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Friday, May 21, 2021

NBA 2021 Playoffs+ thread

I estimate there are maybe 10-12 Primates left on this site, and they all post in the NBA thread.

Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 21, 2021 at 01:07 PM | 4930 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   4001. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: August 04, 2021 at 10:12 PM (#6032909)
Flop.
   4002. Harlond Posted: August 04, 2021 at 11:07 PM (#6032914)
Votto still on the clock far as I can tell.

1. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Cade Cunningham
2. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Evan Mobley
3. Cleveland (jmurph)-Jalen Suggs
4. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Jalen Green
5. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-Scottie Barnes
6. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Josh Giddey
7. Golden State (DCA)-Jonathan Kuminga
8. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-James Bouknight
9. Sacramento (tshipman)-Alperen Sengun
10. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-Usman Garuba
11. Charlotte (JJ1986)-Moses Moody
12. San Antonio (Thok)-Davion Mitchell
13. Indiana (harlond)-Franz Wagner
14. Indiana (harlond)-Keon Johnson
15. Washington (spivey2)-Trey Murphy III
16. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Ziaire Williams
17. Memphis (Willard)-Chris Duarte
18. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Jaden Springer
19. Sacramento (tshipman) (trade)-Jalen Johnson
20. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-Corey Kispert
21. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Jared Butler
22. LA Lakers (Shohei)-Cameron Thomas
23. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Isaiah Jackson
24. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Kessler Edwards
25. LA Clippers (DCA)-Kai Jones
26. Oklahoma City (harlond) (trade)-Joshua Primo
27. Brooklyn (Votto)-Ayo Dosunmu
28. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-Miles McBride
29. Phoenix (GregF)-Sharife Cooper
30. Charlotte (JJ1986) (trade)-JT Thor

31. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Bones Hyland
32. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Joe Weiskamp
33. Chicago (asinwreck) (trade)-Rokas Jokubaitas
34. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Day’Ron Sharpe
35. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Aaron Henry
36. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Quentin Grimes
37. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Herbert Jones
38. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade)-BJ Boston
39. Sacramento (tshipman)-Tre Mann
40. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-David Johnson
41. San Antonio (Thok)-Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
42. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Santi Aldama
43. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-Charles Bassey
44. Brooklyn (Votto)-Moses Wright
45. Boston (rr)-Jason Preston
46. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-Neemias Queta
47. Toronto (TFTIO)-Isaiah Todd
48. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-Filip Petrusev
49. Brooklyn-Jericho Sims
50. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-Luke Garza
51. Memphis (Willard)-Greg Brown
52. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Josh Christopher
53. New Orleans (Dandy)-McKinley Wright IV
54. Indiana (harlond)-Juhann Begarin
55. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Raiquan Gray
56. Utah (DCA) (trade)-Austin Reaves
57. Charlotte (JJ1986)-Isaiah Livers
58. New York (. . . . .)-Jordan Schakel
59. Brooklyn (Votto)-
60. Indiana (harlond)-

Portland (mike f) - no picks
Minnesota (Mellow Mouse) - no picks

Trade 1-GSW gets Delon Wright
SAC gets Kevon Looney, Eric Paschall, 2022 R2

Trade 2-NYK gets DeAaron Fox
SAC gets RJ Barrett, 2021 R1.19

Trade 3-NOP gets #2, #23, #24, Gordon
HOU gets Ingram, #35, Lakers 2022 FRP (top 4 protected)

Trade 4-POR gets: #2, #10, 1st rounders in 2023, 2025, and 2027, + pick 2 of Adams, Gordon, and Bledsoe for salary purposes
NO gets: Lillard, Covington

Trade 5-Toronto trades #4 for#10, Adams, and Portland's 2023 1st and NO's 2025 1st

Trade 6-PHI gets Beal for Ben Simmons, PHI’s 2023 FRP, 2024 first round pick swap, and 2027 FRP “with very light protection”

Trade 7-GSW gets Goalie Halfback, Myles Turner
CHO gets Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, Juan Toscano-Anderson
IND gets PJ Washington, pick 14, GSW 2022 R1

Trade 8-HOU (Oriole Tragic) gets Bol Bol
DEN (aberg) gets Jae'Sean Tate

Trade 9-Atlanta gets picks 21 and 32
New York gets picks 20 and 48

Trade 10-DEN gets picks 34 and 36
OKC gets pick 26

Trade 11-TOR gets #40 and NOP 2022 2nd rounder
NOP gets #46 and Boucher

Trade 12-CHA gets #30 and Favors
UTA gets #56

Trade 13-MIL gets Jared Butler
ATL gets 31, 2nds in 23, 24, 27 and the 2nd from IND in ’25

Trade 14-HOU gets: #43 + #46
NOP gets: #35

   4003. jmurph Posted: August 04, 2021 at 11:08 PM (#6032915)
the wizards ended last season on a 17-6 run, mostly on the back of westbrook putting up 23/14/14 per game over that span.

This reads like you're arguing with me, which is weird because I posted about the Wizards being in a better place since the John Wall trade?
   4004. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 04, 2021 at 11:54 PM (#6032920)
This reads like you're arguing with me, which is weird because I posted about the Wizards being in a better place since the John Wall trade?
appreciate it.
   4005. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:49 AM (#6032924)
Danny Green stays put; 2/20
   4006. jmurph Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:50 AM (#6032925)
I gotta say if the US men continue to miss every shot Australia might just do it.
   4007. Mike A Posted: August 05, 2021 at 01:04 AM (#6032927)
Khris Middleton missing a wide open dunk then running back to foul the 3-point shooter kinda summed up that half. But somehow the US is only down 3 despite 3-point variance not exactly going their way. The defense picked up a bit towards the end of the first half at least, 'cause it was awful at the start.

Can I just say I hate, hate, hate the sound of these rims?
   4008. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 01:19 AM (#6032928)
Danny Green stays put; 2/20
it kinda just had to be done.
   4009. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 01:20 AM (#6032930)
this game needs more thybulle
   4010. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 01:29 AM (#6032931)
this game needs fewer australians.
   4011. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: August 05, 2021 at 09:05 AM (#6032943)
Whose 2nd are the Spurs getting in exchange for having to roster Hutchison?
The Athletic says it's from the Wizards.
   4012. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 05, 2021 at 09:33 AM (#6032944)
i presume olympic spoilers are fair game? never sure with the time difference...
man, when i went to bed the us game was 41-26 the other way. also, luka -- that's only the 3rd mens olympic triple double ever, right?
   4013. jmurph Posted: August 05, 2021 at 09:41 AM (#6032945)
I just want to note I watched both the US game and the France game which means I did not get enough sleep.
   4014. jmurph Posted: August 05, 2021 at 10:03 AM (#6032946)
also, luka -- that's only the 3rd mens olympic triple double ever, right?

