Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Monday, March 29, 2021

MLBPA open to discuss pulling All-Star game out of Georgia after voting restrictions passed, chief says

MLB Players Association executive director Tony Clark said players are ready to discuss moving the summer’s All-Star game out of Atlanta after the state legislature passed an election reform bill restricting voter access, the Boston Globe reported.

The 91st MLB All-Star game is scheduled for the Atlanta Braves’ Truist Park on July 13 and they’re planning to have full capacity.

Via Michael Silverman at the Boston Globe:

“Players are very much aware” of the Georgia voting bill, which places restrictions on voting accessibility that will make it particularly difficult for Black voters to reach the polls, said Tony Clark in an interview with the Globe. “As it relates to the All-Star Game, we have not had a conversation with the league on that issue – if there is an opportunity to, we would look forward to having that conversation.”

There’s precedent for moving an all-star game based on enacted legislation. The NBA moved its 2017 game out of Charlotte, North Carolina, following laws that limited anti-discrimination protections for the LGBTQ community.

EDIT: A reminder why I shut off the political threads. After receiving a few complaints, I’ve disabled commenting and have banned a couple posters. FYI, Jim.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 29, 2021 at 10:21 PM | 164 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: all-star game, braves, politics

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 1 of 2 pages  1 2 > 
   1. winnipegwhip Posted: March 30, 2021 at 09:34 AM (#6010659)
Was part of the agreement for communities to fund ballparks a promise to get an All Star Game by a certain date? Moving the ASG may be a breach in that deal if existed.

I know this has often been used previously to convince local jurisdictions fund a new facility …… see Washington Nationals.

Does the members of the MLBPA even care about this? And what side are they on with this issue? And do the foreign born players even care about or can they vote in the USA?
   2. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: March 30, 2021 at 09:44 AM (#6010663)
This is my line in the sand. If MLB starts injecting itself into politics to this extent, then I'm done with the sport forever.
   3. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: March 30, 2021 at 09:55 AM (#6010665)
Does the members of the MLBPA even care about this?


According to Tony Clark the other day (and Giancarlo Stanton also) yes they do.
   4. Traderdave Posted: March 30, 2021 at 10:07 AM (#6010669)

This is my line in the sand. If MLB starts injecting itself into politics to this extent, then I'm done with the sport forever.


Politics is favoring a candidate or a bill or something specific. Voting rights are principle rather than politics.

There's a solid case to be made that a business should stay out of both, but a business that identifies (quite strongly) as capital-A America, and calls itself the "National Pastime" is not out of line to stand on a principle so fundamental as voting.
   5. villageidiom Posted: March 30, 2021 at 10:13 AM (#6010670)
If MLB starts injecting itself into politics to this extent, then I'm done with the sport forever.
MLB is no place for - wait, they're starting the anthem.

O say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there!
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?


As I was saying, MLB is no place for politics.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 30, 2021 at 10:14 AM (#6010671)
Voting rights are principle rather than politics.
Wouldn't that be nice?
   7. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 30, 2021 at 10:22 AM (#6010673)
then I'm done with the sport forever.

bye, Felicia.
   8. Traderdave Posted: March 30, 2021 at 10:25 AM (#6010675)
Was part of the agreement for communities to fund ballparks a promise to get an All Star Game by a certain date? Moving the ASG may be a breach in that deal if existed.


That has happened more than a few times, but I suspect it was never a firm, signed contract, just a verbal and open ended promise.
   9. winnipegwhip Posted: March 30, 2021 at 10:39 AM (#6010677)
These civil rights groups also want The Masters to consider leaving Georgia. That has to be the funniest request in.....history. Talk about reaching for the stars....
   10. . Posted: March 30, 2021 at 12:04 PM (#6010689)
According to Tony Clark the other day (and Giancarlo Stanton also) yes they do.


I'd bet a bunch of money the majority of Tony's union has no interest whatever in agitating to move the All-Star game and it's very likely a majority of his union actually would favor the Georgia bill if they were informed of what's in it. The Twitter mob is unfortunately punching way beyond the weight of its actual numbers in this rather sorry period of US history, and that's almost all a function of media structure. It will not last and it obviously should not last.

And it remains the case that all these woke corporations are woke because its the perfect way to keep attention and passion and energy deflected from their prerogatives and other activities. If they keep woke energy focused on wokedom, and get themselves nominally on the side of that energy, the energy won't question their salaries or their corporate behavior or their prerogatives or the system generally. And at a very tiny cost. Mission very much accomplished for them.
   11. Mike A Posted: March 30, 2021 at 12:27 PM (#6010694)
Nothing wrong with the way Georgia handled the vote in 2020. Virtually everyone I know - Democrat and Republican - were happy at the shorter lines and the ease of absentee voting. But because the results didn't go quite as planned, we have these changes that the majority do not agree with. It's pretty obvious what Kemp and the GOP are going for here. Though I am hesitant over these boycotts, it is frustrating that Majorie Taylor Greene country are making decisions for the rest of us.

But all and all, it's more of a last gasp to hold onto power. Atlanta is becoming too big, too powerful, too fast. Kemp et al won't be able to keep it down forever.
   12. Scott Lange Posted: March 30, 2021 at 12:30 PM (#6010696)
But all and all, it's more of a last gasp to hold onto power. Atlanta is becoming too big, too powerful, too fast. Kemp et al won't be able to keep it down forever.


