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Mullins 1st Oriole in 30-30 club: ‘It’s surreal’

Cedric Mullins’ surprise, superlative breakout season now also ranks historic. Not until Friday had an Oriole player hit 30 home runs and stolen 30 bases in the same season, throughout 67 years of O’s baseball in Baltimore. In that respect, Mullins now stands alone.

He earned the distinction with his three-run home run off Rangers righty Spencer Howard in the second inning of Friday’s 8-5 loss, tying something of a bow on a season that’s certain to earn the All-Star center fielder some down-ballot MVP love come awards voting. Mullins is the 43rd player in MLB history to record a 30-30 season, and first since Christian Yelich and Ronald Acuña Jr. accomplished the feat in 2019. The last American League players to do so were Mookie Betts and José Ramírez in ‘18.

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   1. Mefisto Posted: September 25, 2021 at 05:20 PM (#6041638)
I guess this is ironic, since the first 30-30 player was Ken Williams of the St. Louis Browns in 1922.
   2. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 25, 2021 at 11:54 PM (#6041725)
They mention Williams in TFA.
   3. Booey Posted: September 26, 2021 at 02:07 AM (#6041729)
I always find lines like this amusing:

Mullins is the 43rd player in MLB history to record a 30-30 season, and first since Christian Yelich and Ronald Acuña Jr. accomplished the feat in 2019.


So...he's the first player to do it since the last full season?

The history of the 30/30 club is interesting. It was a very rare occurrence for a long time - it only happened 11 times from the first instance in 1922 through 1986 (and 5 of those were Bobby Bonds) - and then it became "ho-hum" overnight with 4 instances in 1987 and at least one (and often multiple times) every year from 1987 to 2012 except for the strike year of 1994 (and Bonds was 37/29, so it surely would have happened) and 2010. And then just when it looked like it might start becoming rare again (5 straight seasons without anyone doing it from 2013-2017), it's suddenly become common once more with it happening 5 times in the last 3 full seasons. So...yeah.
   4. Mefisto Posted: September 26, 2021 at 08:39 AM (#6041733)
@2: I only read the excerpt. If they mention Williams, then they should have written the article differently, including the excerpted passage.
   5. Doug Jones threw harder than me Posted: September 26, 2021 at 12:08 PM (#6041739)
From Baltimore's standpoint, they don't really acknowledge their "Browns History", and you cannot really blame them considering how bad the Browns were for the vast majority of their history - and it would be especially awkward for the Orioles to begin to begin now, when they are in the midst of a very Browns-like era.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: September 26, 2021 at 12:12 PM (#6041741)

@2: I only read the excerpt. If they mention Williams, then they should have written the article differently, including the excerpted passage.


I think this was handled fine. The writer said he's the first Oriole to do it and the first in 67 years of Baltimore O's baseball.

Then, a few graphs down, he says, "He is also the first player in franchise history to go 30-30 in nearly a century, since Ken Williams for the St. Louis Browns in 1922."

All of those are accurate.
   7. John DiFool2 Posted: September 26, 2021 at 01:26 PM (#6041746)
From Baltimore's standpoint, they don't really acknowledge their "Browns History", and you cannot really blame them considering how bad the Browns were for the vast majority of their history - and it would be especially awkward for the Orioles to begin to begin now, when they are in the midst of a very Browns-like era.


Hmm. The former football Browns would seem to be in the same boat, esp. when the franchise got resurrected after the original also moved to Baltimore (& changed their handle). The O's a long time ago were also the 1st incarnation of the Milwaukee Brewers.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: September 26, 2021 at 01:32 PM (#6041747)
The former football Browns would seem to be in the same boat, esp. when the franchise got resurrected after the original also moved to Baltimore (& changed their handle).


They didn't have a choice. There was considerable disgust at Art Modell abandoning a city that had no difficulty supporting the franchise every week forever, the league decided the name and history would remain in Cleveland.
   9. Mefisto Posted: September 26, 2021 at 02:09 PM (#6041749)
From Baltimore's standpoint, they don't really acknowledge their "Browns History", and you cannot really blame them considering how bad the Browns were for the vast majority of their history - and it would be especially awkward for the Orioles to begin to begin now, when they are in the midst of a very Browns-like era.


From a fan standpoint, maybe, though I don't think you can just pretend that the bad years didn't exist (and 1922 was a good year for the Browns anyway). I don't see Dodgers fans trying to deny the Bums era.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: September 26, 2021 at 02:53 PM (#6041752)
It seems the teams that retained the nickname through a move or moves (Dodgers, Giants, A’s, Braves) are much more likely to embrace the full franchise history than the clubs that changed monikers (Twins, O’s, Rangers, Brewers, Nats).
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 26, 2021 at 03:02 PM (#6041753)
It seems the teams that retained the nickname through a move or moves (Dodgers, Giants, A’s, Braves) are much more likely to embrace the full franchise history than the clubs that changed monikers (Twins, O’s, Rangers, Brewers, Nats).

For the Brewers it doesn't really matter. It's one crappy season. Not much to commemorate for the '69 Pilots.

The Twins are the worst one. 60 years of history, 3 pennants a World Series, and maybe the greatest pitcher ever (plus other HoFers) down the memory hole. Browns are also an original team, but with a lot less good to remember.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: September 26, 2021 at 03:24 PM (#6041757)
For the Brewers it doesn't really matter. It's one crappy season. Not much to commemorate for the '69 Pilots.


Of course. I was simply being complete.
   13. Bob T Posted: September 26, 2021 at 05:43 PM (#6041774)
Salvador Dali: "My work is like being in the 30-30 club."
   14. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 26, 2021 at 06:12 PM (#6041785)
Hmm. The former football Browns would seem to be in the same boat, esp. when the franchise got resurrected after the original also moved to Baltimore (& changed their handle).

