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Friday, May 21, 2021

NBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread

I estimate there are maybe 10-12 Primates left on this site, and they all post in the NBA thread.

Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:07 PM | 3863 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1301. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:23 PM (#6024378)
The Nets are basically 70% on jump shots the last 2 quarters, but they've taken advantage of Brook Lopez' slow foot speed quite a bit both on high pick and rolls for KD and on getting open 3s for Green and Griffin. I'd think about playing smallball lineup with Tucker/Giannis/Connaughton/Middleton/Jrue. In fact, I probably start the 4th with that. I don't think you'll get killed on the glass here because Middleton, Giannis, and Connaughton rebound pretty well, and Harden isn't going for rebounds right now.
   1302. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:32 PM (#6024383)
Tucker is not guarding Durant with the same ferocity the last couple of quarters. Wonder if he's getting worn down. Durant's played the whole game though. Respect.
   1303. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:33 PM (#6024384)
I think Durant is one of those players it's easy to underrate as a basketball mind. He's so long and his jumpshot is so unbotherable and smooth that he seems unstoppable, but he's so damn smart, he doesn't make mistakes and always makes good choices.
   1304. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:33 PM (#6024385)
I don't understand why Bud had the Bucks go back to switching. Middleton and Tucker should still be fighting over the screens vs. Durant.
   1305. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:35 PM (#6024388)
The NBA has become college basketball with the charge calls the last year. Or maybe longer, but I've noticed it a lot this playoffs/year.
   1306. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:40 PM (#6024391)
Kevin Durant is having one of the best games I've ever seen from him. His passing and decision making has been better than I'm used to from him. I think you can win a championship with him as your best player.
   1307. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:45 PM (#6024396)
Milwaukee went from being able to get open 3s at will the last 7 quarters to back to playing basketball like they were in Q4 Game 3.
   1308. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:46 PM (#6024397)
Man, I don't want to have to count on Jeff Green ever, but he sure has his nights.
   1309. asinwreck Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:55 PM (#6024403)
Durant is amazing. Not a profound statement, but a true one.
   1310. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:58 PM (#6024405)
I can only imagine the fake stories Jay Williams is gonna make up after this game. Giannis, what the actual #### are you doing. You aren't Kevin Durant.
   1311. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:59 PM (#6024407)
Woof, what a brutal fumble.
   1312. smileyy Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:03 PM (#6024411)
Epic performance by Durant
   1313. smileyy Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:04 PM (#6024413)
Why did Giannis bring the ball up the court on that possession where Harden fouled him? That was obvious that was going to happen.
   1314. Tin Angel Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:04 PM (#6024414)
49-17-10!

And that will end things for Bud.
   1315. smileyy Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6024416)
Wow, what a collapse.
   1316. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:07 PM (#6024418)
####. I feel like Milwaukee had better shots, but their offense unraveled again in the 4th, a bit. Giannis had a very good game, but between the turnovers and the bad free throw shooting, it's just a lot. Not just the dropped ball, but he had Harden in mid-post in a tie game and took an awful turnaround fadeaway vs facing him up and taking him off the dribble. Giannis just doesn't make NBA championship decisions yet.
   1317. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:09 PM (#6024419)
Why did Giannis bring the ball up the court on that possession where Harden fouled him? That was obvious that was going to happen.


