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Tuesday, November 09, 2021

New York Mets’ Sandy Alderson says New York City a deterrent in team’s GM search

Largely, though, he thinks New York itself is keeping people away.

“There are a lot of factors that come into play, but I would say it’s, you know, it’s not unforgiving, but it’s a demanding place,” he said. “Which I enjoy, by the way.”

Alderson said he has interviewed many candidates and Cohen has interviewed some. He believes the organization will make just one hire, for a general manager. He did not rule out the possibility that a president of baseball operations could be hired above that GM in future offseasons.

“Assuming we only hire one person, there will be at least a year runway for that person to demonstrate their ability and their potential,” he said. “I’ve said this to others in the past, that’s the opportunity. That’s all you can ask for. And demonstrated ability tends to get rewarded.

“If you’re looking to be comfortable, this is probably not the place, the Mets are probably not the place to come,” he added.

Alderson said he was a little surprised by how many candidates had turned them down.

He also denied that concerns about autonomy have led to some of those nos. Alderson, who has 40 years of baseball experience, will oversee whoever is hired, and his son, Bryn, is an assistant general manager.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 09, 2021 at 02:02 PM | 58 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Howie Menckel Posted: November 09, 2021 at 02:08 PM (#6052102)
maybe that's why Cashman seems to have been Yankees GM since Mickey Mantle retired

:)
   2. bunyon Posted: November 09, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6052107)
So you’ll be sandwiched between father and son and have a whole year to turn things around. Boy, I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t want this job.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: November 09, 2021 at 02:15 PM (#6052109)
No wonder they can't hire any of the top younger candidates. You get one year where it's unclear who your boss is (were you interviewed by Alderson or Cohen?), then you'll get a new boss maybe, there's at least one assistant GM you're stuck with. In a business where you (or more likely your mystery boss) are making 10-year contract decisions, drafting players who probably won't be worth anything for 4 years, you get "at least a year" to prove yourself.

"You'll have no control and we expect you to win now" is not an attractive job offer.

But it's one I'm happy to accept for a reasonable, guaranteed salary. I can work from home right?

EDIT: I am now in full agreement with those who say Alderson has to go.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: November 09, 2021 at 02:34 PM (#6052123)
New York City says that Sandy Alderson is a deterrent in team's GM search.
   5. Adam Starblind Posted: November 09, 2021 at 02:55 PM (#6052130)
He is saying "at least a year" to demonstrate that you should be President of Baseball Operations.
   6. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: November 09, 2021 at 03:11 PM (#6052136)
Were Alderson to go, he would undoubtedly be replaced with someone no better, and most likely with someone worse.

I get that fan frustration with ownership has to be vented somewhere, 'cuz you can't fire the owner, but quite obviously ownership is The Problem.
   7. Zach Posted: November 09, 2021 at 03:37 PM (#6052143)
One Alderson is one thing, but two is too many.

Under the circumstances, you can see why a serious candidate would prefer to wait for the POBO job. All they're offering right now is the chance for a courtesy interview when the real job opens up.
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 09, 2021 at 03:40 PM (#6052144)
Were Alderson to go, he would undoubtedly be replaced with someone no better,


Would they even be able to find anyone to replace him considering the team plays in New York?
   9. The Duke Posted: November 09, 2021 at 03:53 PM (#6052149)
They should just outsource the role to India. I’m pretty sure a handful of call center people who speak broken English with a heavy accent would be a perfect fit for the job.

1. Every time a GM calls he has to state his name, ID, and reason for call.
2. At this point the GM would be asked a bunch of questions unrelated to the purpose of the call which would infuriate the caller who would demand to speak to an Alderson, any Alderson.
3. GM would be put on hold and then disconnected
4. GM would get survey to fill out to judge whether he was satisfied with the result of the call

Mets would never make a trade and slowly improve. Someone would eventually write a book called “Callcenter ball”
   10. Adam Starblind Posted: November 09, 2021 at 04:14 PM (#6052155)
Under the circumstances, you can see why a serious candidate would prefer to wait for the POBO job.


Or they could hold out in negotiations for the better title. It isn't like quality candidates are storming the door here.
   11. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: November 09, 2021 at 04:43 PM (#6052157)
They should just outsource the role to India. I’m pretty sure a handful of call center people who speak broken English with a heavy accent would be a perfect fit for the job.

