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NBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread

I estimate there are maybe 10-12 Primates left on this site, and they all post in the NBA thread.

Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:07 PM | 3846 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1901. smileyy Posted: June 22, 2021 at 05:35 PM (#6025771)
If they somehow get picks 1 and 4, what will their offseason look like?


Trade them for Simmons. I'm sure the money doesn't work out at all, so maybe they toss Wiggins in there. Who says no?
   1902. aberg Posted: June 22, 2021 at 05:43 PM (#6025772)
protects: george, mann, kawhi, morris, oturu, zubac, beverley, rondo
exposes: kennard, ibaka(p), rondo, ferrell


I assume the protection is for Playoff Rondo and the exposure is for Other Rondo.
   1903. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 22, 2021 at 05:43 PM (#6025773)
What lottery result would cause the most chaos? After the Bulls getting to keep their pick (has to be top 4), that's what I'm rooting for. I think GS ending up with 1/4 would cause the most complaining; also Houston not getting their pick would be high on the karma-meter. I can't in good conscience hope for SAC to move up, though they'd probably mess up their pick anyway. CLE should never win the lottery again - ORL has also won too often, though it's been a long time.

Trade them for Simmons. I'm sure the money doesn't work out at all, so maybe they toss Wiggins in there. Who says no?

No way GS does that.
   1904. Rally Posted: June 22, 2021 at 05:46 PM (#6025774)
If I’m the Sixers I would not say no to that. Not even sure who I’d pick, but it’s a good draft. Are Wiggins and Embiid tight as former college teammates? A Bauer/Cole situation?

So I’d assume GSW say hell no.
   1905. asinwreck Posted: June 22, 2021 at 05:54 PM (#6025776)
The fun part of this Warriors-Sixers speculation is seeing how much of Simmons' role they'd try to have Cade Cunningham fill. His shot is more confident, but the playmaking and defense would be rougher in his rookie season.

Who would they take at 4? Suggs?
   1906. smileyy Posted: June 22, 2021 at 05:55 PM (#6025777)
1 and 4 is probably too much for Simmons. Still, he'd look good on the Warriors: Steph/Klay/Oubre-or-some-other-wing/Simmons/Green. That team would be a monster defensively, I'd think (assuming Klay has any lateral movement left, anyway).

The Sixers could turn a #1 pick into Cade Cunningham.
   1907. aberg Posted: June 22, 2021 at 05:55 PM (#6025778)
I would guess Barnes, if he's available.

How about this comp- Franz Wagner : Draymond Green. I know, I'm going to get crucified for comparing a Wolverine to a Spartan, but there are some definite similarities in strengths and weaknesses.
   1908. Powderhorn™, moonstruck rascal Posted: June 22, 2021 at 06:01 PM (#6025781)
The Warriors already have an above-average defense. (Who knows if Klay will move the needle on that and if so, in which direction.) Their major problem this season is that after Steph and Wiggins (!), no one can shoot. Simmons is a terrible fit for this team.
   1909. smileyy Posted: June 22, 2021 at 06:05 PM (#6025782)
On the topic of Oubre, how the heck did he get a national TV commercial? (CarMax)
   1910. aberg Posted: June 22, 2021 at 06:10 PM (#6025784)
On the topic of Oubre, how the heck did he get a national TV commercial? (CarMax)


I think you're getting him confused with T$unami Papi.
   1911. asinwreck Posted: June 22, 2021 at 06:15 PM (#6025785)
@ShamsCharania
Nets free agent Spencer Dinwiddie has been fully cleared for all basketball activities, his operating surgeon Dr. Riley Williams says. Dinwiddie recovered from a partial ACL tear in just over five months. He enters free agency as one of the top point guards on the market.
   1912. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 06:35 PM (#6025788)
1902 -- oops! not far from what i was thinking when i typed that. those.

i'm rooting for the rockets pick to convey.


