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NBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread

I estimate there are maybe 10-12 Primates left on this site, and they all post in the NBA thread.

Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:07 PM | 4930 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   3401. Harlond Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:36 PM (#6031439)
Thok, I will do it after the Washington pick.
   3402. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:37 PM (#6031440)
Yes, can we get an updated list?
   3403. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:40 PM (#6031441)
Toronto will take David Johnson, SG from Louisville at 40.
   3404. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6031442)
[3394]: oh, we did:
1451. jmurph Posted: November 20, 2020 at 06:46 PM (#5990242)
There’s absolutely no need to give a Plumlee three years a few minutes after free agency opens. There’s like 50 free agent bigs.
1454. aberg Posted: November 20, 2020 at 06:53 PM (#5990246)
Detroit, who is still paying Blake 35m, just drafted Isaiah Stewart, and says it wants to bring back Christian Wood, signing a Plumlee makes me think they don't agree with the "most teams are better with one big on the court" philosophy.
1456. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: November 20, 2020 at 06:53 PM (#5990249)
I take back all the good things I said about Detroit's draft.
1457. jmurph Posted: November 20, 2020 at 07:04 PM (#5990254)
Oh Detroit. Oh.
1458. jmurph Posted: November 20, 2020 at 07:05 PM (#5990256)
Anytime you can get two backup centers locked up to multi year deals an hour into free agency you have to do it.
1461. tshipman Posted: November 20, 2020 at 07:08 PM (#5990260)
Mason Plumlee has a Rasputin-like mind meld with NBA front offices. How is it possible that he has gotten three multi year, multi million deals?
1463. tshipman Posted: November 20, 2020 at 07:11 PM (#5990264)
Hot take: Mason Plumlee getting paid by Detroit will be the best transaction that Denver makes this offseason.
1465. Fourth True Outcome Posted: November 20, 2020 at 07:11 PM (#5990266)
Just when we thought Detroit had a clue, there they go. Gotta get a grip of mediocre bigs to round out the rotation!
1478. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: November 20, 2020 at 07:30 PM (#5990281)
Pistons being bad in very confusing ways has been going on for a long time.
But this is Weaver's first year as GM! It was supposed to be a new hope, but it looks like the old Empire is striking back.

I'm mad about this, and I'm not even a Pistons fan or anything.
1503. jmurph Posted: November 20, 2020 at 08:41 PM (#5990318)
I realize Dwight isn’t going to Detroit so it’s not a perfect comparison, but him on the vet minimum vs what Detroit did tonight is really something.
   3405. Voodoo Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:42 PM (#6031443)

GSW had a nice draft as well. Kuminga was not supposed to be there at 7, and I had them mocked to pick Moody with that pick (who they ended up getting with 14).


Definitely.There was buzz that they may package those picks to move up, but both picks ended up giving them value (at least against the projections)
   3406. jmurph Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:43 PM (#6031444)
Ummm houston is trading two future firsts for #16?
   3407. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:43 PM (#6031445)
why is kendrick perkins?
   3408. jmurph Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:44 PM (#6031446)
Thank you for 3404 stiggles! Always nice to see myself on the right side of history, it’s rare.
   3409. SteveF Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:45 PM (#6031447)
why is kendrick perkins?

Imagine him dressed in motley.
   3410. Voodoo Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:47 PM (#6031448)
Corey Kispert is a Joe Harris clone, hopefully he doesn't chuck bricks in the clutch like Joe did this season (honestly Corey did chuck bricks, in the Final Four this year)...
   3411. spivey 2 Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:47 PM (#6031449)
Like Golden States draft and like OKC taking Sengun. Swing big with the assets they have.
   3412. Harlond Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:49 PM (#6031450)
Thok on the clock.

1. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Cade Cunningham
2. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Evan Mobley
3. Cleveland (jmurph)-Jalen Suggs
4. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Jalen Green
5. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-Scottie Barnes
6. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Josh Giddey
7. Golden State (DCA)-Jonathan Kuminga
8. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-James Bouknight
9. Sacramento (tshipman)-Alperen Sengun
10. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-Usman Garuba
11. Charlotte (JJ1986)-Moses Moody
12. San Antonio (Thok)-Davion Mitchell
13. Indiana (harlond)-Franz Wagner
14. Indiana (harlond)-Keon Johnson
15. Washington (spivey2)-Trey Murphy III
16. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Ziaire Williams
17. Memphis (Willard)-Chris Duarte
18. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Jaden Springer
19. Sacramento (tshipman) (trade)-Jalen Johnson
20. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-Corey Kispert
21. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Jared Butler
22. LA Lakers (Shohei)-Cameron Thomas
23. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Isaiah Jackson
24. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Kessler Edwards
25. LA Clippers (DCA)-Kai Jones
26. Oklahoma City (harlond) (trade)-Joshua Primo
27. Brooklyn (Votto)-Ayo Dosunmu
28. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-Miles McBride
29. Phoenix (GregF)-Sharife Cooper
30. Charlotte (JJ1986) (trade)-JT Thor

31. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Bones Hyland
32. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Joe Weiskamp
33. Chicago (asinwreck) (trade)-Rokas Jokubaitas
34. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Day’Ron Sharpe
35. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Aaron Henry
36. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Quentin Grimes
37. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Herbert Jones
38. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade)-BJ Boston
39. Sacramento (tshipman)-Tre Mann
40. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-David Johnson
41. San Antonio (Thok)-
42. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
43. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-
44. Brooklyn (Votto)-
45. Boston (rr)-
46. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-
47. Toronto (TFTIO)-
48. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-
49. Brooklyn-
50. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-
51. Memphis (Willard)-
52. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
53. New Orleans (Dandy)-
54. Indiana (harlond)-
55. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
56. Utah-
57. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
58. New York (. . . . .)-
59. Brooklyn (Votto)-
60. Indiana (harlond)-

