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Wednesday, July 01, 2020

MLB teams can’t identify players who test positive for coronavirus

New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman and Chicago Cubs GM Jed Hoyer both said that, under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, teams are not allowed to divulge the name of any player who tests positive.

“The information I’ve been given is [the media] will be left to try to figure that out,” Cashman said during a conference call Tuesday afternoon. “Somebody might be down and out, but we might not be able to speak to why, and it would be a speculating circumstance [where] you would have to use your journalistic superpowers to determine if there’s anything there or not, what the circumstance might be.”

MLB also said Tuesday that a team will not specifically announce a COVID-19 injured list placement for a player who is removed from the club after testing positive, just an injured list trip.

The federal law restricting the release of medical information without a patient’s consent or knowledge means that only players can reveal their positive test status.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 01, 2020 at 02:53 PM | 48 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. catomi01 Posted: July 01, 2020 at 03:21 PM (#5960588)
So if a player goes on the IL and they don't say why it equals a 99 % chance of it being coronavirus since basically everything else is reported...ironclad protection of medical privacy there.
   2. Rally Posted: July 01, 2020 at 03:41 PM (#5960591)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. If they actually want to protect this information, they'll have to be silent on hamstring pulls, sprained ankles, and elbow injuries too.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 01, 2020 at 04:05 PM (#5960599)
Just say that everyone who goes on the IL is there because of explosive diarrhea or something.
   4. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: July 01, 2020 at 04:27 PM (#5960609)
Can’t they just say “the flu” like they do when a guy is hungover?
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: July 01, 2020 at 04:32 PM (#5960610)
By NHL convention: Upper body injury.
   6. Booey Posted: July 01, 2020 at 09:07 PM (#5960650)
Just say "Exhaustion" like they do whenever a singer has to cancel a tour date to enter rehab.
   7. Sunday silence: Play Guess How long season lasts Posted: July 01, 2020 at 09:12 PM (#5960651)
Can I ask an obvious question: why do these federal laws not prevent any sort of baseball injury from being publicized? not sure I get that, but Im sure there's a reason.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 01, 2020 at 09:27 PM (#5960655)
Just say "Exhaustion" like they do whenever a singer has to cancel a tour date to enter rehab.
Exhaustion from the explosive diarrhea.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 01, 2020 at 09:29 PM (#5960656)

Can I ask an obvious question: why do these federal laws not prevent any sort of baseball injury from being publicized? not sure I get that, but Im sure there's a reason.


Apparently it's collectively bargained.
   10. Sunday silence: Play Guess How long season lasts Posted: July 02, 2020 at 06:11 AM (#5960666)
I appreciate your research, but does that even make sense? I mean they collectively bargained away whatever HIPPA makes private. Right? So Corona virus comes along and:

under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, teams are not allowed to divulge the name of any player who tests positive.


Umm...but wasn't that already collectively bargained away?
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 02, 2020 at 08:15 AM (#5960668)
Umm...but wasn't that already collectively bargained away?
The CBA waiver may only cover employment-related injuries:
In a statement issued Wednesday, the league said (via Marly Rivera of ESPN): “Because COVID-19 is not considered an employment-related injury, we will respect the privacy of the players who test positive or who are under evaluation, and we will defer to their wishes regarding public updates about their status. Without their voluntary permission, we will not disclose any COVID-19 related information.”
   12. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 02, 2020 at 10:01 AM (#5960676)
But we routinely hear about non-job related issues all the time. Rizzo and Lester's cancer. Washing a truck. Carrying deer meat up a flight of stairs. Broken rib due to sneezing.
   13. puck Posted: July 02, 2020 at 10:36 AM (#5960683)
You've probably seen on news sites that 9 players and a coach on an MLS team (FC Dallas) have tested positive. The MLS tournament starts July 8 in Orlando. It's one of the bubble deals. 3 players tested positive before the team left, and supposedly everyone was tested before flying to Orlando from the Dallas area. 6 players and a coach have tested positive since arriving.

I haven't seen if they flew a charter or what. MLS is low budget compared to the big 4 sports but they do fly charters some of the time in normal seasons.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 02, 2020 at 10:50 AM (#5960688)

But we routinely hear about non-job related issues all the time. Rizzo and Lester's cancer. Washing a truck. Carrying deer meat up a flight of stairs. Broken rib due to sneezing.


Reporters are not subject to HIPAA.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 02, 2020 at 10:53 AM (#5960691)
But we routinely hear about non-job related issues all the time. Rizzo and Lester's cancer. Washing a truck. Carrying deer meat up a flight of stairs. Broken rib due to sneezing.


I would guess that in most of these cases, the player has assented to allowing the team to publicize the situation. When Lester was diagnosed, he held a press conference to discuss his treatment. (Of course, the players may also not be fully aware that they have the right not to talk about these things, or to have them disclosed.)

In other cases, it's reporters who are finding these things out. The Rockies originally reported simply that Clint Barmes was put on the DL for a broken collarbone, and it wasn't until a few days later that the deer meat story came out.

