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Wednesday, February 20, 2019

MLB Set to Pass New Rules Designed to Crack Down on Sign Stealing

In addition to banning all in-house cameras from foul pole to foul pole, the rule provides that:

• The only live feed of a broadcast will be the one provided to each team’s designated replay official.

• A specially trained monitor, not a Resident Security Expect, will be assigned to each designated replay official to make sure that person has no communication with team personnel regarding signs, either in person, by phone or any other device.

• All other bullpen and clubhouse television monitors will receive game broadcasts on an eight-second delay.

• No television monitors are permitted in the tunnels or auxiliary rooms between the dugout and the clubhouse.

• Each club must provide to MLB an audit of every in-house camera, detailing its purpose, its wiring and where its signal can be viewed.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 20, 2019 at 11:05 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. I Knew A Guy Who Knew A Guy Who Knew Rey Ordonez Posted: February 20, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5816782)
• No television monitors are permitted in the tunnels or auxiliary rooms between the dugout and the clubhouse.


So is this the end of managers hunched over having a smoke in the tunnel after being ejected?
   2. What if I planted tomatoes Posted: February 20, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5816802)
So are individuals allowed to figure out signs and share with their team during a game? Meaning just using their baseball sharp brains not using devices
   3. Jay Seaver Posted: February 20, 2019 at 01:03 PM (#5816811)
How much of this could have been avoided by having replay handled by a fifth ump in the booth (or in NYC) just proactively monitoring things rather than making it a challenge system, like everybody outside of MLB figured would be the best system? Similarly, I bet enforcing the pace-of-play rules would cut down on this because there just wouldn't be enough time to relay information.

It's almost like bad systems create other problems.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 20, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5816815)
This brings up two questions:

1. Who cares about sign stealing?
2. No, really, who cares?
   5. oscar madisox Posted: February 20, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5816825)
   6. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: February 20, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5816828)
So are individuals allowed to figure out signs and share with their team during a game? Meaning just using their baseball sharp brains not using devices


It seems like this would still be OK.

1. Who cares about sign stealing?
2. No, really, who cares?


I do. Not to a dramatic degree or anything but for me the difference is between technology and non-technology when it comes to stealing signs. As a catcher it is pretty easy for me to hide the signs from the players on the field. If I can't take that reasonable effort that's on me. However, there is a limit as to what I can do when it comes to some guy hiding in the jumbotron with a super powered zoom lens.

Like I said, it's not something where I think teams/players should be getting hit with 100 game suspensions or anything but I don't like it.

I will add that I think it's part of the reason games are a bit longer. It's not a big part of it but the number of games that feature every single freakin' pitch having multiple signs with no one on base is because of this (and general paranoia that is silly in a lot of cases).
   7. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 20, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5816832)
Surely the teams care about it, which is why the rule is being passed.
   8. Bhaakon Posted: February 20, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5816867)
I like sign stealing, and the injection of technology into the process ruins good old fashion on-field gamesmanship. Harrumph.
   9. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 20, 2019 at 02:30 PM (#5816873)
Or they could just let the pitcher and catcher wear an ear bud, sort of like how QBs get the plays in the NFL.
   10. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: February 20, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5816890)
Or they could just let the pitcher and catcher wear an ear bud, sort of like how QBs get the plays in the NFL.


It's probably inevitable but...ugh. I hate it in football and I'd hate it in baseball. That confusion that comes from uncertainty is one of the things that I find interesting. How do you handle it when you get crossed up? What happens with a missed sign? I don't need that level of precision in my sports viewing experience.
   11. Rusty Priske Posted: February 20, 2019 at 03:15 PM (#5816891)
Players on the field stealing signs is a good thing.