   1913. JJ1986 Posted: June 22, 2021 at 06:54 PM (#6025791)
Naming the doctor is really the last step in just relaying a press release.
   1914. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 06:55 PM (#6025792)
miami
protects: herro, nunn(r), butler, bam, achiuwa, robinson(r)
unsure (keep 2): dragic(t), iguodala(t), yurtseven
exposes: okpala
ineligible: oladipo, ariza, bjelica, haslem, dedmon
they aren't (imo) picking up either of those options, but if miami wants to keep dragic or iggy at a lower price, they should protect them.

milwaukee
protects: holiday, giannis, middleton, divincenzo, forbes(p), portis(p), lopez, thanasis(r)
exposes: merrill, bryant, nwora, diakite
ineligible: teague, tucker

minnesota:
protects: beasley, edwards, nowell, okogie, mcdaniels, russell, towns, reid
exposes: rubio, culver, layman, hernangomez, vanderbilt(r)
ineligible: davis
weird team. anyway, the thinking is that they can't lose more than one of vanderbilt and hernangomez (i might protect vanderbilt if i ran the club, he's an impressive defender) if it comes down to it.
   1915. smileyy Posted: June 22, 2021 at 07:08 PM (#6025793)
Is Herro worth keeping, now that he turned back into a pumpkin? Does he still have growth potential?
   1916. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 07:10 PM (#6025794)
new orleans
protects: lonzo(r), lewis, hart(r), naw, ingram, zion, hayes, marshall
exposes: louzada(t), adams, gabriel, iwundu
ineligible: hernangomez, johnson

new york
protects: quickley, randle, toppin, robinson, vildoza, ntilikina(r), knox, barrett
exposes: pelle
ineligible: rose, payton, burks, bullock, gibson, noel
feel free to swap out any non-prospective fa for pelle if you think they're a bad contract. (knox?)

oklahoma city
protects: shai, jerome, maledon, dort, bazley, williams, roby, poku
exposes: svi(r), brown, walker, deck, bradley(r)
ineligible: muscala
this wouldn't necessarily match what i'd do? i might keep bradley, for instance.


i missed moses brown for boston. they'll protect him and expose, uh, edwards and parker, i guess.
   1917. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 07:12 PM (#6025795)
herro's been overrated but he's still only 21 and scored a point every other minute with respectable rebounding, assist, and shooting numbers.
   1918. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 22, 2021 at 07:15 PM (#6025796)
Edwards (like Fall, I believe) has spent two years on two-way contracts, so the Celtics either need to sign him to a full roster spot and let him go, and I would be shocked if they retain either. (I also think you're underrating how much they like Langford, fwiw. He's defensively pretty good, whether or not he puts it together offensively, and worth keeping over someone like Parker.)
   1919. aberg Posted: June 22, 2021 at 07:20 PM (#6025797)
Wolves would definitely protect Vando over Juancho, which is probably not how they saw that trade going at the time.

I would add Okpala to the potentially interesting list. Probably would've said that about Nwora a while ago, but it seems like it's not going to happen for him.
   1920. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 07:29 PM (#6025800)
orlando
protects: fultz, anthony, hampton, isaac, okeke, bamba, carter, bacon
exposes: harris, ross, iggy b(r), wagner(r), carter-williams
ineligible: porter, ennis
ross might have positive trade value / might be worth keeping. but he belongs nowhere near this rebuilding roster.

philadelphia
protects: simmons, hill, maxey, curry, matisse, milton, embiid, harris
exposes: joe, reed, tolliver
ineligible: green, korkmaz, scott, howard
this one is hard. harris has a truly terrible contract - but how would they replace him? he's pretty good! just really overpriced - and the sixers have a window to win now.
i'll defer to our philly contingent. (i think they protect harris.)

phoenix
protects: paul, carter, booker, crowder, bridges, johnson, saric, anton
exposes: smith
ineligible: payne, moore, galloway, kaminsky, nader, craig
so, exposing this year's lottery pick is a move. (here too i'm assuming win now mode.) if not him, then either saric or carter.
   1921. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 07:44 PM (#6025802)
portland
protects: dame, cj, powell(p), simons, covington, collins(r), little, nurkic
exposes: derrick jones jr(p), elleby
ineligible: rhj, anthony, kanter, giles

sacramento
protects: wright, fox, haliburton, hield, davis(r), bagley, metu, barnes
exposes: damian jones, woodard, ramsey, james
ineligible: harkless, holmes, whiteside
can envision a scenario where they dangle bagley, who seems to be a pain in the ass, as they like jones for some reason.

