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NBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread

I estimate there are maybe 10-12 Primates left on this site, and they all post in the NBA thread.

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   2901. DCA Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:22 PM (#6030505)
confirming the first trade of the fake offseason:

GSW gets Delon Wright
SAC gets Kevon Looney, Eric Paschall, 2022 R2
   2902. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:23 PM (#6030506)
I would absolutely do #19 + Barrett for Fox (who I think would fit in well with the Knicks, and I keep the other picks to try to find or trade for a shooter), but I don't think the $$$ works post-extension for Fox.


It does work because we are both under the cap teams. You actually have cap room.

Edit: DeAaron Fox seems destined to be on the Knicks and have injury issues after an all-star first season and 50 wins.
   2903. asinwreck Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:29 PM (#6030508)
@wojespn
BREAKING: Memphis is finalizing a trade to send Jonas Valanciunas and 2021 Nos. 17 and 51 picks to New Orleans for Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 2021 picks Nos. 10 and 40 and a protected 2022 first-round pick via the Lakers, sources tell ESPN.

The merry-go-round in New Orleans continues.
   2904. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:30 PM (#6030509)
Knicks - Before you do a Fox deal, would you have interest in any of Huerter / Reddish / Gallo / Okongwu / Bogdan? #20 is also on the block.
   2905. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:31 PM (#6030510)
Wow that is a weird deal.
   2906. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:31 PM (#6030511)
ooh - that memphis / nwo deal is more interesting than i expected.

i wonder if the pellies will flip jonas, an underrated dude who doesn't necessarily match well with zion.
   2907. DCA Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:33 PM (#6030512)
Am I wrong that I don't like that deal for either team?
   2908. asinwreck Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:35 PM (#6030513)
I won't be surprised if Memphis tries to move Bledsoe quickly, but, yeah, that's a weird one.
   2909. PJ Martinez Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:36 PM (#6030514)
Some capologists on Twitter saying that this means Memphis will decline the team option on Winslow to make the money work. (Or could there be more to come?) Per Bobby Marks, the trade can't be made official until August 6.
   2910. jmurph Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:37 PM (#6030515)
The merry-go-round in New Orleans continues.

Merry-go-round is right, I have no idea what they're doing from year to year.

   2911. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:37 PM (#6030516)
Am I wrong that I don't like that deal for either team?


It's super weird ...

Like, Jonas doesn't fit next to Zion AT ALL.

On the other hand, Memphis picked up a #### ton of dead money without much compensation. What's the rush to get this done now?

I don't really get it from either side.
   2912. jmurph Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:38 PM (#6030517)
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
The Pelicans appear to have their trade that will create the needed salary-cap space to make the free-agent run at Toronto's Kyle Lowry we've been discussing since last week.
Quote Tweet

Huh.

Lowry seems to think he's going to get 3 years/$90 million. I'm a little skeptical that would be a good decision.

EDIT: Woj also suggests this gives the Pelicans flexibility to match a big Lonzo offer.
   2913. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:42 PM (#6030520)
it was all but known that new orleans was going to move adams or bledsoe, at minimum, with the #10 pick as bait - in pursuit of cap space. i was surprised at the jonas part and that both of those NWO guys were in the deal...
there's absolutely zero chance that the winslow option gets picked up unless a team trades for him; they won't.

i'm not familiar with the conditions on that '22 laker pick - i'm guessing it'll convey that year as a low 1st? (NO added top 10 protections on it ... don't know what the alternative conveyance would be)
   2914. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:43 PM (#6030521)
If I'm taking Steven Adams, I want some kind of a pick attached to him. He's pretty overpaid.

If Adams were a free agent, what would he sign for? My guess is something like 4/$60M. He's not a great fit next to Zion, but he's still among the best at the screen & dive, defend the paint, offensive rebound & putback role as the single big man in the lineup. He's fared quite well by the plus/minus stats throughout his career, and he's only entering his age 28 season.

First big question of the draft, should we include that real life trade or not? When does time freeze for our purposes?

