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Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: December 18, 2020 at 02:28 PM | 3341 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   3301. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 20, 2021 at 01:49 AM (#6019875)
I wonder what the ratings for this game are. Huge success for Adam Silver, I think.


Yeah, but I think the other play-in games played so far would be more the norm for this set-up. Also, this game, as exciting as it was, was not an elimination game since the loser gets a home game against Memphis and can still get in.

Utah breathes a sigh of relief.


So Chris Paul leads PHX to an unexpectedly great season...and now draws James and Davis in a 2/7. PHX can certainly win the series, but the Lakers are likely the most dangerous 7 seed in the history of the 16-team set-up.


If GS had just 1 more decent player they'd be so dangerous.


I pointed out to a buddy today that GS was 15-5 over their last 20; they have been one of the better teams in the NBA over the last several weeks. With the puffed-up blowfish vibe that much of our fanbase has from having a wall full of banners and LeBron James, I think most Lakers fans were more worried about this game than they are about Phoenix, Denver, or Portland. I have already gotten two texts from people talking about a Hallway Series in the WCF.

Schroder: I was not that big on the signing, and yes, he was not good tonight.

   3302. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 20, 2021 at 02:02 AM (#6019876)
No love for Schroder here, but I do think he deserves credit for his part in a terrific team defense scheme. He played more minutes than any other Laker, he plays really hard, his athleticism is a plus. That said, I don't trust him to make good decisions.
   3303. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 20, 2021 at 02:08 AM (#6019877)
Yeah, Schroder was better than I thought he'd be. He has the weird thing going on with being unvaccinated, and if that bites him and he misses playoff games, then that might be the end for him with the Lakers. OTOH, if he plays pretty well and the team has a deep playoff run, then that might make James see him as one of "my guys" and they'll overpay and he will stay here.
   3304. Rally Posted: May 20, 2021 at 08:07 AM (#6019882)
Must have been an exciting finish. I’m probably getting too old to watch the west coast games like i used to. Probably fell asleep around halftime, woke up in the middle of the night with whatever ESPN shows still running.

That last 3 was crazy. LeBron beat Curry by being Curry for 1 play.
   3305. spivey 2 Posted: May 20, 2021 at 08:36 AM (#6019890)
Presumably the NBA knows what they're doing, and I whine about this every time the playoffs come around, but man, it'd be nice if these West coast playoff series started at 6pm Pacific time rather than 7pm. Hell, even 6:30.

I don't even live in the Eastern timezone, but still I can't stay up until 11:30-midnight every single night in the playoffs.

That shot by LeBron was ridiculous. It's funny to think back there was a long part of his career where he was thought of as not clutch.
   3306. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 20, 2021 at 09:06 AM (#6019901)
It's funny to think back there was a long part of his career where he was thought of as not clutch.

It was always kinda wrong though, right? I guess you can't be "clutch" and a superstar until you win a title.

---

Going back to the last page, I'm with those who say it's hard to believe Portland is favored over Denver. Blazers were 29th in DRtg this year; they're a poor version of the Nets without the multiple stars.
   3307. sardonic Posted: May 20, 2021 at 10:16 AM (#6019912)
Damn it would have been nice to get that win and go into the offseason with the some momentum for next year. Would have given ownership even more confidence to go deep into the luxury tax and fund a potential contender for next year.

It can still happen, but would now need the Warriors to at least beat Memphis and then win a couple games against Utah.

Then you can dream on Klay coming back, Wiseman developing into a useful rotation piece (I mean even JaVale was useful by the time he got to the Warriors) and whatever you can get for Oubre and potentially Minny's lottery pick in a loaded draft.
   3308. sardonic Posted: May 20, 2021 at 10:20 AM (#6019913)
They punched a bit above their weight just to get to where they were in that game though. The talent level just isn't there with Wiggins as their second/third banana and the back end of the rotation having a couple G league talents in Bazemore and Mychal Mulder playing 20+ minutes each.
   3309. Jtsports01 Posted: May 20, 2021 at 10:56 AM (#6019920)
Thanks Moses, that seals it bet is in.
   3310. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: May 20, 2021 at 11:18 AM (#6019927)
I figure maybe only 10-12 people on BTF care about this (if so, they are probably here), but NBA2k21 is currently free on to buy on epic games.
   3311. aberg Posted: May 20, 2021 at 11:42 AM (#6019937)
Everyone knew GS came into the game last night as, essentially, a two-man team. More specifically, they were a one-man offense and a one-man defense. And those two men really pushed LA to the limit. Steph felt completely unstoppable with the ball in his hands, especially with anyone but Caruso on him (wtf?). With Lebron at <100%, the Lakers relied a lot on Davis on the other end and Draymond made his life hell. It's rare to see one player individually crucially involved in so many defensive stops.

