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I estimate it would take 10-12 Primates to beat James Harden in a wing eating contest.

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   901. asinwreck Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:23 PM (#6000859)
Halfway through the first quarter with their new Big Three, the Nets are 8 of 8.

EDIT: A second later, 9 of 9. Now 10 of 10!
   902. asinwreck Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:25 PM (#6000860)
Finally, Kevin Durant misses.
   903. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:27 PM (#6000861)
Halfway through the first quarter with their new Big Three, the Nets are 8 of 8.

EDIT: A second later, 9 of 9. Now 10 of 10!
it'll never work.


(9 assists on those 10 FGs)
   904. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:49 PM (#6000866)
trade machine: who says no?


DEN: ben simmons, lonzo ball, jj redick, mike scott
NOP: gary harris, isaiah joe
PHI: jamal murray, will barton, josh hart
   905. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:53 PM (#6000869)
Pretty sure Denver isn't looking to give up Jamal Murray. They maybe should be?

Denver is my top place I'd like to see Simmons go. The partnership with Jokic would be so perfect for them both.
   906. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:54 PM (#6000870)

Dave McMenamin @mcten
Watching this Nets-Cavs game and enjoying the Cedi Osman-Jeff Green matchup. Green once made a rookie Cedi leave the bench to get him an energy bar from the locker room in the middle of a game in Detroit, but their bond was bond was genuine in ‘17-18. They’re battling tonight
   907. asinwreck Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:55 PM (#6000871)
Simmons could play center with Jokic as point guard.
   908. PJ Martinez Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:55 PM (#6000872)
Heck of a play by Sexton. Cavs currently up 5.
   909. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 07:59 PM (#6000873)
Pretty sure Denver isn't looking to give up Jamal Murray. They maybe should be?

Denver is my top place I'd like to see Simmons go. The partnership with Jokic would be so perfect for them both.
each 57i66135 "who says no" is a story waiting to be unpuzzled. here, i just really want to see what lonzo and simmons could do together, and since i couldn't make it work in philly (not a bad thing, btw; simmons, maxey, milton and lonzo would have been #toomanycooks), so i threw something else together and wound up putting them with jokic, for some additional aesthetics.
   910. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2021 at 08:05 PM (#6000874)
Jamal Murray is so incredibly frustrating as a neutral. Either he's seemingly deeply mediocre, or he's Canadian Curry, and I really don't understand it.

He's back to shooting a mediocre percentage after scorching the nets in the playoffs last year.
   911. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 08:09 PM (#6000877)
also, just fwiw: i have not been as wrong about a philly sports team as i was about this year's sixers in a very long time. i'm still not sure how good they actually are, but to go down the list:

- tharris has not played like microwaved dogshit
- dwight howard has been whatever the opposite is of what he was in WAS, ATL and CHO.
- tyrese maxey has been competent
- shake milton has been legit
- danny green isn't a walking corpse
- ben simmons has regressed (marginally; he's still putting up 12, 9 and 8 with all-NBA defense)


   912. asinwreck Posted: January 20, 2021 at 08:54 PM (#6000884)
The Nets, however, cannot defend.
   913. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 08:56 PM (#6000885)
oooh...turkish delight.

https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1352073541005451266


(that pbp announcer should be fired, btw. even joe buck is disgusted by his indifference.)
   914. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: January 20, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6000887)
I don’t know that I was ever more disappointed then when I tried Turkish delight for the first time.
   915. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 09:11 PM (#6000889)
oh god, i just cheered for tobias harris.
   916. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 09:26 PM (#6000892)
there was some floppage there. on both sides.
   917. PJ Martinez Posted: January 20, 2021 at 09:30 PM (#6000893)
Yeah, lots of flopping all around, but it was a reasonable call against Theis. That challenge had no chance.
   918. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 09:34 PM (#6000894)
and again. tharris showing up
   919. jmurph Posted: January 20, 2021 at 09:40 PM (#6000895)
What is this Cavs font abomination and why the hell is Brooklyn going into double OT against Cleveland?
   920. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 09:40 PM (#6000896)
Chris Herring @Herring_NBA
Kyrie about to play 92 mins in his first game back with all these OTs

   921. jmurph Posted: January 20, 2021 at 09:48 PM (#6000899)
Sexton, wow. Not a great start for the new Brooklyn trio!
   922. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2021 at 10:17 PM (#6000903)
How do you lose by 12 in a double OT game?

