fit under the SF Bay area, that counts for something (even if there isn't an NHL team there). Among major metro area schools, UCLA generally does very well in this, and USC has finished in the top 10 a bunch of times. Michigan has been successful too, if you are willing to call them Detroit.

The Director's Cup is at least in part a measure of how many sports a school is willing to throw resources at, rather than its success in the marquee events -- it's not clear how much Stanford's success in water polo contributes to the sporting atmosphere of metro-San Francisco. But it's at least something to consider.
   25. Jay Seaver Posted: May 13, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5841671)
Boston is a no-doubt top tier sports city, even with its weakness in college basketball and college football.


Honestly, one of the best things about Boston as a sports city is big-time college sports being a complete non-factor. You can enjoy local events like the Beanpot(s) and Harvard-Yale game without having to feel gross about the NCAA.
   26. villageidiom Posted: May 13, 2019 at 05:27 PM (#5841674)
I don't consider MLS to be a major sport, but for those who do the Revolution have also been pretty good, with 5 MLS Cup appearances (though 0 victories) in the same span as Scott's list in #19. Four of the 5 appearances went into extra time, and 1 of those 4 was decided on penalty kicks.
   27. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 13, 2019 at 05:37 PM (#5841681)
Stanford has won every year since. If they can fit under the SF Bay area, that counts for something (even if there isn't an NHL team there).

??? Did the San Jose Sharks relocate while playing in their Conference Championship series which is currently ongoing?
   28. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: May 13, 2019 at 06:54 PM (#5841708)
Boston, despite being the best sports city in the nation...The Midsummer Classic always is one of the marquee sporting events of the summer, and the Fenway Park backdrop certainly would add a special element to the game.


The first part of that....yeah I get why that's going to irk people but the last part is legit. Fenway (along with Wrigley) has an element of genuine history to it that very few (if any) major sports arenas in the US can boast. Lambeau seems to be the oldest continuously used professional sports arena in the US and Fenway and Wrigley are more than 4 decades older than that. Having it at Fenway would be a nifty thing.

Frankly if I was Czar of Baseball I would have made sure that 2012 and 2014 were given to Fenway and Wrigley for the 100th anniversaries of the respective parks. I don't think we'll ever see a stadium make 100 years again.
   29. snowles Posted: May 14, 2019 at 04:13 PM (#5841971)
26 years and counting now for the Jays to host another...

Will Tampa ever get one, or will it end up in Montreal?
   30. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 14, 2019 at 04:57 PM (#5841985)
Stanford's football attendance averages less than 40k per game. I don't see how the school brings big points to SF for great sports cities.
   31. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 14, 2019 at 07:02 PM (#5842021)
There is no reason Tampa should get one. They have a shitty stadium, and more importantly even after continued success they are always in or near the basement for attendance. Why would you celebrate that?
   32. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: May 14, 2019 at 07:31 PM (#5842029)
I don't think we'll ever see a stadium make 100 years again.

Considering that the Dodgers own the site and the nature of California politics I think there is a pretty good chance that Dodger Stadium makes it to 100.
   33. QLE Posted: May 14, 2019 at 08:37 PM (#5842057)
Considering that the Dodgers own the site and the nature of California politics I think there is a pretty good chance that Dodger Stadium makes it to 100.


Especially considering that both the Rose Bowl and Memorial Coliseum turn 100 in the next few years, and even the Forum is over 50 now (and expected to last for at least nine more years for use in the 2028 Summer Olympics)- the venues built in Los Angeles County have tended to be built to last.
   34. villageidiom Posted: May 14, 2019 at 09:09 PM (#5842089)
Considering that the Dodgers own the site and the nature of California politics I think there is a pretty good chance that Dodger Stadium makes it to 100.
I'd think an earthquake would be the only thing stopping it.
   35. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 14, 2019 at 10:28 PM (#5842134)
yeah, Chavez Ravine is gonna make 100 years. Which is good, one of the mid-century parks should survive as an exemplar of the style and Dodgers Stadium is actually pretty good.
   36. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: May 15, 2019 at 12:44 AM (#5842168)
Technically I’m correct because as a fat man I’m likely to die in the next 40 years so ha ha, who wins now?
   37. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: May 15, 2019 at 11:13 AM (#5842260)
Stanford's football attendance averages less than 40k per game. I don't see how the school brings big points to SF for great sports cities.
It all depends on what makes a great sports city. Stanford doesn't have great football attendance, but they've won 121 NCAA championships across all sports, which is the most of any school. (UCLA & USC have 117 and 107, respectively; the highest total for a non-California schools is Oklahoma State with 52, all men's, and 34 of them in wrestling.) Which is more important for determining what the best sports city is?

The answer to the question of "what's the best sports city" depends on what the question means more than anything also. It the criteria for determining the best sports city is Count the Rings! then it's probably Boston. If it's local support for the marquee sports than Stanford isn't helpful to SF. If it's broad local excellence then Stanford is immensely helpful to SF (but probably not as helpful as the combo of UCLA & USC is to LA).

I could see an argument that the best sports city is the one in which the highest percentage of adults take part in some sort of competitive athletic endeavor, in which case it's probably some place like Boulder, CO.
   38. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 15, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5842271)
Which is more important for determining what the best sports city is?


The most important criterion is: "Is it the city I grew up in?"
   39. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: May 15, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5842276)
The most important criterion is: "Is it the city I grew up in?"


Hot damn! So it IS Boston? That’s fantastic!
   40. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: May 15, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5842278)
Wait. Is “I” in that question meant to be asked by the reader or is it Tom’s home city. ####, maybe it’s not Boston after all but I don’t know where Tom is from. Damn these questions are complicated.
   41. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: May 15, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5842405)
It all depends on what makes a great sports city. Stanford doesn't have great football attendance, but they've won 121 NCAA championships across all sports, which is the most of any school. (UCLA & USC have 117 and 107, respectively; the highest total for a non-California schools is Oklahoma State with 52, all men's, and 34 of them in wrestling.) Which is more important for determining what the best sports city is?


99.99% of bay area citizens couldn't tell you any details about the 121 NCAA championships Stanford has won. Those titles do not help the SF claim for "sports city".


   42. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 15, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5842420)
It is meant to be asked by the reader, but I grew up in Chicago, which is objectively correct.

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