Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Friday, May 21, 2021

NBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread

I estimate there are maybe 10-12 Primates left on this site, and they all post in the NBA thread.

Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:07 PM | 4930 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: clutch, narratives, nba, off topic, redemption

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 32 of 50 pages ‹ First  < 30 31 32 33 34 >  Last ›
   3101. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:42 AM (#6030893)
It's interesting how half the participants are eagerly trading for picks and the other half are 'eh, after the first two players, nobody really moves the needle'.
   3102. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:43 AM (#6030894)
I know you can't trade consecutive future firsts, but once the draft is started, maybe you can trade current year firsts and next year firsts?
   3103. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:43 AM (#6030895)
@Der-K KPJ seems at least useful (maybe even pretty good) given where he was drafted. His 2P% and AST% went up with more MPG in HOU, but then he got hurt. Super young.

I'm not seeing him as untouchable, but I don't think he's a throw-in, either.
   3104. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:45 AM (#6030896)
1. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Cade Cunningham
2. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Evan Mobley
3. Cleveland (jmurph)-Jalen Suggs
4. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Jalen Green
5. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-Scottie Barnes
6. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Josh Giddey
7. Golden State (DCA)-Jonathan Kuminga
8. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-James Bouknight
9. Sacramento (tshipman)-Alperen Sengun
10. Toronto (TFTIO)- (trade)-Usman Garuba
11. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
12. San Antonio (Thok)-
13. Indiana (harlond)-
14. Golden State (DCA)-
15. Washington (spivey2)-
16. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
17. Memphis (Willard)-
18. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
19. Sacramento (tshipman) (trade)-
20. Atlanta (Der-K)-
21. New York (. . . . .)-
22. LA Lakers (Shohei)-
23. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-
24. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-
25. LA Clippers-
26. Denver (aberg)-
27. Brooklyn-
28. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-
29. Phoenix (GregF)-
30. Utah-

31. Milwaukee (Ken Griffey)-
32. New York (. . . . .)-
33. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-
34. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
35. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-
36. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
37. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
38. Chicago (asinwreck)-
39. Sacramento (tshipman)-
40. New Orleans (Dandy)-
41. San Antonio (Thok)-
42. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
43. New Orleans (Dandy)-
44. Brooklyn-
45. Boston (rr)-
46. Toronto (TFTIO)-
47. Toronto (TFTIO)-
48. Atlanta (Der-K)-
49. Brooklyn-
50. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-
51. Memphis (Willard)-
52. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
53. New Orleans (Dandy)-
54. Indiana (harlond)-
55. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
56. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
57. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
58. New York (. . . . .)-
59. Brooklyn-
60. Indiana (harlond)-

Portland (mike f) - no picks
Minnesota (Mellow Mouse) - no picks

Trade 1-GSW gets Delon Wright
SAC gets Kevon Looney, Eric Paschall, 2022 R2

Trade 2-NYK gets DeAaron Fox
SAC gets RJ Barrett, 2021 R1.19

Trade 3-NOP gets #2, #23, #24, Gordon
HOU gets Ingram, #35, Lakers 2022 FRP (top 4 protected)

Trade 4-POR gets: #2, #10, 1st rounders in 2023, 2025, and 2027, Adams, Bledsoe
NO gets: Lillard, Covington

Trade 5-Toronto trades #4 for#10, Adams, and Portland's 2023 1st and NO's 2025 1st
   3105. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:51 AM (#6030898)
the sixers have an 8MM trade exception, if anyone wants to dump some money (and maybe get a pick back). the sixers can absorb anyone making less than mason plumlee.

george hill is also available if anyone wants him (10MM in cap ballast).


ben simmons.........

tharris.
   3106. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:56 AM (#6030899)
the sixers have an 8MM trade exception, if anyone wants to dump some money (and maybe get a pick back). the sixers can absorb anyone making less than mason plumlee.

george hill is also available if anyone wants him (10MM in cap ballast).


ben simmons.........

tharris.

Any Kevin Love interest?

(Look I'm worried my shilling for terribly overpaid Cleveland players is going to affect my already poor reputation in this thread. This is Cavs GM jmurph talking!)
   3107. JJ1986 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 11:57 AM (#6030902)
I'm going to pass on the Turner trade because I don't want to jumpstart my rebuild that much. To move things along, I'm taking Moses Moody. It's amazing how much I've moved from stats to eye test over the past 15 years (thought at least the stats like him), but he really looks like an NBA player to me.

DCA, is PJ Washington someone you want or just a throw-in? If my guy is on the board, I'd be interest in working out something involving the 14, Wiggins and Glenn Hollihan potentially without Wiseman being involved.
   3108. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:02 PM (#6030905)
Moses Moody. It's amazing how much I've moved from stats to eye test over the past 15 years (thought at least the stats like him), but he really looks like an NBA player to me.