The football Ravens officially ceded the Browns history to the Cleveland club, however weird a concept that might seem to be. They don't include the old Browns stats in their franchise leaders or records, for example. And you can see this in how it's shown on the Cleveland Browns Pro Football Reference page. The Browns exist up until 1995, then there's a gap from 1996-1998, and then the franchise resumes in 1999. That's different from the Twins/Senators or Orioles/Browns, where the original franchise retains the history with their new name/city.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 26, 2021 at 07:04 PM (#6041794)
It seems the teams that retained the nickname through a move or moves (Dodgers, Giants, A’s, Braves) are much more likely to embrace the full franchise history than the clubs that changed monikers (Twins, O’s, Rangers, Brewers, Nats).
The Nationals have inducted the Expo Hall of Famers into their Ring of Honor, even though none ever played a game in Washington, D.C. Not sure what more they can reasonably be expected to do. The team & fans naturally tend to think more about DC baseball history, which is far longer than the Expos existence, even if much of that history technically now ‘belongs’ to the Twins & Rangers.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: September 26, 2021 at 07:23 PM (#6041798)
The Nationals have inducted the Expo Hall of Famers into their Ring of Honor, even though none ever played a game in Washington, D.C. Not sure what more they can reasonably be expected to do. The team & fans naturally tend to think more about DC baseball history, which is far longer than the Expos existence, even if much of that history technically now ‘belongs’ to the Twins & Rangers.


I prefer to think the history is co-owned by both the city where the team played and the franchise itself. It's definitely preferable to both abandoning them, as seems to be the case with the Browns.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: September 26, 2021 at 07:34 PM (#6041801)
A Seattle Pilot still holds the current Milwaukee Brewers franchise record for steals, and at this rate it will last forever.

1. Tommy Harper • 1969 73
2. Scott Podsednik • 2004 70
3. Jonathan Villar • 2016 62
4. Pat Listach • 1992 54
5. Paul Molitor • 1987 45
6. Jean Segura • 2013 44
7. Scott Podsednik • 2003 43
8. Darryl Hamilton • 1992 41
Paul Molitor • 1982 41
Paul Molitor • 1983 41
Paul Molitor • 1988 41
   18. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 26, 2021 at 08:23 PM (#6041809)
Speaking of stolen bases, some props to Starling Marte for being tied for 4th in SB in the National League and tied for 6th in American League. Assuming there isn’t a final week SB frenzy, he’ll be the first player to finish in the Top 10 of both leagues in the same season.
   19. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 26, 2021 at 10:23 PM (#6041820)
Mullins could become the second player ever to finish top 5 in MVP voting while playing on a 100-loss team. Can you name the other?

Answer here.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: September 26, 2021 at 10:41 PM (#6041822)
The answer to that question played for teams that went 890-1,273, a .411 winning percentage. I wonder how many 40 WAR players have a worse WP than that.

   21. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 27, 2021 at 12:40 AM (#6041841)
Steve Carlton had a Top Five MVP finish for a team that went 59-97.
   22. salvomania Posted: September 27, 2021 at 10:55 AM (#6041890)
Answer here.

The "Answer" led his league in losses one year while having a 114 ERA+ and 4.0 WAR, and his nephew led the other league in losses 33 years later while having a 110 ERA+ and 4.9 WAR.
   23. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: September 27, 2021 at 11:02 AM (#6041891)
Answer in 19 was also Bruce Berenyi's uncle. One of those names I remember finding very curious as a ten-year old collecting baseball cards in the early '80s.

Edit: too funny that salvo and I both looked at the Answer's bbref page and pulled out the family connection.
   24. salvomania Posted: September 27, 2021 at 11:39 AM (#6041900)
Speaking of the "Answer," I was at my in-laws this weekend and my father-in-law had mentioned a few times in the past his old baseball card collection, and I asked to see it this time, and he pulled out his boxes of mostly mid- to late-60s and early'70s cards, with many older cards as well, including a 1952 that I didn't recognize.

Anyway, one of these cards was I think a 1961 Angels card of the "Answer" and I was surprised because I hadn't realized he had hung around so long.

The F.I.L. had his cards mostly organized in stacks of a single team, so thumbing through a stack you'd see several years of Bob Gibsons, or Hank Aarons, or more random players, and it was blast seeing a stack of Seattle Pilots cards---the early numbers all had the blank airbrushed caps but the later numbers in the set had players in the actual Pilots uniforms.

The league leaders cards were fun, too, seeing Harmon Killebrew, Boog Powell, and Mickey mantle together on a card.

I hope I expressed enough enthusiasm over the cards that he'll remember that and make a note in his will.
   25. Adam Starblind Posted: September 27, 2021 at 01:12 PM (#6041919)
The 80s called: They want their mark of distinction back.
   26. Ned Garvin: Male Prostitute Posted: September 27, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6042010)
Here's the real irony: last year, the entire Orioles team didn't even make it to 20-20.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: September 27, 2021 at 05:41 PM (#6042013)
Here's the real irony


Or you posting in this thread and it not having anything to do with the Answer.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM (#6042015)
Didn't anybody notice? ... "The Answer" played for the St Louis Browns so apparently 'tis a franchise tradition ... if I may be so bold as to recognize the Browns as the baseball forefathers of the Orioles.
   29. Ned Garvin: Male Prostitute Posted: September 27, 2021 at 06:11 PM (#6042020)
@27 I post so infrequently, I forgot what my username was until you mentioned it! I missed my chance at fame and timeliness.

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