The Nets just cannot guard anyone like this.
   923. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2021 at 10:25 PM (#6000905)
Also, shout out to Steve Nash playing a 5 man rotation in a game in January. Not like any of the guys on the Nets have an injury history.
   924. sardonic Posted: January 20, 2021 at 10:41 PM (#6000908)
Watching the Spurs for the first time this year, and it feels like a Pop miracle/smoke and mirrors job that they are 8-6 coming into tonight's game. They just got beaten by 12 in the first quarter by a Warriors starting unit that has literally been the worst high usage 5 man unit in the league.
   925. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: January 20, 2021 at 10:44 PM (#6000909)
They're probably just as close to planning around Wiseman's timeline as Curry's if the goal is to win a championship.

If true, they're much higher on James Wiseman than I am. I strongly doubt that it will be easier to build a contender around his peak than Steph Curry's remaining prime. Wiseman seems like a guy who'll almost certainly be overpaid throughout his career. It's ridiculously early to draw any real conclusions, but his 1:5 AST/TO ratio doesn't inspire confidence in his potential to figure prominently in a high-level offense.

Wiseman + Wolves pick is worth a lot more than Vucevic, and Vucevic is not worth the luxury tax bill he'd incur. Vucevic is not the kind of guy who makes a team a contender. He may be unplayable against the Lakers, for example.

I was not suggesting that the Warriors trade Wiseman + the Wolves pick for Vucevic and a huge tax bill. I was saying that, in Golden State's position, I'd be inclined to deal Wiseman and/or the Wolves pick to maximize the remainder of Curry's prime, and that Vucevic would be an interesting target if Orlando's a willing seller. Something like Wiseman, Wiggins, and Poole for Vucevic and Ross would be cap neutral and leave GSW with draft assets to add one more piece. If Wiseman, Wiggins, and picks could land someone better, I'd be looking at that too.

I don't agree with your take on Vucevic. Here's a complete list of Vucevic's All-Star teammates to this point in his career:

Kinda crazy that he's never had one. So yeah, I don't know exactly how he'd adapt to having good teammates since there's no precedent for it, but I don't think there's much basis to say it wouldn't work. He's an excellent passer and a very good outside shooter for his position, so it's easy to see him elevating a good offense into a great one. Defensively he's not much of a shot-blocker but he has active hands and plays well positionally. The past 2 years he's been part of a top-10 defense. As a comparison, how is he any less useful than Cavs-in-the-Finals-era Kevin Love?
   926. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 10:48 PM (#6000910)
Derek Bodner @DerekBodnerNBA
Joel Embiid, on Marcus Smart calling him a flopper: "Marcus Smart just told me that I flail a lot? Come on. I'm sure he knows himself and he knows his game. You know he does a lot of that."
Tom Moore @TomMoorePhilly
#Sixers C Joel Embiid: 'No matter what you heard about Dwight in the past, he's one of the best teammates I ever had.'

   927. sardonic Posted: January 20, 2021 at 10:55 PM (#6000911)
Something like Wiseman, Wiggins, and Poole for Vucevic and Ross would be cap neutral and leave GSW with draft assets to add one more piece.


Yeah, but what does that get you? A top five man unit of Curry-Oubre-Ross-Draymond-Vucevic? No one loves Curry more than me, but that's a lineup that's happy just to get to the second round of the playoffs. I'm not trading the No. 2 overall pick and mortgaging the future for a better chance of going out 4-2 instead of 4-1 to the Lakers or Clips in the second round.
   928. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 20, 2021 at 11:04 PM (#6000912)
Connor Letourneau @Con_Chron
Yet another Wiseman dunk — this time, off a lob from Curry. Warriors are just beginning to scratch the surface of Wiseman's potential. Keep in mind: This dude is younger than Alen Smailagic.
   929. sardonic Posted: January 20, 2021 at 11:04 PM (#6000913)
Wiseman btw is looking great against the Spurs so far. +21 in 10 minutes, running the floor and attacking the rim with huge dunks, not being exploited on defense.
   930. tshipman Posted: January 20, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6000914)
I don't agree with your take on Vucevic. Here's a complete list of Vucevic's All-Star teammates to this point in his career:

Kinda crazy that he's never had one. So yeah, I don't know exactly how he'd adapt to having good teammates since there's no precedent for it, but I don't think there's much basis to say it wouldn't work. He's an excellent passer and a very good outside shooter for his position, so it's easy to see him elevating a good offense into a great one. Defensively he's not much of a shot-blocker but he has active hands and plays well positionally. The past 2 years he's been part of a top-10 defense. As a comparison, how is he any less useful than Cavs-in-the-Finals-era Kevin Love?