You hear a lot of people say this. But if they won't let their opponents vote, they can hold on to power indefinitely.
   13. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: March 30, 2021 at 12:31 PM (#6010697)
it's very likely a majority of his union actually would favor the Georgia bill if they were informed of what's in it

Considering the fact that you need an ID for most everything these days, it seems logical that you would need one to vote...but of course the very idea is horrible and racist.

And ya know what? It kinda is. The GOP is pushing this because they know that voter ID would make it harder for certain people to vote, people who inevitably vote Democratic. And, yep, lotsa blacks in that category.

The Democrats' hands, of course, are far from clean on this score. This is the way it's been for decades: both sides push for changes to the laws that make it easier for Their Side to vote, and harder for the Other Side to vote. And if they gotta guilt people into changing the laws, well, them's the breaks.

And it remains the case that all these woke corporations are woke because its the perfect way to keep attention and passion and energy deflected from their prerogatives and other activities. If they keep woke energy focused on wokedom, and get themselves nominally on the side of that energy, the energy won't question their salaries or their corporate behavior or their prerogatives or the system generally. And at a very tiny cost. Mission very much accomplished for them.

This, right here. Hey, MLB, wanna really do something for racial equality? Try hiring some blacks in your front offices, rather than the usual array of trust fund white kids with Ivy league degrees.
   14. McCoy Posted: March 30, 2021 at 12:35 PM (#6010699)
What changes have Democrats made that made it harder for Republicans to vote?
   15. JJ1986 Posted: March 30, 2021 at 12:37 PM (#6010700)
Considering the fact that you need an ID for most everything these days,
Like buying groceries...
   16. Mike A Posted: March 30, 2021 at 01:08 PM (#6010703)
You hear a lot of people say this. But if they won't let their opponents vote, they can hold on to power indefinitely.
A valid point. But...a lot of people are mobilized by these actions, so I think this may end up backfiring on Kemp and the GOP. They were already starting to lose the wealthier Atlanta suburbs, and these laws are going to go over there like lead balloon.

Kemp was already in trouble in his own party because he wouldn't overturn the Presidential election, and it will be incredibly difficult for him to hold off Stacey Abrams if she runs. In turn, Georgia may end up going the way of Virginia in a few years. But as always in politics, you never know.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 30, 2021 at 01:32 PM (#6010709)
. . . and it's very likely a majority of his union actually would favor the Georgia bill if they were informed of what's in it.
Quite possibly. The criticisms of the Georgia law are highly exaggerated, and quite similar to the discredited disenfranchisement claims Voter ID opponents have made in other states. You need to show ID for Covid vaccination, and I haven’t heard that anyone has been unable to do so, or that people are dying for lack of ID.
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 30, 2021 at 01:43 PM (#6010712)

You need to show ID for Covid vaccination.

I don't think this is true; at least in many states you can provide other proof of residence and age without a government-issued photo ID. Here's an article about the requirements in Maryland, DC and Virginia for example.
   19. . Posted: March 30, 2021 at 01:51 PM (#6010714)
ID laws may or may not be a good idea for voting, but the idea that if a state passes one, business should therefore just flee the state entirely is insane.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2021 at 01:53 PM (#6010716)
I think ID laws for voting are fine if basic IDs are free and easily obtainable. I couldn't say whether that's true in Georgia.
   21. Mayor Blomberg Posted: March 30, 2021 at 01:58 PM (#6010717)
I think ID laws for voting are fine if basic IDs are free and easily obtainable.

Just limit them to privileges like voting and not rights like buying guns.
Many thanks,
Texas
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:02 PM (#6010718)
It's possible that people who travel about half the year for their work have a greater appreciation for the benefits of things like absentee and early voting than the average American.
   23. Froot Loops Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:12 PM (#6010720)
You need to show ID for Covid vaccination, and I haven’t heard that anyone has been unable to do so, or that people are dying for lack of ID.


I got a Covid vaccination last week without ever showing ID.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6010723)
I got a Covid vaccination last week without ever showing ID.

I can't buy allergy pills without ID.
   25. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6010725)
quite similar to the discredited disenfranchisement claims Voter ID opponents have made in other states
As opposed to the entirely credible and substantiated claims of rampant voter fraud.
   26. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6010726)
I can't buy allergy pills without ID.


Try to buy them when you're not also purchasing anhydrous ammonia.
   27. Itsdrainageeli Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:43 PM (#6010727)
The criticisms of the Georgia law are highly exaggerated, and quite similar to the discredited disenfranchisement claims Voter ID opponents have made in other states.


I think the biggest issue is that the legislature took control over the certification of the election results by providing that they now appoint the majority of the board and removed the Secretary of State from the Chairman role. I'd like to think that it's benign but if one could imagine a scenario where the democrats won the legislature at some point in the future, the republican legislature would refuse to give it up through it's majority controlled state board.
   28. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:47 PM (#6010729)
Try to buy them when you're not also purchasing anhydrous ammonia.