Portland (mike f) - no picks
Minnesota (Mellow Mouse) - no picks

Trade 1-GSW gets Delon Wright
SAC gets Kevon Looney, Eric Paschall, 2022 R2

Trade 2-NYK gets DeAaron Fox
SAC gets RJ Barrett, 2021 R1.19

Trade 3-NOP gets #2, #23, #24, Gordon
HOU gets Ingram, #35, Lakers 2022 FRP (top 4 protected)

Trade 4-POR gets: #2, #10, 1st rounders in 2023, 2025, and 2027, + pick 2 of Adams, Gordon, and Bledsoe for salary purposes
NO gets: Lillard, Covington

Trade 5-Toronto trades #4 for#10, Adams, and Portland's 2023 1st and NO's 2025 1st

Trade 6-PHI gets Beal for Ben Simmons, PHI’s 2023 FRP, 2024 first round pick swap, and 2027 FRP “with very light protection”

Trade 7-GSW gets Goalie Halfback, Myles Turner
CHO gets Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, Juan Toscano-Anderson
IND gets PJ Washington, pick 14, GSW 2022 R1

Trade 8-HOU (Oriole Tragic) gets Bol Bol
DEN (aberg) gets Jae'Sean Tate

Trade 9-Atlanta gets picks 21 and 32
New York gets picks 20 and 48

Trade 10-DEN gets picks 34 and 36
OKC gets pick 26

Trade 11-TOR gets #40 and NOP 2022 2nd rounder
NOP gets #46 and Boucher

Trade 12-CHA gets #30 and Favors
UTA gets #56

Trade 13-MIL gets Jared Butler
ATL gets 31, 2nds in 23, 24, 27 and the 2nd from IND in ’25

Trade 14-HOU gets: #43 + #46
NOP gets: #35
   3413. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:50 PM (#6031452)
As the only Pistons fan:

1 - Thought the Plumlee signing didn't make sense at the time

2 - Learned to not care because he was semi-useful throughout the year, and really 8M a year isn't the hugest deal and someone has to play center

3 - I have to take back 2 now, because fine if you want to over-pay a bit for Plumlee, whatever, not like anyone else was coming here. But if you NEED THAT CAP SPACE then you shouldn't have signed him to begin with

Oh well! if Isaiah Stewart is some monster steal they got at pick 16 then this won't ultimately matter. Unless of course Draymond 2021 is pick 37 this year.
   3414. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:51 PM (#6031453)
BTW Der-K I knew that Hyland would not make it down to 45, but in looking at stuff, he caught my eye. I think that was a good choice.
   3415. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:53 PM (#6031454)
Kendrick is an embarrassment. ESPN should not employ him - what does he bring to the table?
———
I’m not really a Hyland fan? but I can’t ignore his ceiling.
   3416. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:54 PM (#6031455)
BTW Der-K I knew that Hyland would not make it down to 45, but in looking at stuff, he caught my eye. I think that was a good choice.
counterpoint:
he's 125 lbs.
   3417. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:55 PM (#6031456)
They don't nickname fat guys "Bones."
   3418. spivey 2 Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:57 PM (#6031457)
Every stat model loves Sengun. Pelton’s algorithm had him 1.
   3419. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:57 PM (#6031458)
Kendrick is an embarrassment. ESPN should not employ him - what does he bring to the table?

veteranosity.
grit.
hustle.
toughness.
he's a glue guy in the locker room.
quotes zoolander all of the time.


i don't even hate that he's employed by ESPN, but why is he at the draft? he's literally on here refusing to say players' names because they're foreign, and then calling people "christian woods".
   3420. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:58 PM (#6031459)
They don't nickname fat guys "Bones."
tell that to flesh. and wish.
   3421. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:58 PM (#6031460)
I’m not really a Hyland fan? but I can’t ignore his ceiling.


Yeah, he looked like a high-ceiling guy to me as well, but I am not a draftnik..as BTF Boston fans will find out in about 10 minutes.
   3422. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:59 PM (#6031461)
On Pelton model/Sengun:
By a mile. The gap between 1 and 2 was bigger than that between 2 and 17… and that’s including the blending with player ranking (so not just stats).
   3423. Thok Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:00 PM (#6031462)
At 41, the Spurs take Jeremiah Robinson-Earl from Villanova. They can use something inside, and he seems like a versatile defender.
   3424. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:00 PM (#6031463)
Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42
The Knicks are going to get 2 players that would have been in the lottery last year. No need to trade up when they fall on your lap.
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
The Knicks are trading the 19th pick to Charlotte for a future first-round pick, source tells ESPN.

   3425. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:02 PM (#6031464)
Kristian Winfield @Krisplashed
Cade Cunningham on why he went vegan: "I think bigger than anything, I just wanted to try something new for my body and see how my body reacted to it." Cade said he did after traveling to Greece with Team USA and eating McDonalds burgers for 2 weeks straight.

anyone else remember when joel embiid started eating vegetables in the 2nd round of the 2019 playoffs and then couldn't stop shitting all over himself?
   3426. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:06 PM (#6031465)
It’s funny that Atlanta takes Jalen Johnson a few years after picking a kind of similar profile in Reddish (not necessarily the skill sets but as Duke guys considered question marks)
   3427. JJ1986 Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:07 PM (#6031466)
I wouldn't trade up to pick a center, but Kai Jones is rocking that suit.
   3428. tshipman Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6031467)
Well, Tre Mann went 21 slots higher in the real draft than the fake draft.

Josh Primo went about 14 slots higher.