I don't know anything about him but that's certainly a great NBA name, so I support this.
   3109. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:06 PM (#6030908)
stiggles - Ben Simmons, your 2023 FRP, 2024 first round pick swap, and 2025 FRP for Bradley Beal?
   3110. Harlond Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:09 PM (#6030911)
Thok is on the clock for San Antonio.
   3111. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:09 PM (#6030912)
I could use some not sh*tty bigs for my rotation but Washington specifically isn't super important.

However, if I'm trading for Gigabyte Heliotrope I think I would want to convert Wiseman, Kuminga, and the 14 into guys that can help me compete this year and next, since that's an all-in move and Klay and GH have major durability concerns. Doesn't mean that it has to be done in the same move, however.
   3112. JJ1986 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:09 PM (#6030913)
Moody's a 3&D prospect with great measurables (7'0" wingspan) and though he can't really create, he can dribble.
   3113. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM (#6030914)
Porter/Houston - he absolutely seems tailored to where Houston is right now. High usage, low efficiency, young, lots of potential skills, ten cent head, cheap. Can help you tank - or might score 20 a game - or both.
   3114. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:16 PM (#6030915)
I like Moody a lot. Was hoping he'd drop to 14, but didn't expect him to. Seems like the most likely choice at 7 for the real Warriors.
   3115. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:20 PM (#6030916)
Moody's a 3&D prospect with great measurables (7'0" wingspan) and though he can't really create, he can dribble.


I feel really confident that Moody is going to have a 10+ year career, but I think he has next to no shot of becoming a big star.
   3116. . . . . . . Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:27 PM (#6030918)
I really like Moody as well. Very good chance he generates surplus off of his rookie contract, which is the best you can hope for once you're into the guys with little chance of being worth more than the max.
   3117. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:29 PM (#6030919)
JJ -

If the Wiseman/Wiggins for GH/Washington deal still has potential, I'm wondering if we could bring in Harlond for a three-way to get me Turner, who is a near-perfect roster fit but without a third team involved is pretty much impossible for me to acquire:

GSW gets GH, Turner
CHO gets Wiggins, Wiseman
IND gets Washington, 14, GSW 2022 R1

That's pretty similar to what Harlond asked from you for Turner, and is something I'd be willing to pay.
   3118. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:35 PM (#6030924)
stiggles - Ben Simmons, your 2023 FRP, 2024 first round pick swap, and 2025 FRP for Bradley Beal?
yeah, sure, in.
   3119. JJ1986 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:42 PM (#6030925)
If the Wiseman/Wiggins for GH/Washington deal still has potential, I'm wondering if we could bring in Harlond for a three-way to get me Turner, who is a near-perfect roster fit but without a third team involved is pretty much impossible for me to acquire:
Throw in JTA and I'll do it.
   3120. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6030927)
Fairly sure Philly doesn't have its 2025 pick (sent to OKC in the Horford/Green swap). Would you rather make that 2021 or 2027?
   3121. . . . . . . Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:46 PM (#6030928)
Anyone interested in a lightly used Obi Toppin?
   3122. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:48 PM (#6030930)
I have a sentimental attachment to JTA because he's a local. Would you take one of Mulder, Mannion, Payton, or Smailagic instead?
   3123. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:49 PM (#6030931)
harlond, is there potentially an ATL package for SGA that you find appealing?
of note - atlanta has the OKC '22 1st. you might want that back?
   3124. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:50 PM (#6030932)
Fairly sure Philly doesn't have its 2025 pick (sent to OKC in the Horford/Green swap). Would you rather make that 2021 or 2027?

either of those works for me.
stiggles - you ok with the 2027 FRP? Ok with very light protections on these, but would want the protections to disappear over time, rather than the pick turning into 2nds or something like that.
yeah, that's good.
Anyone interested in a lightly used Obi Toppin?

the sixers can take him into cap room, and add something on top, depending on what i have left after the beal/simmons swap.
   3125. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:50 PM (#6030933)
You're right, Dandy.

stiggles - you ok with the 2027 FRP? Ok with very light protections on these, but would want the protections to disappear over time, rather than the pick turning into 2nds or something like that.

Anyways, I actually think that is a good trade that helps both teams, and I'm a bit surprised it's not been discussed more? Think Philadelphia becomes pretty dangerous with a roster like that, and Beal won't be on the next good Washington team.



