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Thursday, March 24, 2011

Murray Chass on Baseball: STAN MUSIAL NO MAN OF HONOR, MR. PRESIDENT

This is more outrageous than Borrah Minevitch and his Harmonica Rascals complete career!

With the economy and international turmoil, President Obama has enough headaches; he doesn’t need any more. But his staff has created one for him with its failure to investigate fully the career and life of Stan Musial before recommending him for a Presidential Medal of Freedom that Obama bestowed on him last month.

It turns out that the 90-year-old Musial is not the Saint Stan he is considered in St. Louis. For sure, Musial remains the great player he was in his Hall of Fame career and deserves all of the accolades he has received for his achievements in that career.

As a person, however, he left much to be desired. Marvin Miller raised the issue in a recent conversation and provided the evidence to make his case. It is a convincing one.

...“Curt Flood organized this group of African-American players,” Miller related, “He got together a group that had known Musial as a teammate and they thought it was appropriate that they should go. As he said to me, ‘We didn’t always dress up but that night we did. We wore freshly pressed pants, shirts, ties, jackets and off we went to help celebrate with our former teammate.

“When we got to the restaurant, the maitre d’ refused to seat us,” Flood told Miller.

“He said they wanted to know why that was,” Miller continued, “and the maître d’ finally pointed around the restaurant and said, ‘Do you see any black faces here?’ Flood said he asked ‘Is this your idea?’ No, he said. The owner had given him instructions. They left.”

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   101. Guapo Posted: March 24, 2011 at 08:31 PM (#3777610)
Chass: KIRK GIBSON- THE SLOWEST HOME RUN TROT I'VE EVER SEEN
Chass: JIM MORRIS- THE STUDENTS HE ABANDONED AND THE FAILURE OF AMERICAN PUBLIC EDUCATION
Chass: SANDY KOUFAX- YOU COULD HAVE PITCHED ON YOM KIPPUR IF YOU HADN'T SINNED SO MUCH
   102. Steve Phillips' Hot Cougar (DrStankus) Posted: March 24, 2011 at 08:42 PM (#3777627)
Why do we care what some random blogger writes?
   103. Dave Spiwak Posted: March 24, 2011 at 08:44 PM (#3777629)
Chass: "COWBOY" JOE WEST- NO COWBOY AFTER AT ALL: DRIVES CADILLAC, TOO LARGE TO RIDE HORSE
   104. PepTech Posted: March 24, 2011 at 08:47 PM (#3777630)
with its failure to investigate fully the career and life of Stan Musial


This is an Onion article, isn't it? It has to be.
   105. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 24, 2011 at 08:51 PM (#3777631)
Chass: PETE ROSE – DESPITE EVERYTHING, HE REGRETS NOTHING
Chass: YOGI BERRA – (SHOVE)
Chass: ROBERTO CLEMENTE – HE DIED ON PURPOSE IN ORDER TO GET THE HALO EFFECT
   106. Hack Wilson Posted: March 24, 2011 at 08:51 PM (#3777632)
Chass: MADDUX - PROVIDED UMPS WITH HOOKERS AND BLOW TO GET MORE FAVORABLE STRIKE ZONE


Wow, I thought Maddux and Glavine just let the umps beat them at golf, but the above makes sense.
   107. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:01 PM (#3777642)
Chass: MARGE SCHOTT WAS GOOD IN THE BEGINNING, BUT SHE DID NOT GO FAR ENOUGH
Chass: BOB FELLER QUIT ON THE INDIANS IN '41
   108. cardsfanboy Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:07 PM (#3777649)
Wasn't Musial credited with preventing the Cardinals from boycotting a game against the Dodgers and Jackie Robinson?

Looking for a cite...

EDIT: Found a quote from Musial that there was no attempted boycott of the Dodgers and Robinson.


you have the official story and the story that is whispered in legend. The official story is that there was no organized attempt at a boycott, just a few grumblings from a couple of players. The legend is that Slaughter(?I think) attempted to organize a boycott and him and a couple of other players figured if they could get Stan on board the rest would fall in line, so they go up to Stan and ask for him to participate in a boycott, he basically said "I'm playing" and the attempt at the boycott ended right there. (mind you this happened 23 years before I was born so it's not like I could say I knew a guy, who knew a guy type of thing. and Musial has always publicly stated there was no attempt at a boycott)
   109. Dag Nabbit: Sockless Psychopath Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:08 PM (#3777650)
THis is a great, great thread. I saw the post count & was afraid to click on it, but lots of humor.