Vucevic's team's DRTG in the playoffs the last two years when he's been on the court:
2020: 123.2
2019: 116.1

Vucevic's team's DRTG in the playoffs when he's been off the court:
2020: 98.4
2019: 96.8

Small sample size to be sure, but part of the reason it's been a small sample is that Vucevic has been godawful on defense in the playoffs. His team gets outrebounded, and the opponents shoot about a million percent on shots close to the basket. You can't contend with that as your Center, and if you can't contend, there's no point in trading Wiseman for him this year.
   931. SteveF Posted: January 21, 2021 at 08:01 AM (#6000925)
Is this a drop coverage thing, regular season vs. playoffs? Maybe there is something about the offensive personnel of playoff teams -- PnR, jump shooting off the dribble -- that makes the coverage particularly weak in a playoff setting? Maybe shot blocking/rim protection is less important than having a big (or someone that can play as a big) that can execute something other than drop?
   932. KronicFatigue Posted: January 21, 2021 at 11:03 AM (#6000963)
Apropos of nothing, I wanted to check out the Nets stats and saw that the ESPN app combines OT totals instead of separating them. In fact, there isn't any indication that it went to 2OT in the 4 corners of the mini box score on the summary page.
   933. jmurph Posted: January 21, 2021 at 11:12 AM (#6000971)
Have we seen a team finish 1st in ORtg and 30th in DRtg before? Feels like it's on the table with Brooklyn.
   934. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: January 21, 2021 at 12:40 PM (#6001003)
At age 21, two recent seasons:

Player A: 20.5/3.7/3.7, .340/.502/.805
Player B: 20.8/3.1/3.0, .380/.501/.846

Any guesses?
   935. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:04 PM (#6001008)
(those percentages are threes, twos, frees)
   936. Powderhorn™, arrogant local sailing champion Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:09 PM (#6001009)
Have we seen a team finish 1st in ORtg and 30th in DRtg before? Feels like it's on the table with Brooklyn.
There were only 23 teams then, but the '82 Nuggets did it. They went 46-36 and lost in one of those goofy best-of-3 first-round series that existed back then. I was surprised they did it just the one time. The following 2 years they did finish 3rd/20th and 2nd/22nd. They made the second round in one of those years.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of any good historical comps for these Nets. Durant's career continues to have a bizarre soap opera feel to it.
   937. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:19 PM (#6001012)
(those percentages are threes, twos, frees)
are you sure it's not batting average, slugging percentage and OPS?


i thought we'd already standardized the triple slash line. 99.8% of the time, it's just FG%/3P%/FT%. anything else seems non-intuitive and unnecessarily weird
   938. jmurph Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:19 PM (#6001013)
Thanks for actually doing the work Powderhorn!

   939. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:33 PM (#6001016)
My first thought was the late-90s Rockets (Olajuwon, Barkley, Drexler), but those guys were all around 34 y.o. rather than 28, 31, and 32. Both teams have a top-15 all-timer, a top-30 all-timer, and a multiple time All-Star. Year #1 was pretty good (Western Conference Finals, lost to Utah), and year #2 fell apart.
   940. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:35 PM (#6001018)
also, just fwiw: i have not been as wrong about a philly sports team as i was about this year's sixers in a very long time. i'm still not sure how good they actually are, but to go down the list:

- tharris has not played like microwaved dogshit
- dwight howard has been whatever the opposite is of what he was in WAS, ATL and CHO.
- tyrese maxey has been competent
- shake milton has been legit
- danny green isn't a walking corpse
- ben simmons has regressed (marginally; he's still putting up 12, 9 and 8 with all-NBA defense)


I'm stunned you didn't mention Seth Curry.
   941. spivey 2 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:36 PM (#6001019)
The late-era Cavs with LeBron, Kyrie, and Love feel like the most similar team to Brooklyn. Though Brooklyn should be better, I think - but making the Finals is more difficult in the East now.
   942. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:40 PM (#6001022)
Any guesses?


One of them is Colin Sexton. He has turned out to be a much better offensive player than I ever thought and is straight balling right now.
   943. jmurph Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:41 PM (#6001023)
ben simmons has regressed (marginally; he's still putting up 12, 9 and 8 with all-NBA defense)

They won and everything so who cares I guess, but if last night is an example of how he will be used against competitive teams then they definitely should have traded him for Harden. Late in the game he just brought the ball up and did nothing, he wasn't even the guy to initiate the entry pass to Embiid.

For the record I haven't watched them much this year and did not see any of the first half, so it's possible that the way they played late last night was not normal.
   944. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:41 PM (#6001024)
The late-era Cavs with LeBron, Kyrie, and Love feel like the most similar team to Brooklyn. Though Brooklyn should be better, I think - but making the Finals is more difficult in the East now.