   3126. . . . . . . Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:52 PM (#6030934)
the sixers can take him into cap room, and add something on top, depending on what i have left after the beal/simmons swap.


lets discuss when you're done with that.
   3127. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2021 at 12:58 PM (#6030936)
Stupid question:

Is DeAndre Williams from Memphis not draft eligible or something? I can't find him in mocks.
   3128. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:01 PM (#6030938)
he returned to school, i think
   3129. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:02 PM (#6030939)
Well, someone tell him the Kings are considering him with #19 and get his ass back in the draft.
   3130. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:04 PM (#6030941)
Anyways, I actually think that is a good trade that helps both teams, and I'm a bit surprised it's not been discussed more? Think Philadelphia becomes pretty dangerous with a roster like that, and Beal won't be on the next good Washington team.

there are a few problems for WAS to make this deal irl.

firstly, the going rate for a player like beal (or lillard) is 6+ first round picks. if you look at what LAC gave up for paul george and what LAL gave up for anthony davis, these deals are just massive sinkholes. if you look at what MIL gave up for jrue holiday, who is a lesser player than brad beal, it was still 4 future first round picks, plus.

secondly, when you trade someone like brad beal, you don't generally care about getting currently valuable players back. it's all about future value, and while simmons does have future value, he's probably also good enough to keep your team from bottoming out (but then again, because of the shape of his game, he might not at all prevent you from bottoming out).

thirdly, washington is not a well run organization, and the owner is an obstacle to getting something done.

and finally, simmons' issues are what they are. if you're trading beal for a blank slate of future picks, those picks can be anything. but if you're trading beal for simmons, it's just ben simmons. the picks help, of course, but how many more picks could you have gotten if you didn't take back ben simmons?
   3131. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:05 PM (#6030942)
lets discuss when you're done with that.

i think it is, so let me know what would work for you.
   3132. JJ1986 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:10 PM (#6030944)
Beal is not in the tier of players with Lillard, PG and AD.
   3133. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:13 PM (#6030945)
firstly, the going rate for a player like beal (or lillard) is 6+ first round picks. if you look at what LAC gave up for paul george and what LAL gave up for anthony davis, these deals are just massive sinkholes. if you look at what MIL gave up for jrue holiday, who is a lesser player than brad beal, it was still 4 future first round picks, plus.

Add in they probably have to attach picks to Westbrook to move him, I'm guessing? Surely at least one. So if you trade Beal and Westbrook and end up with just Simmons and a couple late firsts, I'm not sure that's better than keeping Westbrook and moving Beal for just the crazy number of picks.
   3134. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:14 PM (#6030946)
Beal is not in the tier of players with Lillard, PG and AD.

Certainly not AD. But I think he's better than Jrue, not as good as but much younger than Lillard, and I don't know, pretty close to PG?
   3135. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:16 PM (#6030948)
3130 - all good points. I do still think Simmons has real value, and can be on the next good Washington team. Fair point that I could have potentially gotten more, though I think Philadelphia does run a pretty reasonable risk of imploding, given so much of their greatness is tied up in Embiid.
   3136. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:20 PM (#6030949)
1. Agree with JJ1986 that Beal is not as good as Lillard/PG/AD
2. Picks are significantly overvalued in today's NBA.
3. As a bad team, I think Simmons has a better shot at being a star player (since, he already is) over the next 7 years than a random 2023 first that's top 4 protected.
4. Most teams don't draft well enough to value picks the way they do.
   3137. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:23 PM (#6030950)
Add in they probably have to attach picks to Westbrook to move him, I'm guessing? Surely at least one. So if you trade Beal and Westbrook and end up with just Simmons and a couple late firsts, I'm not sure that's better than keeping Westbrook and moving Beal for just the crazy number of picks.


FWIW - little! - I made it clear Beal was on the market and nobody spoke up. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to really hunt down trades, but I really don't think they should be entering the season with him. I don't think they should be giving him the max.

I'm a bit unsure how good Beal is too. Though I think he's perceived as a near superstar, on par with PG, though I think he's well below him.
   3138. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:24 PM (#6030952)
how you value picks is a function of, not just where you are on the "success cycle" and your budget/$ but also - what are your goals? if you're championship or bust and not super rich, you've got to have more big wins / nail a series of picks.
but - if you want to indiana it and be consistently solid/competitive ... you've a lot more options.
---
though i was interesting in preparing an offer for beal, i like him less than the media does as well. the d is bad and he's not efficient enough on o to make up for it.
   3139. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:36 PM (#6030954)
I'm a bit unsure how good Beal is too. Though I think he's perceived as a near superstar, on par with PG, though I think he's well below him.

if you can get beal's usage rate under 30% and his 3P% over 40%, i think he becomes more valuable than paul george.

i think both of those things are likely to happen if beal is playing with embiid.


the sixers' defense would be questionable. beal/thybulle/green/tharris/embiid would be a reasonably competent defense, but does that lineup have enough playmaking in the half court? or do you go with maxey/beal/green/tharris/embiid, and maximize your ballhandling, but give up a ton of size and perimeter defense? or do you let green walk, and go with maxey/beal/thybulle/tharris/embiid, and hope that you can fix whatever goes wrong at the next trade deadline?
   3140. mike f Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:37 PM (#6030955)
I made it clear Beal was on the market and nobody spoke up. Unfortunately, I didn't have time to really hunt down trades, but I really don't think they should be entering the season with him.