On the other hand, deserved credit to Lebron for having such a big impact on the game without being near full health. And credit to AD for staying locked in and making big offensive plays when needed in the second half. The Lakers are going to need both of those two to be at their A+ best to get very far. I don't think their supporting cast is as strong as last year. Vogel had a great game. His willingness to go away from the non-AD bigs was perfect. He balanced Lebron's minutes to keep him within shouting distance of the cap they put on him. He dusted off Matthews at the right time to open up some room on offense, and then he had the guts to bench Schroder when they needed both Caruso and Matthews defensively.
   3312. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: May 20, 2021 at 12:02 PM (#6019940)
I think I get how the odds get like this, but I still think it's so weird that at Pinnacle right now (which I'm told has the "toughest" lines) the Lakers are both the favorites to win the West and an underdog in their game one against the Suns.
   3313. tshipman Posted: May 20, 2021 at 12:14 PM (#6019942)
I am kind of coming around to the idea that I don't think the Lakers should be the favorite to come out of the West.

The closing 5 of LeBron, Davis, Matthews, Caruso and KCP is as good or better than last year, but there are too many charity minutes given to guys like Drummond and Schroder.
   3314. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 20, 2021 at 12:18 PM (#6019944)
The Lakers are going to need both of those two to be at their A+ best to get very far. I don't think their supporting cast is as strong as last year. Vogel had a great game.


Lakers: I agree with sentences 1 and 3; not sure about 2. I tend to think that role players are more interchangeable than people who wonk out think they are, and like I have said a few times, both James and Davis put up 30 PERs in post-season last year, and that is rare, even on a champion. Not directed at berg, and Caruso and Matthews did do a nice job last night, but when James and Davis were out, a lot of people in Lakerland were talking about how much those two guys sucked. Last night, everybody loved them again. Role players with one or two skills and "glue guys" don't matter much when you don't have the stars. Also, Davis is and has been very upfront about the fact he is willing to log big minutes at the 5 in tough playoff games but wants traditional 5s around for the seasonal grind so I am not sure that the changes at the 5 will matter all that much, but we will see.

As to role players, some Lakers fans are really worried about not having "playoff Rondo" and Schroder was not good last night, so I will be interested to see how that plays out.

Vogel: He is a good defensive coach and he gets along with the Big Dogs. James runs the O, so it has been working.

Golden State: If Thompson can come back, they will be dangerous. I also wouldn't think that losing an exciting game on the road on a 30-footer by James would affect ownership's confidence, but I don't know.
   3315. aberg Posted: May 20, 2021 at 12:27 PM (#6019946)
The closing 5 of LeBron, Davis, Matthews, Caruso and KCP is as good or better than last year, but there are too many charity minutes given to guys like Drummond and Schroder.


Not directed at berg, and Caruso and Matthews did do a nice job last night, but when James and Davis were out, a lot of people in Lakerland were talking about how much those two guys sucked. Last night, everybody loved them again. Role players with one or two skills and "glue guys" don't matter much when you don't have the stars.


I might be guilty of glorifying their supporting cast from last year. Getting 40% on 3s and 7 APG from Rondo in the playoffs isn't to be expected, but it happened, so getting to the same level would require Caruso or Schroder to play that well, which is obviously on guarantee. The overall quality of the bigs is probably a push. If they run into Jokic again, Gasol can probably give him fits in a different but equally effective way to what Howard did last year. Matthews ≈ Green. Kuz might be a slightly better version of himself. But like I said before, that group won with Lebron and Davis playing as well as they can play. Recent evidence suggests they're not close to that now.
   3316. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 20, 2021 at 12:37 PM (#6019948)
But like I said before, that group won with Lebron and Davis playing as well as they can play.


Yeah, if their playoff PERs are in the 25-27 range, probably someone will put the Lakers out. That noted, I think they match up well with Phoenix and with Denver, who I think will be their second-round opponent if they get there. So I could see them slogging through two long series and winning than losing to the Clippers or Jazz.