san antonio
protects: murray, white, vassell, walker, johnson, samanic, eubanks, poeltl
exposes: jeffries, tre jones
ineligible: mills, derozan, gay, lyles, dieng
   1922. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 22, 2021 at 07:49 PM (#6025803)
philadelphia
protects: simmons, hill, maxey, curry, matisse, milton, embiid, harris
exposes: joe, reed, tolliver
ineligible: green, korkmaz, scott, howard
this one is hard. harris has a truly terrible contract - but how would they replace him? he's pretty good! just really overpriced - and the sixers have a window to win now.
i'll defer to our philly contingent. (i think they protect harris.)
i don't think PHI would protect george hill instead of paul reed. other than that, it seems fine.
   1923. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:05 PM (#6025804)
toronto
protects: fvv, flynn, trent(r), anunoby, watson, watanabe, siakam, boucher
exposes: bembry, gillespie, baynes, de colo*, hood
ineligible: lowry, stanley johnson, birch
i'm not particularly confident with these - i can see toonot wanting to keep gillespie or bembry.
also, i mentioned de colo, who's not on the team. you can draft the rights to a player that the team controls, which is something i hadn't accounted for with other teams but should have. anyway, de colo can play if he wants to be in the states.

utah
protects: clarkson, mitchell, bojan, ingles, o'neale, gobert, favors, oni
exposes: thomas, morgan(r), hughes, azubuike
ineligible: conley, niang, ilyasova,
they might protect favors but shouldn't - he has about 2/20 remaining. i think they like oni a little bit, i'm not sure why.

washington
protects: beal, bertans, avdija, rui, gafford, gill, bryant, westbrook
exposes: hutchison, bonga(r), homesley
ineligible: ish, neto, lopez, len
whether westbrook should be protected or not is another matter.
   1924. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:06 PM (#6025805)
i wasn't sure about hill or reed either - thought maybe they keep hill for trade purposes as most of his salary isn't guaranteed?
   1925. Mike A Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:17 PM (#6025808)
I think you take Cam Reddish over Gallinari. Reddish hasn't shown much yet, but he has so many physical tools (7'+ wingspan, good lateral movement/quickness, etc, etc). Maybe I'm putting too much faith in McMillan, but I would like to see how he utilizes Cam. Yeah, he'll probably miss, but I'd rather him miss as a Hawk than hit as a Sonic.

And speaking of, Cam has been upgraded to questionable. So we may see him in the Bucks series.

Wait a minute...Kevin Love is in the Olympics? Is he the designated Christian Laettner of this year's team or something? Why on earth?
   1926. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:18 PM (#6025809)
Interesting thought exercise. After it's done, berg should create the Expansion Zombie Sonics. If there was an expansion of this thread to another website, and a draft thereof, I can't really think of any posters whom I would protect except Moses and Der-K.
   1927. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:23 PM (#6025810)
As a Pistons fan I guess I'm supposed to be crazy nervous right now, but I'm just not. I guess because there's some Cade skepticism in my head for some reason.
   1928. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:34 PM (#6025813)
1927

Unless there is a guy like David Robinson, Shaquille O'Neal, Tim Duncan, LeBron James, or Anthony Davis, where it is sort of 90% obvious that the guy will likely be awesome, getting the #1 pick is not make-or-break. I would suggest that in today's game, where dominant traditional 5s are rare, it may be harder to handicap the top of the draft. I know nothing about this year's draft class, but I have not heard about there being a consensus #1 guy.
   1929. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:35 PM (#6025814)
I of course expect the Warriors to pick 4th.
   1930. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:35 PM (#6025815)
I think the best fits would be:
#1 (Cade) = Golden State, Toronto, Indiana
#2 (Mobley) = Charlotte, Minnesota, Chicago

New Orleans anywhere in the Top 4 would be exciting given the young talent already on the roster. If somehow the Warriors nab #1 and #4, I think the right play is to keep #1 (Cade) and trade #4, Wiggins, Wiseman, and future picks for the best player(s) you can get.
   1931. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:40 PM (#6025817)
Of course other factors complicating the top of the draft are international players and one-and-dones. BITD, even guys like Olajuwon, Jordan and Shaq played two or three years.
   1932. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:45 PM (#6025819)
I would suggest that in today's game, where dominant traditional 5s are rare, it may be harder to handicap the top of the draft. I know nothing about this year's draft class, but I have not heard about there being a consensus #1 guy