I had the same issue. I wanted to move Lillard, and didn't want to hold up the draft.
   3141. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:50 PM (#6030957)
I have no idea if he's under or overrated, but Beal is clearly a max+ player, and only just turned 28. I get that putting together a package good enough to get him and then also paying the max makes things tricky, but next to the right guy he's about as good a second best player as you can reasonably hope to have.
   3142. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:56 PM (#6030960)
Like, Beal would look so good next to Embiid.
   3143. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:57 PM (#6030961)
I have no idea if he's under or overrated, but Beal is clearly a max+ player, and only just turned 28. I get that putting together a package good enough to get him and then also paying the max makes things tricky, but next to the right guy he's about as good a second best player as you can reasonably hope to have.


if you can get beal's usage rate under 30% and his 3P% over 40%, i think he becomes more valuable than paul george.


People seem to be evaluating Beal based on a theoretical version of him, and not on his actual numbers. Actual Brad Beal has been mediocre the last three years, mostly due to terrible defense and taking a ton of bad shots (30% on pull up 3s!).
   3144. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 01:59 PM (#6030962)
I think it's a bit worrisome that Beal, despite being on a roster with very little talent, has very mediocre plus-minus numbers each of the last 3 years. Plus-minus has it's limitations, but that's 3 full years, on a team where I'd expect a star to have insane plus-minus numbers.

The one thing you could probably argue with him, is he's more of a 16 game player than a 82 game player kind of like Devin Booker, with his ability to score unassisted and score from 3 levels.
   3145. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:04 PM (#6030964)
Actual Brad Beal has been mediocre the last three years

I already had this pulled up, comparing him to Middleton (who he's much better than):
Beal last three years: 28.7 pts/5.3 assists/4.7 rebounds. 22.0 PER, .584 TS%

Those are also the worst 3pt% years of his career, but he was much better the previous few years on similar volume.

He's really quite good.
   3146. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:08 PM (#6030969)
So why was he so mediocre by +/-? That's what I'm talking about.

Net rating Brad Beal:
2019: +2.5
2020: -0.3 (!!!)
2021: +3.2
   3147. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6030976)
I am deeply skeptical of +/-. I think it's just too noisy.
   3148. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6030977)
People seem to be evaluating Beal based on a theoretical version of him, and not on his actual numbers. Actual Brad Beal has been mediocre the last three years, mostly due to terrible defense and taking a ton of bad shots (30% on pull up 3s!) an ill-fitting roster filled with misfits of questionable ability.

ftfy.

i don't buy that beal is a terrible defender. he seems more like someone whose defense will play up or down to the quality of his teammates. if he's surrounded by good defenders, he can be hidden on a 3rd or 4th option without ruining anything; when he's surrounded by bad defenders, it doesn't really matter.

as far as taking a ton of bad shots, a bad shot from brad beal was still a better option for washington than a good shot from rui hachimura or deni avdija.
   3149. aberg Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6030978)
Orlando getting Barnes is perfect. Too bad they traded Gordon. Barnes, Gordon, Isaac, and Bamba could challenge for longest lineup ever. Is it good? It's long.

@aberg HOU is flush with "bench guards", and could probably use a rotation big. (I tried to get Nurkic, for example.) LMK if you see anybody on my roster that can help? (I already traded Gordon.)


Any interest in a Tate-Bol challenge trade? Bol probably has more volatility, which might be a plus for Houston.
   3150. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6030979)
If I want to win a title, I prefer Middleton. Better defense and passing.
That said, I have a bias toward two-way guys.
   3151. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6030981)
Orlando getting Barnes is perfect. Too bad they traded Gordon. Barnes, Gordon, Isaac, and Bamba could challenge for longest lineup ever. Is it good? It's long.
bol bol, anyone?
   3152. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:15 PM (#6030983)
So why was he so mediocre by +/-? That's what I'm talking about.

I don't know, I think sometimes bad teams do weird things to those numbers. But I'm not throwing everything else out because of that, and he also has several years of great +/- in his career, is still fairly young, and hasn't faced any kind of serious career altering injuries (that I'm aware of at least?).
   3153. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6030985)
If I want to win a title, I prefer Middleton. Better defense and passing.

