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Sunday, June 27, 2021

N.C. State, derailed by covid-19 issues, is out of the College World Series after NCAA decision

North Carolina State’s baseball team was one win from its first College World Series final before a disastrous encounter with NCAA health protocols led first to a strange loss Friday and then a decision to declare Saturday’s game a no-contest, ending the team’s run in Omaha.

Friday’s game against reigning champion Vanderbilt veered into the bizarre when the Wolfpack found out less than two hours before the first pitch that they would have just 13 eligible players. They elected to play on and were competitive in a 3-1 loss that forced a deciding game Saturday. But in the middle of the night, the NCAA’s Division I Baseball Committee declared that game a no-contest because of health protocols, putting Vanderbilt in the final and ending N.C. State’s season. The decision, according to the committee, was made on the recommendation of the championship’s medical team and the local health department.

“The NCAA and the committee regret that N.C. State’s student-athletes and coaching staff will not be able to continue in the championship in which they earned the right to participate,” the committee said in a statement. “Because of privacy issues, we cannot provide further details.”

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   1. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: June 28, 2021 at 09:28 AM (#6026630)
This just in: Pandemic ain't over yet, kids.
   2. winnipegwhip Posted: June 28, 2021 at 09:40 AM (#6026634)
I stayed up to watch the end of the Texas - Mississippi State game on Friday night/Saturday morning. When it resumed at 1 AM Omaha time, it was just a few minutes later that the broadcast crew made the announcement which was just being released by the NCAA. During the next few minutes they discussed the matter and what-ifs...

The number one thing that was curious was that if NC State had beaten Vanderbilt on Friday afternoon, NC State's no contest would have been in the final round versus the winner of Mississippi State and Texas. Therefore whoever won between those two were the champs. If the Bulldogs had come back in the ninth on Friday night/Saturday morning that would have been the championship right there. Neither team would have taken the field at 1 AM to finish knowing they were playing for the championship at that moment.

It was an unfortunate turn of events to a CWS which has had lots of drama on the field. I think it was safe to say that NC State was the sentimental favorite going into Friday's games.
   3. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: June 28, 2021 at 01:42 PM (#6026676)
If I am mistaken, I hope and presume somebody will correct me, but after reading a little bit about this in the news, it sounds like a significant number of players on the roster had not been vaccinated. Is this accurate?

If this is accurate, then I have very, very little sympathy for the players and/or coaches on the team who did not get vaccinated (and, conversely, a lot of sympathy for those who did get vaccinated, and may be getting penalized because their teammates didn't take this as seriously).

I mean, the "pandemic ain't over yet" for some regions of the country, but here in New England, where vaccination rates are the highest in the country...it pretty much is over. The number of new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths have plummeted, and virtually all gathering places (restaurants, bars, concert venues, movie theatres,etc.) are back to pre-pandemic types of activities. Fenway Park had 37,000 people each day this weekend for the Yankees series, and it was like a festival the whole weekend. Why? Because most people in this region are getting vaccinated.

If players and coaches on NC State want to avoid this kind of outcome, then they needed to vaccinate like everybody else is supposed to. That some (many?) of them did not is just foolish.
   4. bunyon Posted: June 28, 2021 at 01:54 PM (#6026680)
3: Correct, much of the team and traveling party were not vaccinated. NC vaccination rates are middling - a little under 50%. On the other hand, four of the eight positives were for vaccinated (so they say) players. Definitely having them all vaccinated would have helped.
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: June 28, 2021 at 02:20 PM (#6026686)
If players and coaches on NC State want to avoid this kind of outcome, then they needed to vaccinate like everybody else is supposed to. That some (many?) of them did not is just foolish.


Hey, it isn't the manager's job to get into politics.

   6. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: June 28, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6026687)
Fenway Park had 37,000 people each day this weekend for the Yankees series, and it was like a festival the whole weekend.


Hey how'd the Sox do?
   7. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: June 28, 2021 at 02:58 PM (#6026693)
The manager may have said he didn't want to get into politics, but it is interesting what he considers "politics". You have a bunch of athletes and coaches who are deep into the process of making history (when you look at how far back NC State was in the first third or so of the season, it is remarkable that they got to the semifinals of the CWS), and one of the main threats to them being able to win the whole thing is...a COVID outbreak. How is getting a vaccine - especially one with a demonstrated efficacy rate like these COVID vaccines - political? It is just as political as making the pitchers do their off-day exercises and stretching, or telling the players they have a curfew the night before games, or taking over the counter medication for soreness or headaches or something. So dumb.
   8. winnipegwhip Posted: June 28, 2021 at 03:35 PM (#6026702)
Hey, it isn't the manager's job to get into politics.


Eliot Advent actually stated on Saturday in the press conference that it is not his job to indoctrinate his players to his viewpoints. That viewpoint can most people fired in the education enviroment today.
   9. GregD Posted: June 28, 2021 at 03:53 PM (#6026704)
That viewpoint can most people fired in the education enviroment today.


where?
   10. bunyon Posted: June 28, 2021 at 03:57 PM (#6026705)
8: Bull. Avent is absolutely correct it's not his job to indoctrinate his players in anything political. No one in education believes otherwise.