Chass: GET OVER IT, PRIMATES: YOUR BELOVED JOHN BRATTAIN HASN'T WRITTEN ANYTHING HUMOROUS FOR LIKE A YEAR

Actually, today's the second anniversary of John's death.

Chass: ERNIE BANKS - ONLY PLAYED ONE
Chass: ABNER DOUBLEDAY INVENTED BASEBALL
Chass: THE SHOOTER IN THE GRASSY KNOLL WAS JFK
   110. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:12 PM (#3777655)

Chass: ERNIE BANKS - ONLY PLAYED ONE


Primey.
   111. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:26 PM (#3777665)
THis is a great, great thread. I saw the post count & was afraid to click on it, but lots of humor.

Amazing that it takes Murray Chass to bring us together. I guess he serves some purpose if he can unite this crew.
   112. Bob T Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:27 PM (#3777666)
I think the problem is that we can't understand that Simers is just trying to stir up trouble and he really is just trying to use the lead as a way to...

Oops... Wrong thread.

Wait, maybe Chass is being sarcastic.

No, he's just angry.

Better not tell him about the Medals of Freedom that have gone to Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Whitaker Chambers, and ... the most insidious person ever ... Gregory Peck.

I heard Peck just "pretended" to be Jewish.
   113. Rough Carrigan Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:35 PM (#3777670)
Of course he was pretending. Chass revealed years later that he was actually Mengele. And he used to go to Brazil for the boys. Something about trouble in Thailand, guessed Murray.
   114. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:49 PM (#3777678)
Something about trouble in Thailand, guessed Murray.


A snarkfest comic book starring The Sage Murray Chass? Sign me up.
   115. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:50 PM (#3777680)
From "The Curt Flood Story: The Man Behind the Myth", by Stuart L. Weiss, pp. 67-68:

As for Musial, he referred to the alleged incident only after reading about it in Flood's memoir in 1971. Then he told St. Louis Globe-Democrat columnist Bob Burnes that he could not understand why Flood was writing about it. 'In the first place, that was a long time ago. What point is there in bringing it up now?' In any event, Musial told Burnes, Flood was wrong about what had happened. Musial recalled that he, not the restaurant's maitre d', met Flood at the door at twenty minutes to one in the morning and said, 'Our kitchen closes at twelve thirty.' Musial added, 'I was the one who told him he couldn't come in, and I told him the reason why. I felt bad about it because he was a friend - and a teammate - but I've had to do the same thing many times. Biggie and I always had that rule. It applied to everybody." Sorrowfully, Musial asked, 'Why would he write about that for any reason - and why would he only tell half of the story?' Musial's rhetorical question was well put, although it is quite possible that he and Flood were referring to different occasions.


The passage in question cites a piece by Burnes from April of 1971 (no date), called "The Bench Warmer", which ran in the Globe-Democrat.

Not sure whether or not that makes things any clearer, but I figured I'd provide it for the sake of completeness.
   116. salvomania Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:51 PM (#3777682)
88. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 24, 2011 at 03:48 PM (#3777551)
From # 39:

"Musial turned livid. He said he'd look into it. I never raised the topic with him again, nor did he with me.

"When I returned to the restaurant a few years later, St. Louis was no longer so blatant a Jim Crow town. This time the man at the door nearly piddled with joy.


Worth noting that in the interval between the two incidents, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 became law, with public accomodations provisions that we take for granted today.


I think not: the story claims this happened "some time after" Musial retired, and he retired after the 1963 season. Unless "some time" means a few months, as the legislation was passed in the summer of '64.
   117. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:54 PM (#3777685)
Better not tell him about the Medals of Freedom that have gone to Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Whitaker Chambers, and ... the most insidious person ever ... Gregory Peck.


Not to mention the time Saddam Hussein received the key to the city of Detroit.
   118. tshipman Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:55 PM (#3777687)
Chass: ERNIE BANKS - ONLY PLAYED ONE

Best one so far.
   119. salvomania Posted: March 24, 2011 at 09:58 PM (#3777691)
From Sports Illustrated, 8/23/1976:

Unlike many self-made men from poor backgrounds, Musial is a liberal, and his liberalism seems to deepen as he ages.