We were *significantly* higher on Garuba and Sengun than the real NBA.
   3429. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6031468)
At 42 Fake Pistons take Santi Aldama.
   3430. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#6031469)
I was looking at Boston stuff; Forsberg made a huge deal about Garuba.
   3431. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:14 PM (#6031470)
i'm beginning to doubt that a ben simmons deal is getting done tonight.,...
   3432. SteveF Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:14 PM (#6031471)
That buyout number is becoming an issue for Garuba, right? NBA teams are limited to 725K this year, the rest comes out of the player's check.
   3433. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:19 PM (#6031473)
HOU selects Bassey at #43.

#19 on Pelton's list.
   3434. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:23 PM (#6031474)
Josh Newman @Joshua_Newman
The Knicks got Spike out to Brooklyn, wearing his best orange, just to trade both picks? That ain't right.

Tom Ziller @teamziller
Top 4 most bonkers Kings draft moments of the last decade:
4. The Stauskas war room "Nik rocks!" hilarious tragicomedy
3. Trading down for Jimmer and a John Salmons comeback
2. PAPAGIANNIS
1. Passing on Luka
   3435. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:25 PM (#6031476)
Kai’s suit was great
—-
That Garuba number will be negotiated down but we’re getting to a point where I worry it might be a problem. Th escalator clause in it doesn’t help.
   3436. tshipman Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:26 PM (#6031477)
I have no idea why teams are taking all these bigs over Garuba.
   3437. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:30 PM (#6031478)
Real life trade:
To IND 22 (Jackson)
To WAS 31 + Aaron holiday
   3438. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:33 PM (#6031479)
I thought (well, hoped) Kai Jones would fall farther in our draft.
   3439. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:36 PM (#6031480)
Hope Votto is awake..ha.
   3440. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:38 PM (#6031481)
"i'm just reading it"
   3441. JJ1986 Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:41 PM (#6031482)
Christopher is a guy I thought would go much higher in our mock than he did.
   3442. tshipman Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:45 PM (#6031483)
Christopher is a guy I thought would go much higher in our mock than he did.


I think he's the first guy who hasn't been picked yet?
   3443. aberg Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:57 PM (#6031485)
Looks like I'm done with the draft phase of Denver's off-season. Here's my thinking. We bring back the core of Jokic, MPJ, Gordon, and will get Murray back at some point. With Campazzo and Morris under contract, I wasn't panicked about bridging the gap to Murray's return. The rest of the roster was Cancar and Dozier on non guaranteed deals and Bol Bol.

Top priority is bringing back Will Barton. He's not a world beater, but he's solid, fits the team, and he's way better than whatever else the capped out team could get. By my calculations, we would have about $26m to spend, minus draft pick money.

In the draft, my priority was to get wings who could get on the court but still have room to grow. First, I got Tate by trading Bol without losing money and he will play. I took Sharpe because he has defensive potential and won't have to do much soon behind Jokic. Grimes can shoot and defend and doesn't need to create much on this roster. He can fill the role Austin Rivers had last year.

With about $24m, I'm hoping that's enough to bring back Barton on a 2-3 year deal, Millsap for one, and a vet pg and c on the minimum. Maybe 16 for Barton, 4 for Millsap, and the rest on filler.
   3444. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:04 PM (#6031487)
jaden springer, tennessee:

fringe burst
he's tough
below the rim athlete
plays just a little faster than late-career andre miller.
one-move ballhandler.
he has the tempo to be a good pnr ballhandler, but he doesn't have experience at it, and i'm not sure he has the courtvision for it, either.

i don't buy him as a scorer. he seems to play a little too slow to be able to do it at an NBA level.

he would not be on my draft board.
welcome to philadelphia
   3445. SteveF Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:05 PM (#6031488)
I actually thought the real Sixers might take McBride for a second there.
   3446. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:06 PM (#6031489)
I actually thought the real Sixers might take McBride for a second there.
personally, i would have taken dosunmu.
   3447. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:07 PM (#6031490)
Ok thread I need to take off soon so will leave two guys since Votto/Brooklyn are on the clock:

1. Jason Preston, PG, Ohio U. He is showing up in a lot of Boston stuff, and Chris Forsberg has a big showy Tweet up about him. Good news is that he stuffs the stat sheet and can shoot, has decent size. At 22 with a big NCAA upset win under his belt probably a plug-and-play. Bad news is that his comp on NBADraft.net is Luke Ridnour. Vibe on Boston is that they are worried about PG depth, there are rumors about Beal wanting to play with Tatum and Smart would be in that deal. Looking at Boston on BaskRef, they had a 39-33 PYTH and were sort of middle of the pack in everything, except AST--25. Preston can pass and hit 39% on 3s. I see him as a rotation PG.
2. Josh Christopher, SG, Arizona State. He reads like nothing special to me, but a real team just took him at 24, and his comp is Norman Powell, a nice player.
   3448. SteveF Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:09 PM (#6031491)
I'm starting to feel bad for Perk.
   3449. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:17 PM (#6031493)
I'm starting to feel bad for Perk.
he made 58MM in his NBA career. save your feelings.
   3450. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:18 PM (#6031494)
My first impression is that Russell Westbrook is not a guy a team can win with when he is playing a prominent role and that he's not a good fit with the Lakers. He does do somethings well and he's still a freak athlete with a high motoer. Maybe if he could stop shooting so many threes or mid ranges, you could see a player who is more efficient but he's never been able to do that. Recently, he's also become a mediocre free throw shooter and I do believe he has not been as good finishing around the rim either the last few years.

I am sure they ran this by LBJ/AD and they deserve the benefit of the doubt, and I have certainly been really wrong about stuff before (see my previous stance on Curry being very overrated), but this seems like an awful deal to me and that's me acknowledging that the Lakers didn't give up all that much considering the struggles of Harrell/Kuzma/KCP.

I think the Lakers are banking on doing some sort of sign and trade with Schroeder.

I think LBJ wants to cut back on the amount of playmaking he has to do at this stage of his career.