Strong, strong disagree on that.
   3154. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:19 PM (#6030986)
Beal is a better scorer than Middleton... but Middleton scores more efficiently, while taking harder shots imo (look at % of 2pt assisted and 3pt assisted, where Middleton is absolutely absurd). Middleton is also a better rebounder, roughly equivalent passer imo, and quite a bit better better defender. Middleton struggles against quick guards, but he can guard big wings credibly. I view him as a plus defender, and I think that is generally his rep.
   3155. nick swisher hygiene Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6030990)
Why is the US not playing in the men’s Olympic 3 on 3?

Format:

“ 2021 Olympics 3-on-3 basketball rules, format
Each team will have three players and one sub available to compete in 10-minute, first-to-21 games. If neither team hits 21 points in 10 minutes, then the leading team wins the game.
As for scoring, shots outside of the arc are worth two points, and shots inside the arc are worth one point. Players must clear the ball beyond the arc on defensive rebounds, and possession changes after every make…..The shot clock is just 12 seconds, exactly half the time available in the NBA.”

Who would you guys want repping the US in 3 on 3 ?

   3156. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:26 PM (#6030992)
(look at % of 2pt assisted and 3pt assisted, where Middleton is absolutely absurd)

Their career numbers are almost literally identical in these two categories: .448/.786 vs .445/.792.
   3157. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:27 PM (#6030994)
the us didn't qualify. lost to the netherlands prior to the olympics, as i recall. men's 3x3 gets much worse players (in the context of 5x5) than does the women's game.

supposedly, you want to have your group of 4 spend a lot of time training together to be any good.
----
jaxson hayes arrested and hospitalized after an "altercation with police" last night. i know no details.
   3158. nick swisher hygiene Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:30 PM (#6030995)
3157–I’m thinking Bron, Chris Paul plus a couple tough 6’8” guys who can shoot.
   3159. nick swisher hygiene Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:31 PM (#6030996)
LOL, posting from coffee shop in hospital and somebody just said very clearly “TRUST THE PROCESS”
   3160. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6030998)
Their career numbers are almost literally identical in these two categories: .448/.786 vs .445/.792.


Middleton's a very different player than he was at the beginning of his career. He's .345/.648 the last 3 years, while still putting up good to very good efficiency especially the last two years. Beal has also gotten better at creating his own shot, though more of his shots are assisted even recently.
   3161. mike f Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:36 PM (#6031000)
Should we pick for Thok? I'd like to finish at least the first round. I think most of the other drafters are active on the thread.
   3162. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:37 PM (#6031001)
Who would you guys want repping the US in 3 on 3 ?

trae/haliburton/MPJ/jarrett allen

just try to dominate with the pnr.
   3163. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:40 PM (#6031005)
3157–I’m thinking Bron, Chris Paul plus a couple tough 6’8” guys who can shoot.
that could work.
---
watched a few minutes of USA v IRN. good to see hamed haddadi still out there, slooooowly doing work. at 36, he's still putting up numbers (in china) and gets loads of boards and assists (17.5/13.5/6.2 in 31.8 min).
   3164. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:45 PM (#6031009)
Knowing nothing about the rules for things like shot clock, etc., I think I would go Kawhi, LeBron, KD, and Harden for my 4 man group on 3x3. I think offensive and defensive versatility would be pretty insane, and would be able to absolutely punish any mice in the hise.
   3165. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:46 PM (#6031010)
12 second shot clock, half court (so you have to take missed shots out past the "three point line"), 1s and 2s. fast paced, frequent subs. honestly, a tall 3 point shooter (durant) could wreck shop.
   3166. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:47 PM (#6031012)
Man, Harden, without the need to run back on defense? He would be literally unstoppable.
   3167. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:48 PM (#6031013)
i'm not sure that people who rely on foul drawing are best served here?
   3168. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:49 PM (#6031015)
If it's 1s and 2s, don't you just want Steph, Draymond (or insert screener/passer here) and Klay?
   3169. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:53 PM (#6031016)
i'd emphasize outside shooters and switchable defenders. you want at least one person who can function as a big, in case you run into a bad matchup that way, and have them roll to the hoop a lot. (there's no fouling out either.)
   3170. aberg Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:56 PM (#6031018)
Shout out to Kelsey Plum, the greatest UW women's basketball player of all time, for winning 3x3 gold.
   3171. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 02:57 PM (#6031019)
i'm not sure that people who rely on foul drawing are best served here?

I'm extremely anti-Harden but I think his one on one game would work just fine in a format like this even without the foul drawing.

I also like tship's idea, though: Steph/Draymond/Klay would also be unstoppable.
   3172. aberg Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:03 PM (#6031022)
I also like tship's idea, though: Steph/Draymond/Klay would also be unstoppable.


+1. Add Javale as the backup guy. Draymond can be the ball-handler when Steph takes a break.

