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Wednesday, December 18, 2019

Navy denies Red Sox prospect’s request to delay service time so he could play baseball

The Boston Red Sox may lose one of their most promising young pitchers for the next two seasons. Prospect Noah Song attempted to obtain a waiver that would allow him to delay his military service time so he could pursue a career in baseball. The Navy denied that request, according to Bill Wagner of the Capital Gazette.

If that ruling holds, the 22-year-old Song will spend the next two years in active service. Song is planning to report to flight school in Pensacola and will not be able to re-apply for a waiver until those two years are up.

Song had hoped to delay that service after President Donald Trump pushed the Department of Defense to create new guidelines that would allow athletes at military academies to play professionally after they graduate.

Trump argued that athletes only have a limited amount of time “during which playing professional sports is realistically possible.” Under the new guidelines, military athletes would either have to eventually fulfill their active service obligations in the future, or pay back the cost of their education, according to the Gazette.

 

QLE Posted: December 18, 2019 at 02:08 AM | 55 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bug Selig Posted: December 18, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5909593)
"We'll show him! We'll spend upwards of a million dollars teaching him to fly planes and *then*, when his skills have atrophied for two years, we will allow him to pursue baseball and *not* fly planes for us. Everybody loses!"

When did the Ford family take over the Navy?
   2. Bhaakon Posted: December 18, 2019 at 01:52 PM (#5909618)
I'd be more inclined to let such people serve a substantially longer stint in the reserve rather than just buy out their obligation down the line. The ability to spend ones way out of military service entirely--be it a draft or, in this case, a voluntary obligation--is distasteful for a number of reasons.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 18, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5909625)
I'd be more inclined to let such people serve a substantially longer stint in the reserve rather than just buy out their obligation down the line. The ability to spend ones way out of military service entirely--be it a draft or, in this case, a voluntary obligation--is distasteful for a number of reasons.

Agree. If it was going to be 6 years active duty, make it 20 in the reserves.
   4. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: December 18, 2019 at 01:59 PM (#5909630)
"We'll show him! We'll spend upwards of a million dollars teaching him to fly planes and *then*, when his skills have atrophied for two years, we will allow him to pursue baseball and *not* fly planes for us. Everybody loses!"


I was going to say. It makes no sense to send him to flight school. I know the AF has a 10* year active duty obligation after flight school. Surely (hopefully?) there will be a lengthy reserve obligation after those 2 years are up.

* It was 6 when I graduated, 30 some years ago.
   5. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: December 18, 2019 at 04:03 PM (#5909686)
Is this finallly official? It seems like this has been the expectation all along which seems odd given the recent change.
   6. asinwreck Posted: December 18, 2019 at 05:04 PM (#5909713)
Long-term, what would a non-injury layoff for a couple years mean for a pitcher of Song's age?
   7. Walt Davis Posted: December 18, 2019 at 07:16 PM (#5909762)
How low is John Henry's political capital that he can't get a Navy secretary fired over this?
   8. Hank Gillette Posted: December 18, 2019 at 07:46 PM (#5909769)
Apparently, he was not that highly ranked out of high school. Otherwise, he might have chosen a college that did not have a work requirement after graduation.
   9. Sunday silence Posted: December 18, 2019 at 08:11 PM (#5909771)
URGENT REQUESt: Before this guy drops off the radar screen completely: Where the fawk does the current trend in NOahs come from? Noah was pretty much unheard of before 1970 and now its been no. 1 or 2 for baby names the last 6 years; its basically in hyper drive Which is very great achievement especially as a boys name cause those usually are a little more traditional than girls.

Yes there was the book: The Notebook in 1994 which probably kicked off the latest trend which carried Noah to uber status.MOst of the famous Noahs today were born in the late90s. But it got two other jump starts prior to that in 1968 to 70 it nearly tripled from 120 births to 280 and again in 1980-82 from 900 to 1800.

I dont get it. There's always some reason for these; like a famous person, or song or movie or book. Something. The Rick Springfield character Noah Drake and Yannick Noah both came into prominence after the second surge. The only thing Im coming up with is the actor NOah Beery Jr. who was prominent on TV in both these periods. In 68-70 he was on the TV show Hondo and in the late 70s on Rockford Files.