And why should that matter? Anti-histamines were available w/o ID for decades. hell, when I was a kid you could get cough medicine with codeine (the only kind that really works) OTC.
   29. Scott Lange Posted: March 30, 2021 at 02:49 PM (#6010730)
The Democrats' hands, of course, are far from clean on this score. This is the way it's been for decades: both sides push for changes to the laws that make it easier for Their Side to vote, and harder for the Other Side to vote.


This is one of the least defensible statements I've ever seen on this site, and that's really saying something. What a bunch of "both sides" BS. For shame.
   30. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:19 PM (#6010733)
This is one of the least defensible statements I've ever seen on this site, and that's really saying something.


RMc has a way about him.

I'd bet a bunch of money the majority of Tony's union has no interest whatever in agitating to move the All-Star game and it's very likely a majority of his union actually would favor the Georgia bill if they were informed of what's in it.


This is probably accurate.

The Twitter mob is unfortunately punching way beyond the weight of its actual numbers in this rather sorry period of US history, and that's almost all a function of media structure


This is just you doing you. #11 and #16 explain things much better. Assertions are fun and stuff; statements based on an actual knowledge base tend to be more productive.

   31. Mayor Blomberg Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:22 PM (#6010734)
hell, when I was a kid you could get cough medicine with codeine

Hell used to be able to buy people and all you needed was cash. Let's go back to the good old days, yeah?
   32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:22 PM (#6010735)
I got a Covid vaccination last week without ever showing ID.
Then your experience was different from mine in Virginia’s most populous county (whose government is controlled by Democrats).

I think the biggest issue is that the legislature took control over the certification of the election results by providing that they now appoint the majority of the board and removed the Secretary of State from the Chairman role. I'd like to think that it's benign but if one could imagine a scenario where the democrats won the legislature at some point in the future, the republican legislature would refuse to give it up through it's majority controlled state board.
So a hypothetical problem based on assumptions that one group of poltical appointees might do something different than another group of poltical appointees in the future? OK, but that’s far different from most of the criticisms, many of which are flat out wrong on the facts, including the comments by President Biden, who falsely claimed that the law reduced voting hours. Biden earned 4 Pinocchios from the Washington Post ‘Fact Checker’, who noted that the law didn’t reduce the hours for in-person voting and actually expanded opportunities for early voting.
   33. geonose Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:38 PM (#6010737)
I was asked to show zero ID for my COVID vax. No proof of residency, no insurance card (for possible administration fee billing), no photo ID.

Oh, and FWIW, my jurisdiction is controlled by the GOP.
   34. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:39 PM (#6010738)
Hell used to be able to buy people and all you needed was cash. Let's go back to the good old days, yeah?

What a stupid argument. Any change is good b/c slavery. Idiot.
   35. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:47 PM (#6010741)
President Biden, who falsely claimed that the law reduced voting hours.
Just FYI - you guys never get to complain about a politician lying again. Like, really never.
   36. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:53 PM (#6010743)
The Democrats' hands, of course, are far from clean on this score. This is the way it's been for decades: both sides push for changes to the laws that make it easier for Their Side to vote, and harder for the Other Side to vote.

This is one of the least defensible statements I've ever seen on this site, and that's really saying something. What a bunch of "both sides" BS. For shame.


But to say "only the bad people on the other side do it" is equally BS. There are two (main) political parties, and they've both proven time and again that they'll do anything to accrue and maintain power. The idea that one side (yours, conveniently) has clean hands and the other doesn't is utter lunacy. That ain't the way human beings work.

RMc has a way about him.


Rise, my humble servant.
   37. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:58 PM (#6010745)
And why should that matter?


Do you not know why they're asking for your ID?
   38. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: March 30, 2021 at 03:59 PM (#6010746)
President Biden, who falsely claimed that the law reduced voting hours.

The link, BTW, goes to that well-known white supremacist rag, the Washington Post. (How much longer before they push Joe out and let Kamalamania start? Will Joe even know he's been pushed out...?)

Just FYI - you guys never get to complain about a politician lying again. Like, really never.

That's like saying because Don Denkinger blew that call in the '85 World Series, Royals fans never get to b#tch about a bad call ever again. Yeah, no.
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:05 PM (#6010748)
That's like saying because Don Denkinger blew that call in the '85 World Series, Royals fans never get to b#tch about a bad call ever again. Yeah, no.
It's the antithesis of like that.
   40. winnipegwhip Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:09 PM (#6010750)
Just FYI - you guys never get to complain about a politician lying again. Like, really never.


Appropriate if BBTF existed in 1790.
   41. Scott Lange Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:13 PM (#6010753)
But to say "only the bad people on the other side do it" is equally BS. There are two (main) political parties, and they've both proven time and again that they'll do anything to accrue and maintain power. The idea that one side (yours, conveniently) has clean hands and the other doesn't is utter lunacy. That ain't the way human beings work.


Still waiting for you to give an example of Democrats trying to make it harder for Republican voters to vote. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long time.
   42. Hot Wheeling American Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:27 PM (#6010756)
Still waiting for you to give an example of Democrats trying to make it harder for Republican voters to vote. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long time.

In before the ghoulish The Yankee Clapper links to some low level Dem operative printing out pamphlets with wrong info about election day...
   43. . Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:31 PM (#6010758)
Just FYI - you guys never get to complain about a politician lying again. Like, really never.