I think that deal makes a lot of sense for New Orleans assuming they're lining up for a big move in free agency. It clears more than $20M in cap space both this year and next year.
   2915. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:50 PM (#6030523)
adding to DLGM and jmurph:

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
21m
New Orleans creates salary cap space for August that allows them to either match an offer sheet on Lonzo Ball, or have the cap space to pursue a significant free agent point guard, including Kyle Lowry and others. Pels liked Valanciunas as floor spacer at center over Adams, too
   2916. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:51 PM (#6030524)
I have always liked Lowry's game, but the guy is not Chris Paul, and he is 35.
   2917. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:52 PM (#6030525)
New Orleans creates salary cap space for August that allows them to either match an offer sheet on Lonzo Ball, or have the cap space to pursue a significant free agent point guard, including Kyle Lowry and others. Pels liked Valanciunas as floor spacer at center over Adams, too


70% of Valunciunas's shots were taken within 10 feet from the basket.
   2918. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:52 PM (#6030526)
Jonas can shoot a little, but he's still best crunching people down low (edit: see tship) and I'd want a more limber defender there.

Lowry - same here, rr.
   2919. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 04:56 PM (#6030527)
I don't understand why New Orleans is not beating down Indiana's door with some kind of Myles Turner offer.
   2920. asinwreck Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6030532)
I wonder if DG checked in with Orlando on Vučević at the deadline.
   2921. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6030533)
@wojespn - Detroit’s internal meetings are still revolving around three players for the No. 1 pick on Thursday night — Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green and Evan Mobley, sources tell ESPN. Detroit isn’t fully there yet on committing to Cunningham with their first overall choice.


Does this Tweet "mean" anything? I always try to decipher the goal of giving something like this to Woj. Tellem and/or Ed Stefanski seem close to Woj so I assume this came from higher up in Detroit, but to what purpose I can't figure.

If you're dead-set on Cade, you probably just say things to make him feel warm and fuzzy. (EDIT which to me is not this.) If you're looking to trade the pick, I'd think you'd want people to think you are going to have to pay a heavy price to trade, and to me this does the opposite. Unless you are looking to make a trade and aren't getting the offers you want because people don't know the store is open.

Or Weaver/Tellem/Stefanski just like Woj so feel like giving him some ultimately-meaningless/highly-retweetable gossip that Shams doesn't have?

Maybe the point of all this is blindingly obvious to others. Or maybe there's no point.
   2922. . . . . . . Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:08 PM (#6030535)
It does work because we are both under the cap teams. You actually have cap room.


It is so ordered. Agreed.

Knicks - Before you do a Fox deal, would you have interest in any of Huerter / Reddish / Gallo / Okongwu / Bogdan? #20 is also on the block.


No, but I'll explain my thinking. The current Knicks roster is a dead end. Those guys don't change that.

Fox has a chance - albeit slim - to change that. In particular, he doesn't generate a ton of surplus value (if any) on his new deal, but he's a legit star and fun to watch, and he's not incompatible with Randle. You can imagine a Knicks team lead by Randle and Fox winning a fun 50 games, and I'm pretty sure that's the Knicks' best chance to bring in the necessary third piece. Otherwise, you're just playing out the string on the failed rebuild, hoping you catch lightning in a bottle with a lucky non-lottery pick, and losing half a decade.

YMMV.
   2923. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:09 PM (#6030536)
2921/C&P: i think it's to say "we will listen if you want to offer the farm for this pick". ymmv.

oh, i get it, uh, "......". i'm looking to do a consolidation deal and that doesn't fit your goals.
i do think it possibly fits SAC's goals if they want to flip rj to me, but we don't value the players on my roster the same way so - unlikely?
   2924. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:11 PM (#6030537)
Okay, so just to be clear:

NYK gets DeAaron Fox
SAC gets RJ Barrett, 2021 R1.19


Ship it.
   2925. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:16 PM (#6030540)
Is anyone drafting for HOU, yet?