That's all I got. This guy is the reason why NOah was biggest boy name of the decade? Anyone got any other guesses on this. Please this is bugging the hell out of me.
   10. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: December 18, 2019 at 08:18 PM (#5909772)
6 - That’s an interesting question. I’m no expert but to me there would be two key issues;

1. Conditioning. Obviously being in the Navy he’s going to work out and presumably stay in shape but whatever work out is necessary to get into flying shape is presuamably different from pitching shape. Would he get excessively muscled in ways that retard his ability to throw? I don’t know.

2. Secondary development. How many pitchers do we hear about picking up a new pitch or changing a grip to improve some off speed stuff or simply learn to manage a game better?

The first one is a blind guess but obviously a concern. The second I think is relatively minor in Song’s case. He throws hard (upper 90s) so I suspect that the biggest loss in these two years is any idea he would be a starter. No reason he can’t come back and if he still has that fastball become a very good reliever.

Think about the guys who have made the transition from position player to pitcher after spending a year or more as a position player. Generally those guys are relievers using their strong arms (Wakefield is one exception but obviously that’s a different animal).
   11. Walt Davis Posted: December 18, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5909780)
#6 ... going to war may have saved Bob Feller's career. :-)

#9 ... Part of the general trend for old-fashioned names. Prior to 2013, there had been no MLBer named Caleb. Even in the minors, looks like a half-dozen or so in the 20th century. Over the last 7 years, there have been 7 in the majors. If I counted right, there were 13 Zacharys active in 2019 (some Zach, some Zack, some Zac ... some were middle names) while it looks like there were only 2 (who used it) for the 20th century. There are 6 active Maxes (and it's one of Bryce Harper's names) but at least there were a good number in the 20th century (16). A friend of mine recently gave birth to a Quincy. Another to an Oliver.

Walter, as we know, has been climbing the charts but has yet to crack the majors recently. Oddly, it moves in conjunction with Colt which hasn't broken through recently either (though there is a Colten Brewer).
   12. Bote Man Posted: December 19, 2019 at 02:12 AM (#5909818)
Here's to hoping Zebulon makes a comeback. B-Ref says Jed Lowrie's full name is still Jed, not Jedediah, so that's disappointing.

And let's not forget:
Myron
Harlan
Ralph
Chester
Arthur
Biff

That list of actors was culled from a mere handful of recent Perry Mason episodes, as I have taken to watching the reruns on MeTV. I'm sure we could go even deeper.
   13. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: December 19, 2019 at 07:03 AM (#5909823)
Noah blew up around 1994, at the same time that a bunch of Old Testament names for boys did. Noah, Micah, Cyrus, Jeremiah (which also got a Three Dog Night bump in the early '70s), Elijah, Uriah, Eli, Solomon (which still hasn't regained its early 20th century glory). Something about the Clinton era and the Newt Gingrich election year, something about the World Wide Web, something about the post-Cold War period in general.
   14. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: December 19, 2019 at 07:12 AM (#5909824)
When David Robinson graduated from Annapolis the story is that if he were a regular unathletic midshipman who'd grown to be 7 feet tall, on graduation he'd have been commissioned and immediately given an honorable discharge. But because he was so high profile the Navy kept him in active service for two years, just to demonstrate something about commitment to duty. (Robinson to his credit always seemed to be serious about his commitments.) The Navy has always been the most conservative branch of the military. I'll bet they absolutely hate the idea of someone buying his way out of service. (EDIT: Although that would be a 19th century way of doing things, so maybe if they're extremely conservative, conservative enough to named their kids Ham, Esau, and Preserved.)
   15. PreservedFish Posted: December 19, 2019 at 08:51 AM (#5909829)
Those are all fine names, Fernigal.
   16. Gary Truth Serum Posted: December 19, 2019 at 09:13 AM (#5909832)
Noah blew up around 1994, at the same time that a bunch of Old Testament names for boys did. Noah, Micah, Cyrus, Jeremiah (which also got a Three Dog Night bump in the early '70s)

ER started in 1994 and propelled Noah Wyle to stardom--that probably wasn't a coincidence. George Clooney was a bigger star though and I'm not sure what happened to George names around then.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 19, 2019 at 10:00 AM (#5909842)
When David Robinson graduated from Annapolis the story is that if he were a regular unathletic midshipman who'd grown to be 7 feet tall, on graduation he'd have been commissioned and immediately given an honorable discharge.