1. Every time a GM calls he has to state his name, ID, and reason for call.
2. At this point the GM would be asked a bunch of questions unrelated to the purpose of the call which would infuriate the caller who would demand to speak to an Alderson, any Alderson.
3. GM would be put on hold and then disconnected
4. GM would get survey to fill out to judge whether he was satisfied with the result of the call

Mets would never make a trade and slowly improve. Someone would eventually write a book called “Callcenter ball”


I'm sorry but this is outrageous. Obviously step two is FAR too early for the GM calling the Mets to reach an actual person. This would be due of course to higher than normal call volume regardless of the day or time.
   12. reech Posted: November 09, 2021 at 05:10 PM (#6052158)
I'm surprised they didn't make the job an unpaid internship.
   13. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 09, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6052160)
The posts above are all funny, but jokes aside...this is really limiting their options. As Walt points out, you're not sure who exactly you are answering too, you're stuck with the bosses son as your assistant, they want to win now and you have a whole 1 year to sort it out! And of course it's the Mets so there's always a dumpster on fire somewhere that needs to be tended to.

Now your possible boss is going public and blaming NYC for some of the issues. I get that NYC isn't to everyone's taste, but geez, that's a piss-weak excuse.

With those parameters they'll have to look at about 5-6 guys down the pecking order in the Rays org if they want anyone decent.
   14. The Mighty Quintana Posted: November 09, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6052161)
Ahh, just promote your son and be done with the whole charade....
   15. Tom Goes to the Ballpark Posted: November 09, 2021 at 05:31 PM (#6052162)
Were Alderson to go, he would undoubtedly be replaced with someone no better, and most likely with someone worse.
I don’t agree with this at all. Sandwiching a hire between father and son guarantees that no one of quality is going to take the job. With a clean house the Mets would be attractive to a top candidate.

This GM search is reminiscent of Dick Cheney looking for a VP candidate and “reluctantly” having to choose himself. How long until Bryn Alderson is the most qualified candidate available?
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 09, 2021 at 05:51 PM (#6052163)
Former Washington Nationals Assistant GM Adam Cromie has reportedly emerged as a serious candidate. He spent 10 years in the Nationals Front Office, while going to law school during the last part of his tenure, leaving in 2017 for a position with the Jones Day law firm, where he apparently works in mergers & acquisitions and corporate governance. That may give him an edge on Walt.
   17. JJ1986 Posted: November 09, 2021 at 08:01 PM (#6052178)
Because hiring someone in another line of work turned out so well last time.
   18. McCoy Posted: November 09, 2021 at 09:06 PM (#6052187)
Would that be Sandy Alderson?
   19. OsunaSakata Posted: November 10, 2021 at 11:23 AM (#6052234)
What about Mike Richards?
   20. GregD Posted: November 10, 2021 at 12:14 PM (#6052253)
Famously, New York City is wildly underpopulated due to the complete absence of people who are willing to live there
   21. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 10, 2021 at 12:25 PM (#6052263)
Alderson, who has 40 years of baseball experience, will oversee whoever is hired, and his son, Bryn, is an assistant general manager.

Alderson is pretty bad at his job. The Mets have had one 90 win season during his tenure, and only 3 .500 or better seasons. There may have been a time when he was a good executive but that time has passed.
   22. Tin Angel Posted: November 10, 2021 at 12:36 PM (#6052268)
Is that pronounced Brin or Brian? Either way it definitely spices it up!
   23. . . . . . . Posted: November 10, 2021 at 12:48 PM (#6052275)
the mets hiring a fourth year M&A associate from the pittsburgh office to be their GM is just <chefs kiss>. It cannot be improved upon.
   24. . Posted: November 10, 2021 at 01:32 PM (#6052290)
It's almost impossible to imagine a guy like Steve Cohen willingly going along with Alderson's nepotism and the toxic dump Chernobyl shitshow it's turned the Mets into. Which means he's somehow, some way been de-balled -- and that's the actual story here. There's simply no way this is his voluntary doing; literally nothing about his personality or career would lead one to believe that it is.

Steve Cohen Unplugged nods his head and goes along with the Sandy Alderson thing to get voted into the club and then cleans house and puts his own people in at the first opportunity he gets. That is not happening, and why it's not happening is the story.
   25. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 10, 2021 at 01:52 PM (#6052297)

Because hiring someone in another line of work turned out so well last time.

It worked pretty well with Frank Cashen, but that was a different time.
   26. Darren Posted: November 10, 2021 at 02:04 PM (#6052303)
Alderson is generally good, right? I mean, he is a decent GM in terms of talent and value evaluation, right?

His comments here seem pretty okay. He doesn't say you need to win in a year, just that they'll give the candidate at least a year to make a good impression.
   27. BDC Posted: November 10, 2021 at 03:01 PM (#6052315)
Seems like the ideal situation for an interim GM, Whitey Herzog or somebody.
   28. Darren Posted: November 10, 2021 at 03:39 PM (#6052330)
I wonder if he would listen if the Mets called.
   29. McCoy Posted: November 10, 2021 at 04:06 PM (#6052337)
I think Sandy did pretty darn good considering the situation the Mets were in when he took over.
   30. Adam Starblind Posted: November 10, 2021 at 04:13 PM (#6052346)
The lawyers on here will get a kick out of this.