Yes, they mentioned this during the broadcast. LeBron was one, I forget the other.
   4015. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: August 05, 2021 at 10:13 AM (#6032949)
NYK: 106/4 extension for Randle. Last year a player option.
   4016. aberg Posted: August 05, 2021 at 11:20 AM (#6032953)
NYK: 106/4 extension for Randle. Last year a player option.


So, Jarret Allen money.
   4017. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: August 05, 2021 at 11:31 AM (#6032955)
So is the dumbest franchise now the Cavs? Or does it remain the KANGZ? I am willing to entertain the Twolves, as well.
   4018. tshipman Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:18 PM (#6032958)
Come on. It's the Kings.

That extension for Randle is 26.5. It's kinda ... I mean it's bad, but I don't hate it absolutely because you could maybe use Randle as a trade chip for a bigger name down the road.
   4019. spivey 2 Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:22 PM (#6032959)
I'm thinking the worst run team may be the Pelicans. The only thing I think that's kept them out of the cellar that entire time than it has is that they had Chris Paul and then got lucky enough to get the #1 pick in two of the very best drafts over the last 15 years to have that pick.

The decisions they've made the last couple of years show there's no coherent thought process to how to build a team.
   4020. tshipman Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:38 PM (#6032960)
While I would love to get behind a take that spicy, I cannot agree because the Pelicans at least drafted the obvious superstar in the draft when they had the chance.

For the Pelicans to be worse than the Kings would require that they took like .. Darius Garland #1 overall.
   4021. jmurph Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:41 PM (#6032963)
The Kings did pass on Doncic for Bagley, of course, but I don't know, I think spivey makes a decent case!

They did about as well as could have been hoped in the Davis trade, I guess? They've otherwise been terrible.

   4022. Harlond Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6032964)
man, when i went to bed the us game was 41-26 the other way. also, luka -- that's only the 3rd mens olympic triple double ever, right?
That's when I packed it in. That score followed right on the heels of a sequence when Middleton had a turnover, next possession Middleton missed an open layup, next possession Middleton missed an uncontested dunk, then getting back on defense Middleton fouled the 3Pt shooter. It was discouraging.
   4023. . . . . . . Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:44 PM (#6032965)
That extension for Randle is 26.5. It's kinda ... I mean it's bad, but I don't hate it absolutely because you could maybe use Randle as a trade chip for a bigger name down the road.


It’s fine. Like all of Knicks moves, it’s nothing groundbreaking, but it’s fine and part of a coherent strategy which is a refreshing change of pace.
   4024. aberg Posted: August 05, 2021 at 12:50 PM (#6032968)
Randle is still only 26. Seems like he has been through too much to still be that young, but that contract shouldn't really be paying for his decline. I guess the question is whether last year was a new baseline level of performance. He made a lot of very difficult shots. If that's real and sustainable, I think it's a pretty fair contract.
   4025. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: August 05, 2021 at 01:39 PM (#6032980)
I am impressed that the Knicks managed to pay him basically what seems like a fair market contract, that if necessary, is very moveable.
   4026. Rally Posted: August 05, 2021 at 01:50 PM (#6032984)
7 years with Anthony Davis, here is there defensive rank:

28
27
22
27
9
14
23

If you have Davis and can't consistently turn out a strong defensive effort, you are screwing things up.
   4027. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 05, 2021 at 02:32 PM (#6032993)
on the one hand - what davis was as a defender and what he is now are fairly different - it took him awhile to fully manifest on that end
on the other - well, what you said.
--
agnostic on who the dumbest franchise is rightnow - it's a fun/sad question
--
frank the tank to remain in pho
--
more importantly, ujiri to stay in toronto
--
lou will stays in the atl for 1/5
   4028. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 02:42 PM (#6032995)
frank the tank to remain in pho
the gorilla hulk was in phoenix?
   4029. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 05, 2021 at 02:56 PM (#6032998)
nah, that dude is just into soup
   4030. Paul D(uda) Posted: August 05, 2021 at 03:04 PM (#6032999)
Masai is sticking with Toronto
   4031. spivey 2 Posted: August 05, 2021 at 03:08 PM (#6033001)
on the one hand - what davis was as a defender and what he is now are fairly different - it took him awhile to fully manifest on that end


That's almost just as damning, because their sucking at defense stretched well beyond his rookie contract. There were a lot of people wondering during his time there how good of a defender can he be if they suck so bad. I think even I asked that, if you dig up old threads. Then he immediately goes to being the anchor of a dominant defense?

They had Jrue for like all of those years too, who was always thought to be a good defender, and now he's pretty much universally regarded as the best guard defender in the NBA.
   4032. asinwreck Posted: August 05, 2021 at 03:08 PM (#6033002)
Did Ujiri get an ownership stake in the Raptors? "Vice Chairman" seems like the kind of title someone with an ownership stake would have. (That's the title Eddie Einhorn had with the White Sox for several years.)

Good for him if that's the case.
   4033. aberg Posted: August 05, 2021 at 03:44 PM (#6033012)
If we were rating front offices, I would try to evaluate three things:

1. Do they have a plan?
2. Is it a good plan?
3. How have the executed the plan?

The issue with New Orleans is that it doesn't seem like they have a plan. Or, if they do, they are changing it quickly and not executing very well.

I think the Wolves have a plan- load up on shooting and playmaking around Towns and try to outscore everyone. It's at least an ok plan. They have only been so-so at executing it.