It didn't help that he'd been signed up for submarine training. There aren't many places to stash a seven-foot-tall dude on a sub, unless you stuff him in one of the torpedo tubes.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: December 19, 2019 at 10:32 AM (#5909852)
How did they let him sign up for submarine in the first place? I know he shot up during his time as an undergrad, but he was the tallest guy on campus on day one.
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: December 19, 2019 at 10:42 AM (#5909862)
How did they let him sign up for submarine in the first place? I know he shot up during his time as an undergrad, but he was the tallest guy on campus on day one.


I seem to recall he just hit the height limit when he enrolled, but it does seem like they might want to consider the possibility of further growth before letting him go the submarine route.
   20. Darren Posted: December 19, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5909873)
This story is not exactly accurate. The Navy did not recommend his waiver be granted by the decision has not been made yet by the US Gov officials in charge.
   21. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: December 19, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5909876)
Darren - I've seen it described as "the waiver has not been recommended" and "recommended the waiver be denied" which is a minor wording but significant meaning difference.
   22. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: December 19, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5909878)
1. Conditioning. Obviously being in the Navy he’s going to work out and presumably stay in shape but whatever work out is necessary to get into flying shape is presuamably different from pitching shape. Would he get excessively muscled in ways that retard his ability to throw? I don’t know.


I can't speak to current requirements, but when I was going through flight school in the 80's, our daily PT consisted of calisthenics and a 1.5 mile run, followed by some sport like flag football or Bball. No weight training, no bulking up. All cardio.

Re-reading the article, it doesn't say he will get out in 2 years, but merely would be able to apply for a waiver in 2 years. If the Navy spends 2 years training him to be a pilot, they may not just let him go.
   23. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: December 19, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5909882)
@22, I was going to make the same point. If he wants out in 2 years he almost has to find a different route. The argument not to let him out is significantly stronger in 2 years than it is now, of his waiver is denied and he goes to flight school his baseball career is functionally over.
   24. Darren Posted: December 19, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5909883)
Whatever the case, this is one of the very rare situations where I can imagine it making a lot of sense to hold the player to his commitment. You may scare off some possible recruits to the Naval Academy, but it seems like you're looking for someone who's pretty committed to a career in the Navy anyway. If anything, future recruits (and current military folks) may see it as a good thing.
   25. PreservedFish Posted: December 19, 2019 at 11:57 AM (#5909884)
Why'd this dude go to Annapolis? Did he end up pitching much better than he or anyone else thought he could? Or maybe he just didn't realize that he would hate the Navy.
   26. Darren Posted: December 19, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5909887)
By all accounts he loves the Navy. He became a better pitcher than anticipated.
   27. Sunday silence Posted: December 19, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5909899)
Noah blew up around 1994, at the same time that a bunch of Old Testament names for boys did. Noah, Micah, Cyrus, Jeremiah (which also got a Three Dog Night bump in the early '70s), Elijah, Uriah, Eli, Solomon (which still hasn't regained its early 20th century glory). Something about the Clinton era and the Newt Gingrich election year, something about the World Wide Web, something about the post-Cold War period in general.


Yes or a year or two later. That is attributed to the movie the Notebook which starred Ryan Gosling and I guess it was a big hit. You often see chick flicks produce baby names; like previous discussion re Madison and the Tom Hanks movie. Or Charge of the LIght Brigade the old Errol Flynn movie which gave rise to Jeffrey.

THe Old Testament connection seems the obvious connection. The Noah Drake character would have been seen by a lot of young woman as well. The mid 90s surge seems centered upon Iowa and I think Indiana, those two states is where it first seems to get top 50 or so but I havent checked them all.

Still wondering about this...tx
   28. Swoboda is freedom Posted: December 19, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5909995)
Noah blew up around 1994


So there has been a flood of people naming their kid Noah?
   29. Zach Posted: December 19, 2019 at 07:45 PM (#5910076)
There aren't many places to stash a seven-foot-tall dude on a sub, unless you stuff him in one of the torpedo tubes.

Man, no kidding. I was on one once, and there was no personal space at all, anywhere, for anything. They'd have nine people sleeping in a room the size of a walk in closet.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: December 20, 2019 at 12:29 AM (#5910108)
Robinson played in a Division I basketball game at Fairleigh Dickinson in their old Rutherford, NJ gym.

I think the submarine was bigger than that gym.
   31. Rusty Priske Posted: December 20, 2019 at 09:04 AM (#5910121)
A good name for a child is Seven.
It's a beautiful name for a boy or a girl. Especially a girl... Or a boy.
   32. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 20, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5910137)
The best outcome would be for him to be allowed to delay service time. If he actually makes MLB, there will be a ton of free advertising for our armed forces.

