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Friday, October 15, 2021

NBA 2021-2022 Season Thread

I estimate there are maybe 10-12 Primates left on this site, and none of us want to post this thread.

Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: October 15, 2021 at 11:39 AM | 4178 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   4001. tshipman Posted: April 11, 2022 at 02:24 PM (#6071167)
I would assume the appeal for Nurse would be his longstanding love of getting paid a shitton of money. He makes 8 million per year and presumably the Lakers would offer quite a bit more.
   4002. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: April 11, 2022 at 02:29 PM (#6071168)
Looks like Matisse Thybulle can't play in Toronto. That would be an interesting playoff wrinkle


This is confirmed. He won't be allowed to travel, and will miss games 3 and 4. Here's a quote:
Thybulle said he has accepted that his decision could hurt the Sixers, his reputation and future earnings, but he did not see any benefits he could get from trying "alternative medicine."




   4003. Cagerfan Posted: April 11, 2022 at 02:53 PM (#6071171)
It’s Official

Vogel out.
   4004. SteveF Posted: April 11, 2022 at 04:09 PM (#6071176)
It's 2035. LeBron James has just become the new owner of your favorite NBA team. Are you excited, ambivalent, indifferent, or horrified?
   4005. Cagerfan Posted: April 11, 2022 at 04:14 PM (#6071177)
Horrified. He’d be about as successful as MJ has been.
   4006. smileyy Posted: April 11, 2022 at 04:18 PM (#6071178)
Second vote for horrified.
   4007. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 11, 2022 at 04:59 PM (#6071183)
For purposes of #4004 I'll assume Lincoln, Nebraska has finally scored an NBA team. In that case, sure, we'd need the publicity.
   4008. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: April 11, 2022 at 05:30 PM (#6071186)
Horrified. He’d be about as successful as MJ has been.


The Hornets kind of are my favorite team, so I think I'd be excited to turn the page on Jordan.

Who's the best former player turned GM? Ainge? Dumars?
   4009. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 11, 2022 at 05:35 PM (#6071188)
4008:

Jerry West
   4010. An Athletic in Powderhorn, Silly Posted: April 11, 2022 at 05:36 PM (#6071190)
I've already had 2015-2018. Having what seemed like every conversation about your team turned into a conversation about LeBron... that was not a fun experience. I don't recommend it.
   4011. tshipman Posted: April 11, 2022 at 05:56 PM (#6071192)
You have to consider the alternative to Lebron as well. Would I rather have Lebron own my team or some finance billionaire ########? Probably LBJ, depending on the identity and competence of random finance billionaire ########.

There are way more Vivek Ranadives out there than Ballmers.
   4012. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 11, 2022 at 08:43 PM (#6071213)
Owner is different then running a team, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed.

Like tship said:
Justin Kubatko @jkubatko
Starting in 1983-84, the Kings posted 15 straight losing seasons.

They hired Rick Adelman in 1998 and ripped off eight straight winning seasons, including eight playoff appearances.

Adelman's contract was not renewed following the 2005-06 season. You know the rest of the story.


They haven't been to the playoffs since.

Also:
Bill Oram @billoram
Rob Pelinka is not owning the fact that the Lakers humiliated Frank Vogel. He is dismissing initial report as unsourced and unsubstantiated. Says Vogel "factually heard about our decision in an in-person meeting this morning."
   4013. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: April 11, 2022 at 09:22 PM (#6071215)
I don't think you can rule out the possibility that LeBron is still putting up 20 points per game in 2035 and is joining your team as a player-owner.
   4014. Cagerfan Posted: April 11, 2022 at 09:48 PM (#6071218)
Yes. Jerry west for best ex-player GM.
   4015. Cagerfan Posted: April 11, 2022 at 11:18 PM (#6071225)
Pelinka sounds like one of those classic company man org chart climbing slime bags who infect every organization. Short on talent and ability, long on manipulation and office politics skills.
   4016. tshipman Posted: April 12, 2022 at 12:01 AM (#6071229)
Bill Oram @billoram
Rob Pelinka is not owning the fact that the Lakers humiliated Frank Vogel


I don't think you had to fire Vogel, and I think that Vogel had a bit of tough sledding this last year.