If I end up with them, then I had hoped to talk to ORL about #2 for something around #6 and #8...but I think their fake GM doesn't want to do deals?
   2926. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:21 PM (#6030542)
The BTF SAC/NY deal is pretty interesting, and it fits in philosophically with stuff that shipman posts about players. I also assume that Walton is a goner on the Ghost Kings. Ha.
   2927. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:23 PM (#6030544)
I am the fake ORL GM in possession of 5 and 8, expecting to stand pat in general due to lack of time as well as the fact that the cupboard is largely bare. Also, truth be told I don't love any of the consensus 2-4 guys enough to make a major play to trade up and am more excited about the two bites at the apple.
   2928. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#6030545)
I'll take HOU just to keep thing moving. Did DET pick yet?

I'm open to trading #2.
   2929. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:38 PM (#6030549)
yes, DET picked Cade
   2930. Hombre Brotani Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:38 PM (#6030550)
How married are we to the real-life dealings of teams? If the real Lakers make Heild-Kuzma work with the real Kings, are we then locked in on that? (I would like that to happen, by the way.)
   2931. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:49 PM (#6030554)
@Brotani I think we pretty much create our own branch of the Sacred Timeline with these drafts, right?
   2932. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:51 PM (#6030555)
How married are we to the real-life dealings of teams?


About as married as Ben Affleck is to Jennifer Garner, I think. Guys have always done what they want in this exercise IIRC.
   2933. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 05:54 PM (#6030556)
How married are we to the real-life dealings of teams? If the real Lakers make Heild-Kuzma work with the real Kings, are we then locked in on that? (I would like that to happen, by the way.)


What are you throwing in with Kuzma to get Buddy Hield?
   2934. Willard Baseball Posted: July 26, 2021 at 06:02 PM (#6030558)
If I get a say, Memphis is not doing that deal. Zero interest in Steven Adams/Eric Bledsoe pairing to move up to 10. I have a few guys at 17 that I like.
   2935. aberg Posted: July 26, 2021 at 06:09 PM (#6030560)
I can see why Memphis would want to clear some room for JJJ to play more minutes at C. Maybe it's easier to play Adams 20 minutes per game than it would be to do the same for JV. Still, taking on ~$70m of salary commitment seems like a steep price to add 1.5 first round picks. Am I missing something?
   2936. asinwreck Posted: July 26, 2021 at 06:14 PM (#6030561)
Maybe the Grizzlies really like a player at 10 that wouldn't be there at 17?
   2937. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 06:15 PM (#6030562)
Fine by me, Willard.

Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, and the #10 pick remain available, along with Brandon Ingram, Kira Lewis, other picks, and everything under the sun besides Zion.

First priority is Lillard, followed by SGA. Happy to consider any offer.
   2938. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 06:17 PM (#6030564)
You know who would be a great fit with Zion? Tyrese Haliburton.

Plus I have cap space that I can use to just absorb Steven Adams or Eric Bledsoe (or both!).
   2939. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 06:24 PM (#6030566)
Hmm... Have anything specific in mind?
   2940. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 06:30 PM (#6030567)
If I'm taking on Steven Adams and Bledsoe, then you also get Haliburton and Harrison Barnes. HB is in there to make the money work, we don't need him if the Kuzma/Hield deal happens.

I value Barnes as being roughly neutral money, Haliburton as having a large surplus value, and Adams/Bledsoe as being basically roughly 40 million of dead money (requiring 2 FRPs on their own to take).

So you're looking at something in the neighborhood of 4 FRP worth of value.
   2941. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 06:36 PM (#6030570)
DLGM: interested in something centered around #2 + #23 + #24 for Ingram + stuff?
   2942. Willard Baseball Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:00 PM (#6030573)
Memphis message boards think this is going to lead to them getting up to 3, while taking on Kevin Love money.
   2943. Harlond Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:03 PM (#6030576)
Updated. jmurph, I assigned you Cleveland because they have only one pick and it gets you in and out quickest. Let me know if you want a second team. ;).

I have lots of time, so I guess I can be "in charge," whatever that means. Also, because I have plenty of time, I'll take Indiana as a second team.

Oriole Tragic on the clock, jmurph on deck.

1. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Cade Cunningham
2. Houston (Oriole Tragic)-
3. Cleveland (jmurph)-
4. Toronto (TFTIO)-
5. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-
6. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
7. Golden State (DCA)-
8. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-
9. Sacramento (tshipman)-
10. New Orleans (Dandy)-
11. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
12. San Antonio-
13. Indiana (harlond)-
14. Golden State (DCA)-
15. Washington-
16. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
17. Memphis (Willard)-
18. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
19. Sacramento (tshipman) (trade)-
20. Atlanta (Der-K)-
21. New York (. . . . .)-
22. LA Lakers (Shohei)-
23. Houston (Oriole Tragic)-
24. Houston (Oriole Tragic)-
25. LA Clippers-
26. Denver (aberg)-
27. Brooklyn-
28. Philadelphia-
29. Phoenix-
30. Utah-

31. Milwaukee (Ken Griffey)-
32. New York (. . . . .)-
33. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-
34. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
35. New Orleans (Dandy)-
36. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
37. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
38. Chicago (asinwreck)-
39. Sacramento (tshipman)-
40. New Orleans (Dandy)-
41. San Antonio-
42. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
43. New Orleans (Dandy)-
44. Brooklyn-
45. Boston-
46. Toronto (TFTIO)-
47. Toronto (TFTIO)-
48. Atlanta (Der-K)-
49. Brooklyn-
50. Philadelphia-
51. Memphis (Willard)-
52. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
53. New Orleans (Dandy)-
54. Indiana-
55. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
56. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
57. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
58. New York (. . . . .)-
59. Brooklyn-
60. Indiana-

Portland (mike f) - no picks
Minnesota (Mellow Mouse) - no picks

Trade 1-GSW gets Delon Wright
SAC gets Kevon Looney, Eric Paschall, 2022 R2

Trade 2-NYK gets DeAaron Fox
SAC gets RJ Barrett, 2021 R1.19
   2944. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:05 PM (#6030577)
I don't get why any team would be trading up to 3. All of the 2-7 guys (roughly) look like they have questions. Cade is a high floor prospect, but even Cade looks more like championship #2 than a LeBron/Luka/Harden type.
   2945. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:09 PM (#6030580)
Yes, I’d do something along those lines. Not sure how much cap space Houston has, but I guess I could take on Eric Gordon’s bad contract to make that happen. Ingram + #40 for Gordon + #2, #23, and #24?
   2946. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:11 PM (#6030581)
Toronto is open for offers for #4 and, notably, Siakam. We wouldn’t necessarily hang up on calls for FVV or OG and will be happy to facilitate a Lowry s/t.
   2947. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:21 PM (#6030584)
DCA, let's do the first trade you proposed: Wiggins + #14 for Adams and Bledsoe. I'm in stockpiling assets mode.
   2948. Harlond Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:21 PM (#6030585)
Harlond, what do you want for SGA? I've heard the rumors that OKC is hesitant to give him a max extension and build around him, rather preferring to double down on The Process. How about Kira Lewis, Jaxson Hayes, and #10 for SGA and #34? We could also loop in DCA for a 3-team deal if needed.
DLGM, SGA has shown decent growth over three seasons, and if he continued this rate of growth, maybe he'd be worth a big extension. In any event, we need a star in OKC, and I see SGA's chances of becoming one as greater than the chances of Lewis, Hayes, and the #10. Although I did note that Hayes shot 6 for 14 from 3.
   2949. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:22 PM (#6030586)
Harlond, any interest in #4 for SGA?
   2950. DCA Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:32 PM (#6030587)
Having picked up Delon Wright, I’m no longer interested in Bledsoe. Although having moved Looney, I am more interested in Adams. Would need a third team destination for Bledsoe.
   2951. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:43 PM (#6030588)
DCA, if my deal with Oriole Tragic goes through, how about replacing Bledsoe with Eric Gordon? He makes sense in Golden State as a smart movement shooter with deep range who can sub in for Klay/Steph.
   2952. Harlond Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:45 PM (#6030589)
#2949--Very possibly; I'd have to see who went 1-3.
   2953. DCA Posted: July 26, 2021 at 07:47 PM (#6030590)
Don’t want Gordon either. I don’t need another high priced guard since I have curry Klay Wright and poole in the rotation.
   2954. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:01 PM (#6030593)
Rumor: thunder may have offered 6+SGA for 1.
Also, in the unlikely event the lakers pick is top 10 next year, grizz get 2 2nds instead
   2955. Hombre Brotani Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:05 PM (#6030594)
What are you throwing in with Kuzma to get Buddy Hield?
The only things I can throw in: KCP and the 22nd pick.
   2956. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:17 PM (#6030595)
Oriole Tragic: Reposting in case this got buried since you're on the clock. Offering Ingram + #40 for Gordon + #2, #23, and #24. Deal?
   2957. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:24 PM (#6030596)
Willard: as we’re both better at depth than top end talent and (I think) view players in similar ways this’ll probably go nowhere - but - do you see any places for us to link up on a deal?
You have several players that I like, though I’m not sure how I’d use them.
   2958. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:26 PM (#6030597)
DLGM: I was hoping for more in the "stuff" column for #2 and two more first-rounders.

