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Friday, May 21, 2021

NBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread

I estimate there are maybe 10-12 Primates left on this site, and they all post in the NBA thread.

Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:07 PM | 4930 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:05 PM (#6020661)
The Heat come from the Jamie Dixon-era Pitt teams of foul every play and they can't call every one.
this sentence gave me a flipping aneurysm.
   202. spivey 2 Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:07 PM (#6020662)
I'm ok with the playoffs being allowed to be more physical, but if I'm worried for the safety of my team, you've let it go absolutely way too far.
   203. smileyy Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:07 PM (#6020663)
Keep your foot on the ####### gas, Milwaukee.
   204. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6020664)
I'm ok with the playoffs being allowed to be more physical, but if I'm worried for the safety of my team, you've let it go absolutely way too far.
fun fact:

try to imagine this team, but with kelly "i broke kevin love's arm" olynyk and james "i'm a 6th degree black belt in brazilian jiu jitsu" johnson.


bonus fun fact:

i just noticed that i've been watching this game on a 30-minute delay.
   205. spivey 2 Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:13 PM (#6020665)
It makes me happy that Herro is out there with the scrubs. Guy was so overrated after last year's playoffs and first month or two of this season.
   206. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:13 PM (#6020666)
Giannis shouldn't be out here right now. You know someone on the Heat secretly re-acquired Olynyk just for this moment.
   207. spivey 2 Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:17 PM (#6020667)
Milwaukee ran their starters too long, imo, but part of me kind of likes the idea of making Miami pull their good players first. I guess Miami did pull Adebayo and Butler, but they'd left most their other guys. #### 'em, if the refs are gonna let them play dirty, you just have to stomp on the throat.
   208. asinwreck Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:20 PM (#6020668)

i just noticed that i've been watching this game on a 30-minute delay.

Spoiler: Milwaukee will make more 3s.
   209. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:25 PM (#6020669)
a showdown for the ages:

austin rivers v. carmelo anthony
Spoiler: Milwaukee will make more 3s.
yeah, i'm not waiting for any of it.
   210. asinwreck Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:28 PM (#6020671)
You mispelled Facundo Campazzo.
   211. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:46 PM (#6020674)
Props to Jokic for his 1stQ. MVP stuff there.
   212. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: May 24, 2021 at 10:49 PM (#6020676)
I love Ersan but I'm glad he's not on the Bucks this year, so they have the clear moral high ground over all the non-basketball-play bs the Heat try to get away with. I understand why they do it but it drives me crazy and it sucks to watch.
   213. SteveF Posted: May 24, 2021 at 11:16 PM (#6020680)
Pretty good game to watch if you are rooting for every shot to go in.
   214. smileyy Posted: May 24, 2021 at 11:23 PM (#6020686)
So that's what Dame Time is.
   215. smileyy Posted: May 25, 2021 at 12:01 AM (#6020694)
Where are Jokic's touches?
   216. tshipman Posted: May 25, 2021 at 12:27 AM (#6020698)
Portland is shooting 54% from 3 and losing by 11. I don't think they can win the series.
   217. SteveF Posted: May 25, 2021 at 12:49 AM (#6020699)
227. woot!
   218. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: May 25, 2021 at 01:08 AM (#6020703)
Great adjustment to put Aaron Gordon on Lillard in the 2nd half.
Morris and Millsap were huge off the bench.
It's astounding that Jokic is about to be the MVP and 3-time all-NBA and the majority of announcers have not learned how to pronounce his name.
   219. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 25, 2021 at 02:19 AM (#6020707)
Piggybacking off of something 57i66135 wrote last page:
does anyone else remember when ESPN spent a bunch of time leading into the NBA draft trying to tell everyone his name was actually pronounced "doinchich".
Jokic should actually be easier to pronounce. They just don't really seem to care.
   220. smileyy Posted: May 25, 2021 at 03:26 AM (#6020711)
The Jokić / Nurkić faceoff made me realize that the All-ić team is pretty good right now. They can start:

Luka Dončić
Goran Dragić
Bojan Bogdanović
Bogdan Bogdanović
Nikola Jokić

and bring Jusuf Nurkić and Boban Marjanović off the bench. With those bigs, I don't see Alen Smailagić getting a whole lot of run.
   221. asinwreck Posted: May 25, 2021 at 06:44 AM (#6020712)
It's astounding that Jokic is about to be the MVP and 3-time all-NBA and the majority of announcers have not learned how to pronounce his name.