That said, NBA media is all of a sudden deciding that there are rules of decorum or something around firing a coach, as if it were not completely commonplace for guys to be openly speculated about being canned every single year. Did Sacramento "humiliate" Alvin Gentry by firing him? If anyone cared about the Kings, it was widely leaked that he wouldn't be coming back.

I get that Vogel wasn't to blame for the Lakers, but all the protesting is a bit much. He's an average to above average coach--those guys get fired literally every year!
   4017. SteveF Posted: April 12, 2022 at 12:24 AM (#6071232)
When I think of people associated with the Lakers who should feel humiliated by this season, Vogel isn't even in my top 5.
   4018. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 12, 2022 at 12:36 AM (#6071234)
Yes. Jerry west for best ex-player GM.


Pat Riley?
   4019. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 12, 2022 at 01:20 AM (#6071235)
The Lakers FO deserves to be eating a lot of shitt right now, and while Vogel did not do a great job this year, he was not the main problem. That said, Oram is kind of a troll when it comes to the way that he covers the Lakers.

The Nick Nurse thing: I learned today that Nurse is a Klutch client, which probably explains the rumor/leak. While shipman is ofc right about money in a general sense, I will be quite surprised if a guy who is actually coaching a good team (Nurse, Snyder, Rivers) leaves that situation voluntarily for the Lakers job.

Steve Clifford doesn't have a job right now AFAIK and was an assistant on the ill-fated Dwightmare Lakers team before getting hired by Charlotte. I think that Pelinka may want another guy with NBA HC experience (Juwan Howard's name has been tossed out but it is hard for me to picture a guy who has only been a college HC coaching this team) so Clifford seems like a guy who would take the Lakers job.
   4020. Paul D(uda) Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:31 AM (#6071240)
How much would the Lakers pay? $8 million a year, what Nurse makes now, seems really good for a coach
   4021. O Tempura, O Morays ('Spos) Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:43 AM (#6071241)
Trading coaches in the NBA isn't the same as trading players, as they can only be dealt in exchange for draft picks and must sign off on the move.


From here.

Is this really the case? If so...
   4022. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 08:04 AM (#6071242)
I mean, what’s the upside of taking the Lakers job, aside from cash? You know going in you’re going to be first up against the wall when something goes wrong with this group. Clifford makes sense, but a coach in a good situation? I don’t see it.
   4023. asinwreck Posted: April 12, 2022 at 08:09 AM (#6071243)
I could see Snyder getting tired of the Gobert-Mitchell tensions and leaving this Jazz team for the right offer. That could well be the case of a successful coach and front office having had their fill of each other. Whether or not he'd want to deal with the Lakers' dysfunction is another matter.

Nurse seems to be closely aligned with the front office in Toronto. I would be surprised if he went anywhere over the next couple of seasons.

LeBron just said he wasn't going to be making roster decisions, but I imagine he'll have a large say in the coaching hire. Lue and Spo are not available, so there isn't an obvious candidate from his past. I wonder what he thinks of Lloyd Pierce? His (quite young) Hawks team underperformed but he seems to be widely respected.
   4024. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:00 AM (#6071249)
That said, NBA media is all of a sudden deciding that there are rules of decorum or something around firing a coach, as if it were not completely commonplace for guys to be openly speculated about being canned every single year. Did Sacramento "humiliate" Alvin Gentry by firing him? If anyone cared about the Kings, it was widely leaked that he wouldn't be coming back.

I don't think that was just about him getting fired, or even the constant speculation. In this case, Woj reported the firing the night before and then Pelinka is up there denying that as true. In his defense, I don't know what you're supposed to do in that situation if someone in your FO is leaking (it of course could even have been Pelinka for all we know). Mainly because it was the Lakers and LeBron, Vogel being dragged publicly for so long did seem more extreme/notable/loud that usual. If nothing else - and I know nothing about Oram - from afar it seems like Vogel was liked by most reporters (and that could be very well because he was a great source).
   4025. spivey Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:25 AM (#6071251)
I think part of the Vogel situation is the front office made some terrible roster decisions in the offseason that were fairly widely criticized at the time, failed exactly how people thought they would, and those were a huge part of the team falling from contender to this.