That noted, James is the guy, along with Jordan back in his time, when if his team is close to the opponent in overall talent, then I don't want to bet against him.
   3317. jmurph Posted: May 20, 2021 at 01:01 PM (#6019952)
Last LeBron playoff appearance to end before the Finals: 2010? Is that right?
   3318. Jtsports01 Posted: May 20, 2021 at 01:06 PM (#6019954)
correct Jmurph, every Celtics fan knows that :)
   3319. tshipman Posted: May 20, 2021 at 01:07 PM (#6019955)
Zach Lowe has said that the NBA finals has been the LeBron invitational for the last decade.
   3320. Rally Posted: May 20, 2021 at 01:17 PM (#6019956)
I think the Lakers are favorites as long as their big 2 are healthy. If one gets hurt, they are done.

Getting 40% on 3s and 7 APG from Rondo in the playoffs isn't to be expected, but it happened, so getting to the same level would require Caruso or Schroder to play that well, which is obviously on guarantee.


They probably need one of the role players to get hot like that to win this year. As for last season though, playoff Rondo was nice to have but mostly a luxury, a bonus. They weren't pushed in any of their playoff series and if Rondo had played like crap they probably would still have won.
   3321. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: May 20, 2021 at 01:36 PM (#6019961)
I think I get how the odds get like this, but I still think it's so weird that at Pinnacle right now (which I'm told has the "toughest" lines) the Lakers are both the favorites to win the West and an underdog in their game one against the Suns.
while we're (more or less) on the topic of gambling, i figure i'll throw a link to this delightful video on the "martingale strategy".
   3322. jmurph Posted: May 20, 2021 at 01:57 PM (#6019965)
Zach Lowe has said that the NBA finals has been the LeBron invitational for the last decade.

Yeah I know the thread has talked about this a few times before, and I know there's conversations to be had about the context of the East, but man, it's really just outrageous how many times he's been there.
   3323. tshipman Posted: May 20, 2021 at 02:06 PM (#6019967)
Doesn't everyone know about the Martingale?

***

Rondo was not actually that good last year, and Caruso was significantly better. Rondo provided offense, but was awful on defense and compromised everything the Lakers were trying to do defensively.
   3324. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: May 20, 2021 at 05:30 PM (#6019990)
Doesn't everyone know about the Martingale?
that doesn't make the video any less delightful.
   3325. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 20, 2021 at 09:22 PM (#6020008)
Hollinger's picking both the Lakers and Nuggets to go out in seven games, to the Suns and Blazers, respectively. He doesn't like the Lakers for health reasons, and he thinks the Nugs will lose because of Dame reasons.

Also, Warriors-Lakers drew 5.6 million sets of eyeballs, more than twice the 2.2 million that Memphis-San Antonio got.
   3326. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: May 20, 2021 at 10:23 PM (#6020014)
over/under:

3.5 joel embiid technical fouls in the first round
   3327. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 20, 2021 at 11:30 PM (#6020025)
Hollinger's picking both the Lakers and Nuggets to go out in seven games, to the Suns and Blazers, respectively. He doesn't like the Lakers for health reasons, and he thinks the Nugs will lose because of Dame reasons.



I would probably go the other way on those two series, but Hollinger will look pretty smarty pants if those picks pan out.
   3328. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: May 21, 2021 at 11:07 AM (#6020048)
The talent level just isn't there with Wiggins as their second/third banana.

Wiggins averaged 20 ppg on 41/49/77 percent shooting in the last 36 games he played this year and had a really good play-in game. He was actually playing pretty good defense on LBJ, especially in the first half of the game. Wiggins was actually pretty good for the Warriors this year.

The Warriors were actually pretty good this year when Wiseman wasn't playing.
   3329. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 11:54 AM (#6020055)
3.5 joel embiid technical fouls in the first round

First instinct is to say under, cause the Wizards are trash and this series won't go more than 5 games, if that. But Robin Lopez can definitely get under someone's skin and Embiid has shown he can get bothered; I bet Robin makes it a goal. I'll still take the under, but say he'll get 2 in one game for an ejection and finish the series with 3.
   3330. jmurph Posted: May 21, 2021 at 12:36 PM (#6020060)
Alright let's do it:

East
Sixers 4-0 over Wiz
Nets 4-0 over Celtics
Bucks 4-2 over Heat
Knicks 4-2 over Hawks (with the utmost respect to their respective fans here, I can't believe one of these times is going to the second round!)