"I don't think Polish jokes or Jewish jokes or black jokes are really funny," he said. "My dad came out of Poland and worked like hell all his life. What was funny about that? Pulaski came out of Poland and helped out in the American Revolution. Was that a joke? I've just come back from Poland, and I enjoyed the country, the people and seeing them work hard building high rises. Some of them knew me. I brought my harmonica along and played a little."



I don't know, that just doesn't sound like a racist to me.
   120. Alex_Lewis Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:03 PM (#3777695)
I don't know, that just doesn't sound like a racist to me.


You're right. Racist doesn't go far enough. He's an inhuman monster.
   121. Gamingboy Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:04 PM (#3777697)
Chass- MUNSON SO ARROGANT HE NEVER LET ANYBODY USE HIS LOCKER EVEN WHEN HE WAS GONE

Chass- PETE GRAY COULDN'T CHOKE UP ON THE BAT RIGHT

Chass- HIDEKI MATSUI'S NICKNAME DESTROYS CITIES, KILLS THOUSANDS

Chass- BILL BERGEN DIDN'T HAVE HIS BROTHER'S CHOPS
   122. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:09 PM (#3777701)
Chass: MOE BERG: WHAT IS HE HIDING????
   123. Gamingboy Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:12 PM (#3777702)
Chass- ABRAHAM LINCOLN DIDN'T STAY FOR THE END OF THE PLAY
   124. salvomania Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:21 PM (#3777708)
From the James Hirsch biography Willie Mays: The Life, The Legend, authorized by Mays:

One or two years later [this would be mid-1950s], Mays found himself on a plane with Musial on the way to an All-Star Game. Several black players were in the rear, playing cards, and Musial walked up to them and stood there.
"I'm for playing the game," he told Mays.
"Stan," he said, "you can't play with us. We're all black."
"I want to play."
So Musial sat down and joined them. Mays recalls, "That told me how classy he was, and I never forgot that."
   125. Thok Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:26 PM (#3777710)
Chass- MIKE SCOSCIA-ABUSING RADIOACTIVE PERFORMANCE ENHANCERS SINCE 1992
Chass- MARK MCGWIRE-SPYING ON US SINCE 1999
Chass- DARYL STRAWBERRY-BROUGHT TO TEARS BY TWO KIDS THEN PULLED IN THE BOTTOM OF THE NINTH
   126. Guapo Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:32 PM (#3777712)
One or two years later [this would be mid-1950s], Mays found himself on a plane with Musial on the way to an All-Star Game. Several black players were in the rear, playing cards, and Musial walked up to them and stood there.
"I'm for playing the game," he told Mays.
"Stan," he said, "you can't play with us. We're all black."
"I want to play."
So Musial sat down and joined them. Mays recalls, "That told me how classy he was, and I never forgot that."


Chass: STAN MUSIAL- INVETERATE GAMBLER

"I spoke with Jacoby & Meyers, two lawyers with no direct or indirect knowledge of the subject matter, and they told me that Stan Musial was a gambling addict who liked nothing more than defeating black people in different types of games."
   127. Dag Nabbit: Sockless Psychopath Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:47 PM (#3777722)
Chass - OZZIE GUILLEN IS MILD-MANNERED
Chass - WILLIE MAYS DIDN'T SAY HEY TO ME
   128. Tim McCarver's Orange Marmalade Posted: March 24, 2011 at 10:51 PM (#3777727)
Chass - McCarver really hated *it*, but loved orange marmalade.
   129. bjhanke Posted: March 24, 2011 at 11:06 PM (#3777732)
The quote from comment #39 et al is in Flood's original autobiography The Way It Is. I love that book, and remember the incident well. Flood was very careful to make the context clear that he was DEFENDING Musial from any accusations of racism, pointing out how embarrassed Stan was to find out that his and Biggie's restaurant still practiced Jim Crow. And so, which is what impressed Flood, Stan went right down to the restaurant and fixed the problem. In context, it is very clear that Flood thought a lot of Stan Musial. The only negative thing he had to say was that Musial, like Mays, tended to see the world through the rose-colored glasses of their own successes. Flood made the specific comparison to Mays. I think it's safe to assume that Flood had no racial problems with Willie Mays. - Brock Hanke
   130. Repoz Posted: March 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3777738)
Speaking of restaurants...

From the new Campy book (muy excello records thus far).

