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New report alleges Terry Francona, Chris Antonetti knew about Mickey Callaway’s behavior

The Athletic’s Brittany Ghiroli and Katie Strang have a new report that alleges both Antonetti and manager Terry Francona were aware of Mickey Callaway’s behavior and even discussed it with him at some point. They defended him on multiple occasions to an angry husband who called in to tell the organization about the kind of messages his wife — an employee of the Cleveland organization — was receiving from Callaway.

At one point, a Cleveland-based attorney brought in by the organization had offered to have Terry Francona call the husband as some way of making amends. The attorney, in a recording obtained by The Athletic, at one point expressed concern about the husband making the photos and/or videos sent from Callaway public.

Multiple sources are quoted in the report pointing out the hypocrisy of Antonetti’s statements made on Feb. 4. They reiterate that Mickey’s behavior was the “worst-kept secret in the organization.”

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 09:49 AM | 50 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JJ1986 Posted: March 02, 2021 at 10:02 AM (#6007230)
Nice background check, Mets.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 10:46 AM (#6007232)
According to one former Mets employee, Callaway earned a nickname among several people within the organization:

“Dick Pic Mick.”


Maybe they meant they thought he had pictures of slugger Dick Allen.
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: March 02, 2021 at 10:50 AM (#6007233)
According to one former Mets employee, Callaway earned a nickname among several people within the organization:

“Dick Pic Mick.”


And in a related story, three New York Post editors have been laid off for failing to beat the Mets to this headline.
   4. RJ in TO Posted: March 02, 2021 at 10:51 AM (#6007234)
This is the current phrasing in the article, which is significantly different than the part quoted above.

The Athletic’s Brittany Ghiroli and Katie Strang have a new report that alleges both Antonetti and manager Terry Francona were aware of a consensual extramarital affair that Mickey Callaway was having with an Arizona woman in 2015 and even discussed it with him at some point. They defended him on multiple occasions to an angry husband who called in to tell the organization about the “pornographic” messages his wife was receiving from Callaway.
It's still shitty behavior, but there's a big difference between apparently consensual activity between two people, and the sort of harassment Callaway has been accused of elsewhere.
   5. baerga1 Posted: March 02, 2021 at 11:21 AM (#6007237)
Yeah the consensual aspect of the relationship makes this weird. Was this a jealous husband trying to destroy his sexual rival? In which case Callaway would officially be off the hook for this particular incident, while remaining unofficially a scumbag. But the broader picture being painted of Callaway makes me skeptical that he is blameless here. Perhaps the husband/wife reconciled to some degree and Callaway kept harrassing her, and the husband felt he needed to defend her (with a little revenge thrown in for good measure). Regardless.. Callaway.. yeesh.
   6. The Duke Posted: March 02, 2021 at 12:06 PM (#6007244)
Maybe it’s a typo and he likes to gamble “quick pick mick”. He’s less likely to get tossed for gambling now that the mob is the official sponsor of MLB now.
   7. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 01:28 PM (#6007263)
Everything about this is disgusting. The leering, the aggressiveness, the adultery - the culture of baseball needs to change if it allows this kind of garbage to go unchecked. And yes, I know that there is rampant adultery throughout baseball, but it's all gross. If you want to play the field, as long as it's consensual, then fine. But don't get married and leave the married women alone. If you do get married and start a family, then keep it in your pants. It's really not that difficult.
   8. flournoy Posted: March 02, 2021 at 02:24 PM (#6007277)
Does a "consensual extramarital affair" involve just the consent of the participants, or does it include the consent of the participants' spouses?
   9. Traderdave Posted: March 02, 2021 at 02:32 PM (#6007278)
Does a "consensual extramarital affair" involve just the consent of the participants, or does it include the consent of the participants' spouses?




Depends who you ask...
   10. asinwreck Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:05 PM (#6007280)

Fabian Ardaya@FabianArdaya
Joe Maddon said he still cannot comment on Mickey Callaway in light of today’s report in The Athletic. Said it’s still an ongoing investigation.