I'm SURE that the KANGZ don't have a plan. They make some decent moves in isolation, but nothing ever adds up because the moves and players don't fit together and aren't building toward any vision. I'd say they're still the champs.
   4034. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: August 05, 2021 at 03:53 PM (#6033016)
I haven't been able to watch any Team USA basketball because NBC is so bad at showing it, but I had been wondering what was going on with Khris Middleton just based on the box score. Then Pop let slip that Khris's partner gave birth between the Finals and leaving for the Olympics?! I can't even imagine, guy has to be running on fumes (even if his girlfriend stayed home with the kid, which I assume she did).
   4035. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 03:58 PM (#6033017)
Justin Grasso @JGrasso_
Andre Drummond mentioned that he’s excited to play with Ben Simmons on the #Sixers this season….
good. good.
   4036. tshipman Posted: August 05, 2021 at 03:59 PM (#6033018)
Ben Simmons will not be a Sixer for more than a month.
   4037. Mike A Posted: August 05, 2021 at 04:11 PM (#6033021)
Yeah, I decided not to post about the final score last night because of the spoiler. It seems so hard to avoid spoilers these days - I tried to record the British Open a few weeks back but forgot to turn off phone alerts telling me who won so it was pointless. Pretty sure The Athletic sends me about 421 alerts a day, as they seem to have gone a bit overboard lately.

I've been harsh on the US team, but kudos to them for tightening up the defense and letting Durant do Durant things. Booker caught fire as well. Looking forward to the gold medal game and hopefully some revenge.

The announcer saying 'And here come the Aussies' when they cut it to 18 points with 5 minutes to go was kind of amusing.
   4038. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 04:17 PM (#6033023)
Ben Simmons will not be a Sixer for more than a month.
if you do not want to see ben simmons, joel embiid and andre drummond in the sixers' starting lineup, you are an inhuman monster.

“If they do play together, which is what we anticipate, we will be a menace at the rim, an absolute menace,” Hinkie said last summer. “If you’re going to bring violence to the other team, that’s the place to do it.”


bring violence at the ####### rim.



i did not think FULL 57i66135 was going to make a comeback anytime soon, but this will ####### do it. you see this face. this is my happy face.
   4039. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 05, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6033039)
if you do not want to see ben simmons, joel embiid and andre drummond in the sixers' starting lineup, you are an inhuman monster.


It is not want or not want. It is reality. Though I admit the 76ers starting the year with Ben Simmons would be hysterical from a team chemistry standpoint.
   4040. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 06:01 PM (#6033056)
It is not want or not want. It is reality. Though I admit the 76ers starting the year with Ben Simmons would be hysterical from a team chemistry standpoint.
fwiw, this is overblown.


embiid and rivers didn't pull their punches when talking about simmons' playoff performance, but they also didn't say anything that ben simmons didn't already know. and it wasn't the kind of thing where they were unfairly throwing simmons under the bus to protect themselves. can't be held liable for telling the truth.
   4041. tshipman Posted: August 05, 2021 at 06:23 PM (#6033058)
You can tell it's no big deal by the reports coming out today that Ben Simmons won't return anyone's call!
   4042. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 06:38 PM (#6033062)
You can tell it's no big deal by the reports coming out today that Ben Simmons won't return anyone's call!
exactly.

this is not what it looks like when someone is burning bridges (though, to be fair, simmons might still choose to do that later); this is what it looks like when someone is letting things cool off (and/or eloping to marry a kardashian in saint tropez).
   4043. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 05, 2021 at 07:00 PM (#6033066)
this is not what it looks like when someone is burning bridges
This is what it looks like when someone wants to get traded, but needs to maintain leverage. If Simmons trashes the Sixers and demands a trade, his trade value plummets because then Morey can't trade him because he won't get anything like market value for him. At the same time, he's not going to buddy back up to Embiid or anyone else in the organization because he's done with them, and they gotta know.
   4044. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 05, 2021 at 07:46 PM (#6033069)
Birch stays a Raptor for 3/20, which is more than I’d pay
   4045. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 05, 2021 at 07:48 PM (#6033070)
This is what it looks like when someone wants to get traded, but needs to maintain leverage. If Simmons trashes the Sixers and demands a trade, his trade value plummets because then Morey can't trade him because he won't get anything like market value for him. At the same time, he's not going to buddy back up to Embiid or anyone else in the organization because he's done with them, and they gotta know.

i'm sure everyone involved agrees that it would be best for simmons to get traded, but it seems like people keep forgetting that it's the sixers, not ben simmons, that are the more motivated party here.

ben simmons is going to have the same issues wherever he winds up. changing teams might be better for him personally (that is not guaranteed, btw), but it's not going to change very much for him professionally.
   4046. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 05, 2021 at 09:47 PM (#6033086)
elfrid payton likely to sign with phoenix for the minimum
---------------------
Fake Atlanta wrap-up:
Entered the draft with picks 20 and 48.
Ended the draft with Bones Hyland (31), Joe Wieskamp (32), and four future second round picks.

Bleh. I mean, this is ok - in that I the guy I wanted at 20 (Jalen Johnson) got picked right after my first trade but before my pick would have been + I wasn't gaga over my next set of options. Plus, no draftee would have a clear path to minutes this year, I like getting guys at the top of round two, and the four future seconds is a nice bag of sweeteners for future deals which the team will benefit from. But:

More than maybe anybody, Atlanta needs a consolidation trade and I couldn't figure out one that would make sense for both parties. IRL, there's not a rush, it can be done in season. But I'd've rather done it early, here.
   4047. tshipman Posted: August 05, 2021 at 11:13 PM (#6033099)
More than maybe anybody, Atlanta needs a consolidation trade and I couldn't figure out one that would make sense for both parties. IRL, there's not a rush, it can be done in season. But I'd've rather done it early, here.


Felt like there was maybe a Gallo trade out there for a shooting guard upgrade. Maybe a Tim Hardaway, Jr. kind of player or Malcolm Brogdon
   4048. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 12:27 AM (#6033109)
Brogdon is a guy I would target (did I make an offer to Indiana or just in my head?) and I planned on moving Gallo out if possible. Didn’t come up with a template around both those 2 things though.

Oubre to Charlotte for 2/26+ (from shams)
   4049. tshipman Posted: August 06, 2021 at 12:39 AM (#6033111)
I ... kind of like Charlotte's offseason?
   4050. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 06, 2021 at 08:31 AM (#6033131)
ben simmons is going to have the same issues wherever he winds up. changing teams might be better for him personally (that is not guaranteed, btw), but it's not going to change very much for him professionally.


He is a unique player with a skill set that clearly doesn't fit where he is. He desperately needs to find somewhere that matches his skills and at least as important somewhere that actually values him and wants him around. Professionally he needs to move on.

Similarly, the 76ers want to win now, and clearly need to find pieces that better fit around Embiid, before Embiid breaks down. The 76ers need to move on.