Giannis would like a word.
   222. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 25, 2021 at 08:23 AM (#6020717)
Portland is shooting 54% from 3 and losing by 11. I don't think they can win the series.

Yeah, Portland isn't going to shoot that well on such a high number of 3pa every game - even though they've done it both games so far. Still kinda getting blown out while shooting that well isn't a sign that Portland is likely to win any games they're not lights out from deep. If Portland shoots 50% or more from 3 the entire series, maybe they could win (they're at 47.9% so far).

---

Last night's MIL should be really reassuring for anyone hoping/picking them to go far.

---

Every year (save last year's bubble) I forgot how stupid the first round schedule is. If the league has no problem scheduling 2 games at the same time (like tonight, when both LA teams play at the same time), there's no reason there shouldn't be at least 3 games every dang night. Now that I like at the schedule, looks like yesterday and next Monday (which is a holiday, no less) are the only days with 2 scheduled (save when series end early). Still, it's a dumb schedule.
   223. jmurph Posted: May 25, 2021 at 08:52 AM (#6020719)
(like tonight, when both LA teams play at the same time)

What the hell? What a dumb idea.
   224. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 25, 2021 at 09:10 AM (#6020721)
They tip only 30 minutes apart. Might as well stagger the 3 games better so people can watch most of all of them.
   225. . . . . . . Posted: May 25, 2021 at 09:23 AM (#6020725)
The Jokić / Nurkić faceoff made me realize that the All-ić team is pretty good right now. They can start:

Luka Dončić
Goran Dragić
Bojan Bogdanović
Bogdan Bogdanović
Nikola Jokić

and bring Jusuf Nurkić and Boban Marjanović off the bench. With those bigs, I don't see Alen Smailagić getting a whole lot of run.


the overlap between this and the all-serbian team is basically 100%
(it includes some folks from elsewhere in the Balkans, but they're all serbian on their father's side)

serbs are good at the basketball
   226. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: May 25, 2021 at 09:35 AM (#6020726)
@221
You're right, although most announcers punt on his last name and just say "Yah-nis."
Neither announcer last night could pronounce Nikola with Greg Anthony flip-flopping between "Nee-ko-la" and "Nee-ko-lie"
   227. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: May 25, 2021 at 11:00 AM (#6020732)

Neither announcer last night could pronounce Nikola with Greg Anthony flip-flopping between "Nee-ko-la" and "Nee-ko-lie"


Nee-ko-lieeeee ..... Nee-ko-laaaaa ..... Nee-ko-lieeeee ..... Nee-ko-la ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
   228. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 12:21 PM (#6020740)
Sam Amick @sam_amick
Sources: Donovan Mitchell’s personal training staff had determined that he was ready to play Game 1, but the Jazz staff - which has final say - saw it differently. A deeper look at the dynamics and what’s at stake heading into Game 2, w/ @Tony Jones theathletic.com/2611504/2021/0…

Tim Reynolds @ByTimReynolds
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio this morning: "Stop hunting for fouls, Trae. I want to quote Steve Nash, great player, great coach. He says 'that's not basketball.' Trae, Trae, that hawk's not gonna fly in New York City. Come on. Play the game the right way." (This is real.)

