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Nationals Owner Says Team Cant Afford Stephen Strasburg and Anthony Rendon

tl;dr “Beyond tapped out”

Lerner also suggested the free agency process is generally misunderstood outside of baseball circles.

“They think you’re really back there printing money and it’s whoever goes to the highest bidder,” Lerner said. “It’s not that way at all. You give these fellas—there’s a negotiation that goes on, but…We’ve been pretty successful in free agency over time. You’re not going to get everybody. Certain players may want to go home, closer to where their home is. You never know the reason why people move on.

Bote Man Posted: December 06, 2019 at 08:24 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: anthony rendon, cheap owners, nationals, payrolls, strasburg

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: December 06, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5906294)
You never know the reason why people move on.

Follow the money.
   2. The Duke Posted: December 06, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5906306)
I don’t think they should be crying about being poor. Maybe a better answer would be that we don’t want to be saddled with extra-ordinarily large contracts for two players in their decline years. They seem willing to be somewhat saddled. I was happy the Cardinals moved on from pujols. The fans will cut them a break as long as they don’t just pocket the money
   3. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 06, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5906342)
Teams cry poor because it's great PR, and it works. Fans have never cared about the players' economic well-being, and never will.
   4. Bote Man Posted: December 06, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5906385)
The Nationals are looking at a windfall from winning the World Series, plus the MASN money which juuuuuuuuuust might finally be coming. Crying poor now is an out-and-out lie. Their "luxury tax" just reset, so that excuse doesn't even hold water.

Also, I'm not sure why this post was published when QLE had earlier published the same story. I really wish moderators would coordinate efforts, or at least look at what has already been published so discussions don't get fragmented across multiple threads carrying the same topic.
   5. McCoy Posted: December 07, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5906489)
What world series windfall?
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 07, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5906543)
What world series windfall?

A bunch of extra ticket and concessions revenue from all the post-season games, increased merchandise sales, and a big boost in attendance and ratings next year.

Pretty sure it's best analyzed and just making the playoffs is worth like $20M.
   7. McCoy Posted: December 07, 2019 at 02:12 PM (#5906586)
So that's the windfall that's going to pay these multiyear contracts?
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 07, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5906594)
So that's the windfall that's going to pay these multiyear contracts?

Well, if simply making the playoffs is worth $20M, winning the World Series has to be worth $50M+.

The Nationals drew 2.25M fans last year, 11 out of 15 in the NL. Houston got something like a 500K boost in attendance after the World Series. If Washington gets that at their average ticket price of $44, that's $22M right there. Add is concessions and it's probably $40M p.a, and that bump will persist for several years.

If the bump in attendance goes $40M, $30M, $20M, $15M, $10M, that's $115M right there, or about half of Strasburg or Rendon, and we haven't even discussed ticket price increases, and increases TV revenue yet.

If they can increase average ticket prices from $44 to $48, that's another $11M p.a.

It's pretty easy to imagine a scenario where the World Series win pays for most of a Rendon or Strasburg type contract.
   9. McCoy Posted: December 07, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5906604)
They want both players and everybody else as well not just one of the two.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 07, 2019 at 04:09 PM (#5906610)
They want both players and everybody else as well not just one of the two.

Right. The point is, if they could afford one of the two before the World Series win, they likely can afford both now.

They've run a $200M payroll for the past three years. With the World Series win, they can probably afford $220M.

Right now they're committed to $116M in 2020. They can give Strasburg and Rendon $30M each, and still be fine.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 07, 2019 at 04:14 PM (#5906613)
If the bump in attendance goes $40M, $30M, $20M, $15M, $10M, that's $115M right there, or about half of Strasburg or Rendon, and we haven't even discussed ticket price increases, and increases TV revenue yet.
Actually, the impact doesn’t have to diminish year-by-year. Building a franchise is a multi-year process, and if the Nationals can put several years with some regular season & playoff success together they could turn a corner, making 35,000 - 40,000 per game attendance with higher TV ratings routine. The Nationals perhaps surprising WS win provides a rare opportunity to build on that success by investing in the team.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 07, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5906620)
Actually, the impact doesn’t have to diminish year-by-year. Building a franchise is a multi-year process, and if the Nationals can put several years with some regular season & playoff success together they could turn a corner, making 35,000 - 40,000 per game attendance with higher TV ratings routine. The Nationals perhaps surprising WS win provides a rare opportunity to build on that success by investing in the team.

Absolutely.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 07, 2019 at 06:24 PM (#5906640)
Didn't the Orioles just pay them $99 million for their territorial rights dispute?
   14. Sunday silence Posted: December 07, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5906706)
Add is concessions and it's probably $40M p.a, and that bump will persist for several years.


Are you sure this is correct? We've had this discussion before and I was left with the impression that a lot of concession money goes to third party vendors. are you sure this is direct revenue for WAS?

Also what evidence do you have these sorts of bumps persist? From what I've seen, small market teams e.g. CIN PIT KC seem to get a one time boost and then further pennants or division wins dont really keep fans coming to the gates. Maybe WAS is different?
   15. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: December 07, 2019 at 10:46 PM (#5906711)
Crying poor now is an out-and-out lie.


What, as opposed to the other things that owners of baseball teams say? The Lords of the Realm do not have a gift for veracity.
   16. Sunday silence Posted: December 08, 2019 at 12:05 AM (#5906735)
Seriously the Nats have been putting quality teams out there for at least the last 5, or 6 seasons? Last I checked they have at least as manu blue chip players (say 3 WAR) as NYY and LAD. And the last few seasons the same thing.

They brought home the championship. I really think fans will cut them some slack on whether they keep one or both

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