I agree with all this but some people I read about this stuff that I mostly trust are ALL IN on Cunningham. I'm not there myself, but I'll talk myself into getting there if they win the lottery.
   1933. jmurph Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:52 PM (#6025820)
So the final accounting of the Russell-Wiggins trade is... bad for the Wolves. Very bad.
   1934. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:54 PM (#6025821)
Trying to place myself in Wolves' fans shoes I'd almost be relieved they just lost the pick now and got it over with. I mean, I wouldn't be happy, but I'd be nervous that they'd lose pick #1 next year.
   1935. Mike A Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:56 PM (#6025822)
I guess the key to getting a high pick was having a HoF Center as your representative.
   1936. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:56 PM (#6025823)
Cade is LeBron 2.0!
   1937. asinwreck Posted: June 22, 2021 at 08:58 PM (#6025824)
Tonight is the highlight of the Raptors' season.
   1938. jmurph Posted: June 22, 2021 at 09:02 PM (#6025825)
Good for the Pistons, they seem like one of the teams that was just accidentally terrible rather than the Rockets/OKC/etc.
   1939. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 09:11 PM (#6025826)
Happy for Pistons fans; it’s been a rough few years over there. Wonder if they try playing Cade and Hayes together? I would - I don’t want Cunningham guarding ones at minimum.

Mike A - oh yeah, you definitely take Cam in my scenario

rr: I think Cunningham is a strong consensus #1, which is not to say that he laps the field, only that pretty much everyone has him first overall

   1940. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 22, 2021 at 09:11 PM (#6025827)
Good for the Pistons, they seem like one of the teams that was just accidentally terrible rather than the Rockets/OKC/etc.


They were accidentally terrible at the start of the year, sort of. The last 10 or so games of the year all the starters/veterans got a lot of rest, and that part wasn't accidental. Went 1-9 over that stretch and I guess even 2-8 could've changed this result.
   1941. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: June 22, 2021 at 09:20 PM (#6025831)
DK: Fair point, but what I was getting at is: He is a 19-year-old 6'8" guy. He could be Luka Doncic (this appears to be the comp du jour) or he could just be a pretty good player. That is a ways off from being a mortal lock kind of dude, so the teams which missed out on #1 may not look back on it as a bad day. FWIW, here is the header of Hollinger's draft piece:

John Hollinger’s Top 20 NBA draft prospects for 2021: Cade Cunningham ranks No. 1 — but not by much


   1942. asinwreck Posted: June 22, 2021 at 09:25 PM (#6025832)
According to Woj, Cunningham is only visiting with the Pistons.

Does Houston take Mobley for a new Twin Towers lineup? Ideally one where both men have functional knees?
   1943. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 09:43 PM (#6025833)
Well Doncic is a high bar for me, he was my favorite guy in several years. But yeah, I agree that Cunningham isn’t a lock to succeed. (Don’t like more turnovers than assists for one!)

I think I might have Mobley #2 though I get the idea of Houston thinking about Green.
   1944. Mike A Posted: June 22, 2021 at 09:45 PM (#6025834)
They were accidentally terrible at the start of the year, sort of
Blake Griffin half-assing his way out of town didn't help.
   1945. spivey 2 Posted: June 22, 2021 at 10:06 PM (#6025835)
I think Ty Lue is a good coach but why do they have to go down 2-0 every series before benches Zubac for Batum.
   1946. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 22, 2021 at 10:37 PM (#6025844)
Gerald Bourguet @GeraldBourguet
Great open-field tackle from Patrick Beverley there. Textbook stuff

Ben Rohrbach @brohrbach
Cam Payne and Reggie Jackson are their team's scoring leaders at halftime of a Western Conference finals game. What a world.

Tim Reynolds @ByTimReynolds
A reminder that one-third of this year's All-NBA selections were not lottery picks.
First team (by pick): 3, 7, 15, 15, 41
Second team: 1, 3, 4, 6, 7
Third team: 1, 3, 10, 27, 30

   1947. tshipman Posted: June 22, 2021 at 10:47 PM (#6025850)
I think Ty Lue is a good coach but why do they have to go down 2-0 every series before benches Zubac for Batum


Would you want your job performance to be in the hands of Nic Batum?
   1948. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 22, 2021 at 10:52 PM (#6025855)
coming out of tonight's lottery, i'm sure there's one thing every NBA fan can agree on:

#### cleveland.
   1949. asinwreck Posted: June 22, 2021 at 10:53 PM (#6025857)
Devin Booker looks like he's going to need stitches after he and Patrick Beverley bumped heads.