The team using tech and people other than players to steal signs is a bad thing.
   12. SandyRiver Posted: February 20, 2019 at 03:47 PM (#5816902)
60 years ago Jim Brosnan was mocking all the secret-code aspect of the signs, opining that the only one with much value was the hit-and-run, and how often do teams do that nowadays? Even catchers' signs to the pitcher posed problems - a batter who's expecting a curve thanks to a stolen sign then gets a hummer one inch from his chin isn't likely to pay attention to any future sign stealing.
   13. . Posted: February 20, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5816906)
I care, because the threat of it slows down games.
   14. Sean Forman Posted: February 20, 2019 at 05:41 PM (#5816946)
The slowing down games is the only good reason to not allow it in my opinion.

I have many times on twitter offered to put teams in contact with my wife who is an algebraist and wrote a number theory textbook to help develop better codes, but no one has ever taken me up on that.
   15. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: February 20, 2019 at 05:53 PM (#5816950)
This brings up two questions:

1. Who cares about sign stealing?
2. No, really, who cares?


I care. It skirts the border of cheating and fair play, but it feels enough like cheating that I don't like it. A hitter should be forced to adjust to the pitch without knowing it ahead of time.
   16. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: February 20, 2019 at 05:54 PM (#5816951)
Players on the field stealing signs is a good thing.


I don't even think this is true. I don't like sign stealing (or any gamesmanship, really) at all.
   17. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: February 20, 2019 at 07:54 PM (#5816967)
Who cares about sign stealing?

It's about 174th on the list of things that most need to be addressed in baseball. The top two, as always, are:

1) Get in the damn box.
2) Throw the damn ball.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: February 20, 2019 at 11:28 PM (#5816988)
I have many times on twitter offered to put teams in contact with my wife who is an algebraist and wrote a number theory textbook to help develop better codes, but no one has ever taken me up on that.

Little known fact (probably for a reason): Steve Trachsel took so much time between pitches because he insisted his catchers use signs requiring him to solve a system of differential equations.
   19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 20, 2019 at 11:45 PM (#5816991)
I don't even think this is true. I don't like sign stealing (or any gamesmanship, really) at all.
Exactly. Win or lose games based on your ability to play baseball.
   20. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 20, 2019 at 11:47 PM (#5816992)
[18] Wow, I hope they were linear systems at least.
   21. Stevey Posted: February 21, 2019 at 08:41 AM (#5817014)
1. Who cares about sign stealing?
2. No, really, who cares?


The Indians and Red Sox did.

It seems like a case where the rules are lax, but then someone (the
Astros, in this case) always pushes things a little too far and ruins it for everyone.
   22. Rusty Priske Posted: February 21, 2019 at 10:01 AM (#5817031)

I don't even think this is true. I don't like sign stealing (or any gamesmanship, really) at all.


I don't see that as gamesmanship at all. It is part of the game. One team wants to do something without the other team knowing about it. The other teams wants to figure out what the first team is going to do before they do it.

It is no different than a pitcher tipping their pitches.
   23. CheersUnusualPlays Posted: February 21, 2019 at 04:15 PM (#5817180)
I didn't want to know what supposedly was coming - it was just one more piece of data to make you confused in the batter's box. But I didn't play at a major league level
   24. Hysterical & Useless Posted: February 21, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5817199)
Having a guy on second base who can figure out what pitch is coming from the signs the catcher is putting down is not cheating. Having a coach in the dugout who can figure out what pitch is coming based on the pitcher's grip on the ball, body language, etc, is not cheating. Information is there, and some people are very good at analyzing it. Most people aren't. Is it cheating for Warren Buffet to be better at reading corporate reports and figuring out what they really mean than I am?

I just wish that the people who run MLB would stop telling the public all the things that are wrong with baseball and actually fix the one thing that inargueably IS wrong with it, the abysmal pace of play.
   25. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: February 22, 2019 at 08:43 AM (#5817283)
I didn't want to know what supposedly was coming - it was just one more piece of data to make you confused in the batter's box. But I didn't play at a major league level


I seem to recall Manny Ramirez saying something similar. There certainly have been plenty of hitters over the years who didn't want that data.

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