Stefan Bondy @SBondyNYDN
Mayor Di Blasio said if you get a vaccine you’re clutch like Allan Houston pic.twitter.com/L4YwK2dY2h
   229. tshipman Posted: May 25, 2021 at 12:26 PM (#6020741)
Why is it that politicians are always extra cringe with the sports analogies?
   230. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6020743)
Why is it that politicians are always extra cringe with the sports analogies?
most politicians aren't actually sports fans, few of them are genuinely likable, and none of them are comedy writers (anymore...).
   231. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 05:32 PM (#6020775)
2 very quick yes/no questions for you all:


1: do you know who lauren holtkamp is?

2: if yes, can you name anyone else who was hired in that position within the last 10 years?
   232. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 25, 2021 at 06:26 PM (#6020786)
Having DAL/LAC and LAL/PHX on at more or less the same time struck me as very odd. I think you would want the the LA market's eyeballs focused on one game at a time, and I think Doncic is a guy who can draw in some casual viewers (James obviously is). I am sure that there is some reason the NBA is doing it, though.
   233. aberg Posted: May 25, 2021 at 07:03 PM (#6020787)
Randle won MIP on the heels of Ingram winning last year. This must bode well for Russell and the Wolves next season.
   234. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 07:27 PM (#6020791)
Randle won MIP on the heels of Ingram winning last year. This must bode well for Russell and the Wolves next season.

i thought i was ready for FULL ABERG; i was not ready for FULL BAERGA
   235. asinwreck Posted: May 25, 2021 at 07:48 PM (#6020794)
In Game 1, Boston's highlights were all in the first quarter. Brad Stevens has to hope they do better later in Game 2 as Brooklyn's in the midst of a 15-0 run.

Edit: Make it 18-0 run. Durant and Harden are feeding it to Harris and Jeff Green. They are toying with the Celtics.
   236. Howie Menckel Posted: May 25, 2021 at 08:26 PM (#6020800)
'boys just wanna have fun' dept

Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon
·
1h
NBA announces that Kristaps Porzingis has been fined $50,00 for violating the rule prohibiting players from going to bars, clubs, lounges, etc. Sources said Porzingis, who has been vaccinated, briefly visited an LA strip club on Sunday.
   237. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 08:26 PM (#6020801)
i can accept nic claxton's hair, but something about romeo lankford's is out of the uncanny valley. he looks like a create-a-player.

also, durant has one hell of a sunroof.

and what the #### is on evan fournier's forehead. is he being hazed? does he moonlight as a benedictine monk in the offseason?
   238. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 25, 2021 at 08:53 PM (#6020804)
The league office should let Boston concede the rest of the series.
   239. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: May 25, 2021 at 08:57 PM (#6020806)
From NBC Sports:
Randle received 98 of the 100 first-place Most Improved Player votes from media members selected to to vote on the award.
Who was going to finish first was never in doubt — Randle was a runaway winner. Randle averaged 24.1 points, 10.2 rebounds, and 6 assists a game this season, made his first All-Star team, and is in the mix for an All-NBA spot.

Detroit’s Jeramie Grant received the other two first-place votes, and enough other votes to finish second with 140 total points. Denver’s Michael Porter Jr. finished third with 138 points.


Randle
19.5 -> 24.1 PPG
3pt% went from .277 to .411
2pt% went from .515 to .474
9.7 -> 10.2 RPG
3.1 -> 6.0 APG
Net rating = -8.4

Grant
12.0 -> 22.3 PPG
3pt% from .389->.350
2pt% from .527 -> .473
2.7 -> 4.0 RPG
1.2 -> 2.8 RPB
Net rating = -3.2


Porter
9.3 -> 19.0 PPG
3 pt % from .422 -> .445
2 pt% from .564 -> .628
4.7 -> 7.3 RPG
0.8 -> 1.1 APG
Net rating = 7.9