The "kids in cages" tears sure dried up fast, didn't they?
   44. . Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:35 PM (#6010759)
Still waiting for you to give an example of Democrats trying to make it harder for Republican voters to vote. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long time.


Gerrymandering.

   45. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:41 PM (#6010760)
Gerrymandering.
"Democrats do X. Republicans do 3X+Y+Z+A+B+C+D etc. Both sides!"
   46. Scott Lange Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:52 PM (#6010762)
I've had that account on ignore for a decade or more, but I see the quote, and gerrymandering isn't an answer because it doesn't make it harder for anyone to vote.

To be clear, gerrymandering does make it harder for the gerrymandered party to win, and it is terrible. And, unsurprisingly, Republicans do much much more of it than Democrats. You may recall five Republican justices deciding Rucho v. Common Cause over the objection of their four Democratic colleagues to make ensure that partisan gerrymandering would remain legal less than two years ago.

But RMC claimed that Democrats "push for changes to the laws that make it . . . harder for the Other Side to vote." Not harder to win - harder to vote. That's what we're (still) waiting for an example of.
   47. . Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:52 PM (#6010763)
Democrats gerrymander, my man. Come on, now -- let's be serious. There's nothing really wrong with gerrymandering; the problem is the absolute hysterics over R's doing it when D's also do it. See, also -- kids in cages.
   48. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:56 PM (#6010766)
There's nothing really wrong with gerrymandering; the problem is the absolute hysterics over R's doing it when D's also do it.
Let's keep the goalposts where they are. They look weird over where you want to move them.
   49. . Posted: March 30, 2021 at 04:58 PM (#6010767)
Gerrymandering intentionally disfranchises by lumping a bunch of votes with similar votes, thus diluting the ultimate power of those votes. That's the entire purpose of it. Things like requiring ID don't do anything to votes other than throw a tiny, entirely manageable friction in the way.

Again, it's not the partisanship that's so ridiculous. It's the relentless insistence that these kind of human imperfections are always malign when they go against you and the obviously ridiculous ideas like outside commerce should be shut down in Georgia. It's just hysterical and wildly disproportionate. Constantly.
   50. . Posted: March 30, 2021 at 05:00 PM (#6010768)
Let's keep the goalposts where they are. They look weird over where you want to move them.


Democrats gerrymander to gain political power in excess of a normal distribution of votes. Republicans do the same thing. Be an adult and stop pretending otherwise. It's really ok. You'll survive.

Democrats also "put kids in cages." Most rational people knew that when all the hysterics about Trump doing it were rolling. It's perfectly ok to be partisan. Just stop pretending the differences are massive and entirely in kind and the result of pristine versus malign -- because they aren't.
   51. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: March 30, 2021 at 05:17 PM (#6010771)
Still waiting for you to give an example of Democrats trying to make it harder for Republican voters to vote. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long time.

You will, indeed, since it's not my job to teach you how to use Google. (Geez, I say one thing -- criticizing Republicans, no less! -- and the long knives immediately come out. Sigh.)

Democrats gerrymander to gain political power in excess of a normal distribution of votes. Republicans do the same thing. Be an adult and stop pretending otherwise. It's really ok. You'll survive.

Don't bother, dot. They'll never believe a word you say. Extremists (left or right) are always correct; heck, that's why they're on that side in the first place! And you are scum, a racist, and probably transphobic.

I'm out, kiddies.
   52. winnipegwhip Posted: March 30, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6010773)
I got an answer Scott. Didn't the Dems have guys like Wallace as their reps? How were the demographics on voter turnout?
   53. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 30, 2021 at 05:53 PM (#6010778)
And, unsurprisingly, Republicans do much much more of it than Democrats.
That may be true at the moment, but it’s certainly not true historically. Democrats benefited from decades of gerrymandering after the one-person/one-vote decisions ushered in the modern redistricting era; the GOP didn’t become dominant in most state legislatures until the 2010 election, when gerrymandering suddenly became a problem for Democrats.

BTW, not all partisan districting decisions are gerrymandering. Imagine a county entitled to 2 state legislators, with the population split 60%-40% between the majority & minority parties, and distributed so that North-South districts are likely to produce two majority party legislators, while East-West districts are likely to produce one legislator for each party. Both parties would pursue the most advantageous configuration, but neither would be gerrymandering in that example. The effect of gerrymandering is also often overstated. IIRC, political scientists estimated that the GOP redistricting advantage in the House netted ~ 8-12 seats after 2010. The Democrats are more disadvantaged by most of their voters being overly concentrated in a relatively few large urban areas, while GOP voters are more evenly dispersed in the rest of the country. You don’t get extra seats by running up huge margins in a relatively few districts while losing most of the others in closer contests.
   54. Scott Lange Posted: March 30, 2021 at 05:53 PM (#6010779)
You will, indeed, since it's not my job to teach you how to use Google. (Geez, I say one thing -- criticizing Republicans, no less! -- and the long knives immediately come out. Sigh.)


Haha, what a joke. Literally can't come up with one example in the entire country. Great work. What an embarassment.

I got an answer Scott. Didn't the Dems have guys like Wallace as their reps? How were the demographics on voter turnout?

