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Tuesday, December 10, 2019

MLB to stop testing minor leaguers for marijuana as part of new drug agreement, report says

MLB and the MLB Players Association are negotiating changes to the drug agreement that would introduce opioid testing. As part of the new drug agreement, MLB would also remove marijuana from the league’s list of banned substances for minor-league players, according to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal. Players on the 40-man roster are not tested for marijuana, but non-40-man roster minor leaguers are, and several are suspended for marijuana use each season. There were 13 such suspensions in 2019.

Under the current drug agreement non-40-man roster minor leaguers are suspended 25 games for their first positive test for a “drug of abuse,” 50 games for a second positive test, 100 games for a third positive test, and are banned for life for a fourth positive test. Former Brewers reliever Jeremy Jeffress is among the notable players suspended three times for marijuana use in the minors.

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   1. salvomania Posted: December 10, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5907472)
Press conference scheduled for 4:20.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 10, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5907473)
Jon Singleton announces comeback bid to begin right after Taco Bell run
   3. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5907477)
Have we had a good cannabis thread? My state legalized the stuff but has yet allow any stores to sell it over the counter to the general public. Should be coming soon though. I have only partaken very rarely in the last decade, and never really had the energy or enthusiasm to buy my own stash, but I do enjoy the stuff, and am hoping the advances in THC technology (vaporizers, edibles with more precise dosing, etc) make it easier to consume and enjoy.
   4. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 10, 2019 at 01:31 PM (#5907481)
This is a great step by the MLBPA.

Marijuana is better for the masses than alcohol.
   5. Zonk didn't order a hit on an ambassador Posted: December 10, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5907496)
Have we had a good cannabis thread? My state legalized the stuff but has yet allow any stores to sell it over the counter to the general public. Should be coming soon though. I have only partaken very rarely in the last decade, and never really had the energy or enthusiasm to buy my own stash, but I do enjoy the stuff, and am hoping the advances in THC technology (vaporizers, edibles with more precise dosing, etc) make it easier to consume and enjoy.


What state?

IMHO, I've got little use for vapes and edibles (especially edibles)... I prefer to just stick with a top shelf 1/4 of sativa and a top shelf 1/4 of indica; usually using the shopkeeps recommendation... That will generally last me 8-12 months.
   6. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5907504)
Maine

I just don't really want to smoke in my home. Would rather pop some magic gummy bears at like 7pm and know I'll start feeling it soon after the kids fall asleep.
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 10, 2019 at 02:15 PM (#5907510)
Would rather pop some magic gummy bears at like 7pm and know I'll start feeling it soon after the kids fall asleep.
From what I hear, it seems like that may be overly optimistic in terms of cooperation from kids. Would your kids refusing to sleep be all the more annoying because you're trying to enjoy your buzz, or would the buzz make it easier to deal with?
   8. RoyalFlush Posted: December 10, 2019 at 02:17 PM (#5907511)
It's still tough out here in middle America. KC has decriminalized it, and Missouri is going medicinal in 2020. But I still have to go to Illinois or Colorado to buy legal, recreational MJ. I really don't have much of an interest in going through the motions/cost of the Dr appointment and MJ card when black market is just as easy (and maybe more cost effective - we'll see).
   9. Zonk didn't order a hit on an ambassador Posted: December 10, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5907516)
It's still tough out here in middle America. KC has decriminalized it, and Missouri is going medicinal in 2020. But I still have to go to Illinois or Colorado to buy legal, recreational MJ. I really don't have much of an interest in going through the motions/cost of the Dr appointment and MJ card when black market is just as easy (and maybe more cost effective - we'll see).


One of the reasons beyond partaking that I didn't understand why fiscally shaky Illinois didn't jump on the bandwagon sooner...

BITD when the OTP was about lots of different things - I was originally skeptical that there would be much revenue in it for Colorado. Just didn't think that, even if you essentially doubled the price with taxation, you'd see all that much in sin tax money.... but the numbers are the numbers and even accounting for various licensing and enforcement, it's been a nice penny (more than 1b in revenue, almost 1b after you account for costs).
   10. salvomania Posted: December 10, 2019 at 02:52 PM (#5907522)
It took Massachusetts a looooong time (more than 2 years) to finally get the retail end going after it was approved by statewide referendum, and still there's only two Greater Boston locations---one of which is appointment-only---out of a few dozen statewide (most of them in smaller or more rural locales 1-3 hours' drive from Boston).