   240. asinwreck Posted: May 25, 2021 at 09:05 PM (#6020811)
The Nets' goal in the third is to get Blake dunks.
   241. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 09:06 PM (#6020812)
randle
Net rating = -8.4
grant
Net rating = -3.2
porter
Net rating = 7.9


i don't know where you're getting those numbers, because bk-ref has the following net ratings (and net on-off ratings):
randle: +2.6 (+0.2)
grant: -3.4 (+2.3)
porter: +8.2 (+7.4)
   242. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 09:07 PM (#6020813)
The Nets' goal in the third is to get Blake dunks.
have to stay motivated somehow.
   243. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: May 25, 2021 at 09:37 PM (#6020817)
@241.
Thanks. They were from NBA.com (e.g., Randle)

The #s for Randle and Grant at BK-Ref make more sense, but the "one of these is not like the other" story is pretty much the same.
   244. asinwreck Posted: May 25, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6020819)
Luke Kornet playing down the stretch is not how Brad Stevens wanted this game to go.
   245. asinwreck Posted: May 25, 2021 at 10:12 PM (#6020822)
Flagrant-1 against Anthony Davis for hitting Jae Crowder's groin in the first 58 seconds of Game 2.
   246. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 10:18 PM (#6020825)
Flagrant-1 against Anthony Davis for hitting Jae Crowder's groin in the first 58 seconds of Game 2.

first offense: 50 game suspension
second offense: public execution


the announcers are yukking it up, though.
   247. aberg Posted: May 25, 2021 at 10:21 PM (#6020826)
Flagrant-1 against Anthony Davis for hitting Jae Crowder's groin in the first 58 seconds of Game 2.


People said I played too soft in game one? I know what I'll do to prove them wrong. I'll deliver a well-placed nutshot at the opening whistle.
   248. Mike A Posted: May 25, 2021 at 10:42 PM (#6020832)
Apparently they were chanting '**** Trae Young' at the Yankee game tonight. This seems to be getting a bit excessive.
   249. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 25, 2021 at 10:44 PM (#6020833)
That's hard to believe, what with those New York fans being such nice people and all.
   250. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 10:50 PM (#6020834)
Apparently they were chanting '**** Trae Young' at the Yankee game tonight. This seems to be getting a bit excessive.

if that's as bad as it gets after 14 months of pent up hostility, we're all lucky.


i'll be half-surprised if we don't see college football people getting stabbed on the field 6 months from now.
   251. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 25, 2021 at 10:51 PM (#6020835)
Don’t NBA players always wear cups anyway?
   252. aberg Posted: May 25, 2021 at 10:56 PM (#6020837)
For all the complaints about these games being on at the same time, I am loving flipping back and forth.
   253. aberg Posted: May 25, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6020839)
Apologies if someone already posted this, but here are game one attendance numbers by home team:

PHI- 11,160 (55%)
PHX- 11,824 (65%)
NYK- 15,047 (76%)
UTA- 13,750 (75%)
MIL- 9,107 (53%)
LAC- 6,117 (32%)
BKN- 14,391 (81%)
DEN- 7,732 (40%)

I'm assuming all teams sold out their allotments. It will be interesting to see if the teams in the 70-80% range perform better at home than those in the 30-40% range. Anyone know why BKN was able to fill a larger % than NYK?
   254. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 25, 2021 at 11:13 PM (#6020841)
Ayton's playing a fantastic game. Schroder's been the most dynamic figure for the Lakers. I didn't expect either of those two things.
   255. Mike A Posted: May 25, 2021 at 11:14 PM (#6020842)
if that's as bad as it gets after 14 months of pent up hostility, we're all lucky.
Yeah. Even the golf tournament this past weekend almost got out of hand with the fans swarming Mickelson and Koepka. Golf!

I get that Trae can be annoying, but he's just a 22-year old kid playing basketball.
   256. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 25, 2021 at 11:15 PM (#6020843)
Lebron looked like he was playing at 75% effort the entire half.
   257. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 25, 2021 at 11:44 PM (#6020848)
Lebron looked like he was playing at 75% effort old the entire half.
ftfy
   258. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 26, 2021 at 12:09 AM (#6020850)
Old, or hurt. James is settling for the jumper.
   259. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 26, 2021 at 12:38 AM (#6020854)
BALD MAMBA! WITH NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE!