Up until now, I thought the investigation Maddon cited was an internal Angels action. Given today's reports about Cleveland's front office, now I wonder what the league office is doing.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:09 PM (#6007281)
It's still shitty behavior, but there's a big difference between apparently consensual activity between two people, and the sort of harassment Callaway has been accused of elsewhere.
Whatever one thinks of adulterous behavior, we’re far past the time when employers would police such practices, unless someone was doing their boss’s spouse. Very poor reporting in the initial version of TFA.
   12. Lars6788 Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:18 PM (#6007282)
The adultery shows the pattern of behavior that Callaway engages - it’s more indicative of his supposed character; no one is saying he should be held accountable because he was screwing around with consent.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:20 PM (#6007283)
Everything about this is disgusting. The leering, the aggressiveness, the adultery - the culture of baseball needs to change if it allows this kind of garbage to go unchecked. And yes, I know that there is rampant adultery throughout baseball, but it's all gross. If you want to play the field, as long as it's consensual, then fine. But don't get married and leave the married women alone. If you do get married and start a family, then keep it in your pants. It's really not that difficult.

Who was the NBA player who's wife went to every games, and on every road trip with him? Doug Christie?

They had a very honest assessment of the temptations athlete's faced, and were both committed to avoiding them.
   14. bunyon Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:23 PM (#6007285)
13 is why harassment and abuse are clearly not sexual. Callaway could probably have a different consensual partner every night (and, I mean, he's by no means near the top of the pyramid). That he's harassing professional associates shows it's not about getting laid.
   15. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:27 PM (#6007286)
On the topic of the consensual affair, the reports include this somewhat convoluted statement, which, I think (?) implies that there were aspects of the relationship that made the woman uncomfortable at some point. Maybe?

The Athletic reported that the affair between Callaway and the woman included "unsolicited pornographic material," including photos and at least one video, according to the husband.
   16. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:33 PM (#6007287)
Terry Francona's son came out with a pretty strong statement criticizing his dad and the Indians. sounds like they are not close.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:35 PM (#6007288)
13 is why harassment and abuse are clearly not sexual.

I think it's more accurate to say it's not just sexual. It's clearly a sexual behavior, but these guys need some extra elements to make it "work" for their sleaziness. They're only harassing women they want to have sex with.
   18. base ball chick Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:39 PM (#6007290)
having an adulterous affair with 1 or more consenting LEGAL persons is NOT sexual harassment unless he pressured one of the persons at work into having sex with him

it would be a serious massive trouble if he was screwing one of the player's wives. or the coach's wives. or really anyone who worked for his organization's wife. or husband. (i'm not sexist here) so i would guess the unhappiness of MLB/Angels might could depend on that

i mean, IS someone being harassed? DID he force sex? DID he send pics of youknowwhat to not consenting people?

he's a shtttbag for being an adulterer, but that is NOT sexual harassment no matter how you try to define sexual harassment, if the other person consents. or even started up with him

teams ain't gonna have real too many guys left to play/coach if they only allow the ones who are married AND sexting/adulterating. all that supposed 'christian" stuff don't apply to adultery. the 9 commandments, you know
   19. bunyon Posted: March 02, 2021 at 03:51 PM (#6007291)
I think it's more accurate to say it's not just sexual.

Fair. But I've known some guys like this (though not well enough for a psych eval like I'm doing) and it sure seemed more of a power trip than anything. They did, in fact, harass other people. Only that harassment wasn't sexual because they didn't find them sexually attractive. So they were just bullies and ######## to everyone else.
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 04:02 PM (#6007293)
Terry Francona's son came out with a pretty strong statement criticizing his dad and the Indians. sounds like they are not close.

Sounds like it's a credit to his son that he is not close to his father.
   21. asinwreck Posted: March 02, 2021 at 04:54 PM (#6007301)
   22. Bourbon Samurai stays in the fight Posted: March 02, 2021 at 05:00 PM (#6007302)
Sounds like it's a credit to his son that he is not close to his father.


Indeed yes
   23. Stevey Posted: March 02, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6007304)
#18 -
five women detailed a pattern of sexually inappropriate behavior by Callaway that spanned at least five years, multiple cities and three teams. Three women said they were sent inappropriate photographs; one woman said he requested nude photos in return. The women said he routinely commented on their appearance in a manner that made them feel uncomfortable.
   24. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: March 02, 2021 at 06:36 PM (#6007312)
What is it about important, highly-visible New York men sexually harassing women...?
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 06:42 PM (#6007314)
What is it about important, highly-visible New York men sexually harassing women...?

Humanity is pretty lousy, and the more power people get, the lousier they tend to be.
   26. The Duke Posted: March 02, 2021 at 08:26 PM (#6007322)
Nick Francona sounds like an opportunistic jerk. He certainly doesn’t care about Calloways transgressions - just a gratuitous shot at his Dad for the fun of it.
   27. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 02, 2021 at 08:50 PM (#6007326)
Nick Francona sounds like an opportunistic jerk. He certainly doesn’t care about Calloways transgressions - just a gratuitous shot at his Dad for the fun of it.