There's just an unjust nature to the whole situation here that feels more pronounced. Why does Pelinka have a job? Why isn't he fired? He created this train wreck that probably ###### not just this year but likely next year too.

Of course this happens when lower teams have their coaching carousels too, but the coaches canned usually don't have recent rings or even playoff success.
   4026. PJ Martinez Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:47 AM (#6071253)
I mean, Vogel himself said "I haven't been told ####," and he's never seemed like an especially off-the-cuff, bomb-throwing type of guy. So it seems pretty reasonable to suspect that ownership has handled it badly.
   4027. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:47 AM (#6071254)
I mean, bad ownership is bad ownership. Ask me, as a Wovles fan, how I know!
   4028. PJ Martinez Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:19 AM (#6071256)
LeBron James would be very enthused by the prospect of Mark Jackson landing the Lakers head coaching job, sources tell
@sam_amick.
   4029. asinwreck Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:34 AM (#6071258)
<Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif>
   4030. Cagerfan Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:52 AM (#6071259)
I think part of the Vogel situation is the front office made some terrible roster decisions in the offseason that were fairly widely criticized at the time, failed exactly how people thought they would, and those were a huge part of the team falling from contender to this.
The funny thing is, the MSM at the time thought the Westbrook trade was brilliant, and many had the Lakers as one of the leading contenders for the title in pre-season polls. For instance, BB-Ref had the Lakers pegged at 52.5 wins preseason, tied with Utah for 3rd. NBCS ports had them second behind the Nets (another team that was grossly overestimated, though there was at least some substance to that there). ESPN had them 3rd, behind the Nets and the Bucks. SI hads them #2, behind the Nets. It's easy to forget so many people, who are supposed to know what they are talking about and have a fulltime job that is paying them to get it right, got it so badly wrong. Which situates Pelinka somewhere in the MSM, conventional wisdom train of thought. IOW, he doesn't know the difference between a strong roster and a weak one, and I guess is blaming Vogel for not making diamonds out of dogshit.

So what did they get wrong, or what did they fail to consider in the construction of this roster? Quite a few actually:

1. They thought Westbrook was actually a good player who could help them win (see WS/48 trajectory above).
2. Failed to take into account fully Lebron is in the steep downcurve part of his age/performance career trajectory.
3) Failed to fully comprehend the likelihood Anthony Davis would get hurt for extended periods.
4) Expected a bench full of has-beens (Melo, Howard, Rondo, Ellington, Ariza, Jordan et al) would make an effective second unit.
5) Traded away most of the players one would expect improvement from over the course of the season, and replaced them with players one would expect to get worse (see comment above).
6) Gave themselves no room to manuever at the trade deadline by bringing on an untradeable albatross (Westbrook and other worthless assets, the over-the-hill gang bench) while trading away their near term 1st round draft picks and near prime players.
7) Did not consider the hit the defense would take by having so many old, slow, players on the roster.
8) Let Lebron and other players have undue influence on roster construction.

So, the real problem is having a very bad front office who don't know what they are doing. And the responsibility of the front office underperforming falls upon ownership, who should be thinking about firing Pelinka rather than blaming a coach.




   4031. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:12 AM (#6071260)
I'm not convinced Mark Jackson actually wants a job, as much as he just wants people thinking every year that he's a top candidate.
   4032. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:16 AM (#6071262)
I'm not convinced Mark Jackson actually wants a job, as much as he just wants people thinking every year that he's a top candidate.
people said the same thing about jon gruden, and look how well that turned out.
   4033. PJ Martinez Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:45 AM (#6071268)
Is Mark Jackson still represented by Klutch?
   4034. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 12, 2022 at 12:28 PM (#6071271)
The thing with Mark Jackson is that he (or his people, I guess) seem to want his name in consideration for every good NBA coaching job that opens up, but it's unclear in most of those cases how seriously the team took him as a candidate. It may be he wants people to remember he's a coach, it may be he really wants the jobs but can't get traction. He's connected enough that I don't think a team would publicly laugh at the idea of his candidacy, so I don't think we'll know until/unless he takes another coaching gig.
   4035. KronicFatigue Posted: April 12, 2022 at 12:32 PM (#6071273)
Feels like getting fired is the best thing that could happen to Vogel. He gets the money from his last year of the contract and doesn't have to stick around for what's going to be another miserable season next year. And in fact, the narrative now is "Vogel's being unfairly judged". Win-win

   4036. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 12, 2022 at 12:46 PM (#6071275)
Why does Pelinka have a job? Why isn't he fired?