"Some also whispered about DiMaggio and his San Francisco restaurant, "where Negroes can't even call on the phone for a sandwich and have it handed to them on the sidewalk".
   131. Bob Evans Posted: March 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3777745)
Chass: LENA BLACKBURNE: ACTUALLY A DUDE
   132. Bob Evans Posted: March 24, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3777747)
Chass: HUGHIE JENNINGS' WELL-KNOWN ORGASM CRY
   133. jingoist Posted: March 24, 2011 at 11:39 PM (#3777748)
I apologize for my post #4 by naievely repsonding to a article from someone whom I am now learning is not worthy of our review or comment other than to repudiate his ignorant assertion.

I am thrilled to learn that Stan was a veritable paragon of virtue as it related to assisting with the integration of MLB. My father's favorite and certainly one of mine, Stan's character rings true today.
   134. Bob Evans Posted: March 24, 2011 at 11:42 PM (#3777749)
Chass: HONUS WAGNER CAN'T SPELL "HANS"
   135. depletion Posted: March 24, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3777752)
This is the third time Murray has taken the word, without corroboration, of a bitter 95-year-old man with a spotty memory, and each time been exceedingly, thoroughly incorrect. At some point, you'd think he'd realize that ol' Marv isn't quite the reliable source.

SoSH's #74 above. Last year Marvin Miller was interviewed on the Mike&Mike; radio show. Miller was barely paying attention to the questions and going off a bit about how steroids are OK for you. He sounded a bit senile. Given his age it's understandable.

Chass: LEAVE IT TO BEAVER – HA HA, VERY FUNNY

This pretty much rules.
   136. mex4173 Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3777760)
Chass: OZZIE SMITH, NO SENSE OF DIRECTION
Chass: STEVE SAX, NEW YORK'S WORST SERIAL KILLER
Chass: FERGUSON NEVER KILLED ANYTHING
Chass: LAJOIE NEVER LEAD FRENCH
Chass: KEELER HIT IT WHERE THEY WERE
   137. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3777769)
Chass: JIM BOUTON – COPYCAT
Chass: SATCHEL PAIGE – THE MAN WHO HAD NOTHING TO SAY
Chass: FAB FIVE – THIS IS ABOUT THE 1971 ORIOLES STARTING ROTATION, RIGHT?
   138. esseff Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3777772)
The passage in question cites a piece by Burnes from April of 1971 (no date), called "The Bench Warmer", which ran in the Globe-Democrat.


The Bench Warmer was the title of Burnes' column, which is all he wrote from Globe, at least at that stage of his career.
   139. Go-Kart Mozart Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:29 AM (#3777773)
Chass: DON BAYLOR WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY A MAJORITY OF THE TIME
Chass: DUSTY BAKER THOUGHT ABOUT LETTING BONDS PITCH THE 8TH AND 9TH INNINGS OF GAME 6 IN THE 2002 WS
Chass: MARK WHITEN GREATEST HOME RUN HITTER OF ALL TIME (ON 9/7/1993)
Chass: CHRISTY MATHEWSON FOR AMOS RUSIE NOT SUCH A BAD TRADE AFTER ALL
Chass: GEORGE BRETT NEVER HAD HEMMORHOIDS, JUST REALLY BAD DIARRHEA
   140. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:30 AM (#3777774)
Chass: JAMES BELL TEPID CHILDLESS AND SLOW TO RETIRE
   141. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3777781)
Chass: CATFISH HUNTER NEVER HUNTED CATFISH
Chass: ICHIRO HAS SECRET LAST NAME, WHAT IS HE HIDING?
Chass: SALTALAMACCHIA SOUNDS LIKE AN APPETIZER TO ME
Chass: PETE ROSE OWES ME TWENTY BUCKS, THE BUM
Chass: CLEMENTE HELPED NAZIS ESCAPE TO PARAGUAY
   142. Good cripple hitter Posted: March 25, 2011 at 12:51 AM (#3777783)
Chass: MARK BELANGER HAD NO RANGE
Chass: I HAVE NO OPINION OF KINGMAN'S PERFORMANCE
Chass: BLUE MOON ODOM COMES AROUND FREQUENTLY... TO WHOREHOUSES
   143. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3777785)
CHASS: "OWNERSHIP IS FULL OF REDS; CITES REVENUE SHARING" - MILLER
CHASS: MEDICALERT LADY WAS JUST LOOKING FOR ATTENTION, SHE COULD GET UP ALLRIGHT
CHASS: BIG MAC SPECIAL SAUCE NOTHING SPECIAL AT ALL, MR. MCDONALD
   144. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:17 AM (#3777787)
Chass: CHIPPER JONES SAYS MUSIAL SHOT JFK
   145. depletion Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3777788)
CHASS: SHUTDOWN WAS FORCED ON DEREK BELL
   146. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:21 AM (#3777790)
CHASS: CALCULUS CAME EASILY FOR ME IN HIGH SCHOOL
   147. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:23 AM (#3777795)
CHASS: GREATEST GAME EVER? TIED ALL-STAR GAME
   148. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:27 AM (#3777798)
CHASS: BABE RUTH, BLACK; JACKIE ROBINSON, WHITE
   149. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:28 AM (#3777800)
CHASS: IF I HADN'T TURNED VIDA BLUE ON TO ACID, NO ONE WOULD REMEMBER HIM NOW
   150. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3777803)
Chass: REMEMBER WHEN MARVIN MILLER TOLD ME TOM VERDUCCI DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIM FOR THE HALL OF FAME, SO I PUBLISHED THAT WITHOUT ASKING VERDUCCI, ONLY IT TURNED OUT THAT VERDUCCI DID VOTE FOR MILLER FOR THE HALL OF FAME? I DON'T
   151. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:35 AM (#3777804)
CHASS: RUTH WASN'T WORTH HOOVER MONEY
   152. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:37 AM (#3777806)
Chass: MY PERSONAL JOURNALISM LESSON (from December 12, 2010)