Only semi-related, but the entire 4th quarter, Giannis is just standing at the top of the 3point line, begging for the ball. It's just... ugh. That's not helping anyone.
   1318. asinwreck Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:12 PM (#6024424)
Durant played 48 minutes. Harden played 46 minutes. Game 6 is Thursday.
   1319. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:17 PM (#6024426)
I'm going to Game 6. I actually still think Milwaukee will win this series. They're better. They got Kevin Durant's best game of his career and Jeff Green's best game of his career, and barely won. But maybe Harden or Kyrie can play a bit better in Game 6 or 7. I'd be tempted to manage minutes of Durant and Harden if the Bucks blitz them in Game 6 early. Durant looked super worn down at the end of Game 4. Harden was short on like every shot. These games add up.
   1320. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:18 PM (#6024427)
what a choke job. I hope a new coach can make the team less panicky and dumb because they've been getting worked in high-leverage situations for 3 years straight.
   1321. tshipman Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:28 PM (#6024436)
Has a coach ever been fired in the middle of a playoff series before?
   1322. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:29 PM (#6024437)
Did Giannis guard KD at all? For the whole second half it was Tucker, Middleton, and sometimes Connaughton on the switch.
   1323. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:31 PM (#6024438)
no. when KD really got going and the Nets took the lead in the middle of the 4th, the Bucks were soft switching so the Nets just called up Brown to set a screen and easily got Connaughton on KD every time. Inexcusable.
   1324. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:34 PM (#6024443)
also I appreciate you guys sticking with me while I vent. It's just incredibly frustrating to see a team make the same mistakes over and over and never figure it out. And I have to hope most of it falls on Bud, because the alternative is that Giannis is an emotionally fragile dumbass.
   1325. spivey 2 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 11:43 PM (#6024447)
It’s both, Griffey. We made it way too easy for KD in the second half. I mean, he made all the tough shots too for the most part, but took us way too long to respond to the high pick and roll that had Tucker on an island. The soft switches were garbage too, and Brolo shouldn’t have even been out there. It should have been Tucker and then you go over and hedge recover as the screen defender.

Can’t remember the last big game Giannis was good from the free throw line or even just good period in the last 3 minutes. Some of Jrue’s shots in the fourth were wtf level bad. The team does panic. Reminds me a bit of the old Raptors actually. Milwaukee genuinely doesn’t look like they know what to do offensively and Bud is too slow to adjust defensively.

Giannis can’t defend Durant IMO. He doesn’t have good perimeter fundamentals. But then, he shouldn’t be considered for DPOY or MVP either. He’s about the 10th best player in the NBA, I’ve decided. A lurker posted the top 10, which I agree with. And he’s the last of those I’d take in a playoff 7 game series.
   1326. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:13 AM (#6024453)
It’s both, Griffey. We made it way too easy for KD in the second half. I mean, he made all the tough shots too for the most part, but took us way too long to respond to the high pick and roll that had Tucker on an island. The soft switches were garbage too, and Brolo shouldn’t have even been out there. It should have been Tucker and then you go over and hedge recover as the screen defender.


For me it's just, how did you let Kevin Durant beat you, when the rest of the team is a bunch of guys? How do you let Durant get whatever he wants and stay glued to the other guys? It's Kevin Durant. You can make him pick up his dribble, and you can make him give the ball up.
   1327. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 16, 2021 at 01:01 AM (#6024462)
I'd be tempted to manage minutes of Durant and Harden if the Bucks blitz them in Game 6 early


Why? The Bucks had a 14 point lead after the first quarter tonight and the Nets brushed it off just fine. No reason to surrender a game early.
   1328. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 16, 2021 at 07:36 AM (#6024474)
Durant is a bad, bad man. Wow, that was amazing. Whatever "it" is, he had it last night.
   1329. asinwreck Posted: June 16, 2021 at 08:45 AM (#6024477)
@ShamsCharania
Phoenix Suns All-NBA guard Chris Paul has entered COVID-19 health and safety protocols and is sidelined for an indefinite period of time, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
   1330. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: June 16, 2021 at 08:50 AM (#6024479)
Well, that stinks.
   1331. spivey 2 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:05 AM (#6024480)
Why? The Bucks had a 14 point lead after the first quarter tonight and the Nets brushed it off just fine. No reason to surrender a game early.


Wouldn't give up the game, like Reggie Miller was suggesting. You still want to let Bud and the players have a chance to spaz out in the last 18 minutes of the game.

But I don't think I'd play Durant 48/48/48 and Harden basically the same 3 games in a row. That said, if I were Nash, I'd start by running like 5 or 10 high ball screens (at the circle) with Durant, being screened by Brook Lopez' man, and just see if Milwaukee will adjust.
   1332. SteveF Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:26 AM (#6024482)
Kawhi is apparently out for game 5 because of a knee injury suffered in game 4. Status in doubt for rest of series according to Windy/Shelburne.

