All three of these guys are good arms, but that's a trade you have to make, even for a rental.

MLB Pipleline has Sikkema #19, Way #21, and Champlain not among the top 30 Yankees prospects. Not a huge cost, but depth might be an issue if the Yankees were to go for Soto, too, at the deadline, which seems less likely now that they’ve acquired another outfielder.

3 HR in 93 G for an OF in 2022, that is really hard to do.

of course, the Yankees gave Matty Alou 500+ PA in 1973.

;)

Eh, a 124 OPS+ with a .389 OBP should be helpful. There are other guys who can drive him in.

Who's the headliner in this deal from the Royals' perspective?

At first glance it seems like three throw in guys and no centerpiece.

anyone have a list of Yankees prospects over the years the Yankees have handed over in deals who panned out nicely elsewhere?

I think it's an impressive one, but I can only think of one offhand.

July 31, 2010: Traded by the New York Yankees with Jimmy Paredes to the Houston Astros for Lance Berkman.

Going back a ways, Willie McGee, Fred McGriff and Jay Buhner come to mind.

anyone have a list of Yankees prospects over the years the Yankees have handed over in deals who panned out nicely elsewhere?

Interesting site here, but it hasn't been updated since 2015. Based on this, from 2015 and going back to the Randy Johnson trade of 2005, here are some prospects who went on to be at least OK:

Shane Greene - made an All-Star team, got some saves
Francisco Cervelli (not really a prospect, he was already 28 and had played in parts of 7 seasons, but had never been an everyday player) - 102 OPS+ and 9.6 WAR after leaving the Yankees
Yangervis Solarte - 6.9 career WAR
Danny Farquhar - one good season
George Kontos - good reliever for a few years
Mark Melancon - as you mentioned, excellent reliever for many years
Zach McAllister - was a PTBNL, good reliever for a few years
Arodys Vizcaino - excellent reliever for a few years
Mike Dunn - good reliever for a few years
Phil Coke - decent bullpen guy for a few years
Austin Jackson - All-Star caliber at his peak; 18.7 WAR in his first four seasons
Ian Kennedy - One Cy Young-ish year and a couple other good ones, turned into a pretty good reliever
Jose Tabata - useful fourth-outfield type
Tyler Clippard - excellent reliever for many years, well-traveled
Dioner Navarro - made an All-Star team, 7.1 career WAR

So really they haven't given up much. Melancon, Clippard, and Kennedy have had fine careers; the catchers had a few productive seasons between them; Austin Jackson was very good but faded fast. I don't see any big regrets here.

Willie McGee generated 35 WAR as a lottery ticket for Bob Sykes

I think this means the Yankees have afterwards acquired at least one member of a Red Sox championship team going back ... forever? Let's hope he has as much impact in NY as Bellhorn, Drew, and Youkilis.

Anyway, good trade for the Yankees.

Let's hope he has as much impact in NY as Bellhorn, Drew, and Youkilis.

Nah. Let's hope he has as much impact as Ellsbury.

anyone have a list of Yankees prospects over the years the Yankees have handed over in deals who panned out nicely elsewhere?

Sherman: Yankees can’t be afraid to trade more prospects before deadline

Consider that through Tuesday, there were 54 players in the majors who signed their first pro contract with the Yankees. That was third to the Astros (61) and Cardinals (57). But Houston and St. Louis have a higher volume of above-average players who started on their farms. Among position players, the Yankees have Aaron Judge and … The second best is possibly Orioles defensive whiz shortstop Jorge Mateo or Giants second baseman Thairo Estrada (remember that Gleyber Torres was originally a Cub). The next best drafted position player this year has been Rob Refsnyder (has anybody seen Brett Gardner?). The pitching is better with Nestor Cortes, Jordan Montgomery, David Robertson, Luis Severino and Garrett Whitlock. But it is not overwhelming.

The second best is possibly Orioles defensive whiz shortstop Jorge Mateo or Giants second baseman Thairo Estrada

RIP Gary Sanchez.