There is a debate raging on Twitter, spawned primarily by Michael Mayer from Metzmerized, about whether this is Chris Christie's doing. Apparently, litigators at Jones Day (2500 lawyers in 43 offices) may or may not have represented Christie at one point. Adam Cromie is a 4th year M&A associate in Jones Day's Pittsburgh office. This, the theory goes, cannot be a coincidence--Christie and Cromie are closely connected through Jones Day and that is why Cromie is being considered.
   31. I am going to be Frank Posted: November 10, 2021 at 04:55 PM (#6052378)
That Chris Christie has sway in anything beyond his kid's sports team boggles my mind.
   32. Howie Menckel Posted: November 10, 2021 at 05:41 PM (#6052384)
I think Christie and Cohen being bros is a plausible theory, given their respective egos. I know several life-long, diehard progressives over the years who have expressed their shock to me about how charmed they were upon meeting Christie at social events. they were disappointed at, well, "almost sort of liking him." I've seen it myself - he's extremely perceptive about how to engage someone, within seconds of meeting them.

btw, Christie I think still does a once-a-year four-hour drive-time appearance on WFAN when Boomer Esiason is on a vacation day. he's actually ideal for that sort of gig - has lots of genuine "hot takes," many of which will rile up some fans of that particular team. that's kind of what you want in a talk show host.

he also knows more about the Mets (and probably his beloved Dallas Cowboys, too) than any politician I can think of knows their supposedly favorite team - right down to, say, who is the best raw, potential star infielder among the Mets' less-advanced farm clubs.

of course, that doesn't make him qualified to have a role in determining who the Mets GM should be. but as ruthless as Cohen is, that wouldn't necessarily make him immune from a Christie sales push.
   33. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 10, 2021 at 05:49 PM (#6052387)
Christie only suggested Cromie as a favor so Jones Day would give him a bigger bonus as a counteroffer. Christie is really just trying to drag out the process to benefit his actual preferred candidate, BTTF’s own Walt Davis.
   34. The Duke Posted: November 10, 2021 at 08:57 PM (#6052412)
I find Christie likable too. Mostly I liked that he put Trumps son - in-law’s father in jail

In 2004, Christie, then the US attorney for New Jersey, investigated the Kushner family patriarch Charles. The tale that ensued is a salacious one that involves illegal campaign contributions, videotapes, and a sex worker. Christie’s prosecution culminated in a prison sentence for Charles Kushner.
   35. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 10, 2021 at 11:20 PM (#6052442)
I think Sandy did pretty darn good considering the situation the Mets were in when he took over.

Alderson is generally good, right? I mean, he is a decent GM in terms of talent and value evaluation, right?



I do not get why this idea is prevalent. The Mets have won two playoff rounds in 11 years that he has been part of the franchise. He has hired people that have needed to be fired because of moral issues. The Mets have not drafted well. What exactly has he done well?


   36. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 11, 2021 at 04:13 AM (#6052461)
#30 if he’s an M&A associate, there are more plausible conspiracy theories about why Cohen would be talking to him.
   37. McCoy Posted: November 11, 2021 at 05:49 AM (#6052464)
He took a team that didn't want to spend to the playoffs and world series.
   38. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 11, 2021 at 07:09 AM (#6052465)

I do not get why this idea is prevalent. The Mets have won two playoff rounds in 11 years that he has been part of the franchise. He has hired people that have needed to be fired because of moral issues. The Mets have not drafted well. What exactly has he done well?


This isn't a defense of Alderson's overall job performance, but I think the Mets have drafted reasonably well over the past couple of decades. The Kumar Rocker situation last year being a bit of an exception, although not a huge loss depending on who they get with the compensatory pick this year.
   39. Adam Starblind Posted: November 11, 2021 at 07:30 AM (#6052467)
#30 if he’s an M&A associate, there are more plausible conspiracy theories about why Cohen would be talking to him.