Possible options:

#2, #23, #24, Gordon for Ingram + #14 (assuming you end up with that pick)

If you don't want to add a first round sweetener, then how about Wall + #2 for Ingram + #35? Wall is an FA in two years.
   2959. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:43 PM (#6030598)
Mike Tokito @mtokito
In the realm of shrunken team sports in the Olympics, rugby 7s > 3x3 hoops ... by a huge margin

   2960. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:46 PM (#6030599)
In your offer above, I'd replace #14 with #53 AND the Lakers' 2022 1st rounder (top-4 protected -- HA).

   2961. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:55 PM (#6030601)
I liked 3x3 hoops - like pickup but faster and they know what they’re doing
   2962. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 08:55 PM (#6030603)
DLGM: I'll do it for Ingram + 35 + Lakers 2022 FRP unprotected.
   2963. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:08 PM (#6030606)
Interesting that Ingram may be moved; I do not see that happening in real life. I will look at the BTF deal carefully if it goes down.
   2964. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:09 PM (#6030607)
@rr this whole exercise is about as far from real life as it gets. :)
   2965. jmurph Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:10 PM (#6030608)
Updated. jmurph, I assigned you Cleveland because they have only one pick and it gets you in and out quickest.

Love it.

Fellow GMs: absolutely everyone except Jarrett Allen is available, including US Men's Olympic team member (look it up!) Kevin Love.
   2966. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:14 PM (#6030610)
I’ll do #35, but the Lakers’ pick stays top-4 protected. No GM could survive the fallout in the remote chance that it became a top pick and had been dealt away as roughly a throw-in.
   2967. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:17 PM (#6030611)
DLGM: Done deal.

NOP gets #2, #23, #24, Gordon
HOU gets Ingram, #35, Lakers 2022 FRP (top 4 protected)

NOP is on the clock.

HOU tries to figure it out with Ingram, Wood, Wall.
   2968. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:32 PM (#6030612)
Fellow GMs: absolutely everyone except Jarrett Allen is available, including US Men's Olympic team member (look it up!) Kevin Love.


Wow, I didn't realize that US Men's Olympic team member Kevin Love is available.

I have former second overall pick Marvin Bagley III available. He loves small towns, and has clear superstar potential just waiting to be unlocked by the explosive executive team and remarkable coaching staff. We hate to let him go, but for proven TEAM USA veteran Kevin Love? We can figure a deal out I'm sure.

edit:
Rumor: thunder may have offered 6+SGA for 1.


Wow, that is wild for Detroit. How do you turn that down?
   2969. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#6030613)
Okay, time to trade for either Lillard or Shai. Let's try Lillard first.

mike f:

POR gets: #2, #10, 1st rounders in 2023, 2025, and 2027, + pick 2 of Adams, Gordon, and Bledsoe for salary purposes
NO gets: Lillard, Covington

DCA, feel free to propose something as a 3rd team if you want Adams.
   2970. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:36 PM (#6030614)
In the unlikely event I snt Collins away, I’d pursue Nance from you, jmurph,

Supposed 6+SGA=1 offer, which could be baloney: I know, right? You could flip SGA for a ton of you had to.
   2971. jmurph Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:47 PM (#6030615)
tship: oh I’d absolutely take Bagley for Love if you’re serious. Can Sacramento make that work straight up under the cap?