1- George Wallace? The segregationist governor of Alabama from fifty years ago who would very very very very obviously not be a Democrat today? What on earth does he have to do with anything?
2- I don't know what "demographics on voter turnout" means. I'm asking for an example of Democrats passing laws to make it harder for Republicans to vote, as RMC promised existed before he surrendered.

I guess I'll chalk this up as the one time every year or two I forget what a waste it is engaging with the trolls on a BBTF politics thread and leave it there.
   55. John Northey Posted: March 30, 2021 at 07:00 PM (#6010786)
There are easy fixes for gerrymandering - switching to a Proportional Representation type system (which most countries outside of the US & Canada have done). It has worked well for Germany for decades for example. Just don't go the Israel method which has been a mess or the Italy one (maybe an issue with nations starting with an I? - bad joke).

I'd be glad to see the ASG removed from Georgia over this attempt to subvert voting rights. Quite disgusting really. Most sane nations have a non-partisan body decide the shape of districts, promote voting with a goal of getting as close to 100% voting as possible. Instead in the US you allowed partisan setups which has led to disgusting practices of politicians choosing voters over voters choosing representatives. The Democrats were doing it for years, now the Republicans are the ones super-talented at it. I don't care which party does it, it is wrong period. Unless of course you hate democracy.
   56. Howie Menckel Posted: March 30, 2021 at 10:10 PM (#6010800)
am not going to press the issue because this is not the place, but hopefully this query is bland enough not to stir any loins....

a number of provisions in this bill strike me - and most? - as rather obviously objectionable, and some have been referenced here.

but how is it never enough? why do the headlines and the media talking heads and social media and ... cannot settle with a clear "win" - this stuff sucks, and who disagrees? there's always exaggeration well beyond the clear, sensible objections.

ok, I guess I know why. but it's just.... weird.

I guess in baseball vernacular, pitching a shutout is passe. now you try to run up the score, even as it allows the opponent to score runs themselves. or something.

thanks, I'll hang up and wait for your response.
   57. Howie Menckel Posted: March 30, 2021 at 10:42 PM (#6010805)
ah, was gonna spike that.

carry on.
   58. bookbook Posted: March 31, 2021 at 02:53 AM (#6010814)
“Democrats also "put kids in cages." Most rational people knew that when all the hysterics about Trump doing it were rolling. It's perfectly ok to be partisan. Just stop pretending the differences are massive and entirely in kind and the result of pristine versus malign -- because they aren't.“

Democrats have not stripped kids from their parents as a method of deterrence. Democrats did not go to court and argue that giving soap and toothbrushes to the captive kids was a luxury they shouldn’t be required to provide. Democrats did not keep kids locked up for many months, refusing them medical care, nutrition, and human decency. Democrats didn’t lose track of parent children bonds, so hundreds of families still can’t be reunited.

Democrats did not dismantle the immigration and asylum system. Yes there are kids who arrived without their families in cages right now for more than 72 hours while FEMA and DHS and HHS scramble to get the kids into safe foster situations while asylum status is considered. Yes, The Trump administration ###### the system. Yes, GOP senators blocked the DHS head’s confirmation for a month and HHS for at least as long.

No, Democrats can’t fix the shitshow Trump made of the executive branch or restore the US to the right side of human and civil rights overnight.

If you can’t see that you are drawing a massive false equivalence, there is something seriously wrong with your reasoning ability.
   59. bookbook Posted: March 31, 2021 at 02:57 AM (#6010815)
The majority of MLBPA members are conservative. The majority of Republicans would have supported overturning the election in 2020 to reinstall Trump as a proto-dictator. The new law would give a sheen of legality to overturning future elections that don’t go conservatives’ way. The MLBPA might not be the organization that saves our democracy. I’ll be proud if they do step up to the plate.
   60. . Posted: March 31, 2021 at 09:34 AM (#6010829)
New York Times, today:

Migrant children and families are sleeping shoulder to shoulder on mats in a Texas border facility designed for 250 people that is now holding more than 4,100, according to some of the first photographs to emerge from the crowded camp that has become a focal point of the Biden administration’s struggles to absorb thousands of new arrivals on the southwestern border.


4,100 people in a cage designed to hold 250.
   61. Itsdrainageeli Posted: March 31, 2021 at 09:46 AM (#6010830)
So a hypothetical problem based on assumptions that one group of poltical appointees might do something different than another group of poltical appointees in the future?


The Georgia Secretary of State did not carry the President's water in aggressively trying to overturn the vote. Okay, let's take that power away from him to put it in the hands of someone who is more beholden to us. You don't see something wrong with that? Sure, you could pass it off as, "it's just politics", but that doesn't mean that there's not something inherently wrong with it.
   62. . Posted: March 31, 2021 at 09:50 AM (#6010831)
It's delegated authority that just apparently got un-delegated or re-delegated. Unless you wear partisan glasses, there's nothing "wrong" with that in the least. Happens all the time, in every state and county in the country. Like with the kids in cages, the only reason for outcry is that the people who did it are R's. That kind of thing just isn't persuasive to rational centrists.
   63. Astroenteritis Posted: March 31, 2021 at 10:54 AM (#6010839)
Anything MLB does to oppose Jim Crow laws is just fine.
   64. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 31, 2021 at 01:48 PM (#6010863)

#58 well said.