I looked back at the story from a week or so ago reporting that Charlie Blackmon and two other Rockies had been diagnosed with COVID-19. No one sourced that material as coming from the Rockies organization; it was simply "sources." I think we can expect that it won't be the teams that are officially releasing such information, but that it will come out eventually nevertheless.
   16. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 02, 2020 at 11:03 AM (#5960692)
The Phillies have placed Scott Kingery, Hector Neris, Tommy Hunter, Ranger Suarez on the 10 Day IL with undisclosed injuries. Not hard to piece it together.
   17. Karl from NY Posted: July 02, 2020 at 03:12 PM (#5960747)
HIPAA is stupid and needs fixing to deal with the coronavirus situation. The purpose of HIPAA is to keep private medical information that would carry a stigma - things like HIV and other STDs, mental health conditions, drug treatment and rehab. There is no stigma attached to the coronavirus, and quite arguably the public's need to know about a contagious infection outweighs privacy concerns.
   18. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 02, 2020 at 03:33 PM (#5960749)
There is no stigma attached to the coronavirus,


You haven't been paying attention. If people knew that the guy in 13B tested positive, he would be harassed to move out and go quarantine elsewhere.

Look at how many idiots harass people simply because they look Chinese for chrissakes.
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 02, 2020 at 03:38 PM (#5960753)
FWIW, I believe there was an exception made to HIPAA for information to be disclosed to public health officials for COVID.
   20. PreservedFish Posted: July 02, 2020 at 03:49 PM (#5960759)
Cashman's quote in the excerpt is amusing. "You would have to use your journalistic superpowers."
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 02, 2020 at 03:52 PM (#5960761)
A) HIPAA isn't just for things that have a "stigma". Also it's hard to know what has a "stigma" and what doesn't. Maybe I don't want my boss to know I have a herniated disc in my back because then he will think I'll be in a wheelchair in a year or two and he thinks that will be a hassle.

B) Not many things have MORE of a "stigma" than being infected with the deadly virus everyone spends all day worrying about. The infected person might not be morally judged like someone with AIDS or a mental illness but he can be treated as a pariah nonetheless.

FWIW, I believe there was an exception made to HIPAA for information to be disclosed to public health officials for COVID.

This is the case for a lot of infections. They're called "notifiable conditions". Public health authorities are seen as having a legitimate interest in knowing about all cases of certain diseases. Here's the list for the State of Washington. Each one needs to be reported by filling out a form. Otherwise we wouldn't have statistics about them.
   22. Sunday silence: Play Guess How long season lasts Posted: July 03, 2020 at 07:09 PM (#5960915)
YOu can add Yordan Alvarez to the list of unnamed Covid related list. Per a Dusty Baker tweet.
   23. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 03, 2020 at 08:17 PM (#5960920)
   24. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 03, 2020 at 09:27 PM (#5960933)
Delfino Deshields is positive.
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 04, 2020 at 09:52 AM (#5960966)
Jose Martinez, Yonny Chirinos, Willians Astudillo, Nick Gordon positive
   26. PreservedFish Posted: July 04, 2020 at 10:13 AM (#5960973)
Willians Astudillo is probably as yet the most important human to contract COVID, or at least the most important since Tormund Giantsbane.
   27. Sunday silence: Play Guess How long season lasts Posted: July 04, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5960993)
Still time to play the Guess How Long Season Lasts game. ...
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 04, 2020 at 12:47 PM (#5961005)
Freddie Freeman, Will Smith, Touki Toussaint and Pete Kozma test positive. Freeman has a fever.
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 04, 2020 at 02:05 PM (#5961016)
Salvador Perez, Miguel Sano, Josh Taylor, Darwinson Hernandez all positive.
   30. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 04, 2020 at 02:31 PM (#5961017)
Still time to play the Guess How Long Season Lasts game. ...


Honestly, there isn't a number for which I would put real money down on the over.

But following up on that, what would trigger an immediate shutdown? We've obviously moved past where we were in March when a single positive test to an NBA player basically shut down all sports within two days. Would it just take one active player being hospitalized? Would the severity matter - i.e., hospitalized is okay, ICU shuts it all down? Would the player matter - if Freddie Freeman's hospitalized it all shuts down, but we can all go about our business if it's "only" Pete Kozma? Or would it depend on the outside situation - 1,000 deaths in a week shuts everything down; 800 deaths we try to move on even if one of the 800 is Kozma?

I'm a little torn. This is a serious thing; it's a big deal; they probably shouldn't be playing baseball. But that said, these guys are healthy and under 40 years old, so while it's glib to say, it's probably also true that the vast majority of the guys named above will be fine on the other end of this. If it were up to me, I'd probably shut it down right now. But it's not up to me (and shouldn't be up to me, honestly) and I'm curious what folks think would trigger such a reaction.
   31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 04, 2020 at 02:45 PM (#5961020)
Ricardo Sanchez and Genesis Cabrera
   32. Gch Posted: July 04, 2020 at 02:46 PM (#5961021)
I'm a little torn. This is a serious thing; it's a big deal; they probably shouldn't be playing baseball. But that said, these guys are healthy and under 40 years old, so while it's glib to say, it's probably also true that the vast majority of the guys named above will be fine on the other end of this. If it were up to me, I'd probably shut it down right now. But it's not up to me (and shouldn't be up to me, honestly) and I'm curious what folks think would trigger such a reaction.