Edit: Looks like Beverley is also headed to the trainer's room.
   1950. Rally Posted: June 22, 2021 at 10:56 PM (#6025858)
What a game by CP15
   1951. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:04 PM (#6025861)
Beverley would have fit in well in the 80s and 90s NBA.
   1952. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:07 PM (#6025862)
Related: I love pat bev
   1953. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:29 PM (#6025864)
Alex Caruso reportedly arrested for pot possession.
   1954. asinwreck Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:36 PM (#6025865)
Beverley down again after getting a Booker elbow to the nose.

Edit: He seems fine.
   1955. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:39 PM (#6025866)
correction: Beverley down after exaggerating contact around his shoulders. I hate that call, especially since they didn't actually make a call in the first place.
   1956. PJ Martinez Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:41 PM (#6025868)
Yeah, I don't understand what the initial whistle on the Beverley flop even was. Man down?

Edit: Great shot by Booker.
   1957. Tin Angel Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:42 PM (#6025869)
Alex Caruso reportedly arrested for pot possession.


And what could have been a great night for basketball has been ruined.
   1958. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:47 PM (#6025870)
I would love if they decided, watching this replay, that Beverley fouled Booker, because he was all over his left arm and body to reach the ball.
   1959. PJ Martinez Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:51 PM (#6025871)
I don't disagree with this:
The rule should be that it's off whichever player gave it the impetus out of bounds, unless there's a clear second touch by the offensive players.
Seems like that's how they call it most of the game anyway.
   1960. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:52 PM (#6025872)
anyway this has been a really fun game and it's been completely dragged through the mud by foul-hunting, flopping and replay in the last 90 seconds or whatever. The NBA needs to figure this out.
   1961. KronicFatigue Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:55 PM (#6025873)
1959 - Why? It's the ball handler's job not to lose the ball. The defender did something well. If the ball stayed in bounds, it's likely a steal. Why should the offensive player benefit from losing the ball near the sideline?
   1962. asinwreck Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:55 PM (#6025874)
That's quite the final minute of the game.
   1963. jmurph Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:55 PM (#6025875)
Holy ####!
   1964. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:56 PM (#6025876)
What a play. What a pass.

What a joke replay has turned into.
   1965. smileyy Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:57 PM (#6025877)
Has anyone considered guarding DeAndre Ayton this playoffs?
   1966. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:57 PM (#6025878)
Great back screen by booker. What a player he's become.
   1967. Mike A Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6025879)
Wow, what an absolutely perfect pass.

Too bad these last few minutes have been longer than the Lord of the Rings extended editions, because this has been a heckuva game.
   1968. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6025880)
Deandre Ayton, least likely player to nail a do or die game ending shot in the playoffs?
   1969. KronicFatigue Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6025881)
Jesus, that's one of the best endings I've ever seen. Too bad all the reviews kinda killed the flow of the last few minutes.
   1970. PJ Martinez Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6025882)
1961: Because the call will never be ruled that way *except* when it's reviewed in super slo-mo. I don't think you should have categories of play that are literally officiated differently when replay is used.
   1971. PJ Martinez Posted: June 22, 2021 at 11:59 PM (#6025883)
Didn't realize you could toss it over the cylinder and have a player throw it down. Perfect execution.
   1972. asinwreck Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:03 AM (#6025884)
That was both an exciting and mind-numbing finish. Replay was slow enough to be MLB worthy.
   1973. mike f Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:07 AM (#6025886)
I was watching on mute. Was that not goal tending?
   1974. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:09 AM (#6025887)
@statmuse
The last 90 seconds of the game took 33 real time minutes.

There were as many reviews (5) as field goals (5) in that span.
   1975. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:10 AM (#6025888)
i think i speak for all NBA fans when i say this:

LAC should have been hit with (at least one) delay of game T for all those lineup shenanigans on the last play of the game.
   1976. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:12 AM (#6025889)
Can't goal tend an inbounds pass, ball isn't live.