James was big late, and Schroder had a really strong game. Not having to deal with a healthy Chris Paul was, no doubt, the biggest factor in the game.
   260. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 26, 2021 at 12:41 AM (#6020855)
Not sure what to make of this Lakers team but they played great defense and rebounded tonight to tie the series. If Chris Paul is down, though, tough to see the Suns winning.
   261. tshipman Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:09 AM (#6020856)
Inject this Clippers down 0-2 result straight into my veins.
   262. SteveF Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:10 AM (#6020857)
Maybe the Mavs ARE just better than the Clippers.

I just don't understand why the Clippers are so bad on defense. I get that some of it is Luka, but some of it is just blown rotations and poor defensive communication.
   263. Laser Man Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:12 AM (#6020858)
[243] That net rating for Randle was for the playoffs (i.e., Game 1), not the regular season.
   264. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:27 AM (#6020859)
Let's pretend for a moment that the Clippers lose the series against Dallas. What are the chances that Leonard is on a different team next year?
   265. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:43 AM (#6020862)
I may have underrated Brooklyn.

I think George would go before Leonard, but I don't think the Clippers will make big changes, even if they lose to Dallas.

   266. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:47 AM (#6020863)
262-Lue's track record is that he is better as an O coach than a D coach; he is the opposite of Vogel. Clippers were 8th in D this year though.
   267. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:57 AM (#6020866)
253--
If the Lakers have trouble at home too, people will start talking about the # of fans in the building.
   268. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 26, 2021 at 04:39 AM (#6020872)
Dallas went 35/70 on 3s in the two games in LA.
   269. jmurph Posted: May 26, 2021 at 08:49 AM (#6020892)
I just don't understand why the Clippers are so bad on defense. I get that some of it is Luka, but some of it is just blown rotations and poor defensive communication.

I suspect a large part of it is that they didn't play much basketball together, relatively speaking. Kawhi played 52 of 72, PG 54, Morris 57, Ibaka 41, Beverley 37, etc. (I'm absolutely not spending the time to figure out how many of those games overlapped.)

   270. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: May 26, 2021 at 09:21 AM (#6020893)
I like that I myself have went from "wide open playoffs, how cool" to "welp, Lakers and Nets it is" in about 72 hours.
   271. spivey 2 Posted: May 26, 2021 at 09:24 AM (#6020895)
Dallas, on top of Luka, has a lot of guys that are pretty offensively versatile. They are a hard team to defend when the role players are making shots, because you also have Hardaway, Brunson, and Porzingis who are between decent and good at getting looks for themselves.

I missed almost all of both late games last night. Again, I can't imagine how that was a good decisions to play the two LA teams at once. Even granting the huge deferential treatment the NBA gives the West coast, knowing that Brooklyn/Celtics is likely to be a blowout, I don't know why one of the games didn't start at 6pm PDT/9pm EDT to be a bit of a bridge game.

But, in the first game, the Clippers had a pretty weird defensive gameplan on Doncic, where they were using Beverly a lot instead of their various large wing defenders. Then later in the game they were doubling a good amount, which isn't an awful idea, but the Mavericks have other guys who can score in 4on3 situations, especially when everyone is shooting well.

Curious how they defended him last night.
   272. Thok Posted: May 26, 2021 at 09:34 AM (#6020897)
There's a universe where Kawhi doesn't already have two Finals MVPs and we'd spend today talking about how this series affects his legacy.
   273. jmurph Posted: May 26, 2021 at 09:53 AM (#6020899)
I'm pretty sure when the complicated Shamet/Kennard transaction happened I said here I'd rather just have Shamet. Which possibly is wrong. But I would absolutely rather have Shamet than Kennard on the $64 million contract extension they gave him.

Also, related, Kennard has two DNP-CDs in this series so far.