Not trying to derail the thread, but will Benintendi get vaxxed if the Yankees have a playoff series with Toronto? Merrifield essentially said he would if traded to a contender, but the Royals season wasn't worth it to him.

Orioles defensive whiz shortstop Jorge Mateo

I thought both the Yankees and the Padres were down on his SS defense as a prospect...did both mis-read him, or is this more a case of his speed and other tools coming together and turning the corner? (Or is it just random noise and an athletic player have a good half-season worth of defensive play?)

Nah. Let's hope he has as much impact as Ellsbury.

I know he got paid a lot of money, but Ellsbury did give the Yanks just a shade under 10 WAR (9.8) in 4 years, including 3.6 his first year. I really hope Benintendi doesn't do as well as Ellsbury did that first year.

this is the first year anyone has played Mateo full time at SS and he seems to rank about 5th in MLB in fielding SS per statcast and fangraphs. At about plus 10 runs. Might be a little undervalued as he's part of 50 DPs in 90 games and cut down at least 8 runners on the basepaths. So maybe a handful of runs undervalued.

Jay Buhner come to mind.

Well, Buhner was a good prospect, no question about it. But my baseball people loved Ken Phelps’ bat. They kept saying “Ken Phelps, Ken Phelps.”

Not trying to derail the thread, but will Benintendi get vaxxed if the Yankees have a playoff series with Toronto? Merrifield essentially said he would if traded to a contender, but the Royals season wasn't worth it to him.

According to the NY Post, Benintendi said he'll get vaccinated.

I know it's a wonderful scene, but there's a reason Bill James called the best generally available players Phelpsers. Ken Phelps was freely available for years. Hell in his first extended shot he hit .241/.378/.521 (149 OPS+) and the Mariners paid to replace him (as clear a sign as you could ask for that a guy is available)

It's always amused me that in his decline phase he commanded a legitimate prospect. Though he did decline much, much faster than I expected. It's not like the Yankees wouldn't have regretted the deal if they'd got two good years out of Phelps.

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Word is, Benintendi has told folks he will get the vaccination. Trade is final, so Yankees must believe he will.

You'd have to be a bleeping idiot if you'd choose being an unvaccinated Royal over being a vaccinated Yankee. Maybe Benintendi's just not that crazy.

You should be taking a battery of shots just to live and work in NYC every day.

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Benintendi says his Covid vaccination status hasn’t changed, though he is open to it. Adds it was not something that he had to agree with trade to Yankees.

So really they haven't given up much. Melancon, Clippard, and Kennedy have had fine careers; the catchers had a few productive seasons between them; Austin Jackson was very good but faded fast. I don't see any big regrets here.

Kennedy and Jackson went out as part of the 3-way trade that netted the Yanks Curtis Granderson, netted the Tigers Jackson and Max Scherzer (winners!) and the DBacks got Kennedy and Edwin Jackson. Granderson gave the Yanks 15 WAR in 4 years (missed half a season) but I don't know if there was an extension involved. Kennedy gave the DBacks 8 WAR in 4 seasons; A Jackson gave Detroit 20 WAR in 4+ seasons and Seattle another 1.5 before his FA would have kicked in.

So the Tigers got 20 WAR out of Jackson and 21 out of Scherzer, big win there. Arizona woud rather not think about this one although, in fairness, E Jackson was coming off two good years. And the Yanks ... coulda held onto A Jackson, traded Kennedy and a SP directly for Scherzer.

Benintendi says his Covid vaccination status hasn’t changed, though he is open to it.

Since the Yankees don't return to Toronto until September 26th, his current status isn't really that important.

Arizona woud rather not think about this one

As a DBacks fan, I know that sometimes you have to pay a little extra to get that final piece, our 2011 NL West champions banner will fly forever!

Ellsbury Yankees bWAR 9.8
Ken Phelps career bWAR 9.4

Would have been kind of cool if MlB teams had routinely traded Andrew to whichever team was about to play in Toronto.