Good news for the Jazz. Clippers are screwed without Kawhi.
   1333. spivey 2 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:26 AM (#6024483)
Now it looks like Kawhi could miss the rest of the Clips/Jazz series. The injuries across teams is unprecedented this playoffs.
   1334. SteveF Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:29 AM (#6024484)
I've been pulling for the Jazz. I like the way they play. They've been pretty well run for a while now and I'd like to see that rewarded with a title.

Injuries are clearing the runway for them.
   1335. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:36 AM (#6024486)
I was super excited because it was such an open playoffs and a case could be made for almost any team. And then the injuries started and kept coming and coming.

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the playoffs and they are still wide open, but it is not ideal seeing all these great players not play.
   1336. asinwreck Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:36 AM (#6024487)
The spate of injuries across the league this postseason is dispiriting.
   1337. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:54 AM (#6024492)
My god what a nightmare with the injuries. I'm worried we're on pace for a terrible finals, because I think Brooklyn is going to get there and be completely limited by injuries.
   1338. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:57 AM (#6024493)
Wasn't paying attention to twitter during the game, but I scrolled back through after the fact and everyone was roasting the Bucks for not making Harden move on defense. They were targeting him in isos in the post which was basically the only thing he could even pretend to do defensively. And this was all in real time, before they choked away the game.

And Giannis, man. He's, incredibly, still only 26, so there is plenty of time to get better at the things he's bad at, but this series is a real hit to his standing in the league I think.
   1339. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:19 AM (#6024497)
Phoenix Suns All-NBA guard Chris Paul has entered COVID-19 health and safety protocols and is sidelined for an indefinite period of time, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

If he's vaccinated, he won't be in the protocol that long (assuming he's in it because of contact tracing). If he's not, well...it's his own damn fault this time if he's "injured" in the playoffs yet again. You can find a quote from him about the vaccine being a personal choice...

I've been pulling for the Jazz. I like the way they play. They've been pretty well run for a while now and I'd like to see that rewarded with a title.

Injuries are clearing the runway for them.


Conley is still out for them, and they'll need him at some point.

Now it looks like Kawhi could miss the rest of the Clips/Jazz series.

Maybe I'm forgetting, but I don't remember him getting hurt during the game.

Giannis can’t defend Durant IMO. He doesn’t have good perimeter fundamentals. But then, he shouldn’t be considered for DPOY or MVP either. He’s about the 10th best player in the NBA, I’ve decided. A lurker posted the top 10, which I agree with. And he’s the last of those I’d take in a playoff 7 game series.

I really am having a hard time thinking of a great player (or whatever category you want to put Giannis in - he did deserve those MVPs, IMO) who really was this much worse in the playoffs or in key moments. I know plenty of guys had those reputations until they won, but for once, I think Giannis has earned his - though I readily admit this could just be some sort of recency bias talking. IOW, I think I agree with most of this comment but also think Giannis *should* be able to guard Durant - or at least guard him as well as anyone else could.

---

Enough about the Bucks though. That game is more about Durant and it's probably his signature playoff game. It's weird that he can still get overshadowed for doing something like this. I jokingly considered the legacy impact of Harden playing, but never really seriously thought about what Durant could do to his legacy.

Kevin Pelton @kpelton ·11h

Per @Stathead, Kevin Durant is the third player since 1983-84 with a game score of better than 50 in a playoff game: https://bit.ly/3vrdVSj
55.9 Damian Lillard (6/1 @ DEN)
52.6 Charles Barkley (5/4/94 @ GSW)
50.4 Durant (6/15 vs. MIL)




   1340. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:29 AM (#6024504)
Maybe this all ends with the Atlanta Hawks hoisting the trophy over a league where every other contender had a star go down (except the Bucks who end up losing to the Nets injury ward anyway).
   1341. spivey 2 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:32 AM (#6024506)
I really am having a hard time thinking of a great player (or whatever category you want to put Giannis in - he did deserve those MVPs, IMO) who really was this much worse in the playoffs or in key moments. I know plenty of guys had those reputations until they won, but for once, I think Giannis has earned his - though I readily admit this could just be some sort of recency bias talking. IOW, I think I agree with most of this comment but also think Giannis *should* be able to guard Durant - or at least guard him as well as anyone else could.