And FWIW I am somewhat involved with various immigrant rights groups, and they are not being silent about the continued flaws in the immigration system under Biden.
   65. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: March 31, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6010870)
4,100 people in a cage designed to hold 250.
Wow, now imagine if these 4,100 people in a cage designed to hold 250, wrapped like burritos, were enduring this sh1t during a pandemic...

Hmmm, don't see too many masks being worn either...
   66. Mike A Posted: March 31, 2021 at 03:22 PM (#6010874)
As #27 notes, the legislature just gave themselves a tremendous amount of power over all Georgia elections. This isn't checks and balances, this is just checks. It's no secret why they have done this as it's incredibly easy to read between the lines on this bill.

What's also hilarious to me - having dealt with Fulton County for many, many years - is that somehow the county was able to successfully pull off massive election fraud with nary a trace. Jewish Space Lasers might be more believable.

But hey, we have to defend 'election integrity' (cough) by making it harder for us to vote.
   67. Itsdrainageeli Posted: March 31, 2021 at 03:44 PM (#6010878)
Well, I'm a Yankee fan. It would be like having the umps announce before a Yankees game that they are big Yankees fans. Then the Yankees lose. The ump supervisors (who are also Yankee fans) check the video twice and deem that all the calls seem correct.

Then the Yankees say, you know what, because no one has faith in the outcome of the game we are going to pass a new rule so everyone can be confident. From now on, no Yankee fan will either umpire or review the game. From now on, they will be Yankee employees.
   68. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: March 31, 2021 at 04:42 PM (#6010885)

Hell used to be able to buy people and all you needed was cash. Let's go back to the good old days, yeah?


Hey, you're talking to a self-described paleoconservative there who's noted in the past that if not for his religion he'd be a psychopath (or maybe he said sociopath ... I wasn't taking notes). Probably best to go with another message.
   69. Lowry Seasoning Salt Posted: March 31, 2021 at 04:54 PM (#6010888)
Wow, now imagine if these 4,100 people in a cage designed to hold 250, wrapped like burritos, were enduring this sh1t during a pandemic...

Hmmm, don't see too many masks being worn either...


The JE Award for Excellence In WhatAboutism appropriately goes to JE. Rarely a thread he enters where he doesn't win.
   70. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 01, 2021 at 11:34 AM (#6011004)
Okay, people, here are the facts:

1. The vast majority of the Georgia changes will have zero impact. Some will even have positive impact.
2. Nothing about it is even remotely "Jim Crow." Not even a little bit.
3. The people supporting the changes were motivated by either a desire to skew future elections or a desire to make their base think that they were trying to skew future elections.
   71. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: April 01, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6011044)
The JE Award for Excellence In WhatAboutism appropriately goes to JE. Rarely a thread he enters where he doesn't win.
Continuing to toss around a phrase you don't even remotely understand is adorable. Most here still possess little to no contact with the outside world and therefore it's understandable that you're unable to debate much of anything on substance.
   72. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 02:25 PM (#6011046)
1. The vast majority of the Georgia changes will have zero impact. Some will even have positive impact.

SEIZE HIM!

and I'm assuming that there is a "Godwin's Law" that takes care of most Jim Crow references?
   73. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: April 01, 2021 at 02:28 PM (#6011049)
2. Nothing about it is even remotely "Jim Crow." Not even a little bit.
But is it Jim Eagle?
   74. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: April 01, 2021 at 02:56 PM (#6011055)
Well, that's the end of that:

To our friends across the country, please do not boycott us.

Instead, the candidate who has yet to concede the 2018 gubernatorial election demands that all of corporate America send her more pallets of cash.
   75. Ron J Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:10 PM (#6011103)
David, that "vast majority" is doing a lot of work. You can have a lot of nothing(ish)burgers and still have a major issue.

As to point 3, the mechanism of (plausibly) skewing future elections matters. The intent is to keep the "wrong" people from voting and the people who are potentially impacted pretty clearly skew minority.
   76. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:48 PM (#6011151)
if starting from Post 70 or starting from "Jim Crow" (which shows breathtaking ignorance of the actual horrors imposed on minorities in the South for so many decades), the former road is a lot shorter walk to a well-reasoned finish line.
   77. sunday silence (again) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 05:36 AM (#6011202)

1. The vast majority of the Georgia changes will have zero impact. Some will even have positive impact.


what do you mean, like electing more Republicans to the Senate?
   78. sunday silence (again) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 05:39 AM (#6011203)

The majority of MLBPA members are conservative.


do you have some sort of reference to this? This seems off, and it also seems to be avoiding the more relevant question of which political party they favor? Are you trying to say they vote GOP or what?
   79. Ron J Posted: April 02, 2021 at 06:27 AM (#6011204)
Howie you miss the rather significant point that one key to making Jim Crow last lay in keeping blacks from voting in the first place.
   80. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 01:52 PM (#6011249)
what do you mean, like electing more Republicans to the Senate?
No. I mean like reducing voting wait times. For example, this provision was added to the Georgia election code under this law:

(b) If, at the previous general election, a precinct contained more than 2,000 electors and if electors desiring to vote on the day of the election had to wait in line for more than one hour before checking in to vote, the superintendent shall either reduce the size of such precinct so that it shall contain not more than 2,000 electors in accordance with the procedures prescribed by this chapter for the division, alteration, and consolidation of precincts no later than 60 days before the next general election or provide additional voting equipment or poll workers, or both, before the next general election.
   81. Howie Menckel Posted: April 02, 2021 at 02:29 PM (#6011261)
you miss the rather significant point that one key to making Jim Crow last lay in keeping blacks from voting in the first place.

