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Posted: August 27, 2021 at 09:23 AM | 12 comment(s)
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1. DarrenThe point of banning the sticky stuff is that they realized that they couldn't justify allow some foreign substances on the ball but not others. This way it prevents players who need the grip from having to choose between breaking the rules vs. not having the grip they need. The substances aren't the issue, it's making sure that players aren't forced into deciding whether to break the rules or not. If they could design the rules to allow some substances but not others, I think they would just do that, but obviously they haven't been able to accomplish that.
I don't understand this. If you "need the grip" to pitch at the major league level, that means you can't pitch at the major league level without cheating. Why do we need to accommodate these people? It's like allowing some players to use aluminum bats because they "need the power."
That's about 75% of my thinking, but I also figure MLB has to to work with the situation it has now, which is that pretty much everybody in the league has been using rosin & sunscreen at the very least for some time. The goal is a level playing field, and if a somewhat tackier ball achieves that without skewing the game better than heightened enforcement, then it's at least the most practical solution.
I agree. Also, you do get into a situation where if it is very humid or a light rain, then pitchers could lose control of the ball and there could be more HBP and injuries. It is very hard to take the substances out of the game, but also hard to leave them in the game. Let's be clear, MLB gets an awful lot of the easy stuff wrong, but this is not an easy problem to solve and pre-tacked balls is not an unreasonable solution.
I am very skeptical of this argument. WHy do people keep repeating this?
With the exception of 2007-2012 HBP has been increasingly continuously since 1985. It seems clear that gripping substances have been increasingly used during this period.
ANd Im guessing that sunscreen and rosin wasnt the reason keeping HBP at their lowest in the 1975-85 period. Even the rest of baseball history since 1900 those HBP numbers are lower than today.
Do you have any sort of response to this?
I remember facing a tough pitcher once, I was just overmatched. Don’t remember if I swung at or just took the first two pitches, but in any case I had no chance. Down 0-2. I was expecting my AB to end on the next pitch. The pitcher must have been thinking along the lines of “I’ve got him 0-2, now back him off the plate and then finish him on the outside corner.” But the 0-2 pitch was too far inside, grazed my forearm. As I walked to first it was hard to keep from laughing at the guy. He was in total control but just overcomplicated things.
I think we’ve got too many batters these days who share my views of the HBP.
Also hitters seem to be much more on top of the plate than ever before. Anecdote/sample size/etc... but look where Reggie is standing here and Harper here. It's not just the starting position but the diving over the plate that wasn't as much of a thing when I was a wee lad many many decades ago. The real interesting thing* is to note where each guys hands are on contact. Jackson's are way off the plate, Harper's are right over the inside edge of the batter's box.
Note these aren't meant to be proof, just examples of something I've noticed. I may well be wrong.
* the REAL interesting thing is that the Reggie video gives us a chance to watch Hrabosky do his thing. Holy hell Screamin' A. Smith would lose his mind.
In all those hundreds of games, I also never fouled a pitch off my foot, which was lucky since nobody wore foot guards back then. But when I was in my late 40's I chanced upon a batting range when my future wife and I were at Rehoboth Beach, and within the first 15 minutes I learned there was a first time for everything. I was hobbling around for a solid week, and it turned out to be the last pitch I ever swung at.
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