Giannis seems like a perfect player for this format. Let's naturalize him just for our 3x3 team.
   3173. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:03 PM (#6031023)
You need four, so Steph/Klay/Dray/Durant is pretty good.
   3174. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:04 PM (#6031025)
You need four, so Steph/Klay/Dray/Durant is pretty good.

Man imagine those guys on the same team in rea
   3175. aberg Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:04 PM (#6031026)
Did the Olympics have a cap spike?
   3176. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:05 PM (#6031027)
i'm not very knowledgeable about the wnba - is plum viewed as a disappointment? she's a nice player but hasn't performed (per bb-ref) like a #1 overall pick.
like watching her play, though - shooting + good decision making.
   3177. aberg Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:22 PM (#6031030)
I have followed her career more than I do the WNBA in general. My perception is that she has struggled to get healthy and has also suffered from being undersized. She is smart and a great shooter, but can't really get the space to get her shots or make passes because she doesn't have standout strength, speed, or wiggle. It makes sense that she would be better in 3x3 where there is inherently more room on the court.
   3178. Harlond Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:25 PM (#6031032)
DCA and JJ1986, I'll do that deal.
   3179. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:30 PM (#6031033)
As soon as I hear back from JJ than it's okay to sub one of my other scrubs for JTA, we can shake. Thanks.
   3180. Harlond Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:34 PM (#6031034)
Should we pick for Thok? I'd like to finish at least the first round. I think most of the other drafters are active on the thread.
I've sent him a site email. Let's give him until 6:00 EST.
   3181. JJ1986 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:35 PM (#6031035)
I'm going to double down on the ask for Toscano-Anderson. You can't let him hold up this deal!
   3182. SteveF Posted: July 28, 2021 at 03:54 PM (#6031037)
I haven't watched 3x3. Is it basically all just variations on spain pnr?
   3183. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 04:34 PM (#6031040)
the big name on the us men's team was ... robbie hummel. (the other 3: f kareem maddox, a 6-8 dude who was all-ivy a decade back; f joey king, a 6-9 shooter from minnesota; and g dominique jones. not the former grizz pick, a 5-9 dude who used to be a globetrotter). no disrespect intended to those four, but that's awful.
the women's team has 4 WNBA players (3 guards (plum, allisha gray, jackie young) and a center (stefanie dolson)), all former first rounders, two former top overall picks, and the center went to 2 all star games earlier in her career. they took leave from their pro teams to do this.
---
i've only watched a little but saw some variation in styles of play. pretty quick in general. one team i watched ran some elaborate weaves to try to open up three point shots, but generally i saw what looked like very purposeful, pickup type plays to set up drives or open jumpers.
   3184. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 04:36 PM (#6031041)
Ok, book it with JTA. Hate to lose him but you're right he can't hold up this deal. Trade announcement:

GSW gets Goalie Halfback, Myles Turner
CHO gets Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, Juan Toscano-Anderson
IND gets PJ Washington, pick 14, GSW 2022 R1

And with that, GSW is done drafting, perhaps until 2023. We still own the rights to someone else's R2 next year, but I can't figure out what all conditions are and whether it is likely to convey.
   3185. jmurph Posted: July 28, 2021 at 04:40 PM (#6031042)
GSW gets Goalie Halfback, Myles Turner

Curry/Klay/Hayward/Draymond/Turner would be a really fantastic starting 5.
   3186. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 04:47 PM (#6031044)
Yeah, I feel like Golden State has to give up one more piece to make that fair, especially since the 2022 pick is so unlikely to be good (which is why I got Philly picks a bit further out). But frankly even if they gave 7, 14, Wiggins, and Wiseman, that would make their core really nice.
   3187. tshipman Posted: July 28, 2021 at 04:54 PM (#6031045)
I dunno ... what are the odds that everyone's healthy there?
   3188. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 28, 2021 at 04:58 PM (#6031046)
Any interest in a Tate-Bol challenge trade?

I'm in, mainly because it's hilarious.

Faxing it to league office now:

HOU (Oriole Tragic) gets Bol Bol
DEN (aberg) gets Jae'Sean Tate
   3189. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:02 PM (#6031047)
I understand that deal for everyone, though I have to say it's truly phenomenal for Indy. PJ is a better fit with Sabonis in my view -- more mobile and a better passer -- plus he has the advantages of being $14M a year cheaper and then an RFA in 2 years, whereas Myles has seemingly indicated he wants out and would leave then if not traded sooner. To add the #14 pick and a future 1st on top of that makes it a huge win for them.
   3190. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:08 PM (#6031048)
agree, dlgm
   3191. spivey 2 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:17 PM (#6031050)
I don't really understand the deal for Charlotte, fwiw. I think Hayward is quite a bit better than Wiggins, even if Wiggins did rehab his value in Golden State. I think to get them to move on from 2 starters, they're the team that should be getting most of the draft compensation.
   3192. Harlond Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6031052)
Thok on the clok.

1. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Cade Cunningham
2. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Evan Mobley
3. Cleveland (jmurph)-Jalen Suggs
4. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Jalen Green
5. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-Scottie Barnes
6. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Josh Giddey
7. Golden State (DCA)-Jonathan Kuminga
8. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-James Bouknight
9. Sacramento (tshipman)-Alperen Sengun
10. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-Usman Garuba
11. Charlotte (JJ1986)-Moses Moody
12. San Antonio (Thok)-
13. Indiana (harlond)-
14. Indiana (harlond)-
15. Washington (spivey2)-
16. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
17. Memphis (Willard)-
18. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
19. Sacramento (tshipman) (trade)-
20. Atlanta (Der-K)-
21. New York (. . . . .)-
22. LA Lakers (Shohei)-
23. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-
24. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-
25. LA Clippers-
26. Denver (aberg)-
27. Brooklyn (Votto)-
28. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-
29. Phoenix (GregF)-
30. Utah-

31. Milwaukee (Ken Griffey)-
32. New York (. . . . .)-
33. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-
34. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
35. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-
36. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
37. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
38. Chicago (asinwreck)-
39. Sacramento (tshipman)-
40. New Orleans (Dandy)-
41. San Antonio (Thok)-
42. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
43. New Orleans (Dandy)-
44. Brooklyn (Votto)-
45. Boston (rr)-
46. Toronto (TFTIO)-
47. Toronto (TFTIO)-
48. Atlanta (Der-K)-
49. Brooklyn-
50. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-
51. Memphis (Willard)-
52. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
53. New Orleans (Dandy)-
54. Indiana (harlond)-
55. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
56. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
57. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
58. New York (. . . . .)-
59. Brooklyn (Votto)-
60. Indiana (harlond)-

Portland (mike f) - no picks
Minnesota (Mellow Mouse) - no picks

Trade 1-GSW gets Delon Wright
SAC gets Kevon Looney, Eric Paschall, 2022 R2

Trade 2-NYK gets DeAaron Fox
SAC gets RJ Barrett, 2021 R1.19

Trade 3-NOP gets #2, #23, #24, Gordon
HOU gets Ingram, #35, Lakers 2022 FRP (top 4 protected)

Trade 4-POR gets: #2, #10, 1st rounders in 2023, 2025, and 2027, + pick 2 of Adams, Gordon, and Bledsoe for salary purposes
NO gets: Lillard, Covington

Trade 5-Toronto trades #4 for#10, Adams, and Portland's 2023 1st and NO's 2025 1st

Trade 6-PHI gets Beal for Ben Simmons, PHI’s 2023 FRP, 2024 first round pick swap, and 2027 FRP “with very light protection”

Trade 7-GSW gets Goalie Halfback, Myles Turner
CHO gets Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, Juan Toscano-Anderson
IND gets PJ Washington, pick 14, GSW 2022 R1

Trade 8-HOU (Oriole Tragic) gets Bol Bol
DEN (aberg) gets Jae'Sean Tate
   3193. JJ1986 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:29 PM (#6031054)
Random thoughts because I'm on my phone:

Wiseman was overdrafted and had a bad season but he still has the kind of potential that is hard for the Hornet to acquire. Hypothetical Wiseman is a great fit with Ball where he can be a rim-runner and big presence in the middle.

I'm also trying to reset the team's timeline to align more with LaMelo. Hayward is not a part of that future (also I don't like him) but Wiggins might be even as a fifth starter who can shoot. He's also on a short contract now.

It's probably overpaying to dump PJ in, but I want to get more minutes for Miles Bridges and Moses Moody and Washington already strikes me as a player I'm going to let walk in two years because he's going to get overpaid.

I have to check my exact capspace but I am still interested in taking on a bad contract with a late first rounder. Maybe Favors or DeAndre Jordan if there's any interest.
   3194. aberg Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:34 PM (#6031056)
I also think that would be a pretty even and rational trade all around if GSW sent one more pick to CHA.
   3195. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:37 PM (#6031057)
GSW draft report. At the cost of 2021/22 picks, Wiggins, Wiseman, and some replacement level dudes, GSW has added 4 good-very good players: Delon Wright, Golden Hamburger, and Myles Turner in trade, and Klay Thompson from the infirmary.

As previously stated, Curry/Klay/Hogworts/Dray/Turner is a great starting five, and Wright can plug in for any of them (and probably will need to, often) and still have it be an entirely workable lineup.

