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Monday, January 31, 2011

Neyer leaving ESPN

A Quick Programming Note ...

Fifteen years ago, I moved to Seattle to work for a company called Starwave. The company did a lot of things, but I was hired—and this might surprise you—mostly to edit fantasy-related content for a website called ESPNet.SportsZone.com; a few years later, we became the ESPN.com that everyone knows and loves so well.

Frankly, it’s a minor miracle that I’ve been here ever since. I was the new guy, didn’t know how I was supposed to behave, and somewhat routinely ran afoul of my bosses and their bosses. I owe a great deal to their good graces, and I’m sorry I can’t thank everyone who’s allowed me to do what I love for so long. I will toss extra hosannas to Geoff Reiss, David Schoenfield, and David Kull, for reasons they know only too well. Collectively, they’re No. 2 on the all-time list.

You’re No. 1.

Whether you’ve been reading my ramblings since 1996 or just since last week, you have my profound, impossible-to-express-in-words gratitude. There is not a working writer on Earth who’s more grateful than I for his readers. Without you, I would have nothing.

Today, I hand off this space to whoever’s next. I don’t know yet who is next, but I’m highly confident that this blog and the SweetSpot Network will soon be in excellent hands.

Meanwhile, I’ll be around. The kids tell me it’s all about search these days. You won’t have to search real hard to find me, if you want.

Happy trails, until we meet again.

Paul D(uda) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 07:53 PM | 181 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The District Attorney Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:04 PM (#3740173)
My friend snarked: "Where will I get my daily links to Joe Posnanski and Fangraphs?"

Seriously, though... end of an era. Very sudden, kind of weird end of an era...

Best of luck to Rob on his new gig at Bleacher Report!
   2. Mark Armour Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:06 PM (#3740176)
Thanks, Russ. I will be sure to use the Google to find you tomorrow.
   3. Xander Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:10 PM (#3740186)
Thanks for all the good work Rob.
   4. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:10 PM (#3740187)
Wow. Best of luck, Rob, and I hope this is a welcome change for you.
   5. Guapo Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:11 PM (#3740189)
Today, I hand off this space to whoever’s next. I don’t know yet who is next


I hear Ike Farrell is available.
   6. chemdoc Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:12 PM (#3740191)
I'm going to assume he's replacing Olbermann at MSNBC until I hear otherwise. Best wishes, good sir.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:12 PM (#3740193)
Interesting. Rob Neyer is the first writer I found on the internet that I read regularly. He was my entry into sabermetrics, my introduction to Bill James, and I believe I even found this site because of him. I remember the flannel and the blue sweater.

I'm kinda glad he's leaving ESPN because I don't read any of their content for a myriad of reasons and that includes not reading Neyer since the ill-fated decision by his bosses to put him in INSIDER briefly. I'm interested in seeing where he turns up next and I'd like to begin reading his stuff regularly again.
   8. smileyy Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:16 PM (#3740201)
There's a clear chain from me reading Rob Neyer on ESPN to me being on this website. I'm not saying I wouldn't have gotten here otherwise, but my interests in more extensive analysis of sports on the internet goes back to Neyer.
   9. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:18 PM (#3740205)
In terms of marrying writing ability with a command of the subject matter, Rob is the best around, in my opinion. I really hope he has another outlet for his work.
   10. hokieneer Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:19 PM (#3740206)
I share the sentiments of #7 and #8.

Best of luck Rob.
   11. Champions Table Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:21 PM (#3740208)
My most mortifying professional moment involves pissing off Rob Neyer. Once again: My apologies, sir. You remain right up there with Fergie and Jesus in my personal Hall of Merit.
   12. RatSalade Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:21 PM (#3740209)
In semi-related news, Dean Oliver (basketball stats guru formerly with Denver) is ESPN's new Director of Production Analytics beginning in February. That's for all sports, not just basketball.
   13. Tim Marchman Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:24 PM (#3740212)
Rob Neyer is probably the most influential baseball writer of his generation, has helped the careers of more or less everyone who's currently writing anything you think is worth reading, and is just the most solid dude. There will be pints raised to the expectation of him doing spectacularly well in his next endeavor in Hyde Park tonight.
   14. NJ in NJ Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:24 PM (#3740213)
Rob Neyer is the first writer I found on the internet that I read regularly. He was my entry into sabermetrics, my introduction to Bill James, and I believe I even found this site because of him. I remember the flannel and the blue sweater.

This.
   15. Matthew E Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:25 PM (#3740215)
Bad for ESPN.com, but, depending on what Neyer's new setup is, maybe good for everybody else.