Link

No matter how many years or decades one toils in this reporting/writing business (I almost wrote newspaper business, but you’re not holding this in your hands and folding pages, are you?), it is never too late to learn something or have a previously learned lesson reinforced.

Such a moment occurred for me last week when a mistake I made reminded me that a reporter always has to check and verify his information and not take any information for granted. In writing a column about Marvin Miller’s latest failure to be elected to the Hall of Fame, I incorrectly identified one of the five members of the committee who blocked Miller’s election.

Tom Verducci wrote in his SI.com blog that contrary to what I wrote, he voted for Miller...

When I reported his alleged no vote, I was basing it on what Miller told me he had heard. Miller was not wrong for telling me what he heard; I was wrong for reporting it without checking it. The blame is strictly mine.

In 99.99 percent – no, make that 100 percent – of previous articles or columns, I checked something like that and confirmed it to my satisfaction before writing it. I should have done that in this instance and not taken a shortcut, but I was unable to because I was out of the country on vacation with no access to information, such as telephone numbers or e-mail addresses, for people who might have known....


Chass: I GUESS I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON VACATION AGAIN WHEN I WROTE THE STAN MUSIAL ARTICLE
   153. WhoWantsTeixeiraDessert Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:38 AM (#3777808)
CHASS: NO, DUDE, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A BOYFRIEND, MARVIN MILLER TOLD ME SHE "LIKE" LIKES ME
   154. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:45 AM (#3777811)
CHASS: "COUNT CHOCULA" NOT PART OF A BALANCED BREAKFAST
   155. Jick Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:46 AM (#3777812)
Chass: MARK FIDRYCH ACTUALLY A MAMMAL
Chass: ANNE FRANK CAN'T PLAY HIDE-AND-GO-SEEK FOR ####
   156. Dock Ellis Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:46 AM (#3777813)
Chass: ROBIN ROBERTS - NEVER WON A CY YOUNG, EVEN IN HIS PRIME
Chass: DEREK JETER - NEVER HAD A TOTAL ZONE OVER 5
Chass: FRANK TANANA - WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH HIM?
   157. Jick Posted: March 25, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#3777814)
Chass: MADELEINE ALBRIGHT IS A STONE-COLD FOX
   158. Esoteric Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:02 AM (#3777816)
Some of these fake Chass headlines have been absolute dynamite.
Chass: APRIL 25, 1976: THE DAY RICK MONDAY RUINED FATHER AND SON BONDING
This one might be my favorite.
   159. Leroy Kincaid Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3777822)
Mmmmm...negro sidewalk sandwich.
   160. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:40 AM (#3777833)
Chass: ROLLIE FINGERS – THE STORY OF THE FAKE MUSTACHE
Chass: JAIME MOYER – NOT THAT OLD
Chass: OSCAR CHARLESTON – NEVER SAW HIM PLAY
   161. phredbird Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:47 AM (#3777838)
Chass: OSCAR CHARLESTON – NEVER SAW HIM PLAY


trying to WORK here!
   162. SteveM. Posted: March 25, 2011 at 02:56 AM (#3777843)
Better not tell him about the Medals of Freedom that have gone to Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Whitaker Chambers, and ... the most insidious person ever ... Gregory Peck.