NBA nerd twitter has been talking about Giannis vs. Durant a lot over the last 12 hours.

Giannis came up as more of a wing type, but defensively he is truly a big now. He doesn't have the lateral movement to stay with guys on the perimeter. He also just doesn't have good perimeter fundamentals. He reaches, etc. I think Durant would have him on skates - and he did guard Durant some in the first 2 games, and Giannis couldn't stay with him. I agree with this take, which I've seen Pelton/Partnow/Nate Jones all make. I think if you've watched a lot of Giannis, you'll realize that's just not what he's great at.

I think this poses a fair question of what Giannis truly is DPOY/all-NBA at. His rim protection numbers are very good - in terms of FG% allowed. But his rim protection quantity this year and last is quite low - at least, it's below the true rim protectors, including the Bucks main rim protector, Lopez. You can see those stats here, FYI. He plays a lot of free safety, and is good at it, but I wonder if he's truly all-NBA defense level. He doesn't get insane level of stocks given the freedom he has, and I don't think he is all-NBA in his reading of the game.

I also don't look at him as carrying this Bucks defense. Between Lopez, Jrue, and Middleton, they have 4 good to very good starting defenders. DiVincenzo and Connaughton are fine. It's not like he's carrying a bunch of defensive bums to a top team defense.

   1342. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:44 AM (#6024510)
Kevin Durant is having one of the best games I've ever seen from him. His passing and decision making has been better than I'm used to from him. I think you can win a championship with him as your best player.


Did anyone dispute that prior to last night's game? Because Durant looks like a top 10 player ever. If you can't win with him as your best, then the rest of the team really sucks.
   1343. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:02 AM (#6024516)
Stan Van, fired!
   1344. asinwreck Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:04 AM (#6024518)
I wouldn't mind him trading places with his brother. Not that JVG is the cure for what ails the Pelicans, but Stan is far less annoying behind the microphone.
   1345. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:05 AM (#6024519)
I think (hope) that bolded phrase was tongue-in-cheek.

But KD has previoushly shown that he can do everything he did last night. Last night he just played the whole damn game and was passing to Jeff Green and Bruce Brown instead of Steph Curry or Klay Thompson or Kyrie Irving.

I can't disagree with what you guys are saying about Giannis, but Jrue also has to be better. He's been okay, but he was brought in to be a difference maker.
   1346. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:28 AM (#6024524)
Scott Brooks out, too.

All the NBA things are happening today.
   1347. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:58 AM (#6024528)
If you were going to fire Stan after one year, why did you hire him in the first place?
   1348. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:09 PM (#6024529)
If you were going to fire Stan after one year, why did you hire him in the first place?

Griffin has made some weird moves there.
   1349. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:11 PM (#6024530)
If you were going to fire Stan after one year, why did you hire him in the first place?
the most likely explanation is that SVG is in the 'no shits given' phase of his career, and that created a hostile work environment for various people there (or maybe just for zion).


for what it's worth: as much as i like stan van gundy as a person, i did not want sixers to hire him last offseason.
   1350. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:14 PM (#6024531)
Oleh Kosel @OlehKosel
Everyone focused on how Zion Williamson will play for 3rd head coach in 3rd NBA season, but the overall timeline just ... stinks.

Aug 15: Gentry fired
Oct 21: SVG hired
May 16: Regular season finale
June 16: SVG fired

Super methodical hiring, flat results, cumbersome firing.

Scott Kushner @ScottDKushner
A disappointing season left Stan Van Gundy with tenuous relationships across the Pelicans organization. For months, sources around the team have noted tension was obvious with players, front office and there was almost no relationship with ownership.

   1351. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:22 PM (#6024533)
Griffin has made some weird moves there.