Wow, I totally didn't get that impression; but hey different strokes, etc.
   28. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#6007333)
Nick Francona sounds like an opportunistic jerk. He certainly doesn’t care about Calloways transgressions - just a gratuitous shot at his Dad for the fun of it.


Wow, I totally didn't get that impression; but hey different strokes, etc.

I'm with Hugh Jordan. It sounds like Antonetti, Terry Francone and Calloway are despicable people, and Nick Francona is justly calling them out for their scumminess.
   29. base ball chick Posted: March 02, 2021 at 10:04 PM (#6007337)
i didn't realize how much shttt he was up to - i didn't RTFA because i thought it was linked to the athletic

i don't know why this is, but i have seen where current employers don't/won't tell future employers all the troubles they have with person X. i don't know why this is but they are like that.

it is also true that teams/companies prefer to pay off a complainer rather than get rid of the person causing the problem, especially when it is more than one complainer. i think sexual harassment is tolerated unless it is assault and even then the retaliation is against the complainer for not going along with "the gag" instead of the buttmunch who is causing the problem

i don't know if future teams can ask for someone's HR records.

but i think that if antonetti/francona told the mets - oh yeah - he's had all these harassment complaints, then it would look bad that THEY didn't get rid of the jerk
   30. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: March 02, 2021 at 10:37 PM (#6007340)
i don't know why this is, but i have seen where current employers don't/won't tell future employers all the troubles they have with person X. i don't know why this is but they are like that.


Each state has different employment laws but if you disclose negative information about an employee you can open your company and yourself up to a lawsuit.
   31. base ball chick Posted: March 02, 2021 at 10:56 PM (#6007344)
jose

i'm sure that's right.

so likes who in cleveland was gonna tell the mets - you got NOOOOO idea how this guy acts with females. we had angry husbands threatening to go to lawyers etc
   32. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 02, 2021 at 10:58 PM (#6007346)
#31 that's why you ask the guy whose dad works at the Indians to give you the real dirt "off the record". It sounds like Nick Francona was asked by the Mets to get the scoop on Calloway from his connections with the Indians, and his dad basically lied to him. If I were Nick I would be rightfully pissed about that even if I didn't actually give a damn about the underlying harassment.
   33. base ball chick Posted: March 02, 2021 at 11:12 PM (#6007350)
yeah

that is IF dad wants to tell kid to tell his mets pals. but if kid and dad don't have a good relationship, like kid says, dad has no reason to tell kid anything especially if he thinks it will come back to bite him in the azz. maybe he was told by boss to keep mouth shut. and boss didn't want lawsuit problems. what if they had to back up those allegations and complainers refused to talk?

that's not a good way to get info from a not reliable source.

more sense to get some females to get the story from other females

i don't think teams looked into anything besides what some candidate could have done that would be illegal and sexual harassment is not illegal that i know of

i wonder what trevor bauer has to say. he did NOT like ol mickey
   34. Jobu is silent on the changeup Posted: March 03, 2021 at 08:50 AM (#6007368)
Nick Francona sounds like an opportunistic jerk. He certainly doesn’t care about Calloways transgressions - just a gratuitous shot at his Dad for the fun of it.
1. "Opportunistic" how? Has he suddenly gotten a promotion or something after all this came out?
2. "Certainly" - really? This whole conversation is an exercise in reckless speculation, but you among us all are blessed with certainty?
3. People don't generally take gratuitous shots at their parents for the fun of it. Especially not parents who are decent parents and/or people.
   35. jmurph Posted: March 03, 2021 at 09:12 AM (#6007371)
2. "Certainly" - really? This whole conversation is an exercise in reckless speculation, but you among us all are blessed with certainty?

Yeah I think it's safe to assume the opposite, in fact; given his dad was publicly "dating" a 20 something before he was divorced from Nick's mom, it's at least possible Nick is personally offended by this sort of thing.
   36. Lars6788 Posted: March 03, 2021 at 04:59 PM (#6007509)
Would Nick Francona have his outlet if he wasn’t the son of a big league manager?