If, on the other hand, you’re just mocking the idea of acquiring Kevin Love, well then yeah that’s also fair.
   2972. tshipman Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:55 PM (#6030617)
tship: oh I’d absolutely take Bagley for Love if you’re serious. Can Sacramento make that work straight up under the cap?


You have to give me something. Love is owed 62 million over two years, and Bagley offsets that just by 11.3 million. So there's about 51 million of dead money's difference.

I value Love more than just completely dead money, but not that much more. You'd have to throw in the equivalent of a late FRP, or about 20mm of value.
   2973. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: July 26, 2021 at 09:55 PM (#6030618)
My version of the Pistons wouldn't give up #1 for SGA+#6. I'd rather just take the one big swing.
   2974. Thok Posted: July 26, 2021 at 10:06 PM (#6030621)
I've been waiting to sneak in late and take a random team; you can put me down for San Antonio.
   2975. jmurph Posted: July 26, 2021 at 10:08 PM (#6030622)
tship: fair enough but I’ve got nothing. Your guys don’t have any other bad money to send Cleveland’s way, and the Cavs only have future seconds to send out (good ones, Houston’s and Washington’s next year, but still only seconds).
   2976. Harlond Posted: July 26, 2021 at 10:27 PM (#6030625)
Shohei, any interest in Kemba Walker?
   2977. DCA Posted: July 26, 2021 at 10:28 PM (#6030627)
Dandy - if you can swing that for Lillard, I’d throw in the 14 and Wiggins if I can get back Adams and RoCo.
   2978. Willard Baseball Posted: July 26, 2021 at 10:31 PM (#6030629)
Der-K, any chance you don't want to give Collins the max? I could do a sign and trade and include someone like Clarke.

Kyle Anderson of interest? I would want something back.

I am really high on about the top 7 of Memphis, and don't want to do too much to mess up a group that has chemistry and just needs health from JJJ and some shooting.

   2979. GregF Posted: July 26, 2021 at 10:33 PM (#6030630)
Longtime lurker, will volunteer for Phoenix if it’s still available. Interested in dealing #29, Carter, Saric’s salary for some combination of a perimeter playmaker, a true backup 5 and/or an athletic defensive 4.
   2980. Willard Baseball Posted: July 26, 2021 at 10:40 PM (#6030632)
Athletic Supporter...any interest in moving Mo Bamba?
   2981. Harlond Posted: July 26, 2021 at 10:46 PM (#6030635)
GregF, Phoenix is available.

We still need selectors for Washington (1 pick), LA Clippers (1), Brooklyn (4), Boston (1), Utah (1), and Philadelphia (2). Indiana (3) also, if someone wants to take over for me.
   2982. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 26, 2021 at 11:11 PM (#6030638)
Dandy - if you can swing that for Lillard, I’d throw in the 14 and Wiggins if I can get back Adams and RoCo.

Nah, that wouldn't help. Thanks for the offer though.

If Portland (mike f) hasn't responded to post #2969 by tomorrow morning, I'll make an offer to someone else. Don't want to hold this up too long.

Also, if anyone else really wants the #2 pick, feel free to propose something.
   2983. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 26, 2021 at 11:23 PM (#6030640)
I will pick unbiasedly for Boston. heh.
   2984. SteveF Posted: July 26, 2021 at 11:26 PM (#6030641)
You can't be any worse at it than the Celtics have been the last 3 years. Just don't draft anyone under 6'3".
   2985. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 26, 2021 at 11:37 PM (#6030642)
Can't believe someone isn't swooping in with PHI to get in on the Lillard sweepstakes.

That's a huge offer from fake NOP.
   2986. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 26, 2021 at 11:41 PM (#6030643)
I’m willing to give Collins the max if I think someone else will offer him that but am also willing to ship him out. If I do that though, it would be as part of a process to get an established star - like in a deal for like a Lillard (who I guess is pelican bound) or Beal. At that point, the dominos start tumbling as I reshape the roster in other ways.