Sixers 4-0 over Knicks
Nets 4-3 over Bucks (someone on the Nets gets hurt this round)

Sixers 4-2 over Injured Nets (if it happens, Healthy Nets 4-2 over Sixers)

West
Jazz 4-1 over whoever
Lakers 4-1 over Suns
Nuggets 4-2 over Blazers
Clippers 4-1 over Mavs

Clippers 4-2 over Jazz
Lakers 4-3 over Nuggets

Clippers 4-2 over Lakers

Finals
Clippers 4-2 over Sixers

Turns out as I did this I don't feel confident about any of this, which actually seems fun. I think the Sixers have such an easy path to the conference finals that, though I think they're the 3rd best team in the conference (in terms of being built for the playoffs) I'm still taking them. If the Nets miraculously stay 100% then I expect them to get there instead.

I actually don't think much of the Clippers but I just don't think the Lakers will be able to limp their way through it. Otherwise the West seems totally wide open, which again is fun.
   3331. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: May 21, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6020063)
Turns out as I did this I don't feel confident about any of this, which actually seems fun. I think the Sixers have such an easy path to the conference finals that, though I think they're the 3rd best team in the conference (in terms of being built for the playoffs) I'm still taking them. If the Nets miraculously stay 100% then I expect them to get there instead.

to get to the the conference finals, the sixers will have to go through a collective starting 5 of:

trae young
brad beal
bogdan bogdanovic
julius randle
clint capela


meanwhile the nets would have to go through

jrue
butler
tatoom
giannis
bam

the bucks would have to go through:

kyrie
harden
durant
butler
bam

and the heat would have to go through....you get the picture.




it's almost as easy a run as the lakers had last season.
First instinct is to say under, cause the Wizards are trash and this series won't go more than 5 games, if that. But Robin Lopez can definitely get under someone's skin and Embiid has shown he can get bothered; I bet Robin makes it a goal. I'll still take the under, but say he'll get 2 in one game for an ejection and finish the series with 3.
sounds like you're forgetting about russell westbrook.
   3332. jmurph Posted: May 21, 2021 at 12:47 PM (#6020064)
sounds like you're forgetting about russell westbrook.

This was also my thought, but I feel like Russ gets all the Ts in that situation.
   3333. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: May 21, 2021 at 12:55 PM (#6020065)
This was also my thought, but I feel like Russ gets all the Ts in that situation.
nah; playoff refs love handing out double techs as much as i love engaging in honest conversation with trolling jazz fans. possibly even moreso, if you can imagine.
   3334. jmurph Posted: May 21, 2021 at 12:56 PM (#6020066)
A fair point.
   3335. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:00 PM (#6020068)
it's been more than two years since you've all experienced FULL 57i66135, so i'm gonna take a second to give everyone one early warning before it ramps up:

it's coming. your welcome.
   3336. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:05 PM (#6020069)
We're all cool with that, as long as you're hear to take it back when they choke.
   3337. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:06 PM (#6020070)
I probably should start a new thread so all the playoff talk goes in there. This thread probably self-destructs any day now.
   3338. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:09 PM (#6020071)
We're all cool with that, as long as you're hear to take it back when they choke.
i think you mean to say "your hear"

your welcome.
   3339. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:11 PM (#6020072)
No, I expect you to listen to us read the posts out loud to you.

NEW THREAD
   3340. tshipman Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:27 PM (#6020076)
I feel like there's one ref in particular who is the king of the playoff double T, but I can't quite recall who it is. Not Tony Brothers. Kenny Mauer?

East
Sixers 4-0 over Wiz
Nets 4-1 over Celtics
Bucks 4-3 over Heat
Hawks 4-2 over Knicks (the East is a joke)

Sixers 4-0 over Hawks
Bucks 4-3 over Nets (someone on the Nets gets hurt this round)

Sixers 4-2 over Bucks

West
Jazz 4-2 over Warriors
Lakers 4-2 over Suns
Nuggets 4-1 over Blazers
Mavs 4-3 over Clippers

Jazz 4-2 over Mavs
Lakers 4-3 over Nuggets

Lakers 4-2 over Jazz

Finals
Sixers 4-2 over Lakers
   3341. aberg Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:35 PM (#6020083)
East
Sixers in 4
Nets in 5
Bucks in 6
Knicks in 7

Sixers in 5
Nets in 7 (I'll be rooting for Milwaukee)

Sixers in 7

West
Jazz in 6
Lakers in 6
Nuggets in 6
Clippers in 5

Clippers in 6
Lakers in 7

Clippers in 6

Clippers over Sixers in 6
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