Would you prefer they give one to Alger Hiss? Why group Whitaker Chambers with Rumsfield and Cheney? Hey, why not ones for the Rosenbergs? Or Harry Dexter White? Or David Greenglass?
   163. mex4173 Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:00 AM (#3777844)
Chass: PAUL DEAN - NOT A DUCK
Chass: THOMSON SHOT ONLY HEARD IN PART OF WORLD
Chass: CARTER DIDN'T TOUCH THEM ALL
Chass: OZZIE SMITH UNABLE TO CAST SPELLS
   164. bobm Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:18 AM (#3777853)
Chass: EDDIE GAEDEL - A GIANT AMONG MEN
   165. phredbird Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:20 AM (#3777854)
Chass: DYKSTRA COULD BUY A TEAM WITH ASHTRAY MONEY
   166. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:27 AM (#3777857)
Chass: MIKE SCHMIDT: “I SUCKED AT BASEBALL”
Chass: JONAH KERI – WHO'S THIS ####### NOW?
Chass: NOMAR GARCIAPARRA – HE LET THOSE TWO WOMEN DROWN
   167. DanG Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:28 AM (#3777858)
Chass: DECEPTION REVEALED - 'BABE' MOVIE IS ABOUT A PIG!
   168. bobm Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:34 AM (#3777861)
Chass - RIPKEN JR. ESTRANGED FROM HIS KIDS: "DAD WAS ALWAYS AT WORK"
   169. tshipman Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:36 AM (#3777862)
Chass: BRIAN WILSON'S BEARD FAKE, ANNOYING
Chass: DISCO DEMOLITION NIGHT A SMASHING SUCCESS
Chass: FISK WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO WAVE IT FOUL
Chass: LOU GHERIG ONLY SECOND LUCKIEST MAN ALIVE
Chass: BOYS OF SUMMER PLAYED IN SPRING AND AUTUMN AS WELL
   170. Dag Nabbit: Sockless Psychopath Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:42 AM (#3777865)
Chass: THE RED SOX WILL NEVER WIN IT ALL WITH FENWAY PARK
Chass: HARRY CARAY SUPPORTED TEMPERANCE
Chass: SATCHEL PAIGE LOOKED BACK
   171. bobm Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:46 AM (#3777869)
Chass: I DO CARE IF I NEVER GET BACK
Chass: MUDVILLE OVERJOYED DESPITE CASEY STRIKEOUT
   172. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:50 AM (#3777875)
Chass: JOE DIMAGGIO- NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO HIT IN 57 STRAIGHT
Chass: CY YOUNG- NEVER WON A CY YOUNG AWARD
Chass: WADE BOGGS- WHO WILL SPEAK FOR THE CHICKENS
   173. McCoy Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:51 AM (#3777877)
Chass: RYNE SANDBERG WAS NOT A RHINO, MR. CARAY.
   174. McCoy Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:52 AM (#3777878)
Chass: LOU GEHRIG TOO GOOD EVEN FOR HIS OWN DISEASE.
   175. My Grate Friend Peason's pants are rankled Posted: March 25, 2011 at 03:57 AM (#3777879)
Chass: SHANE VICTORINO – AS MUCH A SLAVE TO GRAVITY AS THE REST OF US
Chass: RICK ANKIEL – HE SHOULD TRY PITCHING
Chass: DUKE – MY PICK TO WIN THIS MARCH CHAOS
   176. Guapo Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:06 AM (#3777883)
Chass: DOTTY KAMENSHEK- THAT DRESS MAKES YOUR BUTT LOOK BIG
Chass: PIE TRAYNOR- WORST DESSERT EVER
   177. Dock Ellis Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:10 AM (#3777884)
Chass: PAVEMENT IS NOT A VERY GOOD BAND
   178. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:19 AM (#3777888)
Chass: EDDIE A IS NOT KEVIN, MR DIAL
   179. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:21 AM (#3777889)
Chass: YOU KNOW WHO ELSE VOTED FOR DICK ALLEN? HITLER
   180. J. Lowenstein Apathy Club Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:21 AM (#3777890)
Chass: TOM GAMBOA WAS ASKING FOR IT
   181. CrosbyBird Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:24 AM (#3777892)
Chass: CHRIS TRUBY - NOT ACTUALLY A PRACTICING SATANIST
Chass: HIS FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY
   182. Monty Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:27 AM (#3777894)
Chass: I SHOUT ALL MY HEADLINES!
   183. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:27 AM (#3777895)
Chass: LEMASTER NOT DISASTER
Chass: WIND, NOT LUCY, REASON FOR MISSED FOOTBALL
   184. CrosbyBird Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:29 AM (#3777896)
Chass: MORDECAI BROWN - ACTUALLY HAD EIGHT FINGERS
   185. Dag Nabbit: Sockless Psychopath Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:32 AM (#3777899)
Chass: RICK MANNING IS A GOOD FRIEND TO HAVE
Chass: RAFAEL PALMEIRO WAS A GOOD TEAMMATE TO HAVE
   186. Eric P. Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:33 AM (#3777900)
Chass: THERE IS CRYING IN BASEBALL
   187. Andere Richtingen Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:36 AM (#3777902)
If you read Chass's article imagining it in Stephen Colbert's investigative journalism voice, it totally makes sense.
   188. Andere Richtingen Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:38 AM (#3777903)
And of course, the real monster in this is Curt Flood. First, he goes to the restaurant with a date and finds that they won't seat black people. Then, he gets all of his fellow African American teammates together, all dressed up, and sets them up for this humiliation. What a bastard!
   189. rr Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:39 AM (#3777904)
Chass: JOHN BRATTAIN: NOT A PLUS IF ON THIS THREAD
   190. bobm Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:39 AM (#3777905)
Chass: 1979 PITTSBURGH PIRATES' PLAYERS NOT ACTUALLY RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER
Chass: TOP TRANSACTION OF 1973: PETERSON & KEKICH TRADE
   191. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 25, 2011 at 04:55 AM (#3777911)
Chass: BLACK SOX PLAYERS NOT ACTUALLY BLACK
Chass: SEAN CASEY - STUFFED BALLOT BOXES TO BE ELECTED MAYOR
   192. mex4173 Posted: March 25, 2011 at 05:49 AM (#3777925)
Chass: ED YOST SOMETIMES RAN
Chass: AL0U ONLY URINATES IN TOLIETS
Chass: SAN FRANCISCO PLAYERS NO MORE LIKELY TO BE LARGE
   193. McCoy Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:03 AM (#3777927)
Chass: MIKE HARGROVE CANNOT MAKE IT RAIN
Chass: RICKEY HENDERSON WONDERS WHO IS RICKEY HENDERON
   194. Walt Davis Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:11 AM (#3777930)
Chass: FRANCISCO FRANCO IS NOT STILL DEAD