To the extent that I’m reshaping the roster otherwise, I’m generally looking to get slightly younger. That’s why Bogdan could be had in the right deal. I view almost all of my contracts as having positive surplus value, which oddly complicates things.

I like Anderson, Clarke, Melton and Bane (among others outside the inner core) but don’t have obvious deals that make sense for you as of now.
   2987. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 26, 2021 at 11:45 PM (#6030644)
2985

Stigs needs to get on the job.

Simmons + other stuff ofc.
   2988. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: July 26, 2021 at 11:46 PM (#6030645)
Stigs needs to get on the job.

Simmons + other stuff ofc.
yeah, sure.

POR: name a price, and i'll try to make it work.
   2989. Willard Baseball Posted: July 26, 2021 at 11:51 PM (#6030646)
Der-K, I like those same guys. I think Memphis is one year away from making some sort of bigger move, so unless you are itching to move Collins for less than he is worth, we probably don't match up.

Melton is a huge asset with this group, and Bane can shoot. Dillon Brooks is where the upgrade is needed, but he has shot creation, and seems to fit into the culture well.

I plan to upgrade around the periphery and hope JJJ turns into what we thought Porzingis would turn into.
   2990. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 27, 2021 at 12:01 AM (#6030648)
I’d probably do the same thing.
Like I said, I think you and I tend to come up with similar valuations. :)

Melton seems like the new Marcus Smart to me.
   2991. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: July 27, 2021 at 12:02 AM (#6030649)
Not sure what his market value is, but I'm not really interested in dealing Bamba. A high beta player who's probably useless is exactly who should be on the Magic right now.
   2992. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 27, 2021 at 12:05 AM (#6030651)
Simmons/Lillard:

As per the Trade Machine, FWIW, the salaries work as a straight-up deal, and it also works with Thybulle added (you can also add Milton and/or Maxey).
   2993. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: July 27, 2021 at 12:58 AM (#6030657)
As per the Trade Machine, FWIW, the salaries work as a straight-up deal, and it also works with Thybulle added (you can also add Milton and/or Maxey).
in the words of liam neeson: no. thybulle? no no no no; that's going too far.
   2994. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 27, 2021 at 01:00 AM (#6030658)
Yeah, I figured that might be a deal breaker for you.
   2995. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: July 27, 2021 at 01:05 AM (#6030659)
Yeah, I figured that might be a deal breaker for you.
it's not actually a dealbreaker, but i would strongly prefer not to move him at all.
   2996. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: July 27, 2021 at 01:23 AM (#6030660)
Ava Wallace @avarwallace
After one quarter, Nigeria's up 20-17 on Team USA Ify Ibekwe leads Nigera w/ 7 Loyd and Taurasi w/ 5 each for USA
Ava Wallace @avarwallace
So sorry if you wanted quotes from Sue Bird or Diana Taurasi after this game, I will be speaking exclusively to the Nigeria player who's done her lipstick in green and white stripes like the flag
Marc J. Spears @MarcJSpears
Shot out to Nigeria Women’s National Basketball Head Coach Otis Hughley, Jr., who is doing a great job coaching as his team is up 20-17 over mighty USA at the end of 1st quarter. Hughley is a former Kings assistant and coached @DeMarcus Cousins at LeFlore High School in Mobile, Ala.

   2997. mike f Posted: July 27, 2021 at 06:52 AM (#6030663)
Stig, any interest in CJ for Simmons, or are you dead set on Dame? Anyone want to beat DLGM’s offer? I’m looking for a young star, non Simmons division, if possible.
   2998. mike f Posted: July 27, 2021 at 08:37 AM (#6030671)
Alright. I'll take NOP offer of Adams, Bledsoe, and picks and take Mobley.

Anyone interested in Adams or Nurkic?
   2999. jmurph Posted: July 27, 2021 at 08:58 AM (#6030673)
Any Jalen Green fans interested in jumping up to pick 3 with him still on the board? The Cavs are open to offers.

Nance and Sexton are still available in the right deal.
   3000. mike f Posted: July 27, 2021 at 09:11 AM (#6030675)
jmurph, what are you looking for?
Der-K, what did you have in mind for Simons?
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