He wants to ingratiate himself to a peon at a firm not known for M&A?
   40. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: November 11, 2021 at 08:01 AM (#6052469)
A guy whose firm pled guilty to insider trading charges...maybe he’s just trying to pump a young M&A associate for inside information. (Note I don’t think that’s what’s happening. Just saying it’s more plausible than a Chris Christie conspiracy involving a completely different part of the firm).
   41. Adam Starblind Posted: November 11, 2021 at 08:13 AM (#6052470)
That’s more insane than the Christie connection, by a mile.
   42. JJ1986 Posted: November 11, 2021 at 09:36 AM (#6052484)
Reports this morning (or last night) are that the Mets are planning to bring in David Stearns whenever he's free (he has some kind of one year option on his contract). He would come in above anyone hired this year, presumably with the power to replace them. Stupid, but explains some things. Punting a year of deGrom's prime is inexcusable.
   43. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 11, 2021 at 09:50 AM (#6052486)
Reports this morning (or last night) are that the Mets are planning to bring in David Stearns whenever he's free (he has some kind of one year option on his contract). He would come in above anyone hired this year, presumably with the power to replace them. Stupid, but explains some things. Punting a year of deGrom's prime is inexcusable.

Might has well have not searched then, if they weren't serious.
   44. Adam Starblind Posted: November 11, 2021 at 09:56 AM (#6052487)
Stupid, I agree with. I don’t see though how this constitutes punting a year of deGrom’s prime.
   45. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 11, 2021 at 11:54 AM (#6052501)
He took a team that didn't want to spend to the playoffs and world series.

He has been GM of the Mets for 12 years. They won the division that year with 90 wins. It was not a great team.

Again, the team has only had 2-3 winnings seasons. The Mets have spent at least as much as the Braves or St. Louis.

There may have been a time when he was good at what he does but there's no reason he should be actively involved in any decision making.
   46. The Duke Posted: November 11, 2021 at 03:11 PM (#6052549)
Why fire Scott if you are hiring Stearns next year? He was the perfect stop gap and it would have given him time to rehabilitate himself. If I were him I’d be asking TLR for a job.
   47. McCoy Posted: November 11, 2021 at 06:57 PM (#6052588)
Sandy has been the GM of the Mets for the 2011 through 2017 season. He had cancer in 2018 and left half way through it. Came back at the end of 2020 for the 2021 season and to basically find the guys in charge. At this point he's basically a placeholder and it appears he's largely fine with that.
   48. McCoy Posted: November 11, 2021 at 07:02 PM (#6052589)
From 2011 to 2018 the Braves went to zero WS and got into 3 playoffs. The Cards got into 2 WS and won one.
   49. JJ1986 Posted: November 11, 2021 at 07:30 PM (#6052592)
I know you're just trolling, but why is it the Mets job to let Scott rehabilitate his image?
   50. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 12, 2021 at 09:09 AM (#6052640)
From 2011 to 2018 the Braves went to zero WS and got into 3 playoffs. The Cards got into 2 WS and won one.

Ok, and what has happened since 2018? The Braves rebuilt their team into a perennial contender. They laid the foundation for that while the team under Alderson is in a shambles. The Cards have consistently been a contender.
   51. McCoy Posted: November 12, 2021 at 11:12 AM (#6052663)
Sandy left the Mets half way through the 2018 season because of cancer. It seems a good amount of people don't know that or are ignoring that and acting like Sandy has made all the decisions since the winter of 2010.
   52. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 12, 2021 at 01:32 PM (#6052687)
Reports this morning (or last night) are that the Mets are planning to bring in David Stearns whenever he's free (he has some kind of one year option on his contract).
Not to be picky, but doesn’t that reek of tampering? Maybe Manfred should consider some discipline?
   53. Howie Menckel Posted: November 12, 2021 at 01:33 PM (#6052689)
The Yankees' "pennant drought" is twice as long as the Mets one is. surely we can start some sort of "GoFundMe" page to help them out.
   54. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 12, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#6052736)
Mets fans efforts to troll the Yankees about postseason success is only slightly lamer than Red Sox fans attempts at such nonsense. The Yankees have reigned as World Series Champions 16 times in my lifetime, old guys like Andy have been around for 27. Seems like the low single digit folks would need some catching up before any snark leaves a mark.
   55. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: November 12, 2021 at 08:33 PM (#6052748)
When is the last time the Yankees went 12 years without a WS win? If all you can fall back on is "doubt da ringzzz", that's very sad.


edit...from 62-77, and then from 78 to 96. They're likely going to eclipse both of those spans in the next several years.
   56. Adam Starblind Posted: November 15, 2021 at 04:54 PM (#6053020)
The Athletic is reporting that the Mets have offered the job to Billy Eppler. For some reason.

EDIT: Rosenthal has it too now.
   57. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 15, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6053021)
Being widely reported that Eppler has been offered the GM job. No word yet on whether he will accept it, which seems a bit odd.
   58. JJ1986 Posted: November 15, 2021 at 05:16 PM (#6053024)
Even the M&A guy wouldn't sign on?

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