I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that, if they lose this series, I can't imagine the Clippers firing Lue after only one year, and I can't imagine moving on from George or Kawhi (assuming Kawhi wants to stay!) given what it took to acquire them. But surely there will be front office changes.
   274. Rally Posted: May 26, 2021 at 10:25 AM (#6020901)
I don’t think they’d willingly move on, but Kawhi might decide he wants to try something different.
   275. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 26, 2021 at 10:43 AM (#6020904)
I looked it up and Leonard still has another year on his contract after this one. I suppose he could demand a trade, but the Clippers wouldn’t have to oblige.
   276. tshipman Posted: May 26, 2021 at 11:02 AM (#6020905)
But, in the first game, the Clippers had a pretty weird defensive gameplan on Doncic, where they were using Beverly a lot instead of their various large wing defenders. Then later in the game they were doubling a good amount, which isn't an awful idea, but the Mavericks have other guys who can score in 4on3 situations, especially when everyone is shooting well.

Curious how they defended him last night.


They started off with Paul George and Morris on most possessions, but they switched every PnR. They actually had Kawhi on Porzingis, which was interesting. However, the Mavs just parked Porzingis in a corner and ran PnR with Kleber or whoever the small was.

Doncic was pretty ruthless in hunting out the mismatch, going after Beverly in particular, but also Zubac. This play was fun.
   277. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: May 26, 2021 at 11:10 AM (#6020908)
I looked it up and Leonard still has another year on his contract after this one. I suppose he could demand a trade, but the Clippers wouldn’t have to oblige.
He can opt out and become a free agent after the season.
   278. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 26, 2021 at 11:34 AM (#6020911)
[277] Wow, that's something the NBA contract website I was using definitely should have mentioned. And looking again, it did and I missed it.
   279. spivey 2 Posted: May 26, 2021 at 11:45 AM (#6020913)
If the Clippers are eliminated early in the playoffs, it will be very disappointing, but where would Kawhi go? Playing in SoCal seemed to be a really big priority for him.

He's also lined up for a supermax, but given his age and injuries, I really don't think he's worth it. But maybe to someone absurdly wealthy like Ballmer, he is.

Ultimately though, Leonard and George have played ok, at least offensively. Between the 2 of them, they're averaging about 30/9/5 on good efficiency. The other stuff (the FO moves, the coaching, the play from 3-12) that isn't good enough right now. That said... it's a make or miss league. The Clippers are a much better 3pt shooting team (41% vs 36% in the regular season), yet are getting outshot badly from 3. If you look at the Four Factors on basketball-ref, the Clippers are leading in everything but eFG%. If the two teams were just shooting the same percentage from 3 over the course of the first 2 games (say, 38%), the Clippers would make up 40 points right there, and would likely be winning the series 2-0. (Note that this probably has slight effects on other things like OReb%, so it's probably not quite 40 points, but close enough).
   280. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: May 26, 2021 at 11:52 AM (#6020916)
It seems to me that if post season success was what was important to Kawhi, he probably would have had more of it just by staying with the Raptors. If geography is what was important, just let Ballmer pay him as much as he's willing to.
   281. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 26, 2021 at 11:59 AM (#6020923)
Yeah, George and Leonard combined for 69 points last night on over 50% shooting (Leonard 41, George 28). They did exactly what they got paid to do in a playoff game on O. So, re 279, I was telling a couple of Lakers fan pals who were clowning on the Clippers that it is not over yet. If Dallas has a couple of regression games from the arc, the Clippers could get back in it.
   282. tshipman Posted: May 26, 2021 at 12:06 PM (#6020924)
That said... it's a make or miss league. The Clippers are a much better 3pt shooting team (41% vs 36% in the regular season), yet are getting outshot badly from 3. If you look at the Four Factors on basketball-ref, the Clippers are leading in everything but eFG%. If the two teams were just shooting the same percentage from 3 over the course of the first 2 games (say, 38%), the Clippers would make up 40 points right there, and would likely be winning the series 2-0. (Note that this probably has slight effects on other things like OReb%, so it's probably not quite 40 points, but close enough).