Joey Gallo has 191 strikeouts in 138 games since coming to NY. He has more bWAR than the 4 players Texas received for him. Cashman is that good.

Joey Gallo has 191 strikeouts in 138 games since coming to NY. He has more bWAR than the 4 players Texas received for him. Cashman is that good.

Classic lose-lose trade. Both teams would have been better off if they had just waived every player involved.

some counter-examples from Joel Sherman in the NY Post today (link is in Post 12):

"I remember in 1995 that the minor league wing of the Yankees organization fought like hell not to include a pitching prospect named Marty Janzen for David Cone. The Yankees don’t make the playoffs for the first time in 14 years without Cone. Janzen had a 6.39 ERA in 27 career major league games.

"The following season there was outrage about trading a first-round pick named Matt Drews for Cecil Fielder, who only helped the Yanks win a World Series. Drews never appeared in a major league game. In 2003, Brandon Claussen pitched wonderfully in his major league debut in the Subway Series, so it was treated as if Whitey Ford was dispatched when a month later he was dealt to the Reds for Aaron Boone, who later in that season would hit a pretty huge homer you might have seen or heard about."

You'd have to be a bleeping idiot if you'd choose being an unvaccinated Royal over being a vaccinated Yankee. Maybe Benintendi's just not that crazy.

Well, an unvaccinated Royal gets a nice weeklong vacation just before the All Star break, while a vaccinated Yankee gets to play in the postseason. Why choose when you can be both?

I wouldn't make this trade with bubble gum cards.

"Well, you can't have that guy, because I want to keep him. And you can't have that guy, because I want to trade him for somebody else. I'll give you three commons, though."

Both teams would have been better off if they had just waived every player involved.

I don't get it. Otto stinks, but Duran and Smith are both prospects.

Yep, evaluating Texas' end of the Gallo trade (or any similar prospect trade) after 1 year is pointless unless maybe it's a pitching prospect deal and the guy's under the knife already. Duran cracked the top 100 pre-season, put up a >900 OPS at AA/AAA this year with 43 XBH in 285 PAs, now in the majors where he's holding his own through his first 89 PAs and he's 23. Smith looks pretty meh, lost his power with the move above A+. Hauver is doing OK but he's 23 at A+ (college draftee) so at best might be a useful late-bloomer. Otto -- who knows, he's a pitcher, high Ks in the minors, certainly hasn't found his ML stuff yet.

So Tex could end up with zilch or they could end up with an above-average 3B in Duran and maybe a useful guy out of the other three.

And Hauver. Hauver and Smith have put up good OBP in the minors but it's a walk heavy OBP and that's the least predictable part of any MLE.


I don't expect Hauver to make it but I like the odds of at least one of Duran and Smith being a useful player.

Now, since we've veered into the topic it's

The All-Gall team

C: Cam Gallagher
1B: ???
2B: Mike Gallego
SS: Chick Galloway (below replacement career)
3B: Al Gallagher
OF: Dave Gallagher
OF: Joey Gallo
SP: Yovani Gallardo
SP: Zac Gallen
SP: Bert Gallia
SP: Hub "The Gallatin Squash" Perdue (not normally eligible but look at that nickname! He's on every team he's remotely eligible for)
RP: Giovanny Gallegos and lots of short-career guys I'm not gonna bother with including the one half of you are thinking of

If we further stretch the nickname rules, apparently we can stick Wil "El Gallo" Myers at 1B but I've got my doubts about some of these b-r nicknames. We could put Gallo there and add Joe "Muscles" Gallagher as a useless OF.

EDIT: Oops thought I had 3 OF so I guess Muscles is already in the lineup. There are some other very non-descript short-time OFs.

Hub "The Gallatin Squash" Perdue (not normally eligible but look at that nickname! He's on every team he's remotely eligible for)

Sigh... If he came up today his nickname would be Hubby or Perdy.

Now, since we've veered into the topic it's

The All-Gall team

C: Cam Gallagher
1B: ???

Who is Jon Gall?