Chass: TELEGRAMS SET TO MAKE COMEBACK STOP
   195. hunting for a halo-red october Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:17 AM (#3777931)
This is possibly one of the greatest threads I've seen on BBTF. My stomach hurts from all of the guffawing. Bookmarking it for posterity's sake.

I demand that it live on forever, like the NBA and NHL threads.
   196. hunting for a halo-red october Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:19 AM (#3777933)
CHASS: LUKE SCOTT - NOT A RACIST, JUST ASKING TO SEE ONE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
   197. Jick Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:29 AM (#3777936)
195 - You'd like this thread from last year, then:

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/hardball_talk_gleeman_lenny_dykstra_is_back_with_some_more_cant_miss_invest/P0/
   198. McCoy Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:31 AM (#3777938)
Chass: SUPERMAN NO MAN OF STEEL, JUST ALIEN DNA
Chass: NOT DOG'S DAY TODAY, CAT WINS
   199. An Athletic in Powderhorn, Silly Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:33 AM (#3777940)
Chass: GEHRIG - LAZY HUN WHO USED OWN RETIREMENT CEREMONY TO BRAG ABOUT SEXUAL CONQUESTS
Chass: LUTHER HOY NO "DUMMY", JUST STUCK UP
Chass: RUBE WADDELL'S HISTORY OF ARSON REVEALED
   200. Monty Posted: March 25, 2011 at 06:52 AM (#3777943)
Chass: HELEN OF TROY BARELY LAUNCHED 400 SHIPS
Chass: ELEPHANT MAN NOT REALLY A PACHYDERM
Chass: DENNIS THE MENACE QUITE CHARMING IN PERSON

Also, all of these are funnier with "MR. PRESIDENT" added to the end.
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