Don't love it.
   3451. JJ1986 Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:11 AM (#6031510)
Kendrick Perkins thinks all of these picks in the 40s are going to be rotation regulars next year.
   3452. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:33 AM (#6031513)
I think LBJ wants to cut back on the amount of playmaking he has to do at this stage of his career.


I think all of this must be coming from LBJ, right? Like, Rob Pelinka surely knows that you surround LeBron with shooters.

Kendrick Perkins thinks all of these picks in the 40s are going to be rotation regulars next year.


See, the hilarious thing is that the majority of the criticism he got was over comparing Kuminga to Jordan Bell.
   3453. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:34 AM (#6031514)
I think all of this must be coming from LBJ, right? Like, Rob Pelinka surely knows that you surround LeBron with shooters.
rajon rondo.
   3454. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 30, 2021 at 01:48 AM (#6031518)
Back from being out; it looks like Votto is asleep. Ha. This will be one of my long meandering posts about a big Lakers event, so skip it if that will bore you.

When the Clippers pulled off the George/Leonard thing, Lowe wrote a piece about it basically saying that “stars want to play with other stars.” They mostly don’t care much about your great cap sheet, your cool Eurostash guy, your sabermetric data, or your awesome high value 2nd round guy. So I expect that James’ reaction to this when consulted was more or less, “Get Russ on the damn team.”

I am not worried about chemistry/bickering stuff. James is James, and Westbrook has a MVP, a Gold Medal, and a shitton of money and more on the way (Westbrook will be the highest-paid guy on the squad). The only NBA thing that he doesn’t have is a ring, and chasing one in his hometown in a Lakers uniform with the definitive player and personality of the NBA in the 21st century would seem to be a big draw. Also, Pelinka and Vogel seem to be pretty good at managing egos. One funny thing about it is that it was Magic who got Rondo, based on the idea that you need a playmaker to “take pressure off LeBron” and they have steadily invested more money in that idea—Rondo, Schroder, Westbrook. This is somewhat similar to Davis feeling more comfortable if they have a guy like Drummond or Howard around to play the 5. If it helps LeBron and AD to feel better, then you sort of go with it.

So my issues with it are typical and pedestrian. Westbrook will be 33 in November, he is not that good anymore, and he can’t shoot. OTOH, if he is your third-best guy, then you are probably in pretty good shape.

I think this locks in that Caruso will stay, and I think that he will probably start. I think Pelinka will bring back Drummond, or maybe try to do a second go-round with McGee or Howard. So, one key will be what if anything Pelinka can do to add shooting on the cheap. Pelinka does not strike me as being super creative, but he does strike me as being diligent and as understanding the basic stuff that he needs to understand, so I am sure that he knows all this.

On another note, I got several texts and emails from people I know today about it; these folks are fans but are not like the fans on here. They know basketball, but they are mostly not sabernerds, and they are all pretty excited about Westbrook. This could go bad on the Lakers very easily, but they will be, to use a hackneyed but apt phrase, must-see TV. As a Lakers fan, I kind of like that.
   3455. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 30, 2021 at 01:53 AM (#6031519)
What does it mean for keeping THT?
   3456. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 30, 2021 at 02:02 AM (#6031520)
3455

He is restricted, so they can match. Many people seem to like THT, but he only hit .282 from the arc. KCP was at .410 and Caruso was at .401 last year, but those were both outliers.

I think that Caruso will get something like 3/36 and that he will start. I am sure it will strike me an overpay. I am not a big fan, in part because part of the fanbase fawns over him as the likable goofy white guy, but he makes sense on this team. He doesn't need the ball; he hustles on D, etc. Sort of like Kurt Rambis on the Showtime squads.
   3457. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 02:12 AM (#6031521)
@RR:

I think what you mean to say in 3454 is LLLLLLLLAKERS
   3458. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 30, 2021 at 02:16 AM (#6031522)
Pelinka signed Joel Ayayi and Austin Reaves, two possible plug-and-play bench wing guys from Gonzaga and Oklahoma, respectively, who went undrafted, to two-ways, right after the draft. Neither may be good enough to play in the NBA of course, but like I said, Pelinka gets the basics, and he seems to plan ahead.
   3459. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 30, 2021 at 02:18 AM (#6031523)
I think what you mean to say in 3454 is LLLLLLLLAKERS


Naw. I save that for postseason, but I am wearing the hairpiece and the big medallion right now.
   3460. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 30, 2021 at 05:33 AM (#6031524)
Tht: I was thinking more like, what does this do to the chances that they will sign and trade him versus keep
him around? Now need more perimeter shooting…(BYC complicates this)
   3461. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: July 30, 2021 at 07:44 AM (#6031530)
BROOKLYN TAKES MOSES WRIGHT, GEORGIA TECH. An older big man who can get a few minutes as an interior presence.

1. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Cade Cunningham
2. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Evan Mobley
3. Cleveland (jmurph)-Jalen Suggs
4. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Jalen Green
5. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-Scottie Barnes
6. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Josh Giddey
7. Golden State (DCA)-Jonathan Kuminga
8. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-James Bouknight
9. Sacramento (tshipman)-Alperen Sengun
10. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-Usman Garuba
11. Charlotte (JJ1986)-Moses Moody
12. San Antonio (Thok)-Davion Mitchell
13. Indiana (harlond)-Franz Wagner
14. Indiana (harlond)-Keon Johnson
15. Washington (spivey2)-Trey Murphy III
16. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Ziaire Williams
17. Memphis (Willard)-Chris Duarte
18. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Jaden Springer
19. Sacramento (tshipman) (trade)-Jalen Johnson
20. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-Corey Kispert
21. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Jared Butler
22. LA Lakers (Shohei)-Cameron Thomas
23. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Isaiah Jackson
24. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Kessler Edwards
25. LA Clippers (DCA)-Kai Jones
26. Oklahoma City (harlond) (trade)-Joshua Primo
27. Brooklyn (Votto)-Ayo Dosunmu
28. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-Miles McBride
29. Phoenix (GregF)-Sharife Cooper
30. Charlotte (JJ1986) (trade)-JT Thor

31. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Bones Hyland
32. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Joe Weiskamp
33. Chicago (asinwreck) (trade)-Rokas Jokubaitas
34. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Day’Ron Sharpe
35. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Aaron Henry
36. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Quentin Grimes
37. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Herbert Jones
38. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade)-BJ Boston
39. Sacramento (tshipman)-Tre Mann
40. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-David Johnson
41. San Antonio (Thok)- Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
42. Detroit (Crosseyed)- Santi Aldama
43. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)- Charles Bassey, WKU
44. Brooklyn (Votto)- MOSES WRIGHT, GEORGIA TECH
45. Boston (rr)-
46. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-
47. Toronto (TFTIO)-
48. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-
49. Brooklyn-
50. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-
51. Memphis (Willard)-
52. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
53. New Orleans (Dandy)-
54. Indiana (harlond)-
55. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
56. Utah-
57. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
58. New York (. . . . .)-
59. Brooklyn (Votto)-
60. Indiana (harlond)-

Portland (mike f) - no picks
Minnesota (Mellow Mouse) - no picks

Trade 1-GSW gets Delon Wright
SAC gets Kevon Looney, Eric Paschall, 2022 R2

Trade 2-NYK gets DeAaron Fox
SAC gets RJ Barrett, 2021 R1.19

Trade 3-NOP gets #2, #23, #24, Gordon
HOU gets Ingram, #35, Lakers 2022 FRP (top 4 protected)

Trade 4-POR gets: #2, #10, 1st rounders in 2023, 2025, and 2027, + pick 2 of Adams, Gordon, and Bledsoe for salary purposes
NO gets: Lillard, Covington

Trade 5-Toronto trades #4 for#10, Adams, and Portland's 2023 1st and NO's 2025 1st

Trade 6-PHI gets Beal for Ben Simmons, PHI’s 2023 FRP, 2024 first round pick swap, and 2027 FRP “with very light protection”

Trade 7-GSW gets Goalie Halfback, Myles Turner
CHO gets Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, Juan Toscano-Anderson
IND gets PJ Washington, pick 14, GSW 2022 R1

Trade 8-HOU (Oriole Tragic) gets Bol Bol
DEN (aberg) gets Jae'Sean Tate

Trade 9-Atlanta gets picks 21 and 32
New York gets picks 20 and 48

Trade 10-DEN gets picks 34 and 36
OKC gets pick 26

Trade 11-TOR gets #40 and NOP 2022 2nd rounder
NOP gets #46 and Boucher

Trade 12-CHA gets #30 and Favors
UTA gets #56

Trade 13-MIL gets Jared Butler
ATL gets 31, 2nds in 23, 24, 27 and the 2nd from IND in ’25

Trade 14-HOU gets: #43 + #46
NOP gets: #35
   3462. Harlond Posted: July 30, 2021 at 08:26 AM (#6031539)
I don't know if we're going to finish this, but based on rr's message 3447, with the 45th pick Boston takes Jason Preston. Oriole Tragic would be on the clock if we're continuing.
   3463. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: July 30, 2021 at 10:38 AM (#6031559)
I like the Hornets picking Bouknight. Ball and Rozier is a nice little backcourt, and Devonte Graham puts up numbers but should probably stay outside the arc at this point, he is awful from 2-point range.

Picking up Plumlee continues their tradition of playing big men who are below-average/above replacement (Biyombo, the other Plumlee, washed up Hibbert, Kaminsky). Zeller has been better than that, but is definitely no star. Mason Plumlee is overpaid, but he's playable. Plus, do I really have this right--Detroit traded Plumlee and #37 to move down to #57???

Malik Monk is a free agent, so the Hornets rotation next year looks something like:
Guards: Devonte Graham, Terry Rozier, LaMelo
Wings: Miles Bridges, Bouknight (2nd rounder JT Thor)
Bigs: Tyler Zeller, PJ Washington, Mason Plumlee


   3464. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: July 30, 2021 at 10:58 AM (#6031568)
it's weird that detroit chose to do that, yeah. not that mason shouldn't have negative value but what does detroit need with cap space?

i figured monk isn't getting a qo. graham is interesting ... does (real) charlotte want to pay as much as he might get for a sixth man?
real charlotte has garbled halebopp as well.
   3465. jmurph Posted: July 30, 2021 at 11:01 AM (#6031572)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
The Utah Jazz have agreed to trade C Derrick Favors and a future first-round pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder for a future second-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Jazz create some financial flexibility and Thunder grab another first-rounder.

   3466. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 30, 2021 at 11:26 AM (#6031580)
How many draft picks does a team need?
   3467. aberg Posted: July 30, 2021 at 11:35 AM (#6031581)
if he is your third-best guy, then you are probably in pretty good shape.


Not saying you're wrong, but this is the part of the Russ trade I wonder about. does he have a "third-best guy" gear? Typically, that would mean pounding the rock less and taking fewer low-percentage threes and long-twos. Is there a version of Russ that doesn't do those things, or is that just an inherent part of who he is as a player? We know he isn't a shooter, and he has mostly stood and watched when other guys initiate offense rather than cutting or getting involved off-ball. If he can adapt to be part of a team offense led by Lebron, his talent will make up for fit. If he ends up taking a bunch of long jumpers that could've been turned into higher percentage shots for Lebron or Davis, he'll be a negative. I'm not too worried about the defense. He can lock in at times. He's physical. His flaw is that he gambles too much or gets disengaged. The Lakers have a back line that can help cover up for the gambling and he should be engaged when it matters most in the playoffs.
   3468. aberg Posted: July 30, 2021 at 11:36 AM (#6031582)
I would vote that we try to finish the draft. It's fun to look back on these a few years later. Even if we have to plug in BPA for a few of them, let's get it done.