76er management being delusional about what Simmons is worth on the trade market is the only thing that has kept him a 76er thus far.
   4051. asinwreck Posted: August 06, 2021 at 08:32 AM (#6033132)
That Oubre signing came hours after reports that Charlotte might be interested in Markkanen.

How many of the unsigned free agents are going to be on the Thunder's roster?
   4052. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: August 06, 2021 at 08:59 AM (#6033135)
I don’t think the Sixers are delusional; I think they feel like they have the leverage and are posturing.
   4053. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:02 AM (#6033136)
He is a unique player with a skill set that clearly doesn't fit where he is. He desperately needs to find somewhere that matches his skills and at least as important somewhere that actually values him and wants him around. Professionally he needs to move on.

It would be better to find a team that matches his skills but what makes this a "need" (let alone a "desperate" one) for Simmons? He's going to be paid $30+ million for the next three years regardless.
   4054. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:09 AM (#6033138)
on charlotte - i remember asking (I think in this space) a year or so ago if oubre was actually any good, does he help his teams win? (i landed on no.) since then, his play as declined and he doesn't fit a positional need. this was a bad use of hornet resources.
(caveat: his defense looked better last year (by stats) and he has the potential for a broad base of skills on offense - could make me look bad.)
--
4052/tftio on the sixers: i agree. isn't morey's mo to ask for the moon at first? (kind of like a dutch auction)
--
rumor is that willy hernangomez will stay with new orleans on a 3 yr deal
   4055. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:14 AM (#6033141)
This is what it looks like when someone wants to get traded, but needs to maintain leverage. If Simmons trashes the Sixers and demands a trade, his trade value plummets because then Morey can't trade him because he won't get anything like market value for him. At the same time, he's not going to buddy back up to Embiid or anyone else in the organization because he's done with them, and they gotta know.


If Simmons (or anyone in his position) was smart he *would* burn bridges and force the team to trade him at below market value. That way the team he joins gives up less and is therefor better than if they had to give up a lot to get him.
   4056. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:21 AM (#6033144)
4052/tftio on the sixers: i agree. isn't morey's mo to ask for the moon at first? (kind of like a dutch auction)

Yeah let’s not take the rumours as necessarily good faith information. Leaking to make one party look ridiculous is a perfectly normal negotiating strategy.
   4057. jmurph Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:26 AM (#6033148)
I've been wondering if the Lillard thing is actually an option for the Sixers, because given (essentially) an ultimatum from Portland to improve the team around him, Portland has done basically nothing. So either Olshey is even dumber than he already demonstrated in that end of season press conference, or maybe they're actually thinking about moving him.
   4058. Willard Baseball Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:33 AM (#6033150)
I am not an Oubre in Charlotte fan. However, he is young, and has defensive skills. He needs to stop taking 5 3's a game, and become a much better off the ball cutter. If he could use his speed/strength, he could play off LaMelo and Gordon and do something. But if he couldn't figure that out playing with Curry, not sure he figures it out this year.

On a two year deal though, I can see it.

Is Charlotte a 6 seed? A 10 seed?
   4059. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:41 AM (#6033152)
It would be better to find a team that matches his skills but what makes this a "need" (let alone a "desperate" one) for Simmons? He's going to be paid $30+ million for the next three years regardless.


Obviously, none of us are in his head (or sadly his bank account). He is going to make the money regardless, so that doesn't figure into it at all. In general professional basketball players are extremely prideful and last year - from Ben's perspective - ended in a train wreck. Absent injury the season ended was about as bad for him as possible, and I suspect desperate to not have that happen again is probably accurate.

The best way to distance himself from last year, and not just being thrown under the bus by his coach and teammates, is to find a new home. Somewhere he fits better and can show them all just how unrepresentative last year was.

Is he really desperate? Feel free to pick a different word that expresses his likely desire if you want. Much like feel free to pick a different word than delusional to describe the 76er front office (I admit to picking provocative words, but I don't think they are totally off base).
   4060. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:44 AM (#6033153)
oh - while i'm not signing oubre to that deal, he's young, athletic, and it's only 2 years.

think they're closer to 10, but i'm curious how much lamelo improved.

i feel like charlotte doesn't believe in pj washington - thoughts?
   4061. Willard Baseball Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:53 AM (#6033156)
I fear you are right. It is troubling that despite being in a better situation, and being in his 2nd year, PJ really didn't improve much. However, he had a good rookie year. The most troubling thing is his lack of rebounding.

But he could be part of a pretty cool offense that moves the ball. If LaMelo makes a jump (and stays healthy), Charlotte could really surprise. They have a lot of guys that could make incremental improvements this year that could add into something if LaMelo makes a 2nd year jump (not an easy task after his rookie year).
   4062. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:54 AM (#6033157)
I would be happy for the Wolves to give Washington a try out.
   4063. Willard Baseball Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:59 AM (#6033162)
Wolves send out KAT.

Charlotte sends out PJ, Bouknight, Rozier and 2 1sts.

Would love to pair LaMelo and KAT, with Hayward and Bridges.
   4064. Willard Baseball Posted: August 06, 2021 at 09:59 AM (#6033163)
BTW, the Wolves would never agree to that. Just trying to fit the pieces around LaMelo better!
   4065. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:35 AM (#6033187)
Unsurprisingly, iggy to GSW for the minimum
   4066. spivey 2 Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:44 AM (#6033189)
I didn't realize that Milwaukee used $4mil of their $5.9mil TP-MLE on George Hill. I am not positive he's worth that, but he's a good shooter and good off ball PG, who also isn't going to do dumbass Jeff Teague things like tryin split doubles off the pick and roll like he's 24. That means they're pretty much done.

If healthy, I like the team. The core 7 of Antetokounmpo, Middleton, Holiday, BroLo, Divincenzo, then Portis and Connaughton off the bench. Then Ojeleye, George Hill, Nwora, and Hood as their 7-11 guys. Would be nice to have one more wing defender, but you can maybe find that during the season - or maybe Ojeleye or Nwora show something. For the regular season, their main 3 guards can all guard up a bit.
   4067. jmurph Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:47 AM (#6033191)
Unsurprisingly, iggy to GSW for the minimum

This seems extremely unlikely to be a useful addition on the court, but if they're just going for good vibes then I guess it's just several million dollars in luxury tax for the owners so it's all good.
   4068. asinwreck Posted: August 06, 2021 at 12:15 PM (#6033199)
I'm curious about the minutes in Golden State if Porter is healthy (and assuming they don't deal Wiggins for Simmons).
   4069. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: August 06, 2021 at 12:33 PM (#6033202)
New Orleans Pelicans Mock Draft Recap

Net Gains: Damian Lillard, Robert Covington, Chris Boucher, Eric Gordon, #23 (Isaiah Jackson), #24 (Kessler Edwards). Also drafted Aaron Henry (#35) and McKinley Wright IV (#53) with existing picks.