Easily the most overrated GM in the NBA. He has a good relationship with media people, so he gets good coverage, but his moves since taking over in New Orleans have basically all been bad except the AD trade.
   1352. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:28 PM (#6024535)
The reports are it's a positive test for Chris Paul.
   1353. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:31 PM (#6024536)
wow, it's been a hell of a day
--
Maybe this all ends with the Atlanta Hawks hoisting the trophy over a league where every other contender had a star go down (except the Bucks who end up losing to the Nets injury ward anyway).
as a fan of the hawks and low level chaos (i wish no lingering harm to any nba players), that would be amazing.
   1354. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:35 PM (#6024537)
Jalen Rose claims that Chris Paul has been vaccinated. Who knows how credible that claim is, but should influence the length of the time out.
   1355. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM (#6024542)
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
Clippers fear All-NBA star Kawhi Leonard has suffered an ACL injury, sources tell
@TheAthletic @Stadium. He is out indefinitely.
   1356. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 12:55 PM (#6024543)
wow, it's been a hell of a day


The list of injuries and outages just in the last few days is amazing:

Kyrie ankle
Chris Paul COVID
Coach Bud traumatic brain injury
Kawhi ACL
   1357. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 16, 2021 at 01:13 PM (#6024547)
i snorted at that, tship - then saw it a second time and laughed again.
   1358. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: June 16, 2021 at 01:19 PM (#6024548)
Man, that stinks. Kawhi has turned into maybe my favorite player.
   1359. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 16, 2021 at 01:27 PM (#6024551)
Also seeing reports that Chris Paul had the Pfizer vaccine in February (from the trusted medical professionals of twitter and reddit, but), which hopefully means he'll have no symptoms and be eligible to play in a few days. Terrible Kawhi news, though.
   1360. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 16, 2021 at 02:02 PM (#6024558)
@ShamsCharania
Mavericks GM Donnie Nelson and the franchise have decided to part ways, sources tell
@TheAthletic
   1361. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 16, 2021 at 02:44 PM (#6024565)
bob v also reportedly out in dal
   1362. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 02:57 PM (#6024566)
I would like to apologize to Donnie Nelson (! I am an idiot- h/t to tship) for getting him fired. I had no idea my posts in the NBA Thread at BBTF were so powerful, and I will choose my words more carefully in the future.

   1363. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 16, 2021 at 03:00 PM (#6024567)
When jmurph and Luka team up, no one can stop them!
   1364. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 03:02 PM (#6024568)
bob v also reportedly out in dal


Man, we just found out he was in!

I would like to apologize to Donnie Walsh for getting him fired. I had no idea my posts in the NBA Thread at BBTF were so powerful, and I will choose my words more carefully in the future.


Well, Donnie Walsh got fired in 2011, but it's good that you finally recognize the role you played in his dismissal.
   1365. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 03:09 PM (#6024569)
Well, Donnie Walsh got fired in 2011, but it's good that you finally recognize the role you played in his dismissal.

I would like to apologize for calling Donnie Nelson Donnie Walsh. I now understand, even more fully, the power of my words and will do better in the future.
   1366. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 03:10 PM (#6024570)
So in all seriousness, is this a "Donnie Nelson was the entire source for the hit piece on Bob V and Cuban didn't like it" kind of parting of ways?
   1367. PJ Martinez Posted: June 16, 2021 at 03:13 PM (#6024571)
In other NBA news, LaMelo is Rookie of the Year and LeBron is chewing out the league on Twitter for rushing the season and thus precipitating this raft of injuries.
   1368. CFBF's Results are Certified Posted: June 16, 2021 at 03:33 PM (#6024576)
Chris Paul sometimes feels like a character in a role-playing game who maxed out his points in a bunch of skills, but tried to get away with skimping on the "luck" trait, and it keeps biting him in the ass.
   1369. aberg Posted: June 16, 2021 at 04:21 PM (#6024591)
In other NBA news, LaMelo is Rookie of the Year and LeBron is chewing out the league on Twitter for rushing the season and thus precipitating this raft of injuries.