Struggles, yes. That was bullshit.
   1977. smileyy Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:20 AM (#6025891)
Just saw the replay -- helluva screen by Booker.
   1978. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:36 AM (#6025893)
Marc J. Spears @MarcJSpears
Monty Williams said the alley-oop out of bounds game-winning play was “stole” from Brett Brown and Joe Prunty.
John Hollinger @johnhollinger
Cameron Payne, who had washed out of the NBA and was playing in China last year, just had 29 points and 9 assists in a conference finals game and is getting interviewed on SportsCenter right now.
Drew Hill @DrewHill_DM
A year ago, Cam Payne was running pickup games in a church gym during COVID shutdown with @Ja Morant and @KChandler_1. He hadn’t played an NBA game in almost a year and a half! Now he’s out there leading the Suns to a 2-0 lead in the Western Conference Finals. Huge salute. pic.twitter.com/zqQcL8srKP
Chris Palmer @ChrisPalmerNBA
This is the first time in his career Cameron Payne has lead an NBA game in scoring.
Brady Hawk @BradyHawk305
Why do they act like Chris Paul is the biological father of every Suns player? lol
Mike Finger @mikefinger
Replays broke up the flow of the game but also got the calls right and also gave everybody more time for Twitter jokes and also allowed Monty Williams to draw up one of the all-time great inbounds plays. I don’t have a problem with it.
   1979. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 23, 2021 at 01:57 AM (#6025896)
I am surprised that no one commented about George missing two free throws at the end of the game. It is lazy to say he choked but is it wrong? I didn't watch the game but it appears that he made some plays done the stretch to give the Clippers a chance to win that game.

I am rooting for the Suns but feel bad for the guy relatively speaking.
   1980. smileyy Posted: June 23, 2021 at 02:02 AM (#6025897)
Alex Caruso reportedly arrested for pot possession.


Yet he works in a state where it is legal. And that's why you don't live in or visit Texas.
   1981. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: June 23, 2021 at 03:53 AM (#6025899)
Caruso was born in College Station, and went to Texas A&M. According to articles/Tweets, he was arrested in College Station by A&M cops after a TSA search:

Ramona Shelburne
@ramonashelburne
Replying to @ramonashelburne
Lieutenant Bobby Richardson of the Texas A&M Police Department told ESPN that around 2 p.m. local time, Caruso tried to board a flight, where TSA agents searched Caruso's bags and found a herb grinder that contained marijuana.


Also:

LeBron James has already reacted to the news on Twitter, joking that he paid Caruso’s bail for him (Caruso had already posted bail prior to James’ tweet)
   1982. Rally Posted: June 23, 2021 at 09:02 AM (#6025909)
1 and 4 is probably too much for Simmons. Still, he'd look good on the Warriors: Steph/Klay/Oubre-or-some-other-wing/Simmons/Green. That team would be a monster defensively, I'd think (assuming Klay has any lateral movement left, anyway).


Definitely. But since they'll actually pick lower, maybe 7, 14, Wiggins for Simmons? For the Sixers I'd strongly consider that. And then flipping the picks to get a better max contract than Harris.
   1983. aberg Posted: June 23, 2021 at 11:42 AM (#6025921)
I am surprised that no one commented about George missing two free throws at the end of the game. It is lazy to say he choked but is it wrong? I didn't watch the game but it appears that he made some plays done the stretch to give the Clippers a chance to win that game.


That was the ultimate moment of Ball Don't Lie. The Pat Bev poke out of bounds gets called differently in the last 2 minutes than it does the rest of the game due to replay, so the basketball gods had to intervene.

Overall, I thought it was a wildly entertaining game with too many delays. If you could watch that game on replay with all the reviews cut out, it would be one of the best finishes ever. I still enjoyed it, but would've enjoyed it a lot more at a regular pace.

I'm not too heart-broken about losing the #7 pick. I figured when the trade was made that it would be somewhere around 10-15 with the Wolves pushing up at the back of the playoff field. It ended up 3 picks higher, so I'm not going to lose my mind. If GS drafts Scottie Barnes and he turns into Iguodala 2.0, I might reconsider.
   1984. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: June 23, 2021 at 11:43 AM (#6025922)
I was watching on mute. Was that not goal tending?


Evidently an inbounds pass is not live, therefore it's not a shot, therefore, it cannot be goaltended. What a play.
   1985. aberg Posted: June 23, 2021 at 11:46 AM (#6025923)
What a play.


No kidding. That has to go down as one of the great CF plays of the last couple generations. The Derek Fisher last second shot and Dirk from the elbow, both against the Spurs, also immediately come to mind. Was that Kawhi bank shot against Philly in the 2nd round or CF? I'm sure there are many other great ones that didn't jump to mind right away.
   1986. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:04 PM (#6025928)
Was that Kawhi bank shot against Philly in the 2nd round or CF? I'm sure there are many other great ones that didn't jump to mind right away.

2nd round. LeBron's against ORL is one. Stockton had one I think. Maybe Barkley too. Or are those too many generations ago (ugh)?