Anybody think there's any chance a ballclub has hired him to do analysis?
   16. Randy Jones Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:26 PM (#3740218)
Interesting. Rob Neyer is the first writer I found on the internet that I read regularly. He was my entry into sabermetrics, my introduction to Bill James, and I believe I even found this site because of him. I remember the flannel and the blue sweater.


Same for me.
   17. Mattbert Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:27 PM (#3740220)
I too share the sentiments of #7 and #8. Neyer was the gateway drug.

Happy trails, Rob.
   18. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:28 PM (#3740221)
In semi-related news, Dean Oliver (basketball stats guru formerly with Denver) is ESPN's new Director of Production Analytics beginning in February. That's for all sports, not just basketball.

Link? Also, please post that on the NBA thread.

****

Best of luck, Rob - you've done a lot of really good work, keep it up.
   19. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:31 PM (#3740228)
One more here who got started with the baseball stats and the numbers and the spreadsheets and glavin through Neyer. I got Insider recently, and it had been a pleasure to read him again.

Hard to imagine Neyer leaving for something other than a writing / editing gig. He's not an analyst - and, anyway, if it were a consulting gig, he'd announce it. ESPN would only keep him from mentioning the new position if it were a competing one in the sportswriting field.
   20. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:32 PM (#3740229)
BPro?
   21. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq., LLC Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:32 PM (#3740230)
If this means he's bringing back the flannel, I'm all for it. If not, go to hell.
   22. rr Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:35 PM (#3740231)
Maybe Neyer is replacing Repoz here.
   23. Repoz Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:36 PM (#3740232)
On the same day Steve Kettmann friends me on FB no less!
   24. deputydrew Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:36 PM (#3740237)
Thanks, Rob. I've read millions of your words and have found them to be both thought-provoking and entertaining.

I'd like to point out one of his lesser-known articles that I have referred to many times: The Rob Neyer Essential Baseball Library. It's almost seven years old now, but I check it at least a couple of times a year when I'm looking for my next read. http://tinyurl.com/4gwxhjg
   25. Russ Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:37 PM (#3740241)
Hopefully Rob is going to the New York Times, which would cause the probability of Murray Chass's head exploding to increase three-fold.
   26. RatSalade Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:40 PM (#3740242)
In semi-related news, Dean Oliver (basketball stats guru formerly with Denver) is ESPN's new Director of Production Analytics beginning in February. That's for all sports, not just basketball.

Link? Also, please post that on the NBA thread.


Personal correspondence.
   27. The Buddy Biancalana Hit Counter Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:43 PM (#3740245)
Link?


Here you go.
   28. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:45 PM (#3740247)
There's a clear chain from me reading Rob Neyer on ESPN to me being on this website. I'm not saying I wouldn't have gotten here otherwise, but my interests in more extensive analysis of sports on the internet goes back to Neyer.


Same here.
   29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:47 PM (#3740249)

In semi-related news, Dean Oliver (basketball stats guru formerly with Denver) is ESPN's new Director of Production Analytics beginning in February. That's for all sports, not just basketball.


Not to take this off topic, but I was pretty amazed that Dick Vitale was using stats like offensive efficiency with some regularity in the game Saturday night.

I think the infiltration of advanced statistics in all sports owes at least small credit to Neyer, who really took the ideas of others and made them mainstream.
   30. villageidiom Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:49 PM (#3740250)
Good luck, Rob. I don't know if you're moving toward your dreams and goals, or moving away from someplace that clearly isn't either. Regardless, I know you'll do well, and I hope you enjoy it.

I also hope you'll be more free to participate here, of course.
   31. Taverna Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:51 PM (#3740252)
The day... the music died......
   32. Lassus Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:53 PM (#3740254)
From that random guy who ran into you at the now-closed Coliseum on 42nd when you and Belth were paired up for that Flood thingamajig, congrats on leaving the WWL. You were definitely my Bill James at the start of my SABR reading.
   33. Gary Truth Serum Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:54 PM (#3740255)
My money is on him replacing Regis, but best of luck in whatever comes his way.
   34. Rough Carrigan Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:55 PM (#3740258)
He's been there so long he started to not even notice the smell.
   35. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:57 PM (#3740261)
Maybe Neyer's going to take over at 8 PM on MSNBC and Olberman's going to take over his spot at ESPN.com.
   36. SoSH U at work Posted: January 31, 2011 at 08:58 PM (#3740262)
Rob wasn't my gateway drug to sabermetrics, since James was my pusher more than a decade earlier. But the Rob Neyer Message Board was my introduction to spending too much time trading comments with miscreants from all over the world.

Thanks, I guess?

Best of luck Rob.
   37. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:08 PM (#3740275)
Jeff Fisher to MSNBC, Olbermann to ESPN, and Neyer to Tennessee.