To be fair, even before the season started there were lots of players, coaches, and analysts who asked the question about whether players could hold up after a short offseason and a long, condensed regular season. It seems like the answer is a pretty resounding, "no." Sure, we can't definitively prove that the lack of time to recuperate caused all these injuries, but we do have lots of seasons with much lower injury rates and more rest, so it's hard not to at least speculate on that conclusion.
   1370. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 16, 2021 at 04:26 PM (#6024593)
Wasn't the negotiation around the start date pretty much the NBA saying "we have to do Christmas for the media money", the Players' Association saying "that's insane, no" and then the NBA showed them the financial projections and everyone agreed that it was a bad idea but worth it for the money? I don't think anyone has been caught by surprise by how bad the injuries are cumulatively, this is the deal with the devil they knew they were making.
   1371. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 04:37 PM (#6024596)
Sure, we can't definitively prove that the lack of time to recuperate caused all these injuries, but we do have lots of seasons with much lower injury rates and more rest, so it's hard not to at least speculate on that conclusion.

I'm very sympathetic to this argument, it's just that using Kawhi for this is probably not ideal. He played 52 regular season games. (LeBron didn't specifically mention Kawhi, but it seems like that's what prompted it. I guess it could have been Harden, too.)
   1372. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 04:56 PM (#6024602)
blaming the injuries on the short offseason is one of those things that can't really be proven or disproved, but feels right and will be the take-away basically regardless of what the truth is.
   1373. aberg Posted: June 16, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6024607)
I'm very sympathetic to this argument, it's just that using Kawhi for this is probably not ideal. He played 52 regular season games. (LeBron didn't specifically mention Kawhi, but it seems like that's what prompted it. I guess it could have been Harden, too.)


You could make this argument either way. If we point to guys who are old or injury-prone (Kawhi, Paul, Conley, Lebron, Irving, Harden, Durant, AD) and say they were already high risk, you could also say that's exactly why the regular season and summer need to provide opportunities for extended rest. If the Clips, for example, play 4 games per week instead of 3, it makes it that much harder for Kawhi to find time to get extended rest.

Who knows. I'm not a doctor.
   1374. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 16, 2021 at 05:17 PM (#6024608)
@RubenTalksKicks
Marc J Spears on The Jump:

- Luka is upset at Donnie Nelson firing
- Luka will comment about the firing tomorrow
- There are not currently ongoing talks on his extension.

That seems like a big deal.


LMAO. At least it sounds like they got rid of the gambler guy too. TBF, need a better source to confirm this but would not be that shocking if he's upset with the Mavs' FO mess.
   1375. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 16, 2021 at 05:20 PM (#6024611)
You could make this argument either way. If we point to guys who are old or injury-prone (Kawhi, Paul, Conley, Lebron, Irving, Harden, Durant, AD) and say they were already high risk, you could also say that's exactly why the regular season and summer need to provide opportunities for extended rest. If the Clips, for example, play 4 games per week instead of 3, it makes it that much harder for Kawhi to find time to get extended rest.

Who knows. I'm not a doctor.


Agreed. My amateur opinion is Lebron is right but also the players signed off on this for the same reason the league pushed it, so they're not blameless here.
   1376. JJ1986 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 05:55 PM (#6024620)
Hiring Bob Voulgaris as your analytics guy is the bro-iest way to embrace advanced stats.
   1377. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 16, 2021 at 06:09 PM (#6024621)
Agreed. My amateur opinion is Lebron is right but also the players signed off on this for the same reason the league pushed it, so they're not blameless here.

I feel like blameless is the wrong word; I like how FTO worded it - deal with the devil. Whatever is being said publicly I suspect is almost a battle for PR, unless there's more animosity than I thought between the union and the league. Aren't they currently in discussions still about what next season will look like? Could also just be that.
   1378. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 16, 2021 at 06:11 PM (#6024622)
   1379. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 06:16 PM (#6024624)
I think there's probably genuine frustration for someone like LeBron.