There's still something weird about walking into a storefront, showing an ID, plopping down some cash, and getting a package of branded weed, with all the chemical statistics printed on a label on the front. Even weirder is seeing the everyday cross section of humanity---young, old, black, brown, white, male, female, in hoodies and sneakers and suits and ties---lining up to get their weed.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5907526)
Would your kids refusing to sleep be all the more annoying because you're trying to enjoy your buzz, or would the buzz make it easier to deal with?


Perfect opportunity to shepherd them on a family-friendly psychedelic journey.
   12. bfan Posted: December 10, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5907531)
Jon Singleton announces comeback bid to begin right after Taco Bell run


That would be a Taco Bell walk for Jon Singleton.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 10, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5907532)
That would be a Taco Bell walk for Jon Singleton.
He already forgot about Taco Bell. Maybe after this game of Mario Kart.
   14. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: December 10, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5907533)
Not that one would expect anything different in Alabama, but while I was eating lunch a couple of weeks ago some guy at the next table started bloviating to a friend about how pushing to legalize marijuana was yet another example of the sheer wickedness of liberals, especially when it came to endangering the purity of the state's & nation's youth. (The friend was having none of it. In Alabama terms, he's obviously a card-carrying Bolshevik.)

A couple of minutes later, he was rhapsodizing about the wonders of this or that bourbon or whiskey or whatever.
   15. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: December 10, 2019 at 03:27 PM (#5907537)
No interest in cooking with it, PF? It's easy. I have a big jar of homemade cannabutter in my fridge right now. Got a nice buzz off some broccoli yesterday.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: December 10, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5907538)
I'm not averse to it, Dog. I'm down with the secret enchanted broccoli forest.
   17. asinwreck Posted: December 10, 2019 at 03:40 PM (#5907539)

That would be a Taco Bell walk for Jon Singleton.

Even at his best, he was more likely to strike out.
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 10, 2019 at 04:04 PM (#5907552)

#9 there were some articles earlier this year to the effect that California had seen a lot less in revenue than expected last year. Not sure whether that was just a first-year hiccup but it basically seemed like CA had made it difficult/expensive enough to buy legally, that most people were still buying it from their illegal dealer, who hadn't just gone away with the changes in law.
   19. For the Turnstiles (andeux) Posted: December 10, 2019 at 04:22 PM (#5907560)
Would rather pop some magic gummy bears at like 7pm and know I'll start feeling it soon after the kids fall asleep.

Even with (quasi-)legal edibles with controlled dosages, the timing and intensity of effects can vary quite a bit depending e.g. on how recently you have eaten other food.
   20. Zonk didn't order a hit on an ambassador Posted: December 10, 2019 at 05:15 PM (#5907593)
#9 there were some articles earlier this year to the effect that California had seen a lot less in revenue than expected last year. Not sure whether that was just a first-year hiccup but it basically seemed like CA had made it difficult/expensive enough to buy legally, that most people were still buying it from their illegal dealer, who hadn't just gone away with the changes in law.


Yeah - I saw that.... Without looking it up - I *think* the year 1 budgetary projections were about 350 million in revenue and the reality looks like it's going to be closer to ~290 million. Admittedly, haven't followed the CA news on such closely (FWIW, some investment type friends were trying to convince me to go in on an east coast operation -- not day trader types, but a guy that works for a legitimate hedge fund, etc -- so I've been trying to wrap my head around the numbers) - but my *guess* is that this is probably a matter of a couple things:

#1 - When it comes to budget estimates at the state level - I tend to suspect that such estimates are always high-side misses... if only because it makes budgets look better if you overstate revenue projections.

#2 - I'd further guess that they probably figured "Well, Colorado (and Washington) worked out the kinks, so we're golden!" That's kind of silly - I imagine each state is going to have its own kinks to work out.

...and, of course, the reason you note -- it's not like Cheech with a greenhouse in his barn is going to suddenly decide to just go through the cost and and work to go legit until the risk/reward looks right.
   21. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 10, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5907604)
I'd further guess that they probably figured "Well, Colorado (and Washington) worked out the kinks, so we're golden!" That's kind of silly - I imagine each state is going to have its own kinks to work out.
It'll be easier in states w/o an existing cannabis (sub)culture and businesses.