Net Losses: Brandon Ingram, Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, #10, #40, #46, LAL 2022 1st rounder, NOP 1st rounders in 2023, 2025, and 2027, NOP 2022 2nd rounder

The Pelicans entered this draft with a mediocre ill-fitting roster and lots of excess draft picks. They left it with Damian Lillard -- an All-NBA offensive engine who complements Zion (at least on that end of the floor) -- as well as 3 other veteran additions to surround Zion with outside shooting. The Covington and Boucher acquisitions should also improve the frontcourt defense, which was a glaring weakness last year, with greater activity, mobility, and rim protection.

Unlike the actual Pelicans, this version will retain Lonzo Ball. By my calculations, the mock Pelicans can afford to pay him up to $26-27 million this year and stay under the luxury tax, which is $1-2M below his maximum salary and $6-7M above the offer sheet he signed with the Bulls. While the net loss of three 1st round picks is significant, it’s worth noting that the actual Pelicans lost two 1st rounders just to unload the Adams and Bledsoe contracts and swap out Ball for the cheaper Devonte’ Graham.

Starting lineup: Lillard / Lonzo / Covington / Zion / Boucher
Bench rotation: Kira Lewis / Gordon / NAW / Jaxson Hayes
Deep bench: 3 rookies (Jackson, Edwards, & Henry) + low/minimum-salaried vets
Two-Way: McKinley Wright

Writeup of the draft picks:

Isaiah Jackson (#23) – Very bouncy, long, & mobile dive man and rim protector. Sort of player who gets downgraded as “raw” and a “project big man” but really isn’t. His listed weaknesses largely consist of traits I’d consider strengths, e.g. that he was very aggressive and tried to force the issue on both ends, leading to some bad misses on self-created jumpers and runners, offensive fouls via charge and moving screen, and out-of-control closeouts and blocked-shot attempts. Kentucky was a dysfunctional mess with awful guard play. That Jackson was creating much of his own offense and trying to be as disruptive as possible defensively are points in his favor in my book. From the identified weaknesses and context you’d think his numbers would be nothing special, but he was actually one of the most productive players in the SEC as a freshman and Kentucky’s best and most efficient player by a mile (30 PER and 63% TS in conference play, led the SEC in TRB%, BLK%, and DBPM).

Kessler Edwards (#24) – Movement shooter with size and defensive versatility, which is a strong foundation to become a useful role player. Cannot create off the dribble, as his handle is very poor. Some question whether his shot will hold up, given his unconventional form with a pronounced dip and forward lean, though he squares up to the target and it’s been repeatable and reliable. 88% from the free throw line this year is also reassuring in that regard. Long arms (8’10” standing reach) and excellent instincts/timing defensively allowed him to lead the WCC in blocks despite being 6’8” and not an explosive leaper. Should become a competent to good defender at either forward spot.

Aaron Henry (#35) – Went undrafted, though it’s unclear why. Rumblings of character concerns. I haven’t seen any reports of off-court issues, and Tom Izzo publicly supported him in the draft process but maybe less enthusiastically behind the scenes? Didn’t make the leap as a sophomore that many expected, yet last year as a junior he led the team in virtually every category as a point forward and defensive stopper. One of the best point-of-attack defenders in the draft, with size and strength to take on wings rather than just smaller guards. Outstanding mid-range floater though his outside jumper’s slow & off-balanced form needs to be reworked. Should spend time in the G-League but I’d sign him to a multi-year deal.

McKinley Wright IV (#53) – Four-year starter at point guard (Colorado) known for competitiveness & positive attitude. Small but strong (6’0” with 6’5” wingspan, 192 pounds). Can run an offense. Understands how to execute PnR, stellar mid-range jumper & floater, nearly 3:1 AST/TO ratio last year. 33% from deep on middling volume for his career. An above-average defender in college with quick feet and tremendous effort, though limited by size. Should be a good practice player on a two-way contract, with the potential for backup minutes down the line as needed due to injury or trade.
   4070. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 12:44 PM (#6033203)
reggie jackson stays a clipper for 2/22
javonte green stays with bulls on a 2 yr deal
de'andre bembry to brooklyn on a 1 yr deal

moratorium now over - deals can be made official, s/t offers can be signed, and so on
   4071. DCA Posted: August 06, 2021 at 12:52 PM (#6033205)
I think it might be time to autopick #59 for Brooklyn (Votto). I had to do it manually, but I think the highest IRL draft pick still on the board is Dalano Banton, so I nominate him. Then Harlond can finish us off with #60.
   4072. tshipman Posted: August 06, 2021 at 01:01 PM (#6033206)
I'm curious about the minutes in Golden State if Porter is healthy (and assuming they don't deal Wiggins for Simmons).


What's their best closing 5 if everyone is healthy?

Steph
Draymond
Otto Porter
Klay
???--is it Wiggins? Iguodala? One of the bigs?
   4073. spivey 2 Posted: August 06, 2021 at 01:35 PM (#6033216)
My brief Washington write up:

I don't like Beal too much, I don't think they should max him if there's a chance to get a huge return instead. I also felt strongly that Westbrook would have some value in this league, just not in our little draft bubble, so I was fine not dealing him because I felt a better offer would show up.

But I think if you combined what they did in real life and what I did, that's kind of what I'd be looking to do. Would have also been fine just taking back bad money for Westbrook.

KCP and some of these other guys will be movable for assets mid-season as well - KCP is definitely worth a first. Or, I think you could reasonably just pivot and try to make the playoffs with a Simmons + Dinwiddie + KCP + Bertans + Center core.
   4074. DCA Posted: August 06, 2021 at 01:36 PM (#6033217)
GSW closing 5: I think it's Wiggins. Take the starting lineup, Green slides to the 5 and the best bench wing comes on. Which is Porter if he's anywhere close to 2018 form, otherwise probably JTA.
   4075. DCA Posted: August 06, 2021 at 01:58 PM (#6033224)
Brief LAC and Utah mock writeups. I finished drafting and trading my main team (GSW) early, and took these two since unclaimed.