If baseball was just players, that'd be one thing, but there's a lot of coaches, umpires, support staff, stadium personnel, and people in the outside world that those people come in contact with that are at a higher risk for consequences if they're exposed. Maybe this is overly cautious but I'd rather not have a coach/umpire/unfortunate non-MLB person die because the Padres and Rockies played a relatively meaningless game in August.
   33. base ball chick Posted: July 04, 2020 at 02:55 PM (#5961023)
Kiko (and others)

yall should watch this

they need to show 20 something obviously Caucasian 20 something year olds who are deathly sick or haven't revovered to anywhers near normal, so as maybe some of the anti maskers, trumpers and younger folks will wise their asses before i go all ham on em. yo9u notice that only ONE of those guys had a fever or any symptoms

and reading all the guys listed in the previous comments, i notice that only 4 of em are Caucasian. still too many of em think this is a POC's disease. that and the very old or already sick.
   34. Jack Sommers Posted: July 04, 2020 at 04:12 PM (#5961036)
Freeman tested negative on in take on Monday, fell ill Tuesday and then tested positive.

This is ridiculous.

SHUT. IT. DOWN.
   35. Jack Sommers Posted: July 04, 2020 at 05:31 PM (#5961048)
David Price opted out.
   36. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 04, 2020 at 05:51 PM (#5961049)
Jose Urquidy
   37. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 04, 2020 at 06:07 PM (#5961050)
33 -- yep; linked it yesterday in another thread. Gruesome.
   38. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: July 04, 2020 at 06:34 PM (#5961052)
Todd Zolecki @ToddZolecki
Aaron Nola, Adam Haseley and Christian Bethancourt are not in camp yet. #Phillies cannot give an explanation why.
   39. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 04, 2020 at 07:58 PM (#5961062)
MLB teams can’t identify players who test positive for coronavirus


Most of them will be wearing shirts with their names written on the back, as well as a unique identifying number. Maybe that would help narrow it down?
   40. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: July 04, 2020 at 08:02 PM (#5961064)
If baseball was just players, that'd be one thing, but there's a lot of coaches, umpires, support staff, stadium personnel, and people in the outside world that those people come in contact with that are at a higher risk for consequences if they're exposed. Maybe this is overly cautious but I'd rather not have a coach/umpire/unfortunate non-MLB person die because the Padres and Rockies played a relatively meaningless game in August.

And there may be a lot of coaches, umpires, support staff, stadium personnel whose livelihoods depend on these so-called meaningless games being played. We're past the point of only "essential" businesses operating. If some semblance of a season can be played with appropriate precautions, I don't think it is ridiculous to try. Of course there is risk involved but it seems possible to play baseball games without that risk being inordinate. They're not all going to remain in seclusion for the next two years if there are no games.

Maybe I am sorely mistaken.
   41. Howie Menckel Posted: July 04, 2020 at 08:23 PM (#5961069)
no doubt this "positives" list already is outdated, but it is one that I have seen:

Freddie Freeman, Atlanta
Miguel Sano, Minnesota
Charlie Blackmon, Colorado
Hector Neris, Philadelphia
Salvador Perez, Kansas City
Mike Kingery, Philadelphia
Tommy Pham, San Diego
Will Smith, Atlanta
Williams Astudillo, Minnesota
Touki Toussaint, Atlanta
Tommy Hunter, Philadelphia
Ryan Castellani, Colorado
Genesis Cabrera, St. Louis
Darwinzon Hernandez, Boston
Ranger Suarez, Philadelphia
Josh Taylor, Boston
Pete Kozma, Atlanta
Luis Madero, San Francisco
Aaron Nola, Philadelphia
D J LeMahieu, Yankees
Luis Cessa, Yankees
Adam Haseley, Philadelphia
Cristian Bethancourt, Philadelphia
   42. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: July 04, 2020 at 08:26 PM (#5961071)
Mike Kingery, Philadelphia
who?
   43. Ron J Posted: July 04, 2020 at 09:07 PM (#5961082)
#42 Comeback attempt thwarted by virus.
   44. Lassus Posted: July 05, 2020 at 12:30 AM (#5961117)
There is no stigma attached to the coronavirus

Karl, oy.
   45. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 05, 2020 at 02:06 AM (#5961125)
Aaron Nola, Philadelphia


It has been reported that Nola hasn’t tested positive, but is being held out because of the protocols, meaning that he may have showed symptoms and/or been in contact with someone who tested positive.
   46. bunyon Posted: July 05, 2020 at 08:19 AM (#5961135)
Freddie Freeman

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/05/freddie-freeman-is-sick-with-covid-19/
   47. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 05, 2020 at 09:28 AM (#5961137)

#42 Comeback attempt thwarted by virus.


Felix Hernandez has opted out of this year.
   48. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 05, 2020 at 11:54 AM (#5961149)
Has anyone opted him in?

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