Because he is about 19 months removed from a champagne shower. Also, he is "family" and like I have said many times, for the foreseeable future, Jeanie Buss will run the Lakers like her old man did, for better and for worse. I think giving Pelinka next year, especially given James's contract status, is reasonable. I have a higher opinion of Pelinka than about 90% of the Lakers fanbase and blogosphere does, and I think we will know more about whether I am right in about a year.

As far as the night-before Woj bomb thing, the Lakers have been very "leaky" for a long time. I am sure it pissed off Vogel, but everybody pretty much knew he was done. As to the "dysfunction" issue, yeah, for sure, but a lot of that is "stars being unable to stay on the floor and bad roster decisions." No one was talking about it in 2020.

Finally, yes, to some extent Vogel got screwed, but he is not the first coach to get jammed up due to FO failures. That said, this was an egregious example.
   4037. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 12, 2022 at 12:48 PM (#6071276)
what's going to be another miserable season next year.


That is certainly quite possible, but I would not count James and Davis out just yet. Not an especially relevant topic at the moment.
   4038. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 12:57 PM (#6071279)
That is certainly quite possible, but I would not count James and Davis out just yet. Not an especially relevant topic at the moment.

I wouldn't either but I don't see how their on-court performance will be better than it was this year. Will AD remember how to shoot? What will moving Russ yield?
   4039. Cagerfan Posted: April 12, 2022 at 01:24 PM (#6071283)
The Big Three (that aren’t actually that big) are all going to be a year older. They have no 1st rd draft pick. They have no assets to trade. The best case scenario for them is to blow it up for draft picks and young players with promise. I’d much rather watch a bad but developing team with a roster of future promise than the dead man walking team they have now.
   4040. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: April 12, 2022 at 01:35 PM (#6071285)
2. Failed to take into account fully Lebron is in the steep downcurve part of his age/performance career trajectory.

LBJ averaged more points, more rebounds, more assists, shot better from 3, shot better overall from the field, had more steals, and more blocks than Jayson Tatum this year.

That's not everything but LBJ can still be the best player on a contender. No doubt.

I wouldn't either but I don't see how their on-court performance will be better than it was this year. Will AD remember how to shoot? What will moving Russ yield?


The Lakers will most likely make the playoffs if LBJ and AD play 65+ games with each other next year, no matter what the rest of the roster looks like.

I think it is stupid that they fired Vogel.

   4041. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 01:39 PM (#6071287)
The Lakers will most likely make the playoffs if LBJ and AD play 65+ games with each other next year, no matter what the rest of the roster looks like.

I agree with this, but I also think that the chances of that are not greater than they were this year.
   4042. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: April 12, 2022 at 01:48 PM (#6071289)
How much cap space to the Lakers gain if they waive Russ?
   4043. Cagerfan Posted: April 12, 2022 at 01:53 PM (#6071290)
Russian, Lebron bought those numbers by taking plays off on defense to conserve himself. He was a part of the reason the Laker defense was so bad. I think he’s done as a guy who can lead a team to a title.
   4044. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 12, 2022 at 02:05 PM (#6071292)
wouldn't either but I don't see how their on-court performance will be better than it was this year. Will AD remember how to shoot? What will moving Russ yield?