LAC: Kai Jones (#25). Clippers are pretty well set on the wing for the foreseeable future. My plan was to take the best available PG or big, and that was Jones.

Utah: Austin Reaves (#56). With the last pick in the first round, I wanted to grab a rotation-ready bench guard who could fit well playing alongside either Conley or Mitchell. Had settled on Reaves - a 23 year old 6'5" guard - as the best fit for that pick but a slight overdraft. But when the opportunity arose to dump Favors by trading down into the second round, I jumped, and Reaves was still available at the end of the second round.
   4076. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 06, 2021 at 02:05 PM (#6033227)
My Timberwolves writeup: <zzzzzzzzzzz>
   4077. jmurph Posted: August 06, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6033235)
Apparently the Celtics are interested in Schroder. I think they only have the MLE unless some sign/trade option is in play? I don't think they'd want to hardcap themselves, but who knows.

Anyway, cap logistics aside, I see the interest, they are in serious need of guard help.
   4078. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 02:58 PM (#6033241)
Memphis trades Grayson Allen to MIL for Sam Merrill and 2 2nds (woj). Allen will fit into the DJ Augustin exception.
   4079. DCA Posted: August 06, 2021 at 03:05 PM (#6033242)
Longer GSW writeup. If we had another week to get the draft done, I think would have attempted to break up the big 3 and reload, but only by sending everyone home: Curry -> CHA, Klay -> LA, Draymond -> Det. Not what I'd do in real life, but a fun thought exercise.

The big haul would be Curry (LaMelo, Rozier, Bridges, and some firsts); then Klay to LAL for something similar to the Westbrook package, and Draymond for Kira Lewis + Jerami Grant. But with only a day or two to get the teams assigned and begin the draft, that seemed too difficult to pull off (I'd have to dump/consolidate guys after the big 3 are dealt; Simmons an obvious target).

So I went with a more logical build-a-winner-around-Curry approach. The first trade I made was minor (picking up Delon Wright for Looney, Paschall, and a future 2nd) but really everything followed from there. I think Wright is a perfect third guard, and I wanted to dump Paschall, was happy that tship asked for him. Looney's salary was needed to get the deal done, and that meant that I needed to find a win-now center.

Indy offered Myles Turner to Charlotte, and while faux Hornets didn't take that deal, I was able to insert myself and land both GH and Turner for Wiggins + future assets.

Jonathan Kuminga was the obvious asset portfolio choice with the #7 pick.

In: Kuminga, Wright, GH, Turner
Out: Payton II (released), Wiggins, Toscano-Anderson, Paschall, Smailagic (released), Looney, Wiseman, 2021 #14, 2022 R1, 2022 R2

That leaves the squad very thin. After the excellent top six (Wright starts whenever any regular starter sits, meaning most of the time, including the beginning of the year until Klay is ready), I have only Poole, Damion Lee, and Mychal Mulder. Literally, that's it. Mannion/Kuminga to the G-League at least to begin the year, and Justinian Jessup has a sizeable buyout so we'll let him develop in Australia another year.

So I need to fill 4-6 spots with the MLE, vet minimums, and maybe another two-way guy (Mannion is one). Holding on to Jordan Bell makes sense in BBTF world, and real-life minimum signings Porter, Iguodala, and Bjelica are also good fits. I'll also want a real backup center - Robin Lopez with the TPMLE make sense, and that's a wrap.

Starters(6): Curry, Klay, GH, Green, Turner, Wright
Bench(8): Poole, Lee, Mulder, Iggy, Porter, Bjelica, Bell, RoLo
G-League: Kuminga, Mannion (2-way), another 2-way
Stashed abroad: Jessup

Really like this team for 2021-22 given decent health (not a given) and I'm not totally devoid of future assets. Being able to draft and keep Kuminga is a nice bonus. No draft picks next year, but the plan is to develop Kuminga, Mannion, and Jessup this year, and add them as rotation-level players in 2022-23.
   4080. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: August 06, 2021 at 03:14 PM (#6033246)
I guess that's a good move for the Bucks. Allen will be able to provide solid guard depth in the short-term more than Merrill probably ever will. But man do I not like that guy.
   4081. tshipman Posted: August 06, 2021 at 03:14 PM (#6033247)

So I went with a more logical build-a-winner-around-Curry approach. The first trade I made was minor (picking up Delon Wright for Looney, Paschall, and a future 2nd) but really everything followed from there. I think Wright is a perfect third guard, and I wanted to dump Paschall, was happy that tship asked for him. Looney's salary was needed to get the deal done, and that meant that I needed to find a win-now center.


Yeah, in hindsight, I would have asked for Mulder, but at the time, that was the first deal of the offseason and I was planning to trade away all Sacramento's bigs (because they all suck).

I also straight up didn't realize it was a future second and thought it was a second this year, but that's what happens when you role play the Kings.
   4082. spivey 2 Posted: August 06, 2021 at 03:16 PM (#6033248)
Like the Grayson Allen trade. Not really, I guess, because I don't like him as a player or the little I've seen as a person. But Divincenzo may not be ready to start the year and they're just going to need bodies in the back court that can play NBA basketball.
   4083. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: August 06, 2021 at 03:24 PM (#6033251)
also Sam Merrill and Grayson Allen are the same age.
   4084. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 03:28 PM (#6033252)
It also clears up a guard logjam in Memphis (freeing up time for Bane and Melton)
<<and maybe creates space for a different move? just wondering>>
--
Leonard to stay with the Clips which - of course he is.
   4085. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 03:53 PM (#6033266)
Winslow to LAC, 2 yr
   4086. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: August 06, 2021 at 03:54 PM (#6033267)
Durant to sign 4/198 extension
   4087. Harlond Posted: August 06, 2021 at 04:08 PM (#6033272)
With the 60th pick, Indiana selects DJ Stewart Jr.

This is the final and complete draft list.

1. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Cade Cunningham
2. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Evan Mobley
3. Cleveland (jmurph)-Jalen Suggs
4. Portland (mikef) (trade)-Jalen Green
5. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-Scottie Barnes
6. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Josh Giddey
7. Golden State (DCA)-Jonathan Kuminga
8. Orlando (Athletic Supporter)-James Bouknight
9. Sacramento (tshipman)-Alperen Sengun
10. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-Usman Garuba
11. Charlotte (JJ1986)-Moses Moody
12. San Antonio (Thok)-Davion Mitchell
13. Indiana (harlond)-Franz Wagner
14. Indiana (harlond)-Keon Johnson
15. Washington (spivey2)-Trey Murphy III
16. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Ziaire Williams
17. Memphis (Willard)-Chris Duarte
18. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Jaden Springer
19. Sacramento (tshipman) (trade)-Jalen Johnson
20. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-Corey Kispert
21. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Jared Butler
22. LA Lakers (Shohei)-Cameron Thomas
23. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Isaiah Jackson
24. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Kessler Edwards
25. LA Clippers (DCA)-Kai Jones
26. Oklahoma City (harlond) (trade)-Joshua Primo
27. Brooklyn (Votto)-Ayo Dosunmu
28. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-Miles McBride
29. Phoenix (GregF)-Sharife Cooper
30. Charlotte (JJ1986) (trade)-JT Thor

31. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Bones Hyland
32. Atlanta (Der-K) (trade)-Joe Weiskamp
33. Chicago (asinwreck) (trade)-Rokas Jokubaitas
34. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Day’Ron Sharpe
35. New Orleans (Dandy) (trade)-Aaron Henry
36. Denver (aberg) (trade)-Quentin Grimes
37. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Herbert Jones
38. Orlando (Athletic Supporter) (trade)-BJ Boston
39. Sacramento (tshipman)-Tre Mann
40. Toronto (TFTIO) (trade)-David Johnson
41. San Antonio (Thok)-Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
42. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Santi Aldama
43. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-Charles Bassey
44. Brooklyn (Votto)-Moses Wright
45. Boston (rr)-Jason Preston
46. Houston (Oriole Tragic) (trade)-Neemias Queta
47. Toronto (TFTIO)-Isaiah Todd
48. New York (. . . . .) (trade)-Filip Petrusev
49. Brooklyn-Jericho Sims
50. Philadelphia (Stiggles)-Luke Garza
51. Memphis (Willard)-Greg Brown
52. Detroit (Crosseyed)-Josh Christopher
53. New Orleans (Dandy)-McKinley Wright IV
54. Indiana (harlond)-Juhann Begarin
55. Oklahoma City (harlond)-Raiquan Gray
56. Utah (DCA) (trade)-Austin Reaves
57. Charlotte (JJ1986)-Isaiah Livers
58. New York (. . . . .)-Jordan Schakel
59. Brooklyn (Votto)-Dalano Blanton
60. Indiana (harlond)-DJ Stewart Jr.

Portland (mike f) - no picks
Minnesota (Mellow Mouse) - no picks

Trade 1-GSW gets Delon Wright
SAC gets Kevon Looney, Eric Paschall, 2022 R2

Trade 2-NYK gets DeAaron Fox
SAC gets RJ Barrett, 2021 R1.19

Trade 3-NOP gets #2, #23, #24, Gordon
HOU gets Ingram, #35, Lakers 2022 FRP (top 4 protected)

Trade 4-POR gets: #2, #10, 1st rounders in 2023, 2025, and 2027, + pick 2 of Adams, Gordon, and Bledsoe for salary purposes
NO gets: Lillard, Covington

Trade 5-Toronto trades #4 for#10, Adams, and Portland's 2023 1st and NO's 2025 1st

Trade 6-PHI gets Beal for Ben Simmons, PHI’s 2023 FRP, 2024 first round pick swap, and 2027 FRP “with very light protection”

Trade 7-GSW gets Goalie Halfback, Myles Turner
CHO gets Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, Juan Toscano-Anderson
IND gets PJ Washington, pick 14, GSW 2022 R1

Trade 8-HOU (Oriole Tragic) gets Bol Bol
DEN (aberg) gets Jae'Sean Tate

Trade 9-Atlanta gets picks 21 and 32
New York gets picks 20 and 48

Trade 10-DEN gets picks 34 and 36
OKC gets pick 26

Trade 11-TOR gets #40 and NOP 2022 2nd rounder
NOP gets #46 and Boucher

Trade 12-CHA gets #30 and Favors
UTA gets #56

Trade 13-MIL gets Jared Butler
ATL gets 31, 2nds in 23, 24, 27 and the 2nd from IND in ’25

Trade 14-HOU gets: #43 + #46
NOP gets: #35

   4088. Harlond Posted: August 06, 2021 at 05:12 PM (#6033283)
Indiana Pacers writeup

My goal with the Indiana Pacers was to try to improve their atrocious defense and deal with the lineup construction issues posed by Sabonis and Turner. I decided to keep Sabonis, a 2-time All-Star, but trading Turner obviously hurts the defense. On reflection, I should have seen what I could have gotten for Sabonis, because I think a starting front line of Turner/Wagner/K. Johnson projects to be very good defensively. Offensively, Turner is a credible 3Pt shooter already, Wagner projects to be one, and Johnson, whose skills right now are mostly defensive, is a terrific athlete who should be able to figure out some way to contribute. I think that front line could work well with the shooting and other offensive abilities of Brogdon, Levert, Lamb, and Warren. At any rate, wouldn’t give up 146 points to the Wizards in the playoffs.

The Sabonis/Wagner/Warren frontline is far better offensively, and with some combo of Warren, Brogdon, Levert, and Lamb on the court there should be plenty of room for Sabonis to operate in the middle. But with that lineup the rim protection is not there (although Wagner, who I read has grown another inch or so, is a decent shot blocker). If instead I play Johnson (and projecting his defense here), my defense might be better but I don’t have enough outside shooting on the court.

So all in all, I’m not convinced I got this right. OTOH, in Wagner and Johnson, I did get two young players with great defensive chops right now, and Johnson is one of the best athletes in the class. Both of those guys could develop into terrific players that are easy to build around who could be high-level contributors on a contending team.

I think I drafted pretty well, but I didn’t front-office all that well.

In: Franz Wagner; Keon Johnson; Juhann Begarin (draft and stash); DJ Stewart Jr; PJ Washington; GSW 2022 R1
Out: Turner

Depth Chart:

PG: Brogdon/McConnell
SG: Levert/Lamb or K. Johnson/J.Holiday
SF: TJ Warren/Brissett or K. Johnson
PF: Wagner/PJ Washington
C: Sabonis/Bitadze
   4089. JJ1986 Posted: August 06, 2021 at 05:37 PM (#6033287)
Hornets:

As part of a three-team trade, send Gordon Hayward to Golden State and PJ Washington to Indiana. Receive Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman and Juan Toscano-Anderson from Golden State.
Trade pick #56 to Utah for pick #30 and Derrick Favors.
11. Moses Moody, W, Arkansas
30. JT Thor, F, Auburn
57. Isaiah Livers, F, Michigan

The Charlotte Hornets had the 3rd pick in the 2020 draft, but the two teams above them let them grab the best prospect who also ended up being the best rookie. Our goal moving forward is to build around LaMelo Ball, putting a young team in place to grow over the next few years and to compete within a 3-4 year timeframe.