My copyright lawyers will be in touch.

So I generally agree with this, but I will add that although the 3p shooting is kinda fluky and will probably normalize, these two games really have exposed some issues for the Clippers. The Mavs are tearing the Clippers up when they switch on Doncic. The Clippers are doing the switching thing, but they don't have anyone who makes a play on the back side of a switch.

The Mavs have hit 50% of their 3s, which is definitely fluky, but they've also hit 58% of their twos (The Clippers have actually been even better there, at 61%).

Down two games, the Clippers are in a bit of a spot for this round, but even more, it kind of exposes their switching defense for the rest of the playoffs as well. If Luka can do this to you, so can Jokic, so can LeBron, so can Harden.
   283. spivey 2 Posted: May 26, 2021 at 12:24 PM (#6020927)
I agree there are definitely things the Clippers need to look at. Random thoughts include more of Ibaka to protect the rim while also being a bit more capable of guarding Doncic 1v1 than Zubac, double or hedge on pick and rolls, fight over PnRs more given they have a lot of strong wing defenders, maybe go under and live with some above the break off the dribble 3s from Doncic, an average 3 point shooter. One thing that Seth Partnow mentioned after game 1 which I think makes sense - Doncic can switch off when he gives the ball up when he's doubled. He's not a super active off ball guy, especially in a scenario like that where he's out of the play and up near the logo. Of course you're going to give up 3s this way, but I think it's still something to do at least some. Maybe put Doncic through a lot of stuff on the defensive end to try to tire him out. It does feel like they're not really making life uncomfortable for Doncic.
   284. tshipman Posted: May 26, 2021 at 12:45 PM (#6020930)
More than anything else, I think they need to throw more looks at Doncic and change things up a bit more from possession to possession. They keep doing the same thing, particularly at the end of games. Doncic is too smart for that. It's the same as with LeBron or Steph--once you're predictable, they'll adapt.
   285. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:29 PM (#6020940)
I didn't watch last night, but in Game 1 LA was using second-tier defenders to throw at Luka. What's the point of having Kawhi and PG if they're not going to guard the best players in the league?
   286. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 26, 2021 at 01:56 PM (#6020947)
I'm not writing the Clippers off yet in this series, but I'm fairly comfortable they're not getting much further even if they do win this round. Luka is special though.

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I keep getting thrown by all the ex-Bull scrubs playing meaningful playoff minutes - your Paynes, your Gaffords, your Jarbaris, your Snells, your Portisses Juniors and so forth. That's not even mentioning formerly useful players still getting run like your Roses, your Gibsons, and your Carmelos; but the fact that some of the scrubs actually don't suck anymore is very jarring (some still very much suck, which is keeping me sane).
   287. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 26, 2021 at 02:10 PM (#6020955)
So far only the Nets have truly impressed me this postseason. Pretty much everyone else is as expected or much more flawed than expected.
   288. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 26, 2021 at 02:10 PM (#6020956)
I keep getting thrown by all the ex-Bull scrubs playing meaningful playoff minutes - your Paynes, your Gaffords, your Jarbaris, your Snells, your Portisses Juniors and so forth. That's not even mentioning formerly useful players still getting run like your Roses, your Gibsons, and your Carmelos; but the fact that some of the scrubs actually don't suck anymore is very jarring (some still very much suck, which is keeping me sane).
i feel similarly about all of the process pieces floating around. jerami grant, tj mcconnell, richaun holmes, christian wood, nerlens noel, dario saric, robert covington, ish smith.


that 2018 draft is a real throwback. 5 traditional big men taken in the top 7 (trae young and luka doncic being the remaining non-bigs), and then 3 taken in the entire rest of the first round.

then after the dregs of the NBA gorged themselves on big men, upwardly mobile teams wound up taking future all-stars/all-NBA players like SGA, bridges and porter in the back half of the lottery.
   289. spivey 2 Posted: May 26, 2021 at 03:02 PM (#6020969)
So far only the Nets have truly impressed me this postseason. Pretty much everyone else is as expected or much more flawed than expected.