The Westbrook rumors involve New York, Charlotte and Indiana. Hayward, Randle, Rose, Fournier, Rozier, Oubre, Hield, Brogdon--guys like that. Some of this is from Stein's substack, but I have no idea if it is legit. The answers are pretty obvious:

1. James and Davis have to stay on the floor more; James has to stay about where he is, and Davis has to get closer to where he was in 2020. James is still one of the best offensive players in the game. James and Davis played 22 games together this year; the team was 11-11. James's D is now pretty bad, and adding Westbrook and Anthony to that, letting Caruso leave, and Davis's injuries, wrecked the D. Vogel was never the guy to handle the O.
2. They need to get some youngish legs who will hustle and try to D up, and they need to get an actual 3. They can keep Reaves, Gabriel and Johnson as like 8-10 players, but they need other ones. These will be players who are limited of course, someone like Luwawu-Caborrot. But they need to get very cheap ones and hope that these guys can contribute.
3. They need a serviceable youngish 5--someone like Damian Jones (whom they had on a 10-day last year).
4. If Westbrook is still on the team, they need to do better with getting him and James to play off-ball--set picks, cut, etc.

None of this is great stuff to bet on, but I am not in the BLOW IT UP! camp. James and Davis remain very gifted players, and they are under contract. I would try to improve the defense, get younger, get a coach who is better at O than Vogel (not a tall order) and hope for the best.
   4045. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 12, 2022 at 02:46 PM (#6071297)
How much cap space to the Lakers gain if they waive Russ?

Zero. Do you mean buy him out and then stretch him? Some, but not enough to make a difference and they'll still have him on the books for years (they finally just stopped having to count Deng against their cap).
   4046. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 12, 2022 at 03:03 PM (#6071303)
4045

Correct. Stretching Westbrook would mean 15M against the cap for three years; I am 100% opposed to that.
   4047. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: April 12, 2022 at 03:06 PM (#6071304)
None of this is great stuff to bet on, but I am not in the BLOW IT UP! camp.


I don't think the Lakers should ever blow it up. It is the glamour franchise in a market that free agents want to be in. The Lakers can get better in more ways than maybe any other franchise (Heat is #2?). When you have all-time great players you go for it and let tomorrow take care of itself (and it likely will, sooner than later).

That said I think the Lakers are in as bad a spot as they can be with LeBron and Davis and I am not optimistic about next year for them.
   4048. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: April 12, 2022 at 03:06 PM (#6071305)
There should probably be a playoff thread (we are due for a new tread, right?)
   4049. smileyy Posted: April 12, 2022 at 03:11 PM (#6071306)

4. If Westbrook is still on the team, they need to do better with getting him and James to play off-ball--set picks, cut, etc.


Maybe the Lakers with Westbrook and James would be better off petitioning for multiball, given how many guys seem to need the ball in their hand to be effective.

Or would that just cancel itself out or worse on the defensive end?

Russ ain't gonna do anything but Russ, and LeBron does that better than him. Westbrook can't be around next year, can he?
   4050. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 12, 2022 at 03:22 PM (#6071308)
I actually think the theory of the case of what the Lakers tried to do this year is reasonable.

First off, to think short-term. LeBron's age and Davis's health likely mean it's right to go hard every year and not worry too much about the impact on future years.

Second, you're going to have LeBron and Davis miss lots of minutes and games. Get a high usage player for all that.

Third, skimp on the rest of the roster under the assumption that a good coach can turn replacement level players into an adequate supporting cast, especially on D as a coach that excels on that side of the ball. LeBron and Russ know what offense they want to run, so you probably don't need / can't use much from your coach on O.

The execution left something to be desired, but the theory of the case I don't really see a problem with. In addition, if you don't have Great LeBron and a healthy enough Davis at least for the playoffs, it really doesn't matter what you do, so betting on the scenario where you have those things is very logical.

It's hard to imagine there was any approach that would have resulted in the Lakers winning the title this year (given exogenous circumstances), so it kind of didn't matter what they did anyway.

Execution of the approach was bad, to be sure (Caruso for one), though honestly I'm not sure who they could have gotten better than Westbrook to be a second offensive heliocenter.

For next year, they're again forced to bet on a prime LBJ and relatively healthy Davis. I'm not sure I wouldn't try the same theory of the case as this year. The odds are not good, but that's true no matter what the approach (and I agree tearing down is wrong).
   4051. smileyy Posted: April 12, 2022 at 03:41 PM (#6071317)
Do the Lakers make the play-in game if you swap THT for Caruso?
   4052. Harlond Posted: April 12, 2022 at 06:57 PM (#6071388)
Two fewer games for Grayson Effing Allen to injure him.
   4053. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:09 PM (#6071390)
RR, how isn’t he stein substack?

