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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Monday, December 12, 2011Murray Chass: RAYS’ G.M. SHOWS LOYALTY; PUJOLS?
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Posted: December 12, 2011 at 03:09 AM | 23 comment(s)
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1. Coot Veal and Cot Deal taste like Old Bay Posted: December 12, 2011 at 04:44 AM (#4013775)well, Maf is Hard. So hard U gotta half ppl to do it for U.
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This, pretty much. I doubt "loyalty" had all that much to do with it. Tampa is simply a much better job right now.
If Friedman wants to be GM of the Astros, he can apply in five years, after they fire the new guy for not turning the team around by then.
Look how quickly Michael Jordan has turned.
You might even go so far as to say they came up with an offer that sounded competitive, but really wasn't. $30 million deferred with no interest for 20 years doesn't sound like a proposal you expect someone to accept.
Yeah, he's such an arrogant selfish jerk now.
Michael Jordan fan, but...LOL!
The biggest issue is that if they left, the team would have to buy out their share(so there is no conflict of interest), which means that it's a very large exit fee. A 3% stake in a team valued at $700 million becomes a $21 million buy out.
Agents would recognize this as a great bargaining position. Teams don't want to lose liquidity so they could easily be leveraged into much higher contracts simply because they can't afford not to do it.
It's an interesting idea, but I don't think any owner wants to have to deal with that potential, so I doubt it ever happens.
You could make it a post-retirement payment to get around some of these issues.
But it seems to me the real problem here is that you only get to do such a deal maybe once or twice. You can't go around giving away 5% of equity to every big name FA your team signs over the next 50 years.
Perhaps more realistic is a Hollywood type of approach where a player gets a cut of team revenue. Or an attendance clause.
Bialystock and Bloom (and Madoff) beg to differ.
Capital gains are taxed at a far lower rate than earned income.... shouldn't be, at least across the board, but are.
As SOLockwood pointed out:
This was exactly the case with Rogers Hornsby and the St. Louis Cardinals. Hornsby was given stock because the Cardinals were short of cash. When Hornsby was traded to the Giants after the 1926 season, principal owner Sam Breadon and Hornsby disagreed on the value of the stock. In order to keep the case out of the courts, the other NL owners made up the difference.
John McGraw owned a piece of the Baltimore Orioles, also a cash poor organization at the time which had no majority owner. AL President Ban Johnson wanted to move the team to New York. New York Giants owner Andrew Freedman was opposed to this idea and bought out enough of the shareholders, including McGraw, to become the Orioles' majority owner. He then sold most of the Orioles' good players, including McGraw, to the Giants and some of the rest to the Cincinnati Reds, owned by his friend John T. Brush. This lead to the Orioles being unable to field a team. Johnson took players from other AL teams and assigned them to the Orioles. The Orioles did move to New York and become the Yankees.
So having players as part owners has been tried, has not worked out well, and has been largely prohibited.
While looking this up, I ran across rule 20(a), which covers ownership of more than one team. It's not against the rule as long as the entity does own more than 5% of any team. So the New York Times can own small pieces of the Yankees and the Red Sox and George F. Will can own small pieces of the Padres and the Orioles (does he still?). These were obvious conflicts of interest which bothered me and it bothered me that Bud was doing nothing about it.
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