Yeah, this is a good comp. A bit better on offense, a bit worse (?) on defense.

They seriously played Jeff Green at Center for like 30 minutes last night.
   945. jmurph Posted: January 21, 2021 at 01:45 PM (#6001025)
Brooklyn as Cleveland is interesting, but I think they could be a lot better on offense. I don't expect Durant to do this all year (at least I don't think?), but Kyrie is better than he was in Cleveland and whoever the Love is in this analogy, the Brooklyn version is much better than him.

So yeah I think to be overly simplistic it might come down to how much worse they are on defense.
   946. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2021 at 02:01 PM (#6001031)
The thing with the Nets is, how much better can they realistically get on offense?

The Nets are already at a 115.4 ORTG. I don't even see how they get much better than that. They already shoot very high percentages, even before the trade. They getting *worse* on the offensive glass, and they already take a ton of FTs. How much better can they get on offense? The KD/Steph Warriors were at a 115.6 ORTG. If we give them the best offense of all time, and say they're going to be at a 117 ORTG, that realistically caps their net rating at about a +6 with more downside than upside.

Are they really a better defense than the Timberwolves or the Blazers?

They basically have zero rim protection whenever DeAndre isn't out there. They're bad on the glass and getting worse. They don't force turnovers. I just don't see how you can have even a bad defense with their personnel.
   947. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 02:19 PM (#6001035)
I'm stunned you didn't mention Seth Curry.
he ran hot for a few games, and then he got covid and sent half the rotation into quaratine.

he was probably worth mentioning since i'm likely to be wrong about him, but i'm still on the fence.
They won and everything so who cares I guess, but if last night is an example of how he will be used against competitive teams then they definitely should have traded him for Harden. Late in the game he just brought the ball up and did nothing, he wasn't even the guy to initiate the entry pass to Embiid.

For the record I haven't watched them much this year and did not see any of the first half, so it's possible that the way they played late last night was not normal.

they forced the ball to embiid a bit more than usual, but it wasn't too far out of the norm, so your impressions are reasonable.

i don't think simmons is particularly good at this (yet), but bringing the ball up, and then initiating the offense by passing to someone else is a highly underrated skill. simmons immediately dumping the ball off to tharris or embiid isn't sexy, but it seems likely to yield an effective offense.


oh also:
Mike Vorkunov @MikeVorkunov
At 6-8 and 250 pounds, Julius Randle ran a 5:30 mile. Without shoes. Wrote about his offseason, where he set his sights on an All-Star appearance, and how his game has changed and improved while pushing the Knicks to a surprising 7-8 start so far. theathletic.com/2335189/2021/0…
   948. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2021 at 02:30 PM (#6001040)
At 6-8 and 250 pounds, Julius Randle ran a 5:30 mile. Without shoes.


... why didn't he wear shoes?
   949. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 21, 2021 at 02:36 PM (#6001042)
Barefoot running is a thing.
   950. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: January 21, 2021 at 03:51 PM (#6001061)
When Zion got to Duke, he reminded me of Julius Randle's run at Kentucky: they're both bowling-ball sized players with quick feet who could dribble and make popcorn out of guys in the paint.
   951. epoc Posted: January 21, 2021 at 04:06 PM (#6001064)
The Nets are going to be bad defensively, but they'll certainly be adding a rim-protector or two before the playoffs. My guess is they'll be looking for rim-protectors who can also rim-run out of the pnr with Kyrie/Harden, which kind of answers tship's Q about how they can get any better on offense (though getting those easy buckets out of pnr will probably be somewhat offset by shooting regression). I don't think it's feasible to judge what Brooklyn will end up being by what they are now, but it's certainly possible that by April they are an all-time-great offense with merely bad (rather than awful) defense.
   952. asinwreck Posted: January 21, 2021 at 04:20 PM (#6001068)
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: In NBA's postponement of three consecutive Memphis Grizzlies games, there's come an evolution in league's handling of COVID-19 scenarios -- essentially parking a team and taking them out of circulation once a roster's been exposed to virus.


Click the link for the full story: Memphis, instead of contact tracing after a positive test, has its next four games postponed. We'll see if this is effective enough to keep the season going.
   953. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2021 at 04:26 PM (#6001071)
The Nets are going to be bad defensively, but they'll certainly be adding a rim-protector or two before the playoffs. My guess is they'll be looking for rim-protectors who can also rim-run out of the pnr with Kyrie/Harden, which kind of answers tship's Q about how they can get any better on offense (though getting those easy buckets out of pnr will probably be somewhat offset by shooting regression).