I vote no more lakers talk until the lottery.

I’m looking forward to the play in this week.

   4054. SteveF Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:11 PM (#6071391)
Zone baby!
   4055. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:17 PM (#6071393)
Brooklyn just doesn’t try on defense. Cleveland should just feeding guys inside.
   4056. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:19 PM (#6071394)
As soon as I type that KD stuffs the #### out of LM..
   4057. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:25 PM (#6071395)
Interesting article:
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/04/12/bucks-still-elite-and-warriors-nuggets-looks-like-high-level-series-when-adjusting-for-postseason-rotations/
   4058. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:40 PM (#6071397)
The Nets are such a high variance team. They could hang this type of offensive performance on lots of teams, just not consistently and might give up just as many. It's something to see when it's on (and it's funny Bruce Brown has the most FGA in a quarter when they hung 40 - he has over half of the team's missed shots!)
   4059. SteveF Posted: April 12, 2022 at 07:49 PM (#6071398)
Cleveland may be too inept on offense to win one of these play-in games.
   4060. SteveF Posted: April 12, 2022 at 08:01 PM (#6071399)
Brooklyn should surreptitiously increase the size of the court at halftime.
   4061. tshipman Posted: April 12, 2022 at 08:52 PM (#6071405)
Amazing stat I heard today:

Of Cleveland's top 6 players, only one played over 70 games, and that player was Kevin Love. It's a trifecta of unlikely things!
   4062. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 12, 2022 at 08:58 PM (#6071407)
Damn, Kyrie missed one
   4063. SteveF Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:00 PM (#6071409)
Chris Paul would be jealous.
   4064. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:07 PM (#6071410)
I hate the steph/crypto commercials.

I think they are really dangerous.
   4065. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:12 PM (#6071411)
I can’t believe Cleveland is trying to defend KD with Lauri. I feel like Brooklyn should be hunting that, that Cleveland is just raising there hand being like hey hey over here!
   4066. spivey Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:12 PM (#6071412)
Durant's really grown as a passer in the last year.

I really appreciate Cleveland making some tough shots in the 4th here to make Brooklyn earn it.
   4067. spivey Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:18 PM (#6071413)
I like this Brooklyn closing lineup quite a bit. Durant/Kyrie/Curry/Brown/Claxton. Especially if Bruce Brown is willing to take 2-3 3s a game and make them at a league average rate.

I never really understood why they went away from Bruce Brown so much this year, but he's putting up 14.7/5.9/3.7 on great efficiency post-ASB.
   4068. spivey Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:27 PM (#6071416)
Taking a quick 2 down 7 with 10 seconds left is such an unserious basketball play.
   4069. SteveF Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:28 PM (#6071417)
Anyone with Cavs +8.5 is happy.
   4070. Cagerfan Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:30 PM (#6071418)
Unimpressive win by the Nets. Irving was 12-15 and it was still a close game.
   4071. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:42 PM (#6071421)
Hearing Kevin Harlan calling Wovles games takes me back.
   4072. spivey Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:43 PM (#6071422)
I love the Twin Cities and I'm happy their fans are getting to watch playoff or playoff-adjacent basketball.
   4073. Cagerfan Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:44 PM (#6071423)
Both Morris brothers are such cheap shot artists.
   4074. Cagerfan Posted: April 12, 2022 at 09:45 PM (#6071424)
Edwards reminds me of Mitch Richmond. He’s going to be really good.
   4075. tshipman Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:13 PM (#6071426)
I'm kinda surprised the Clips came out big, and I'm even more surprised that it worked really well.
   4076. tshipman Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:23 PM (#6071429)
I hate the steph/crypto commercials.

I think they are really dangerous.