Does anyone have a spare hour to put the old drafts in a google sheet and share the link? That would be a fun artifact. I'd do it, but pretty booked today.
   3469. jmurph Posted: July 30, 2021 at 11:38 AM (#6031583)
How many draft picks does a team need?

Easier said than done, but I think the idea is they hit on 2 or 3, and then use the others to trade for additional players to fill in around the stars that they draft and develop.
   3470. spivey 2 Posted: July 30, 2021 at 11:40 AM (#6031585)
This seems like a good draft to have tried to consolidate. Maybe they did try and just couldn't. And well, they did trade 34 and 36 for 32, which won't matter, but, you know, isn't great value.
   3471. spivey 2 Posted: July 30, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6031586)
I thought KCP and Caruso's perimeter defense was a big part of what made the Lakers successful as a unit. Westbrook is very streaky, but he still has had streaks the last couple of years where he's been very good. I guess you're hoping you get some of that. I dunno, I pretty much agree with Pelton's write up. He gave Washington an A, and the Lakers a D.

Westbrook can win you a game or two, even in the playoffs. It's just a question of if he loses 2 for every 1 he wins you.
   3472. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 11:58 AM (#6031588)
I thought KCP and Caruso's perimeter defense was a big part of what made the Lakers successful as a unit. Westbrook is very streaky, but he still has had streaks the last couple of years where he's been very good. I guess you're hoping you get some of that. I dunno, I pretty much agree with Pelton's write up. He gave Washington an A, and the Lakers a D.


Yeah. The big issue that I have with the deal is that the Lakers are paying for this hypothetical third option Westbrook who fits their team construction by providing additional rebounding and playmaking while not shooting them out of games.

Maybe that Westbrook exists. He kind of showed that with Houston for half a year. But the Lakers are assuming all the risk that this theoretical player is going to show up instead of the actual Westbrook.
   3473. jmurph Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:10 PM (#6031590)
Colangelo explained what happened with Kevin Love, who was controversially invited to a spot on the roster earlier this month. Love played poorly in two exhibition games and withdrew, citing an injury.

"I didn't think Kevin Love was going to play. I wasn't even sure he had much left to play," Colangelo said. "He reached out to us and said he was in shape and said he felt he owed us. And on the basis of that, we're looking at someone with international experience who at one time was a heck of a rebounder and could still shoot the ball. You know, being like a 12th man on a roster.

"Well, it didn't work out. He wasn't in shape. And he was way behind as it turned out. So you move on. Call it a mistake. Call it giving someone an opportunity. Someone who had equity with us."

Colangelo also addressed why Trae Young, who was coming off a strong season and was openly campaigning for a roster spot was not selected as a replacement when Bradley Beal left after testing positive for COVID-19.

"I'm happy that he wants to play for USA Basketball," Colangelo said. "He's done really well in the NBA. But predicated on what we felt we needed, he didn't fit the bill this time around. He's a young player, he has a future with USA Basketball, but it was the opinion of our staff that it wasn't now. It's for others to make the declaration you made a mistake'."


This seems like a very dumb process.
   3474. jmurph Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:11 PM (#6031591)
Quote above is from this.
   3475. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:14 PM (#6031593)
one, but I think the idea is they hit on 2 or 3, and then use the others to trade for additional players to fill in around the stars that they draft and develop.

There is only one ball, and 240 minutes of playing time in a game. Guys can only develop so much without playing time.
   3476. aberg Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:34 PM (#6031602)
There is only one ball, and 240 minutes of playing time in a game. Guys can only develop so much without playing time.


Unless you count G League, then there are 480 minutes, and roughly 2 balls.
   3477. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:41 PM (#6031613)
Unless you count G League, then there are 480 minutes, and roughly 2 balls.
every MVP since the gleague was begun:

Season                Player
2020
-21            Paul Reed
2019
-20      Frank Mason III
2018
-19        Chris Boucher
2017
-18        Lorenzo Brown
2016
-17          Vander Blue
2015
-16       Jarnell Stokes
2014
-15          Tim Frazier
2013
-14   Othyus Jeffers (T)
2013-14       Ron Howard (T)
2012-13     Andrew Goudelock
2011
-12       Justin Dentmon
2010
-11       Curtis Stinson
2009
-10          Mike Harris
2008
-09        Courtney Sims
2007
-08         Kasib Powell
2006
-07     Randy Livingston
2005
-06         Marcus Fizer
2004
-05         Matt Carroll
2003
-04         Tierre Brown
2002
-03          Devin Brown
2001
-02           Ansu Sesay 

   3478. JJ1986 Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6031615)
I cannot believe Colangelo is still involved with USA basketball but I think he's out in a matter of weeks.
   3479. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 30, 2021 at 12:53 PM (#6031621)
How many draft picks does a team need?
you would be surprised.
Easier said than done, but I think the idea is they hit on 2 or 3, and then use the others to trade for additional players to fill in around the stars that they draft and develop
sign gorskghjng haygbnoslgujf
I cannot believe Colangelo is still involved with USA basketball but I think he's out in a matter of weeks.
is he in hospice?
   3480. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 30, 2021 at 01:10 PM (#6031628)
fun fact:
Before joining the Sixers as president of basketball operations in 2020, Morey’s last first-round selection was Sam Dekker at No. 18 in the 2015 draft
   3481. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 01:29 PM (#6031630)

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
13h
Clippers are acquiring Boston in a deal, per source.