After athletic retirement, his service could be mostly public outreach.

   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 20, 2019 at 11:03 AM (#5910142)
The best outcome would be for him to be allowed to delay service time. If he actually makes MLB, there will be a ton of free advertising for our armed forces.

After athletic retirement, his service could be mostly public outreach.


Why can't he serve in the Reserves while he pursues baseball? If he washes out of baseball in his 20s (by far the most likely scenario), he can go back to Active Duty service and fulfill his obligation.

Funny thing is, this guys expected career earnings are probably higher if he becomes a Naval Aviator, and them goes to work for a big airline after he does his 10 or 20.
   34. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 20, 2019 at 11:26 AM (#5910150)

Funny thing is, this guys expected career earnings are probably higher if he becomes a Naval Aviator, and them goes to work for a big airline after he does his 10 or 20.

Likewise, the expected value of the "free advertising" is probably pretty limited unless he becomes at least a minor star.
   35. PreservedFish Posted: December 20, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5910154)
"Hey kids, I'm MLB 8-game winner Noah Song. Have you ever wondered what it takes to fly a Navy jet plane? When I was a member of the 2023 AL Wild Card Game runner-up Red Sox, I used to wonder the same thing."
   36. pikepredator Posted: December 20, 2019 at 11:57 AM (#5910162)
So there has been a flood of people naming their kid Noah?


obvious, yes. Made me laugh, absolutely!!
   37. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 20, 2019 at 12:19 PM (#5910170)
So there has been a flood of people naming their kid Noah?


It started in Arkansas.
   38. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 20, 2019 at 12:21 PM (#5910171)
#12
Bote Man, I love me some Perry Mason. I’m thinking of starting a Paul Drake line of jackets. Who couldn’t use a nice houndstooth?
   39. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: December 20, 2019 at 12:26 PM (#5910172)
Funny thing is, this guys expected career earnings are probably higher if he becomes a Naval Aviator, and them goes to work for a big airline after he does his 10 or 20.


If being the operative word. While the wash out rate for flight school is not as high as baseball, it's pretty high. When I went through, it was 50%
   40. puck Posted: December 20, 2019 at 04:35 PM (#5910206)
So there has been a flood of people naming their kid Noah?



It started in Arkansas.

Before I realized it was a pun Ithough you meant the Ark Encounter thing (the "life sized" Noah's Ark). But that's in Kentucky. My father in law made a detour on a cross country trip to see it. We were frightened he'd want to talk about it, and he did.
   41. Sunday silence Posted: December 20, 2019 at 08:16 PM (#5910226)
Noah blew up around 1994, at the same time that a bunch of Old Testament names for boys did. Noah, Micah, Cyrus, Jeremiah (which also got a Three Dog Night bump in the early '70s), Elijah, Uriah, Eli, Solomon (which still hasn't regained its early 20th century glory)


Elijah has been making slow and steady progress since like 1990. Uriah had a surge in 2008 but remains very low. Micah had a sharp rise in the early 70s and then was stalled and then got a jump in 1995 and is now stalled out at about 100th place. Jeremiah did get a bump in the early 70s, and then another in 97; doing well at 65th.

I was thinking there might be some tie in with the election of Reagan but the rise in these names really seems unconnected to me. If there was one event tying them in, you'd see it all within one year or two. In these cases, they dont all spike at the same time which I would have expected if there was some sort of connection to an event.

Maybe there is a similar sounding name to Noah that cross pollinated. Mystery deepens.
   42. Greg Pope Posted: December 20, 2019 at 08:49 PM (#5910232)
Elijah has been making slow and steady progress since like 1990. Uriah had a surge in 2008 but remains very low. Micah had a sharp rise in the early 70s and then was stalled and then got a jump in 1995 and is now stalled out at about 100th place. Jeremiah did get a bump in the early 70s, and then another in 97; doing well at 65th.