I have been waiting for a historical comparison of the extent of opportunities for Blacks to vote in the Jim Crow era compared to their opportunities remaining after passage of this bill.

It's weird how I haven't found an article do that yet. I mean, what better way to show how similar things are now, after this law passed, and then - in terms of the extent of opportunities to vote?

but I'm sure I just keep overlooking them. because if no one did that - well, it could be enough to make a guy grow a little cynical.

I tend to look askance at any laws limiting voting opportunities, but on a large scale it would be an atrocity - and on a very small scale it would just be philosophically unappealing. but "nuance" is so old-school these days, I realize....

if I used to get 8 hours to vote and now I only get 1, that's a lot different than going from 20 days to vote and now I only get 19 days, for example. the lack of such specifics in all the rhetoric raises an eyebrow.
   82. Lassus Posted: April 02, 2021 at 02:40 PM (#6011263)
if I used to get 8 hours to vote and now I only get 1, that's a lot different than going from 20 days to vote and now I only get 19 days, for example. the lack of such specifics in all the rhetoric raises an eyebrow.

Control thyself, Spock. The Iowa rep that just gave up lost by 6 votes. We all remember what happened in NY-22. Singular days and votes matter.
   83. Adam Starblind Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:04 PM (#6011272)


Fixed?
   84. Adam Starblind Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:05 PM (#6011274)
It’s a done deal — All Star Game is out of Atlanta.


Good. Georgia needs to be made an example. Pay attention Texas, Michigan, etc.
   85. Spahn Insane Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:10 PM (#6011275)
It’s a done deal — All Star Game is out of Atlanta.

**applauds**
   86. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:14 PM (#6011277)
That actually really surprises me. I have to think there is some angle with MLBPA negotiations.
   87. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:31 PM (#6011281)
Bud Selig recommends moving the game to Milwaukee.
   88. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:37 PM (#6011282)
A detailed analysis of the Georgia voting law.
   89. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:40 PM (#6011283)
Dave Roberts indicating that he was likely to sit out the game (and presumably Mookie too) raised the likelihood of the game becoming a PR fiasco. Presumably Clark had a few other players who were also going to boycott the game too. How many of the right guys need to be on board with a boycott before the game becomes untenable? 5? 10?
   90. bunyon Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:50 PM (#6011285)
Online political debates are stupid and I'm glad OTP is gone.

On the other hand, I'm compelled to come here to say that I, too, am really surprised they moved the game. I expected some veneer of PR both sidesing it. This seems a bolder stance than MLB has taken in a long time. On anything. Hell, Manfred waffles on mundane issues every day.
   91. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:56 PM (#6011288)
I think it's an incredibly shortsighted decision. Setting aside that it's a huge overreaction, they've now put themselves in the position of having to police every jurisdiction's laws before an event. (Or maybe not; after all, Disney pulled out of filming in Georgia over an abortion law, but somehow doing business in Xinjiang didn't bother them.) But they're going to look really stupid if they put this game in another state with less permissive voting laws.
   92. Zonk demands an audit of your post Posted: April 02, 2021 at 04:00 PM (#6011289)
I agree, it was incredibly short-sighted of Georgia Republicans to create a stupid flashpoint because a gameshow host threw a hissy fit because election results confirmed that 55% of the country cannot stand him and this time around, the geographic spread of that 55% happened to be confirmed in electoral college results, as it usually, but not always, does.
   93. bunyon Posted: April 02, 2021 at 04:01 PM (#6011291)
@91: I agree with that, though not your take on the law itself (again, arguing that here is stupid and unproductive). Where do you put it that's "acceptable"? Jim Crow buys shoes, too.

Maybe we should go back to having two of these a year. One red state and one blue state.
   94. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 02, 2021 at 04:09 PM (#6011295)
Those carelessly repeating the ‘Jim Crow’ claims, here & elsewhere, including the current occupant of the White House, might want to look at the actual law:
In reality, Election Day hours were not changed and the opportunities to cast a ballot in early voting were expanded. The law made a modest change, replacing a vague phrase “normal business hours” — presumed to be 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. — to a more specific 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. time period. (Some rural county election offices worked only part time during the week, not a full eight-hour day, so the shift to more specific times makes it clear they must be open every weekday for at least eight hours.) But that’s the minimum. Under the new law, counties have the option to extend the voting hours so voters can start casting ballots as early as 7 a.m. and as late as 7 p.m. — the same as Election Day in Georgia. Moreover, an additional mandatory day of early voting on Saturday was added and two days of early voting on Sunday were codified as an option for counties.