Being limited by our market and likely not getting another top-3 pick in the near future, the Hornets are also looking for creative ways to add future stars. Thus, a trade adding James Wiseman to the team intrigues me even if it’s probably an overpay. Wiseman was overdrafted and had a bad season but he still has the kind of potential that is hard for the Hornet to acquire. Hypothetical Wiseman is a great fit with Ball where he can be a rim-runner and big presence in the middle on defense.

I’m also intrigued to swap Hayward for Andrew Wiggins. Hayward was just signed, but he’s not on a great contract and he’s definitely not a part of the next great Hornets team. Wiggins might be even if it’s only as a fifth starter who can shoot and score. He showed in Golden State that he doesn’t have to be terrible on defense.

PJ Washington is a well-performing young player, but he’s a power-forward-only really and he is likely to be overpaid (in two years) when he gets his next contract. He’s also probably not a longterm piece on this roster and I feel like I offset some of his loss for this season by getting Toscano-Anderson back in the trade.

With the 11th pick in the draft, the Hornets select Moses Moody. I’m intrigued by his skills as a wing who is good on defense now, but who looks like an NBA player when he moves, can dribble the ball well enough and who grades out well statically. In other years, and drafting for other teams, I have drafted for good role players in the late-lottery, but I feel like my actual attitude and Charlotte’s need have matured to the point where we want a player who (while he might have a high floor) is also a guy who might have star upside. Moody physically fits that profile.

Other prospects I considered for the spot for Alperen Sengun (already drafted) and Jalen Johnson. The other guy I really went deep on was Franz Wagner, who is likely to be a good NBA player, but I think has a much lower chance of becoming a star. Had he been on the board still, though, I would have tried to take in the 14th pick in the three-team trade.

Those two moves done, I wanted to evaluate my cap situation before the draft proceeded too far. I think I came to the exact same conclusion as the real Hornets, which is that by keeping Devonte’ Graham’s hold on the books – and renouncing every other free agent (including Malik Monk) – we get enough space to basically buy another pick. In real life, the cost was two years of Mason Plumlee, but here we are able to get the 30th pick by taking on one year of Derrick Favors.

At 30, the Hornets select JT Thor, another prospect with high upside, although his might just be on the defensive end. At 57, we take Isaiah Livers, the other end of the spectrum as an older prospect who might immediately step in as a fifth forward.

Our roster moving forward is fairly set for this season. We start Ball, Terry Rozier (who is available in trade), Wiggins, Miles Bridges and James Wiseman. If we keep Graham, he’s a good third guard, otherwise we need to replace him in that role. Moody is hopefully the backup SG while JTA competes with a few of the leftover prospects (McDaniels, two Martins) for reserve forward minutes. Derrick Favors is the backup center and hopefully he’ll bounce back this season; he’s still only 30.

We’re looking at adding two players in free agency – a third center and a bigger power forward (who could potentially start in place of Bridges). We have the room exception to use for one of the contracts, but are otherwise limited to minimums after going under the cap. A bunch of real forwards signed contracts near the RE-level including Jeff Green, Bobby Portis, Rudy Gay, Moe Harkless and Markieff Morris though we’d have to compete with better teams for them. I’m also intrigued by Paul Millsap if he’d be willing. At center, Cody Zeller probably wouldn’t come back, but there are plenty of guys who got minimums. Dewayne Dedmon, Hassan Whiteside, Enes Kanter, even Tony Bradley.

I’d also like to keep Grant Riller and imagine we could get him to stick with a fully guaranteed minimum deal. Hopefully we can get Livers to agree to a 2-way contract. That means we have to cut three guys. Caleb Martin is one and I’d probably just cut Nick Richards despite his recent draft-pick status. Cody Martin is another potential cut as he’s sort of buried on the depth chart.

Roughly speaking:

G: LaMelo Ball, Terry Rozier, (Devonta’ Graham), (Grant Riller)
W: Andrew Wiggins, Miles Bridges, Moses Moody, Juan Toscano-Anderson, Cody Martin
F: (FA signing), Jalen McDaniels, JT Thor, Isaiah Livers (2-way)
C: James Wiseman, Derrick Favors, (FA signing), Vernon Carey

We’re too small and we’re more dependant on Wiseman than I’d like, but I think I have worked to build a team that might work for LaMelo. At the least, I didn’t add a Plumlee. We also have just an incredible ######## of capspace coming up next summer when Rozier, Wiggins and Favors are all set to be free agents.
   4090. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: August 06, 2021 at 10:39 PM (#6033326)
the gold medal game between US and france is live on NBC, now.


every other live basketball game in the olympics has been exclusively on the ####, so this might be news to some.
   4091. spivey 2 Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:16 PM (#6033333)
Don’t understand why one way guys like Lillard and Lavine get so much run on this team.
   4092. smileyy Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:34 PM (#6033335)
The women's games have been on USA or NBC. NBC wants you to buy Pea(####)
   4093. spivey 2 Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:40 PM (#6033336)
Gobert getting that D Wade whistle
   4094. spivey 2 Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:43 PM (#6033338)
Jrue is so good. Love that man.
   4095. spivey 2 Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:52 PM (#6033341)
Jrue Holiday is legit the second most important player on this team.
   4096. Harlond Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:53 PM (#6033342)
I don't understand why Draymond and Bam can't hedge on the Gobert picks instead of switching. They're both really good at that. Gobert vs. Lillard is not a great matchup.
   4097. Harlond Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:56 PM (#6033343)
We're killing ourselves with fouls.
   4098. Harlond Posted: August 06, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6033344)
Also, we're getting beat on the boards by a good margin. France playing very big.
   4099. spivey 2 Posted: August 07, 2021 at 12:00 AM (#6033346)
Lavine playing in the 4th quarter is just obnoxious
   4100. spivey 2 Posted: August 07, 2021 at 12:13 AM (#6033347)
What are these subs. Feels like there’s no rhyme or reason to it.
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