Ballmer finally really flexing his wealth.
   3482. jmurph Posted: July 30, 2021 at 01:34 PM (#6031631)
Wow. Like the whole city, or just the Celtics?
   3483. Mike A Posted: July 30, 2021 at 01:39 PM (#6031632)
But predicated on what we felt we needed, (Trae) didn't fit the bill this time around.
A team with no true playmaker needed Keldon Johnson instead? Did he say this with a straight face?

And the Kevin Love story is just weird: 'Oh, Kevin wanted to play, so we gave him a spot sight unseen.' I mean, really?
   3484. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 01:47 PM (#6031636)
I think the Kevin Love story is incredibly normal, but it's shitty to throw him under the bus like that.
   3485. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 01:53 PM (#6031639)
If this actually happens, then the trade may work out:

About two weeks ago, Russell Westbrook went to LeBron James’ home and together they and Anthony Davis had a conversation about the All-Star guard joining James and Davis on the Lakers.

They talked about putting their egos aside and playing as one in their quest to bring the Lakers another NBA championship. Westbrook talked about how his only intention was winning and coming back home to Los Angeles to become a champion.

James and Davis talked about the two of them changing positions if that was best for the team - James moving from small forward to power forward and Davis from power forward to center. Westbrook let James and Davis know he doesn’t mind playing off the ball when James initiates the offense, something he did while playing alongside James Harden with the Houston Rockets.

   3486. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 30, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6031642)
I'm down to finish the draft.

Edit: At #46, HOU selects Queta (Utah State).
   3487. Mike A Posted: July 30, 2021 at 02:34 PM (#6031650)
I think the Kevin Love story is incredibly normal, but it's shitty to throw him under the bus like that.
Weird was probably the wrong word to use, but if it's normal, it really shouldn't be. Getting on the team should be based on merit, not because someone has 'equity' with the team. But such is life, as we all know.

I do agree those comments were overly harsh on Love, who I can't fault for wanting to play. Colangelo saying he was basically going to be a ceremonial 12th man is rough. I just don't get why Team USA thinks it can afford a ceremonial 12th man, particularly with the high chance of players being knocked out due to injury/co-vid as we've seen. This isn't 1992 where Christian Laettner can be there to smile nicely for pictures.
   3488. Hombre Brotani Posted: July 30, 2021 at 02:46 PM (#6031656)
Kendrick is an embarrassment. ESPN should not employ him - what does he bring to the table?
He sets really great picks.
   3489. Oriole Tragic Posted: July 30, 2021 at 02:47 PM (#6031657)


TFTIO (TOR) on the clock at #47.

1. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Cade Cunningham
2. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Evan Mobley
3. Cleveland (jmurph)-Jalen Suggs
4. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Jalen Green
5. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-Scottie Barnes
6. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Josh Giddey
7. Golden State (DCA)-Jonathan Kuminga
8. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-James Bouknight
9. Sacramento (tshipman)-Alperen Sengun
10. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-Usman Garuba
11. Charlotte (JJ1986)-Moses Moody
12. San Antonio (Thok)-Davion Mitchell
13. Indiana (harlond)-Franz Wagner
14. Indiana (harlond)-Keon Johnson
15. Washington (spivey2)-Trey Murphy III
16. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Ziaire Williams
17. Memphis (Willard)-Chris Duarte
18. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Jaden Springer
19. Sacramento (tshipman) (trade)-Jalen Johnson
20. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-Corey Kispert
21. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Jared Butler
22. LA Lakers (Shohei)-Cameron Thomas
23. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Isaiah Jackson
24. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Kessler Edwards
25. LA Clippers (DCA)-Kai Jones
26. Oklahoma City (harlond) (trade)-Joshua Primo
27. Brooklyn (Votto)-Ayo Dosunmu
28. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-Miles McBride
29. Phoenix (GregF)-Sharife Cooper
30. Charlotte (JJ1986) (trade)-JT Thor

31. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Bones Hyland
32. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Joe Weiskamp
33. Chicago (asinwreck) (trade)-Rokas Jokubaitas
34. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Day’Ron Sharpe
35. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Aaron Henry
36. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Quentin Grimes
37. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Herbert Jones
38. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade)-BJ Boston
39. Sacramento (tshipman)-Tre Mann
40. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-David Johnson
41. San Antonio (Thok)- Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Villanova
42. Detroit (Crosseyed)- Santi Aldama
43. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)- Charles Bassey
44. Brooklyn (Votto)- Moses Wright
45. Boston (rr)-
46. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)- Neemias Queta
47. Toronto (TFTIO)-
48. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-
49. Brooklyn-
50. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-
51. Memphis (Willard)-
52. Detroit (Crosseyed)-
53. New Orleans (Dandy)-
54. Indiana (harlond)-
55. Oklahoma City (harlond)-
56. Utah-
57. Charlotte (JJ1986)-
58. New York (. . . . .)-
59. Brooklyn (Votto)-
60. Indiana (harlond)-
   3490. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 30, 2021 at 03:37 PM (#6031680)
I put two picks upthread last night and left them. It will be this guy; he went 33 in the real draft:


1. Jason Preston, PG, Ohio U. He is showing up in a lot of Boston stuff, and Chris Forsberg has a big showy Tweet up about him. Good news is that he stuffs the stat sheet and can shoot, has decent size. At 22 with a big NCAA upset win under his belt probably a plug-and-play. Bad news is that his comp on NBADraft.net is Luke Ridnour. Vibe on Boston is that they are worried about PG depth, there are rumors about Beal wanting to play with Tatum and Smart would be in that deal. Looking at Boston on BaskRef, they had a 39-33 PYTH and were sort of middle of the pack in everything, except AST--25. Preston can pass and hit 39% on 3s. I see him as a rotation PG.
   3491. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 03:44 PM (#6031682)
Luke Ridnour is probably like a 90th percentile outcome for the 45th pick in the draft.
   3492. SteveF Posted: July 30, 2021 at 03:49 PM (#6031683)
I probably would have picked the guy the Celtics ended up picking, but chances are Begarin is a complete bust. He's all athlete, no feel, and limited skills. He's like a less skilled, more raw version of Jaylen Brown. He's one of those guys who probably ends up being perpetually a year away from being a year away.