Back in biblical times when everyone only had one name, were there a whole bunch of Noahs, Elijahs, and Jeremiahs? It seems unlikely that all of the prophets just happened to have unique names.
   43. Greg Pope Posted: December 20, 2019 at 08:51 PM (#5910233)
Noah blew up around 1994, at the same time that a bunch of Old Testament names for boys did. Noah, Micah, Cyrus, Jeremiah (which also got a Three Dog Night bump in the early '70s), Elijah, Uriah, Eli, Solomon (which still hasn't regained its early 20th century glory)

I was going to suggest the rise of Kabbalah. But it doesn't quite fit with this timeline, or what Sunday silence says. Madonna joined up in 1996 from what I can find and a lot of celebrities followed. I know virtually nothing about the religion, but it's connected to or based on Judaism. So maybe a lot of followers were reading the Old Testament?
   44. PreservedFish Posted: December 20, 2019 at 09:30 PM (#5910235)
Many fads are unaccountable. You're not gonna find a smoking gun here, guys.
   45. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: December 21, 2019 at 02:10 AM (#5910256)
That won’t stop this thread from reaching 500 posts.
   46. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: December 21, 2019 at 06:15 AM (#5910264)
Back in biblical times when everyone only had one name, were there a whole bunch of Noahs, Elijahs, and Jeremiahs? It seems unlikely that all of the prophets just happened to have unique names.
Supposedly something like 20% of Jewish women in 1st century Palestine were named Mary. There are about six of them in the New Testament. The number is disputed, because it's not always clear when a Mary is a Mary previously referred to, or a different Mary altogether.

The prophet Joshua and Jesus have basically the same name, the former being the Hebrew version and the latter being the Latinization of the Greekification of "Yehoshua", the Aramaic-ification of "Joshua". There's another minor Joshua in the Bible that no one cares about.

Wander around any cemetery in Wales and be stunned at all of the dead people named David Jones.
   47. DJS Thinks Apples and Oranges are Similar Posted: December 21, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5910273)
From the most popular names list, my theory is that 90% of boys are born to the Amish, 90% of girls are born to strippers.
   48. A triple short of the cycle Posted: December 21, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5910282)
Apropos of a weather forecast I read a couple days ago, "Chance Drizzle" would be a cool name.
   49. Howie Menckel Posted: December 21, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5910290)
not as good as "Dick Trickle," but it's ok
   50. base ball chick Posted: December 21, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5910315)
i met a mexican jewish guy named jesus (let's say) Levy - i looked surprised, and he said - and who is more jewish than jesus???

White people be naming their kidz weird names - especially females. and they sneer at names WE name kidz? pls

when you see a sudden naming of a kid some weird name, look on a soap opera or movie that females love. not even that sometimes. there was a bim on a james bond movie named tiffany and then half the girls in my class named tiffany. am glad my own name is rare and unusual (for females my age)

but sometimes popular names come out of like nowhers - like in the late 90s suddenly theres a zillion names for males end with aden/ayden - ayden, brayden, jayden, hayden, kayden, payden/payton (yes, that one swings both ways), zayden

shrug

never see any grrrls named mary or sue or jill or most any name popular in the 50s/60s/70s

never see boys named paul or mark or john or mike no mo
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: December 21, 2019 at 04:01 PM (#5910325)
never see any grrrls named mary or sue or jill or most any name popular in the 50s/60s/70s

fear not, one of my nieces has a 1-year-old named.... Jane
   52. Sunday silence Posted: December 26, 2019 at 05:52 PM (#5911101)
not even that sometimes. there was a bim on a james bond movie named tiffany and then half the girls in my class named tiffany.


The bond girl is Jill ST. John who's character is Tiffany in Diamonds are Forever.

But that didnt trigger the Tiffany ball, it was moving steadily upward all through the 1960s. It was already in the top 100 before the movie. It first gets into the top 1000 in 1962 and the TV, movie, musical tie in is....?

Breakfast at Tiffanys. Its Zenith was the 1980s when it was top 20 every year but one. It has dropped precipitously, there's no more than 80 or 100 a year now.


There's always a tie to any of these names. ALways. Except for NOah I dont get it; at least not the 1970/80 surge. Perhaps there was a local event; Ark display or something.
   53. Sunday silence Posted: December 26, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5911103)
like in the late 90s suddenly theres a zillion names for males end with aden/ayden - ayden, brayden, jayden, hayden,


Its an interesting observation, Lisa. THey all surged at the same time 1990. Im sure there is a tie in somewhere.
   54. McCoy Posted: December 26, 2019 at 06:26 PM (#5911108)
Every so often people fall in love with rarely used letters. X, z, y in the middle of the name.
   55. Sunday silence Posted: December 26, 2019 at 10:01 PM (#5911145)
Skeezicks, Bazumpus and Crozokus say "hello."

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