The White House did not provide an explanation for Biden’s erroneous statement, which has turned up in a news conference, an official statement and an interview. Astonishingly, at an April 1 news briefing, White House press secretary Jen Psaki defended the president’s comment, incorrectly arguing “it standardizes the ending of voting every day at 5, right?”
Tellingly, in a massive lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups, this alleged defect in the law was not mentioned in an almost 100-page filing. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on March 31 issued a correction to an article that had echoed Biden’s remarks, saying the newspaper had incorrectly reported the new law would limit voting hours. “Nothing in the new law changes those rules,” the correction said.
   95. Froot Loops Posted: April 02, 2021 at 04:21 PM (#6011298)
At some point, the Republican Party is going to realize how badly out of step it is with the desires of normal, patriotic Americans. This decision brings that day a little bit closer.
   96. Zonk demands an audit of your post Posted: April 02, 2021 at 04:25 PM (#6011299)
If Outrage Arbitrage is ever going to function as a legitimate market, it probably needs some Exchange rules to prevent hyperbolic inflation of the currency.
   97. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 04:31 PM (#6011302)
The day Rob Manfred becomes a symbol of normal Americans is the day I move to Antarctica.
   98. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 04:32 PM (#6011303)
they're going to look really stupid if they put this game in another state with less permissive voting laws.

Rob Manfred would consider looking really stupid in front of a national audience.
   99. Phil Plantier's Famous Toilet Seat Stance Posted: April 02, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6011313)
Those carelessly repeating the ‘Jim Crow’ claims, here & elsewhere, including the current occupant of the White House, might want to look at the actual law:


Regardless of what the law says, or doesn't say, the continuance of this public perception is an absolute win for the Republican party of Georgia (and nationally).

We have, in Georgia, a red state that is trending purple and maybe turning blue in the near future. A blue tide largely accelerated by an influx of transplants brought by mega-corps and non-local industry (film). The Georgia Republican party needs this influx to stop.

National outrage, boycotts, fleeing industry... these are all intentional. Make no mistake, this bill is absolutely a grasp for power by Republicans, but it has nothing to do with the contents of the bill and everything to do with the public outrage and perception that the bill engenders.

The red people are in power, but their hold is slipping as more and more blue people are moving in. The red people would be happy to see their states economy crumble as long as the blue people flee with it.

Consider yourself progressive? Happy to see Georgia turning blue? Then boycotting the state or pulling money is exactly what you should not be doing. Virtue signaling is great, but sometimes it's exactly what the side you're fighting against wants you to do.

Despite what they might say in front of the cameras, the Georgia GOP is perfectly happy to see MLB pull out here (and any other industry that follows suit). Even if perception of this bill were to kill the Georgia economy over time it would be far better to rule over a red wasteland than be the minority in a blue utopia.
   100. Howie Menckel Posted: April 02, 2021 at 05:46 PM (#6011317)
from the Wa Post link in Post 94, the chickens have come home to roost for the Rs.

as noted by Wa Post, Biden isn't just repeatedly lying about the Georgia voting law, he's doing it on other topics as well.

but Ds don't care - and Rs decided 5+ years ago that bullshit was a-ok as long as it was by their team.

not a ton of people left who don't like bullshit no matter which bull is shitting.

EDIT: hey, I scored against the nanny!
Page 1 of 2 pages  1 2 > 

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
rr
for his generous support.

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogDodgers Albert Pujols Hits the COVID-19 Injured List
(176 - 1:43am, Oct 16)
Last: Ben Broussard Ramjet

NewsblogOT - October 2021 College Football thread
(196 - 1:10am, Oct 16)
Last: Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams)

NewsblogNBA 2021-2022 Season Thread
(18 - 12:53am, Oct 16)
Last: rr: cosmopolitan elite

Newsblog2021 LCS OMNICHATTER!
(126 - 12:37am, Oct 16)
Last: The Ghost of Sox Fans Past

NewsblogBeyond the Selig Rule: Can Baseball Fix Its Pipeline For Managers of Color?
(17 - 11:41pm, Oct 15)
Last: John Northey

Sox TherapyThe Boston Red Sox Will Play for the Pennant
(88 - 8:33pm, Oct 15)
Last: Textbook Editor

NewsblogOT Soccer Thread - Transfer! Kits! Other Stuff!
(417 - 8:05pm, Oct 15)
Last: Pirate Joe

NewsblogTheft Falls To Historic Lows
(29 - 8:02pm, Oct 15)
Last: Ron J

NewsblogMike Shildt out as St. Louis Cardinals manager, per report
(53 - 8:01pm, Oct 15)
Last: The Duke

NewsblogChicago Cubs hire Cleveland Guardians executive Carter Hawkins as their new general manager
(14 - 7:49pm, Oct 15)
Last: SoSH U at work

NewsblogTampa Bay Rays' David Hess diagnosed with cancerous tumor in chest, to start chemotherapy
(2 - 1:05pm, Oct 15)
Last: Mayor Blomberg

Newsblog2021 LDS OMNICHATTER!
(882 - 12:57pm, Oct 15)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogNBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread
(4930 - 12:52pm, Oct 15)
Last: Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus

Hall of MeritMost Meritorious Player: 2021 Discussion
(16 - 12:21pm, Oct 15)
Last: DL from MN

NewsblogOT - 2021 NFL thread
(20 - 12:03pm, Oct 15)
Last: 57i66135 right now is attacking rest

Page rendered in 0.7118 seconds
48 querie(s) executed