I guess Cooper was the other guy, but I'm just out on players under 6'3". I've seen how good those guys have to be just to not be unplayable in the playoffs, and it's not likely Cooper gets there.

(This is the real draft, obviously. Cooper was long gone in the BBTF draft.)
   3493. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 03:52 PM (#6031684)
I almost drafted Begarin at 39 or whatever.

At this point in the draft, there are no sure things, but I think that generally, teams draft too many college guys and not enough foreign pros in this range. I think if Begarin played college ball, he'd be going in the late first, and not in the second.
   3494. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 30, 2021 at 03:53 PM (#6031685)
Luke Ridnour is probably like a 90th percentile outcome for the 45th pick in the draft


NBADraft.net does the comps based on max outcomes, since minimum outcome for anybody picked 20 or lower is not having a career, and the comment was partly a joke. Also, he didn't go at 45 in real life; he went 33 as noted.

Basically, he has skills and decent size but is not that athletic, so they went with Ridnour. Preston also has a very interesting back story.
   3495. rr: cosmopolitan elite Posted: July 30, 2021 at 04:23 PM (#6031688)
My hits on comments above:

1. Pelton may well be right, but it is obvious that pretty much any sabermetrics guy is going to clown the Lakers on this deal. Westbrook is in decline at almost 33, makes a huge amount of money, and can't shoot. Also, Kuzma, KCP and Harrell are all decent ballplayers.
2. One difference between this and the Dwightmare is that Howard and Nash did not really want to be here, and adding a second inside-outside pairing to one that had already won two titles, while it seemed great in real time, was in retrospect a weird plan. This OTOH is something that these three guys really want to do, so I think that they really will try to make these various adjustments, which ofc does not mean that it will work. The other difference is that while D'Antoni's strength--offensive innovation--is exactly what Vogel does not do well, D'Antoni was hired under a cloud with the Phil/Jeanie/Jim Buss stuff, and also seemed to be a bad communicator and kind of snarky (neither Pau nor Howard could stand him). Vogel OTOH is never snarky, and seems to get along very well with the Big Dogs, and as an ex-agent, Pelinka seems to be good at that piece, too.

Like I have said any number of times: I like to keep stuff simple. Westbrook has huge holes in his game and he is old and overpaid, so this may well blow up on the Lakers. One major problem is the massive decline in Westbrook's FT%, which adds to a serious weakness that the team already had, and with Ball, Hart and Ingram all doing much better at the stripe in NO, and Davis and James having declined here, this seems to be an organizational problem. OTOH, Westbrook is also very physically gifted and provides some things that will help the team.

Had the Lakers put these three guys together in, say, 2017 or 2018, I think it would work anyway, simply based on the overpowering physical talent of these three guys as your core, just like the Dwightmare would have worked for the Lakers in 2009. But trying this with James at 37, Westbrook at 33, and Davis coming off a series of leg injuries, is, obviously, a huge gamble. It is understandable that three players as gifted as James, Davis, and Westbrook all assume that they will be bad news for the league if they get together, in spite of age and injuries. Whether they are right remains to be seen, but I expect that the NBA internet intelligentsia--like Pelton--will be betting against them, which is part of what makes the whole thing interesting.
   3496. . . . . . . Posted: July 30, 2021 at 05:03 PM (#6031709)
I’ll take Filip Petrusev for the Knicks, and if it turns out Brooklyn wanted him at the pick before, I’ll figure out someone else
   3497. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: July 30, 2021 at 05:05 PM (#6031712)
1. Jason Preston, PG, Ohio U. He is showing up in a lot of Boston stuff, and Chris Forsberg has a big showy Tweet up about him. Good news is that he stuffs the stat sheet and can shoot, has decent size. At 22 with a big NCAA upset win under his belt probably a plug-and-play. Bad news is that his comp on NBADraft.net is Luke Ridnour. Vibe on Boston is that they are worried about PG depth, there are rumors about Beal wanting to play with Tatum and Smart would be in that deal. Looking at Boston on BaskRef, they had a 39-33 PYTH and were sort of middle of the pack in everything, except AST--25. Preston can pass and hit 39% on 3s. I see him as a rotation PG.
fwiw, i see this guy as more of a kendall marshall than a riddenhour.
   3498. Hombre Brotani Posted: July 30, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6031716)
James and Davis talked about the two of them changing positions if that was best for the team - James moving from small forward to power forward and Davis from power forward to center. Westbrook let James and Davis know he doesn’t mind playing off the ball when James initiates the offense, something he did while playing alongside James Harden with the Houston Rockets.
It's difficult to see how this'll all work out, but if there's one player who can make it work, it's Lebron. I don't know that he's still got enough juice left at his age, but ...

The Lakers still need shooting. I don't know what's left in the market in terms of shooting that's still available to them given their lack of cap space and tradable assets.
   3499. tshipman Posted: July 30, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6031721)
The Lakers still need shooting. I don't know what's left in the market in terms of shooting that's still available to them given their lack of cap space and tradable assets.


The speculation is that the deal can change based on FA signings. It's possible that instead of KCP, for instance, there's a Signed-and-traded Schroder.

If Schroder were in the deal instead of KCP, it would look a lot better.
   3500. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: July 30, 2021 at 05:19 PM (#6031724)
@JackPConnell
#76ers 28th pick Jaden Springer says he’s been working out with Keith Williams, Markelle Fultz’s former trainer.
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