Who are they going to get on the buyout market who fits that description?

***

First part of the Hollinger/Duncan pod has a good question: Couldn't the Nets have expanded the deal to include Dinwiddie and PJ Tucker, given all they gave up?
   954. jmurph Posted: January 21, 2021 at 04:57 PM (#6001073)
Maybe Drummond? McGee? Whiteside potentially. It's not going to be a star, certainly, but they might be able to find someone.
   955. asinwreck Posted: January 21, 2021 at 05:17 PM (#6001076)
Cousins is sure to be available based on his current level of play. The Bulls would also listen on Luke Kornet and Cristiano Felicio as a package deal.
   956. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: January 21, 2021 at 05:19 PM (#6001079)
First part of the Hollinger/Duncan pod has a good question: Couldn't the Nets have expanded the deal to include Dinwiddie and PJ Tucker, given all they gave up?

My immediate reaction to the trade was that it was strange the Nets gave up Jarrett Allen without getting any sort of replacement in the deal. Seems like the Cavs would've been more than willing to throw in Javale McGee if Houston wasn't willing to include PJ Tucker. I figured the Nets must've been eager to sign Dewayne Dedmon, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, or someone to help fill that void, but nothing's been reported so far.
   957. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 05:47 PM (#6001086)
Vincent Goodwill @VinceGoodwill
Last night’s BKN-CLE game was the most-viewed game in the U.S. and fourth most-viewed game globally on League Pass this season. Viewers were up 115% and watch hours were up 227% vs. the per-game averages for the season.
Keith Pompey @PompeyOnSixers
#Sixers SG Seth Curry is listed as probable for Friday’s game vs. the Boston #Celtics with post health and safety protocols reconditioning.

   958. asinwreck Posted: January 21, 2021 at 06:01 PM (#6001088)
The local speculation is the Nets will keep three roster spots open for a while (with some 10-day contracts) as picking up contracts now will incur large luxury tax payments. Then, near the end of the season, they'll sign guys for the playoffs.

Seems risky, but maybe it works out.
   959. epoc Posted: January 21, 2021 at 06:06 PM (#6001089)
Yeah, there's no shortage of (potentially) available centers, and the thing about the Nets' situation is that the bar is super-low. Currently, their only healthy center is the husk of DeAndre Jordan. Jeff Green is their default center for half of every game right now. Two or three mediocre, athletic centers would make a BIG difference. Nic Claxton, who's supposedly on-track to return around the All-Star Break, might even be a difference-maker for them, and I say that with absolutely no illusions about Claxton's abilities.
   960. Powderhorn™, arrogant local sailing champion Posted: January 21, 2021 at 07:20 PM (#6001095)
I was a bit vague on what I meant about historical comps for the Nets. I'm thinking of them as two multiple-time scoring champions, and a guy who can put up 24 to 27 a game by himself, joining forces in or very close to their primes. I can't think of this much scoring firepower on a team before. James/Irving/Love is a good one.

Incidentally, how is Irving as a passer? I haven't looked at that part of his game very much.
   961. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 07:29 PM (#6001096)
I was a bit vague on what I meant about historical comps for the Nets. I'm thinking of them as two multiple-time scoring champions, and a guy who can put up 24 to 27 a game by himself, joining forces in or very close to their primes. I can't think of this much scoring firepower on a team before.
wade, lebron and bosh is the most obvious comp, since they were 1, 2 and 9 in the NBA in PPG the year before "the decision".

durant didn't play in 2020 (and kyrie was pretty limited), but in 2019, KD was 8th in PPG and kyrie was 14th. harden was #1 in both 2019 and 2020.


curry and durant is another obvious comp, but klay was more of a true 3rd option rather than a 3rd #1 option. then again, kyrie isn't too much different from a dozen other scoring guards (lillard, mccollum, lavine, booker, kemba, mitchell, conley, lowry, murray), so maybe he could be considered as "disposable" in this scenario as bosh, klay and love were in theirs.
   962. tshipman Posted: January 21, 2021 at 07:37 PM (#6001097)
Yeah, there's no shortage of (potentially) available centers, and the thing about the Nets' situation is that the bar is super-low. Currently, their only healthy center is the husk of DeAndre Jordan. Jeff Green is their default center for half of every game right now. Two or three mediocre, athletic centers would make a BIG difference. Nic Claxton, who's supposedly on-track to return around the All-Star Break, might even be a difference-maker for them, and I say that with absolutely no illusions about Claxton's abilities.