In California, the state has yet to figure out how to bring into the legal market those who have been operating in the shadows for years, if not decades.

But in Oklahoma - home to Merle Haggard's Muskogee - they've done a terrific job of creating the infrastructure and government support for MMJ, and it was made all the easier by working from scratch. (One of OK's great ideas was to declare no caps on licenses of any kind: patient, dispensary, cultivator, whatever. You pass the background checks and correctly fill out your paperwork, then welcome to the cannabis industry!)
   22. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: December 10, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5907605)
I get my illegal weed in NY for 2/3 what I pay for legal stuff in NV. Same quality too, if not the same endless selection. I don't see the black market vanishing any time soon.
   23. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: December 10, 2019 at 06:10 PM (#5907606)
Another problem in California was allowing local control from the jump - only to have the counties and municipalities treat cannabis not like alcohol, but like plutonium.
   24. Bote Man Posted: December 10, 2019 at 07:17 PM (#5907612)
I've never inhaled, they say it makes you go blind and grows hair on your hands. (I think I have that right.)

Early on there were some nastygrams and even outright arson of newly legit MJ shops presumably from the entrenched mob who didn't like seeing their markets shook up like that. I expect that has settled down now and maybe some of the mob organizations have gone legit.

The biggest thing that needs to happen is get it off Schedule 1 so that U.S. laboratories can test it to determine more of its properties. Right now there's still much more ignorance than knowledge.

I have a book called " Grow Your Own " which takes a scientific look and they say that there is very little known about the ancestry of any given plant because of its sordid legal past. So any claims about whether this particular baggy contains sativa or indica might be close, but beyond that it's a guess. Records simply aren't kept about its lineage the way they have been for corn, wheat, hops, or any other agricultural product. Much of the information is anecdotal and subject to embellishment and outright errors.
   25. Greg Pope Posted: December 10, 2019 at 08:23 PM (#5907623)
I don't really want to smoke anything. But I tried some edibles in Amsterdam and I felt zero effect. Now, I didn't have much because it was my first time and I was concerned about overdoing it. But am I to understand that edibles are less predictable because of what andeaux brought up in #19?
   26. Meatwad Posted: December 10, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5907635)
Edibles are ok but do not prefer them. Like being able to control and for the most part what its going to do to me. Indiana is in a weird place with basically every state around us either medical or recreational. Indiana is missing out. As to the blackmarket not going away its no surprise. When you can grow your own and move the rest cheaper tban taxed prices you can cover your expenses without the fear of the ectric company or someone else noticing the grow operation and calling the cops on you.
   27. Red Voodooin Posted: December 11, 2019 at 01:26 AM (#5907662)
I get my illegal weed in NY for 2/3 what I pay for legal stuff in NV. Same quality too, if not the same endless selection. I don't see the black market vanishing any time soon.


I currently live in Washington and they basically give the stuff away. Yeah, "top shelf" stuff can be kinda pricey (relatively), but lower shelf stuff can be had for literally a couple dollars. I dunno what the black market was like in NYC (or is like now) but as a college student in the western US in the late 90s/00s, it was hard to find an eighth for less than $40, and $50 was more common, regardless of quality. Today I can walk into a dispensary (they are EVERYWHERE) and get an full ounce for what I would have paid for a small bag 15 years ago.
   28. Rusty Priske Posted: December 11, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5907853)
Catch up, america. Canada has already fully legalized it. Being abolitionist on weed while having an open door policy on booze makes no sense.
   29. Nasty Nate Posted: December 11, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5907873)
I get my illegal weed in NY for 2/3 what I pay for legal stuff in NV. Same quality too, if not the same endless selection. I don't see the black market vanishing any time soon.

I currently live in Washington and they basically give the stuff away. Yeah, "top shelf" stuff can be kinda pricey (relatively), but lower shelf stuff can be had for literally a couple dollars. I dunno what the black market was like in NYC (or is like now) but as a college student in the western US in the late 90s/00s, it was hard to find an eighth for less than $40, and $50 was more common, regardless of quality. Today I can walk into a dispensary (they are EVERYWHERE) and get an full ounce for what I would have paid for a small bag 15 years ago.
In Massachusetts, the black market is significantly cheaper than both the legal market, and the black market of the late 90s/00s.

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