The Nets are playing a 7 seed that is also playing without their 2nd best player and didn't have a deep team to begin with.

I mean, I think the Nets would be my pick to win the title right now, but I don't think clowning the Celtics really means anything. Brooklyn are playing the worst or second worst team in the playoffs.
   290. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: May 26, 2021 at 03:24 PM (#6020974)
It was more how they have done it. The Nets defense looks better than expected and even in game one when they shot really poorly it never ever felt like they were in any danger.
   291. tshipman Posted: May 26, 2021 at 03:36 PM (#6020977)
It's easy to look good on defense when you are facing a bunch of 6'4-6'8 guys who can't get to the basket.

How do the Nets look against Joel Embiid, against Giannis, against the guys who will actually push them?
   292. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: May 26, 2021 at 03:50 PM (#6020983)
I wouldn't be surprised if the Clippers came back to win the series. The Mavericks won two pretty tight games despite shooting 50% from 3. I think the Mavericks are going to win because they already have the 2-0 lead but I am not sure they are better than the Clippers.

The Clips are not getting much from anyone other than Kawhi and PG13. Ibaka barely played in Game 2 and Luke Kennard didn't play at all.
   293. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 26, 2021 at 03:55 PM (#6020985)
Luke Kennard didn't play at all.
still a better contract than tharris.
   294. jmurph Posted: May 26, 2021 at 04:08 PM (#6020986)
How do the Nets look against Joel Embiid, against Giannis, against the guys who will actually push them?

I don't see the Sixers as having the profile of a team who will break Brooklyn's defense- they lack the elite perimeter penetration to take advantage of Kyrie/Harden. I mean they (obviously) don't have much to offer against Embiid, but most teams don't on an individual level.

Jrue/Middleton/Giannis will definitely be interesting in the second round.
   295. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 26, 2021 at 04:18 PM (#6020987)
I mean, I think the Nets would be my pick to win the title right now, but I don't think clowning the Celtics really means anything. Brooklyn are playing the worst or second worst team in the playoffs.
It's not as if the Nets were the healthiest team coming in to the playoffs, and they haven't really had time to play together, yet they're still treating a low seed exactly the way a high seed should. It took them about a half of fiddling to start hitting their stride, and that's impressive.
   296. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 26, 2021 at 04:18 PM (#6020988)
I don't see the Sixers as having the profile of a team who will break Brooklyn's defense- they lack the elite perimeter penetration to take advantage of Kyrie/Harden. I mean they (obviously) don't have much to offer against Embiid, but most teams don't on an individual level.

it's way too early to think about this, so i'll just say the sixers offense vs. nets defense is less interesting than the nets offense vs. sixers defense. and i'd say the same about MIL and BRK.


both MIL and PHI have the defensive personnel to match up against BRK, but i don't know if it will even matter because there's a very real chance that BRK will still run over both of them.
   297. asinwreck Posted: May 26, 2021 at 04:29 PM (#6020992)
The Bucks handled the Nets well in the regular season. Obviously, the Nets didn't have everyone active together. In a series where Irving, Harden, and Durant are all healthy, it would be interesting to see how Simmons or Giannis's assignments on defense against Brooklyn evolve.
   298. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: May 26, 2021 at 05:19 PM (#6021006)
trade machine: who says no?

PHI: kawhi leonard, paul george
LAC: tharris, ben simmons, matisse thybulle, [every PHI draft pick for the next decade]
   299. SteveF Posted: May 26, 2021 at 06:40 PM (#6021021)
Boston is bad enough that I'm not going to draw conclusions about the defense of the Nets until I start to see games against legitimate competition. Switching teams always give the Celtics issues because Tatum is so horrendous as an isolation scorer and the Celtics are a low basketball IQ/terrible passing team.
   300. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: May 26, 2021 at 06:51 PM (#6021023)
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