There's no shortage of bigs, but there are a shortage of bigs who can stay on the court in the playoffs.

Drummond won't be available in a buyout.
McGee might be available, but couldn't stay on the court against Bam.
Whiteside is gasoline on a fire.
Dewayne Dedmon and RHJ got cut from teams that need bigs.

I would think the best hope for the Nets is that they could get PJ Tucker somehow, but they didn't do that when they had the chance.
   963. asinwreck Posted: January 21, 2021 at 07:50 PM (#6001098)
Tim Bontemps
@TimBontemps
The NBA just announced a whole bunch of games have been pushed back to at least 8pm local time for weekday games and at least 7pm for weekend games. This is part of the NBA’s adjustment in its testing protocols to attempt to have same day PCR tests for every game.
   964. JJ1986 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 08:20 PM (#6001103)
Teams wear alternate jerseys way way too often.
   965. spivey 2 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6001108)
The Bucks game is blacked out but doesn’t appear to be on a local station. Ridiculous!
   966. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 09:05 PM (#6001109)
The Bucks game is blacked out but doesn’t appear to be on a local station. Ridiculous!
TNT?
   967. spivey 2 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 09:11 PM (#6001111)
It's blacked out on TNT. But isn't on like Fox Wisconsin or whatever. Perhaps because it wasn't a sellout.
   968. asinwreck Posted: January 21, 2021 at 09:20 PM (#6001112)
The Cream City jerseys are so much better than what Milwaukee's wearing tonight.
   969. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: January 21, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#6001119)
The Lakers did win tonight but shot over 50% from 3. They are now shooting an unsustainably good 40%. It does seem that 3-point shooting is a strength for this version of the Lakers and that was not the case for last year's team.

Giannis had 9 turnovers today.
   970. epoc Posted: January 21, 2021 at 10:17 PM (#6001120)
There's no shortage of bigs, but there are a shortage of bigs who can stay on the court in the playoffs.


There are a plethora of bigs who can stay on the court in the playoffs when the alternative is letting Jeff Green play center.

Snark aside, I agree with you that the Nets will continue to be bad defensively. I'm just saying that it's plausible they aren't godawful once they get a couple actual centers on the roster. Given that they pretty much have to import a center or two, it's kind of hard to say now exactly what they're going to end up looking like come playoff time.
   971. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2021 at 10:30 PM (#6001121)
ekpe udoh isn't walking through that door.
edy tavares isn't walking through that door.
scott pollard isn't walking through that door.
   972. tshipman Posted: January 22, 2021 at 12:24 AM (#6001125)
The Lakers did win tonight but shot over 50% from 3. They are now shooting an unsustainably good 40%. It does seem that 3-point shooting is a strength for this version of the Lakers and that was not the case for last year's team.


KCP, Caruso and Kuzma are all stroking it from deep. I'd expect them all to regress as well, particularly Caruso and KCP.
   973. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: January 22, 2021 at 01:12 AM (#6001128)
At age 21, two recent seasons:

Player A: 20.5/3.7/3.7, .340/.502/.805
Player B: 20.8/3.1/3.0, .380/.501/.846

Any guesses?


As Votto noted, Player B is Collin Sexton last year. Player A is Donovan Mitchell in his rookie year. Sexton so far has demonstrated even better efficiency this year.

The big difference of course is that Mitchell was fine on defense, while Sexton has been a complete sieve in his first two seasons. Again, it's early, but he actually has also been much better this year so far on that side of the ball as well at least by the numbers. I don't know, still not sure I totally buy him, but when people do things like claim Jarrett Allen is now the Cavs' best player, I do wonder if Sexton isn't getting enough hype as an actually good offensive player.
   974. jmurph Posted: January 22, 2021 at 08:24 AM (#6001137)
Giannis had 9 turnovers today.

I thought he was terrible (on the Giannis scale, to be clear), one of the worst games I've seen from him in a couple years. I don't know what the finally tally was on his offensive fouls, but he should have had several more that instead went the other way. The Lakers are a very good defensive team, but he has to be better than that.
   975. spivey 2 Posted: January 22, 2021 at 08:35 AM (#6001138)
I thought he was terrible (on the Giannis scale, to be clear), one of the worst games I've seen from him in a couple years. I don't know what the finally tally was on his offensive fouls, but he should have had several more that instead went the other way. The Lakers are a very good defensive team, but he has to be better than that.