I agree, but it's going to take something to make it clear for society.
   4077. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:39 PM (#6071431)
Towns really is getting in his own head.
   4078. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:39 PM (#6071432)
@tshipman - I don’t know that society as a whole cares about anything enough - and can apply leverage to change a damn thing - outside the Oscar’s…. #getoffmylawn

3:50 left in min vs lac - min leaving a lot to be desired. I have clippers +3 and Reggie to score more that 14 - but Min is playing well below their potential.
   4079. Cagerfan Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:42 PM (#6071433)
WTF? A female fan glued herself to the floor under the basket?
   4080. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:48 PM (#6071435)
Your guess is as good as mine.
   4081. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:51 PM (#6071438)
Reggie Miller is terrible.
   4082. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:53 PM (#6071439)
Since my last post, basically the wolves did a great job closing the gap with Kat in foul trouble. The big story, imho was clipper half court was terrible and Paul George just decided to try and “take over”… and yeah. Then again I’m tipsy.


   4083. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:54 PM (#6071440)
Russell is so maddening as a fan.
   4084. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 10:55 PM (#6071441)
I think Paul George is the most overrated player in the nba… but yeah - I’m tipsy. I
   4085. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:02 PM (#6071442)
I very happy that the half-time show is Red Panda.
   4086. Cagerfan Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:05 PM (#6071444)
You mean Playoff Paul?
   4087. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:10 PM (#6071447)
Greg Anthony has aged well. Good on him!
   4088. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:14 PM (#6071448)
I hate the steph/crypto commercials.

I think they are really dangerous.
i agree with you in principle, but noone who gets into crypto is living hand to mouth.

the target audience for that #### is (nearly) exclusively sitting courtside.
   4089. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:22 PM (#6071450)
Meaningful basketball in Minnesota in April. #######.
   4090. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:29 PM (#6071451)
Am I wrong for wanting Morris and Beverley both to get ejected?
   4091. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:32 PM (#6071453)
Yeah, KAT is all out of sorts. Forcing a lot on offense.
   4092. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:39 PM (#6071454)


i agree with you in principle, but noone who gets into crypto is living hand to mouth.



I pretty strongly disagree. Not sure who they are targeting, but I really worry they are “persuading” the folks who have zero experience Sniffing out the scammers…. Who aren’t the front row folks.
   4093. Mike A Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:42 PM (#6071455)
Steph's Subway commercials also seem dangerous since they might convince someone to eat there.
   4094. MHS Posted: April 12, 2022 at 11:55 PM (#6071458)
Mike, all do respect. But no. Apples and Kumquats.
   4095. tshipman Posted: April 13, 2022 at 12:01 AM (#6071460)
The Steph commercials are bad because they normalize it for kids, particularly young boys. Who are already the target demo for that kid of stupid scammy ####.

Steph's Subway commercials also seem dangerous since they might convince someone to eat there.


No one is that stupid.
   4096. SteveF Posted: April 13, 2022 at 12:09 AM (#6071462)
This Clippers fourth quarter reminds me of other Clippers fourth quarters past.
   4097. Mike A Posted: April 13, 2022 at 12:10 AM (#6071463)
Ah, just messing around. As a finance guy, I'm not entirely sure what to think of crypto yet. But I'm admittedly a little uncomfortable with sports turning to gambling/crypto/etc.

I'm really not sure what Towns was thinking. Those 5th and 6th fouls were just so ridiculous. Fun but kinda ugly game.
   4098. SteveF Posted: April 13, 2022 at 12:14 AM (#6071464)
Beat LA chant against the Clippers? Blasphemous!
   4099. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 13, 2022 at 12:50 AM (#6071465)
i agree with you in principle, but noone who gets into crypto is living hand to mouth.


This is not at all true (I have done research on this as part of my job). There are lots of people who essentially are investing their last $500 or whatever in crypto. It's basically a lottery-type instrument for these folks.
   4100. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: April 13, 2022 at 07:26 AM (#6071469)
i agree with you in principle, but noone who gets into crypto is living hand to mouth.

the target audience for that #### is (nearly) exclusively sitting courtside.

As has been said by others, but just to emphasize, this is about as wrong as you can possibly be about something. Which is saying a lot for stiggles. Crypto is a massive pyramid scheme, with the types who sit courtside, and the unethical scammers, absolutely rinsing the type of people who live hand-to-mouth, and don't have the expertise or the resources to compete.
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