After the top 6, ouch. Jordan Poole has turned himself into a decent J.Crawford-style bench scoring guard, and Damion Lee and Mychal Mulder are non-embarrassing end-of-the rotation wings. But that's it. Mannion and Kuminga probably have futures but are headed for the G-league, where they belong right now, and I'll be waiving Smailagic and Mitten.

It would be nice to be able to keep Oubre if he'll take a bench role behind Klay/Hopscotch that could mean 60 starts, or to S&T him for a rotation-quality combo forward, and then maybe I'll throw the taxpayer MLE at RoLo and round out the rotation with vet minimum guys.

   3196. aberg Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:38 PM (#6031058)
After the top 6, ouch. Jordan Poole has turned himself into a decent J.Crawford-style bench scoring guard, and Damion Lee and Mychal Mulder are non-embarrassing end-of-the rotation wings. But that's it. Mannion and Kuminga probably have futures but are headed for the G-league, where they belong right now, and I'll be waiving Smailagic and Mitten.


That's a roster begging to spend the full midlevel on Jamychal Green.
   3197. Harlond Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:47 PM (#6031063)
harlond, is there potentially an ATL package for SGA that you find appealing?
of note - atlanta has the OKC '22 1st. you might want that back?
I'm pretty set on keeping SGA. Numerous websites ranking the top players under 25 have him in the top 15 and suggest he has All-Star potential. As a UVA fan, I love Hunter and I am interested in Okongwu (and his injury status might not matter), but Hunter is older than SGA and not as far along, and I'm not persuaded he has the same star potential (not to speak ill of my school, but there are plenty of UVA fans who think he's the second coming of Kawhi).
   3198. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:55 PM (#6031065)
fair enough! the advantage of the atlanta options is that you'd get a bunch of them, some of whom could be flipped for picks if you wanted. (also, i have picks.)

i'm coming around on hunter - i've never been a fan but last year he started to look like what people said he'd be coming out of school.
he's not the second coming of kawhi.

reddish is a good buy low opportunity for somebody and i've long thought that huerter was better than his stats (and more like how looked in the playoffs).

i like sga a little less than consensus? but i'd be using him in a three guard lineup with trae and bogdan and that's a lot of passing and shooting. ah well.
   3199. DCA Posted: July 28, 2021 at 05:56 PM (#6031066)
That's a roster begging to spend the full midlevel on Jamychal Green.

Maybe!
   3200. JJ1986 Posted: July 28, 2021 at 06:04 PM (#6031067)
I believe Davion Mitchell is the highest remaining player by both ESPN and Sam Vecenie if we want to make a pick for SA.
Page 32 of 50 pages ‹ First  < 30 31 32 33 34 >  Last ›

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
1k5v3L
for his generous support.

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogThe fans' way at Fenway: loud, louder, loudest
(56 - 6:03pm, Oct 22)
Last: Infinite Yost (Voxter)

NewsblogIt’s time for the city of Chicago to repeal the Wrigley Field night game ordinance
(27 - 6:01pm, Oct 22)
Last: Infinite Yost (Voxter)

NewsblogYankees GM Brian Cashman says club will 'address' shortstop and 'evaluate' catcher positions
(13 - 6:00pm, Oct 22)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogNBA 2021-2022 Season Thread
(275 - 5:57pm, Oct 22)
Last: Booey

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-22-2021
(5 - 5:46pm, Oct 22)
Last: vortex of dissipation

Sox TherapyThe Boston Red Sox Will Play for the Pennant
(192 - 5:28pm, Oct 22)
Last: pikepredator

NewsblogCarlton Fisk kept it fair, but Keith Olbermann’s attempt to sell historic ball is foul
(38 - 5:25pm, Oct 22)
Last: Mayor Blomberg

NewsblogOT Soccer Thread - Transfer! Kits! Other Stuff!
(459 - 5:14pm, Oct 22)
Last: AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale

Newsblog2021 LCS OMNICHATTER!
(595 - 2:06pm, Oct 22)
Last: Howie Menckel

NewsblogDodgers Albert Pujols Hits the COVID-19 Injured List
(223 - 12:28pm, Oct 22)
Last: 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-21-2021
(15 - 10:28am, Oct 22)
Last: SandyRiver

NewsblogNew MLB CBA should include amnesty clause
(18 - 8:22am, Oct 22)
Last: Joyful Calculus Instructor

NewsblogBaseball Games Are Still Too Long—and Getting Longer
(110 - 5:52am, Oct 22)
Last: McCoy

NewsblogMLB Just Tried a Bunch of Experimental Rules in the Minors. How Well Did They Work?
(8 - 11:41pm, Oct 21)
Last: Doug Jones threw harder than me

NewsblogWhere Mets may turn next as Sandy Alderson’s role in search comes into question
(2 - 8:36pm, Oct 21)
Last: Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb

Page rendered in 0.5608 seconds
48 querie(s) executed