I've only watched a few games, but he's been way off it this year - this is reflected in his advanced and on/off stats too. I trust him to get it together, but I do worry that some of what he is - poor free throw shooting, prone to poor passes and decision making against good defense - may not go away. I don't think I've seen his passing really improve in the last couple of years, and when he gets walled off his tendency to just back up and shoot a 3 is still very high. He's still worth the supermax even if this is all he is, so I'm still super happy to have him on the team. But I've come to grips with in a do-or-die playoff game or playoff-level game, I think he's more of a top 5-8 player than a top 1-3 player.

But, the next thing might be realizing this and trying to get him touches where he gets his first touch at the top of the key or in the paint. I imagine that if Milwaukee doesn't at least make the ECFs and go down valiantly, Bud is probably gone and someone else can try that.
   976. asinwreck Posted: January 22, 2021 at 08:36 AM (#6001139)
Houston is trading a heavily-protected second-round pick that likely never will convey for Kevin Porter Jr., so Cleveland found a trade partner. May this go well; I suspect the organization has had a few conversations with John Lucas about providing a support structure to Porter. Lucas certainly has an extensive background helping troubled athletes.
   977. PJ Martinez Posted: January 22, 2021 at 08:55 AM (#6001141)
For someone who has yet to watch them at all: how good are the Jazz?
   978. NJ in NJ Posted: January 22, 2021 at 09:27 AM (#6001144)
For someone who has yet to watch them at all: how good are the Jazz?

I've been burned by the Jazz the last couple years so I'm placing them in the Do It In The Playoffs bucket with Milwaukee and Paul George.
   979. jmurph Posted: January 22, 2021 at 09:48 AM (#6001147)
I've been burned by the Jazz the last couple years so I'm placing them in the Do It In The Playoffs bucket with Milwaukee and Paul George.

Same, and they've had something of a soft early schedule, but I do think they look good.
   980. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 22, 2021 at 10:19 AM (#6001150)
Anthony Slater @anthonyVslater
Here's the Draymond Green to James Wiseman fastbreak turnover, the TNT on court mic'd up conversation between the two and then Green's detailed postgame explanation on why he wants to put Wiseman in tough spots like that

https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1351442983204265991
   981. tshipman Posted: January 22, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6001192)
For someone who has yet to watch them at all: how good are the Jazz?


Stop me if you've heard this one before:

Good team that is overperforming from 3, probably good, but not this good. Also, Mike Conley found a little fountain of youth (at least for two months).

Weird that all of the top 3 teams in the west are overperforming from 3, but I guess not that weird, since it's selection bias.

League as a whole is shooting significantly better from 3 than ever before: 36.5%. Does the COVID schedule changes and no fans have something to do with it? Probably just random chance.
   982. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: January 22, 2021 at 12:01 PM (#6001201)
What do you guys make of Giannis shooting 58% from the free throw line? I mean, this guy was basically a 75% shooter from the line for 5 years. There's going to be some fluctuation in the 3 point percentage from year to year but it's surprising to me that he's shooting from the line poorly now?
   983. rr doesn't talk to pawns Posted: January 22, 2021 at 12:03 PM (#6001205)
Alternate unis: Likely an age thing, and not a big deal in the scheme of things, but I find the way uniforms are now tiresome. I would like every team to have a home uni, a road uni, and one alternate that they could change year-to-year, with some type of relevant theme, that they could wear 15-20 times a year. Could be retro, city, tribute to player, whatever.

Milwaukee: They are still 2nd in ORTG and have an 11-4 PYTH. A little off on D, relatively--10th. Antetokounmpo is off a bit from his awesomeness of the last two years, but I wouldn't worry. Spivey knows more about Milwaukee than I do, but I think that Budenholzer will be gone unless they make the Finals, even though I think he has shown that he is a good coach.

Utah: The only guy notably over his head, really, is Clarkson, but yeah, they are at .403 as a team from 3. I think a good season for them would be winning a playoff series.

Lakers: KCP and Caruso are hitting .569 and and .571 from 3, respectively, on 79 combined attempts, so those are obviously huge outliers.

   984. jmurph Posted: January 22, 2021 at 12:16 PM (#6001212)
I think it's just so hard to judge teams at the moment because of all of the Covid absences. The standard SOS, SRS style stuff doesn't tell much of a story yet. If you played, for example, Miami without Bam and Butler, the W over Miami on the schedule doesn't really tell us anything interesting.

There are always injuries and missed games in any season, but it's just obviously more extreme this year. Come June/July, whenever the playoffs take place, none of that stuff will matter, rings are rings and no one cares about excuses. But now, looking at team quality, I think it's difficult to evaluate teams with any certainty. (Other than obvious things like Lakers: Good! Pistons: Bad!)
   985. tshipman Posted: January 22, 2021 at 12:36 PM (#6001218)
What do you guys make of Giannis shooting 58% from the free throw line? I mean, this guy was basically a 75% shooter from the line for 5 years. There's going to be some fluctuation in the 3 point percentage from year to year but it's surprising to me that he's shooting from the line poorly now?