I think Cunningham is a strong consensus #1, which is not to say that he laps the field, only that pretty much everyone has him first overall

Right. The top 5 are also supposed to be pretty strong this year compared to recent years (including much better than last year); though the Ayton/Luka/Young/JJJ draft is still a high bar even if you're not totally sold on Ayton yet. Cunningham is a pretty good fit on the Pistons, and all of a sudden they've got a much more interesting core to build around (very unproven, of course).
   1987. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:04 PM (#6025929)
LeBron got crushed by the Magic in the 2009 ECF, but him flinging in a buzzer beater (Game 3 maybe) was pretty damn cool.
   1988. spivey 2 Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:16 PM (#6025932)
I've only watched a few of their games... but is it just me, or is Phoenix playing (being allowed to play?) significantly more physical than any other team that made it past the first round?
   1989. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:31 PM (#6025937)
Definitely. But since they'll actually pick lower, maybe 7, 14, Wiggins for Simmons? For the Sixers I'd strongly consider that. And then flipping the picks to get a better max contract than Harris.

that seems like a lot of wheel spinning just for the sixers to put a hard ceiling on their future.
   1990. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 23, 2021 at 12:58 PM (#6025938)
No kidding. That has to go down as one of the great CF plays of the last couple generations. The Derek Fisher last second shot and Dirk from the elbow, both against the Spurs, also immediately come to mind. Was that Kawhi bank shot against Philly in the 2nd round or CF? I'm sure there are many other great ones that didn't jump to mind right away.


The Derek Fisher 0.4 second shot was in the conference semi-finals. It just felt like the conference finals because everyone knew the Lakers and Spurs were both better than the Timberwolves that year (though everyone also "knew" that whichever team won the West would crush whichever team won the East that year, which didn't end up happening). The Robert Horry 3-pointer a couple years earlier was in the conference finals, though.
   1991. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 23, 2021 at 01:07 PM (#6025939)
that seems like a lot of wheel spinning just for the sixers to put a hard ceiling on their future.
however, i could see 14+wiggins for tharris, since that would open up PF for the sixers to add someone like sabonis or bertans or thad young, while also "adding" an unrepentant gunner who's willing to eat as many shots as possible.
   1992. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 23, 2021 at 01:33 PM (#6025942)
I think the Warriors should be focused on finding a team that buys into the Wiseman/Ayton comparison and still values him like a top pick. Maybe Sacramento or Charlotte? Deal him for a solid rotation player and a future 1st, then use the mini-MLE to sign a better F/C in free agency and the future 1st as trade bait.
   1993. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: June 23, 2021 at 01:36 PM (#6025943)
I'm not too heart-broken about losing the #7 pick. I figured when the trade was made that it would be somewhere around 10-15 with the Wolves pushing up at the back of the playoff field. It ended up 3 picks higher, so I'm not going to lose my mind. If GS drafts Scottie Barnes and he turns into Iguodala 2.0, I might reconsider.

It was a sunk cost. At this point, I'm happy not to worry about it any more.
   1994. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 23, 2021 at 02:37 PM (#6025952)
i've got a long way to go before i've strong draft thoughts but - i do like barnes. anybody else?
   1995. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 23, 2021 at 02:47 PM (#6025957)
Woj bomb: udoka to coach celtics
   1996. asinwreck Posted: June 23, 2021 at 02:53 PM (#6025960)
Good for Udoka. I thought he or Unseld was going to be the Bulls' coach last year before Donovan became available. If you thought the Nets defended OK in the postseason, he was the lead assistant on defense.

So, where does Carlisle end up?
   1997. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 23, 2021 at 03:25 PM (#6025964)
LaVine to Team USA. Jerami Grant, too (if you still trust Shams on this) and Harden off.
   1998. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 23, 2021 at 03:27 PM (#6025965)
DMC just got a technical foul for pushing Booker after the game last night.
   1999. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 23, 2021 at 03:43 PM (#6025969)
shams has: durant, dame, beal, tatum, booker, lavine, love, bam, dray, jrue, middleton, jerami bearimy
   2000. aberg Posted: June 23, 2021 at 04:16 PM (#6025978)
DMC just got a technical foul for pushing Booker after the game last night.


I saw Booker get pushed in that little melee. I think it actually happened after Ayton's shot but before they put time back on the clock. The perpetrator was out of screen. I assume that was it. Probably could've guessed who did it.
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