What position did he have to confront his father or members of Cleveland’s front office staff?
   37. Mayor Blomberg Posted: March 03, 2021 at 05:16 PM (#6007514)
The 33-year-old Francona, a US Marine who commanded a scout-sniper platoon in Afghanistan,

Yup, can't get too much more opportunistic jerk than that, can you. Why can't more young men be upstanding role models like Don Jr and Erik, I keep asking myself,
   38. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: March 03, 2021 at 05:37 PM (#6007520)
He certainly doesn’t care about Calloways transgressions


He told you that?
   39. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 03, 2021 at 06:19 PM (#6007529)
Well I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thought #26 was talking out of his arse. Again, I totally didn't get any negative impression from the Nick tweet regarding this.

Just a young man, who has to face his wife and friends each day, and like any upstanding adult, has taken a warranted position on this.
   40. Jay Seaver Posted: March 03, 2021 at 06:33 PM (#6007530)
Calling Nick Francona "opportunistic" here seems kind of strange - his connection to his father probably isn't the only thing that's gotten him to a job in baseball front offices, but he certainly doesn't gain anything there by burning that bridge, and I can't see what else he could parlay it into. I mean, if he wants to become some sort of culture-war pundit, it's not like this is the part of that business that pays well.
   41. asinwreck Posted: March 03, 2021 at 07:07 PM (#6007536)
Nick Francona was the Mets' assistant director of player development when they hired Callaway.
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 03, 2021 at 07:19 PM (#6007537)
Nick Francona was the Mets' assistant director of player development when they hired Callaway.

Right. He'd tried to do due diligence with his dad, and his dad lied to him. That's why he's pissed.

   43. Howie Menckel Posted: March 03, 2021 at 09:11 PM (#6007550)
Son: "Can you tell me if there are any red flags regarding us considering a hiring of Callaway as manager?"

Dad: "Well, let me put it this way - I can't think of anything he's done that I haven't done or wouldn't consider doing - myself."

Son: "Thanks, Dad - that's what I needed to hear!"

(also, perhaps worth noting in retrospect: the Mets fired Calloway after a season in which his team went 42-21 in its last 63 games - probably among the five hottest long streaks in MLB history for a manager to get shitcanned from.)
   44. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 03, 2021 at 09:29 PM (#6007553)
Son: "Can you tell me if there are any red flags regarding us considering a hiring of Callaway as manager?"

Dad: "Well, let me put it this way - I can't think of anything he's done that I haven't done or wouldn't consider doing - myself."

Son: "Thanks, Dad - that's what I needed to hear!"

(also, perhaps worth noting in retrospect: the Mets fired Calloway after a season in which his team went 42-21 in its last 63 games - probably among the five hottest long streaks in MLB history for a manager to get shitcanned from.)


It's hard for me to imagine a father lying to his son (or vice versa) just to protect a scumbag like Calloway, but birds of a feather...
   45. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 03, 2021 at 11:15 PM (#6007575)
It's hard for me to imagine a father lying to his son (or vice versa) just to protect a scumbag like Calloway, but birds of a feather...


Well he probably phrased his response to Nick's inquiries as something like, "well there's not too much there, nothing to really worry about, just a little bit of grey but nothing sinister" type of thing. Which, of course, is just lying.

Calloway is a turd.
   46. Lassus Posted: March 04, 2021 at 08:38 AM (#6007594)
The 33-year-old Francona, a US Marine who commanded a scout-sniper platoon in Afghanistan,
***
Yup, can't get too much more opportunistic jerk than that, can you.


I don't really have an opinion on whether or not he IS, but this factoid is not some kind of proof that he's not.
   47. Jobu is silent on the changeup Posted: March 04, 2021 at 08:45 AM (#6007596)
#46 - You have a very good point. I am a veteran myself, but it is sometimes off-putting how reflexively we seem to attribute heroic virtue and all-around awesomeness to anyone who has served. It's the new "he's a good, church-going man."
   48. gef, talking mongoose & suburban housewife Posted: March 04, 2021 at 08:52 AM (#6007597)
Well I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thought #26 was talking out of his arse.


I think we've seen over the years that that's his default position.
   49. Mayor Blomberg Posted: March 05, 2021 at 02:14 AM (#6007716)
I'm not a veteran, but "hey, let's go shoot and get shot at in Afghanistan" doesn't seem like an opportunist's choice, though I'll revise that if he heads into politics and banks on it. Notice that I'm leaving open the possibility of jerk, it's the adjective that caught me.
   50. Jobu is silent on the changeup Posted: March 05, 2021 at 09:12 AM (#6007722)
49 - Fair enough. I objected to the same adjective.

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