The results are statistically significant between this year and two years ago, so that's the starting point that we are seeing a real change. As for why ... hard to say, but the change seems to have been last year as well. Somewhat weirdly, he's always shot way worse at the line in the playoffs compared to the regular season.

I don't know whether a sports psychologist or a shooting coach or both is what he needs.

There are always injuries and missed games in any season, but it's just obviously more extreme this year. Come June/July, whenever the playoffs take place, none of that stuff will matter, rings are rings and no one cares about excuses. But now, looking at team quality, I think it's difficult to evaluate teams with any certainty. (Other than obvious things like Lakers: Good! Pistons: Bad!)


Yes. I would also say the league as a whole is harder to understand this year.
   986. spivey 2 Posted: January 22, 2021 at 01:02 PM (#6001224)
There's absolutely a mental component to what Giannis is going through on the free throw line. I'm not qualified to say how fixable that is, and what the appropriate next steps are.
   987. asinwreck Posted: January 22, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6001249)
Brooklyn's frontcourt woes are over.
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Free agent F/C Norvel Pelle is planning to sign with the Brooklyn Nets, pending clearance of Health and Safety protocols, agent @bjbass2 tells ESPN.
   988. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: January 22, 2021 at 03:35 PM (#6001264)
What do you think the Nuggets could get for Michael Porter Jr? Anything that might push them up a tier as a contender? Relatedly, would they be better off with OG Anunoby or Aaron Gordon?
   989. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 22, 2021 at 08:01 PM (#6001317)
What do you think the Nuggets could get for Michael Porter Jr? Anything that might push them up a tier as a contender? Relatedly, would they be better off with OG Anunoby or Aaron Gordon?
let's start from the back:

anunoby and gordon do not move the needle. porter might.

moving up a tier as a contender....anyone who is good enough to make that kind of a difference is not likely to be available.

who could they get:
oladipo
brogdon
john collins
porzingis
bertans
tharris
okafor
hield
bagley
vucevic
fournier
draymond

   990. asinwreck Posted: January 22, 2021 at 09:13 PM (#6001322)
Brooklyn's turnovers and lack of defense will likely result in the Nets dropping two in a row to Cleveland. Jarrett Allen, unsurprisingly, is having a terrific game.
   991. tshipman Posted: January 22, 2021 at 10:35 PM (#6001333)
Imagine mortgaging the next 10 years of your franchise to get the 4th seed.
   992. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 22, 2021 at 10:55 PM (#6001335)

Ky Carlin @Ky_Carlin
Ben Simmons on what people say on social media “I don’t give a #### honestly” #Sixers
   993. sardonic Posted: January 22, 2021 at 11:37 PM (#6001343)
Imagine mortgaging the next 10 years of your franchise to get the 4th seed.

Yeah, how could the Nets possibly imagine that?
   994. Harlond Posted: January 23, 2021 at 07:20 PM (#6001399)
ekpe udoh isn't walking through that door.
edy tavares isn't walking through that door.
scott pollard isn't walking through that door.
But Norvel Pelle is!
   995. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 23, 2021 at 07:27 PM (#6001402)
But Norvel Pelle is!
a short time ago, that would have seriously annoyed me.


Derek Bodner @DerekBodnerNBA

#sixers injury report, per Doc (just a nickname):
- Joel Embiid: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (but probably playing)
- Ben Simmons: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (but probably playing)
- Tobias Harris_ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (but probably playing)
- Mike Scott: out
- Vincent Poirier: out
   996. Powderhorn™, arrogant local sailing champion Posted: January 23, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#6001420)
Halftime. Jazz 77, Warriors 47. I'm lucky that I like the Jazz. Instead of being angry, I can admire the profound asskicking they are delivering. They look great so far.
   997. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 23, 2021 at 10:20 PM (#6001421)
great play joel; don't ever ####### do it again.
   998. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: January 23, 2021 at 10:24 PM (#6001422)
John Hollinger @johnhollinger
Can Norvell Pelle save the Nets? MY COLUMN:

   999. SteveF Posted: January 24, 2021 at 06:26 AM (#6001436)
Talk about Betteridge's law of headlines...
   1000. asinwreck Posted: January 24, 2021 at 08:07 AM (#6001438)
When Cristiano Felicio plays in the first quarter, the opposing team's best players will not play in the fourth quarter.
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