What many, and hopefully most, in education believe is that vaccines aren't politics. That the US (and the world) has allowed them to become so is a tragedy and a sign of a civilization in decline. I suspect Avent, who probably isn't a deep political thinker looked around his state and thought, huh, vaccines and covid are political and I don't want to get caught up in that ####. So, I'm keeping my mouth shut. And it came back to bite him.

   11. bunyon Posted: June 28, 2021 at 04:05 PM (#6026708)
By the way, most of the folks at the Y I go too have no problem with the State players being unvaccinated. They have a big problem that the NCAA is still doing testing, etc. Made me glad I'm still wearing my mask out.
   12. sanny manguillen Posted: June 28, 2021 at 04:45 PM (#6026720)
Pandemic ain't over yet,


Deaths of former MLB players at the midpoint of the last four years:

2018: 57
2019: 46
2020: 58
2021 (June 28): 58

BB-Ref has only entered 18 deaths in the current quarter, as opposed to 33 last year. Encouraging, but there were only 13 in the 2nd Qtr of 2019.
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 29, 2021 at 03:17 PM (#6026873)

For what it's worth, the manager claims that he got vaccinated in March.
   14. bunyon Posted: June 29, 2021 at 03:23 PM (#6026878)
Exactly. He's not against vaccination, he just thinks it's political. Which is a terrible place to find ourselves in.
   15. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: June 29, 2021 at 03:45 PM (#6026885)
here in New England, where vaccination rates are the highest in the country...it pretty much is over.

Here in New York, which of course was COVID Central, they were actually shooting off fireworks to celebrate "the end of the pandemic" (not exactly, but close enough).

That's called "hubris", folks.
   16. Mike A Posted: June 29, 2021 at 04:00 PM (#6026888)
NC Rep Dan Bishop, while criticizing this decision, also said 'The pandemic is over.'

In the meantime, 8 NC State players have tested positive, all for the Delta variant.
   17. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: June 29, 2021 at 04:37 PM (#6026896)
it is strange to see people stepping down precautions at a time when other countries are increasing them.
   18. Captain Supporter Posted: June 29, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6026898)
Here in New York, which of course was COVID Central, they were actually shooting off fireworks to celebrate "the end of the pandemic" (not exactly, but close enough).


Here in NYC (where I live) the large majority of people are still wearing masks outdoors (which makes no sense), and almost everyone is wearing them indoors. The New York Post had a guy walk into Trader Joe's and do a customer count re: mask wearing, and found 49 wearing masks and one going mask free. That accords with my experience. As an example, I walked into Barnes & Noble yesterday and all but three customers and one employee (a cashier) were wearing masks.
   19. bunyon Posted: June 29, 2021 at 05:20 PM (#6026901)
Most here in NC think it over. If they ever thought it was real at all.
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 29, 2021 at 11:40 PM (#6026987)
I don’t think the majority are still wearing masks outdoors in NYC. Some are but that hasn’t been my experience recently.

At the grocery store and other non-restaurant indoor locations, it seems like mask wearing is still pretty high.
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: June 30, 2021 at 12:23 AM (#6026993)
I was at the deGrom game at Citi Field on Saturday with 29,000 or so other fans.

I didn't notice a single mask being worn in the entire stadium, aside from the employees.

my buddy and I agreed later that if we saw just a smattering, maybe it didn't even register.

but it felt like.... the war is over (whether it is or not).

I was at the Yonkers Raceway slots parlor today (I was the youngest person there, for sure!), and mask-wearing was maybe 50 pct even with a non-prominent sign saying that CDC doesn't require one if you are fully vaccinated. but that was a very brutal core spot in the first weeks of this pandemic in the U.S., so that doesn't seem strange to me.

I'm in a northern NJ multi-story condo with what I perceive to be a "purple" demographic, of all ages - and the vast sentiment is that it's over as well. I wear a mask on my chin out of respect for someone in an elevator who might seem nervous, for quick and easy adjustment if requested - or even if it seems like it would be helpful. but I have yet to come across anyone who seems nervous (the improvised protocol that developed last year was that if the door opened and either the elevator inhabitant or the potential newcomer hesitated, no offense would be taken and the newcomer would grab the next one).

the mask wearing indoors in stores in these parts has dropped about 10 pct a week, to where it now is very low.

   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: June 30, 2021 at 04:48 PM (#6027068)


the mask wearing indoors in stores in these parts has dropped about 10 pct a week, to where it now is very low.


Yeah, as I noted in another thread, pretty much nobody at my gym is still wearing masks (I still do -- you can call me crazy, but it's the only place I'm spending prolonged time indoors with other people these days so why not take slightly added precautions). Grocery stores still seems pretty high but down from the peak. On public transportation it's still required and quite high.

At my apartment building, we just lifted our mask requirement in common areas for vaccinated people (which effectively means for everyone, since we have no way of knowing who isn't vaxxed).
   23. Jay Seaver Posted: June 30, 2021 at 05:09 PM (#6027072)
I wouldn't be surprised if mask use correlates really well to use of public transportation at this point - here in the Boston area, it's required on the MBTA, and enough shops are still requiring their use that you may as well keep them on while you walk to where you were going. Then, hey, the staff is still wearing masks, so it would be kind of rude to take yours off...

At least, that's the line of thinking I tend to use, that going back and forth is more annoying than just keeping it on, especially if you figured out what's relatively comfortable/effective early on, and it explains a fair amount of what I see around town.

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