He went along with the deal because he feels responsible for every other player's paycheck, but it's not like it was in his best interests in the slightest. LeBron's finances are not completely open to me, but I would wager that his NBA salary is less than half (and perhaps much less) of his total annual income.

He also feels pressure to chase down Jordan and is acutely aware that he only has so many opportunities left. So even though LeBron went along to get along, it was probably against his interests and he feels incredibly frustrated now.
   1380. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 08:22 PM (#6024644)
how was that not a clear path foul?
   1381. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 16, 2021 at 08:24 PM (#6024646)
   1382. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:02 PM (#6024652)
Derek Bodner @DerekBodnerNBA
Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons combined to make 7 of their 13 free throw attempts as the Sixers take a 62-40 lead into the break.
Noah Levick @NoahLevick
Joel Embiid: 0 for 12 from floor in second half of Game 4. 9 for 11 in first half of Game 5
Trae Young: 9 assists in second half of Game 4. One assist in first half of Game 5
Jeff Eisenband @JeffEisenband
The Sixers watched Nets-Bucks last night and realized they should probably stop messing around and win this conference.
Tony Mejia @MejiaDinero
I can't even tell what the Hawks are running on offense. Embarrassing.
Michael Pina @MichaelVPina
this entire season is building towards hack-a-giannis vs. hack-a-simmons. really looking forward to that
John Schuhmann @johnschuhmann
It's amazing how good of a basketball player Joel Embiid is given his complete lack of balance.
Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner
Watching Philadelphians earnestly try to be positive so their guy will make a free throw is low key heartwarming

   1383. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:17 PM (#6024654)
sixers looking like they need a line change
   1384. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:17 PM (#6024655)
...or not
   1385. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 09:44 PM (#6024657)
til:

ben simmons is not the sixers' only all-NBA defender who will play for team australia in the olympics.
   1386. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:27 PM (#6024659)
The Sixers watched Nets-Bucks last night and realized they should probably stop messing around and win this conference.

...or they said, you call that a blown lead?
   1387. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:33 PM (#6024660)
i...can believe what i just saw.
   1388. spivey 2 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:34 PM (#6024661)
East in shambles right now. Honestly have no idea who is coming out of this conference but they are gonna have to play better to beat whomever comes out of West.
   1389. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:36 PM (#6024662)
whoever actually wins the championship this year may well be the weakest winner in the last 10+ years.

I think I'd pick all of these teams (as they stand now, with injuries) to lose in 5 to the Warriors or the LeBron teams.
   1390. asinwreck Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:37 PM (#6024663)
What the hell? Seriously, what the hell?
   1391. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:38 PM (#6024664)
In a 3 point loss, Ben Simmons went 4-14 at the FT line.
   1392. asinwreck Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:39 PM (#6024665)
I thought fourth quarter collapses that epic in 2020-21 were exclusive to the Chicago Bulls.
   1393. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:39 PM (#6024666)
I think I am ready for Jazz/Hawks in The Finals.
   1394. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:44 PM (#6024668)
In a 3 point loss, Ben Simmons went 4-14 at the FT line.

simmons' FT%:
first 31 games: 67%
last 27 games: 54%
playoffs: 33%
   1395. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:45 PM (#6024669)
That’s wild. Tobias Harris was outscored by Onyeka Okongyu. Curry had 36, Embiid 37, the rest of the team had 33.
   1396. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:46 PM (#6024670)
In fairness to the Sixers, a lot of teams would find it difficult to score against a crunchtime defense led by Trae Young and Lou Williams.
   1397. tshipman Posted: June 16, 2021 at 10:51 PM (#6024671)
Lou Williams was +31 in that game!!!!!
   1398. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6024674)
Bojan with just the seven threes at the midway point of the 2nd quarter.
   1399. jmurph Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:08 PM (#6024675)
Haberstroh tweeted that Embiid and Curry were the only Sixers to make a second half FG.
   1400. Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: June 16, 2021 at 11:14 PM (#6024676)
simmons' FT%:
first 31 games: 67%
last 27 games: 54%
playoffs: 33%
This is why people ask, "Is Ben Simmons even good?"
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