And Sarah Palin.
   38. Zoppity Zoop Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:11 PM (#3740281)
So, was Szymborski much cheaper or something?
   39. chemdoc Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:19 PM (#3740286)
Jeff Fisher to MSNBC, Olbermann to ESPN, and Neyer to Tennessee.

And Sarah Palin Mike Crudale.


There.
   40. birdlives is one crazy ninja Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:20 PM (#3740290)
Truly sad news. I feel like doing a player A versus player B analysis in honor of him.
   41. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:20 PM (#3740291)
Szym works for cheeseburgers and classical CDs.
   42. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:22 PM (#3740293)
Good luck to Mr. Neyer.

I mean that statement though I have been routinely disappointed by his representation of this community to other audiences. He's fine among 'us nerds'. Outside of his element he does not convey the message needed.

Alan Schwarz is far superior for example.
   43. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:24 PM (#3740295)
Best of luck to Rob. But the big question on Action News:
NAY-er, NI-er or some other pronunciation -- I've never heard his name spoken.
   44. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:25 PM (#3740297)
I remember he once wrote its "Neyer, as in Cuddyer."
   45. Monty Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:25 PM (#3740299)
I'm pretty sure Rob led me to baseball-reference.com back when there was a link directly from there to Primer. Thanks, Rob!
   46. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:30 PM (#3740306)
The world is always in need of good translators, and Neyer has been one of the best. Good luck to him wherever he goes.
   47. Colin Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:31 PM (#3740307)
I'll chime in as another data point of having Rob as one of my entry points into thinking about baseball beyond the basoic stats. I'd already done a fair bit of that on Usenet, but Rob made it accessible and fun to read, as more of a truth-to-mainstream-power voice. I think he played a tremendously important role in popularizing a more thoughtful approach to the game.

I too am surprised he was with them this long; he had been a daily bookmark read for me prior to the Insider decision.
   48. George Brett Barberie Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:35 PM (#3740311)
Without question, the way that I think about baseball and sports in general has been heavily influenced by Rob's writing and I certainly found my way here a decade ago because of him. All the best in whatever you choose to do next, Rob. I'll always be grateful.
   49. Javy Joan Baez (chris h.) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:41 PM (#3740320)
For those unaware, he hasn't been behind the Insider paywall for quite some time now.

Anyway...like so many others, he caused me to discover baseball-reference.com, bbtf, fangraphs, and many others. Certainly my "gateway drug" as #17 put it.
   50. Foghorn Leghorn Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:47 PM (#3740329)
I'd already done a fair bit of that on Usenet, but Rob made it accessible and fun to read,[/quoteWhat? Sam and me arguing wasn't accessible and "fun to read"?!
   51. 33Boots Posted: January 31, 2011 at 09:51 PM (#3740335)
I read the James abstracts when I was a kid, but drifted away from baseball in my teens, and Neyer is the guy who brought me back. ITA, without exaggeration, he's one of the most important baseball writers of all time. James is the godfather, but Neyer is the writer most responsible for popularizing sabremetrics and bringing it to the masses (helped a lot by Gammons' early adoption once he started reading Neyer). And the popularization of sabremetrics hasn't just been for the fans, it's directly influenced the direction of almost every front office in baseball, and totally changed the way rosters are constructed.

Besides that, hell of a nice guy, and very skilled at making (relatively)advanced math easy to understand. Hopefully, he's landing somewhere else high profile.
   52. Cowboy Popup Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:12 PM (#3740354)
Rob Neyer is the first writer I found on the internet that I read regularly. He was my entry into sabermetrics, my introduction to Bill James, and I believe I even found this site because of him. I remember the flannel and the blue sweater.

Like so many others here, this describes me perfectly. Thanks for opening my eyes Rob, good luck!
   53. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:12 PM (#3740355)
he was also the first one to point out (to a large audience, anyway) what a horrible fielder Jeter was/is. Boy did THAT create a shitstorm
   54. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:21 PM (#3740360)
Happy trails & good luck to Rob.

Rob Neyer is probably the most influential baseball writer of his generation,

Good point. About 10 years ago, when you wanted sabermetrics on the internet, you went to Neyer. There was him and BPro & the latter was still coming into prominence (for me anyway). Internet sabermetrics has expanded considerably from there, obviously, but Neyer remains Patient Zero for sabermetric's revival on the internet.
   55. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:25 PM (#3740362)
@53: This is where I give Neyer the most credit: he was the first guy to take stathead numbers into the mainstream — on radio, on ESPN news, on podcasts, and on the website — and he was willing to brave the on-air attacks from The Conventional Wisdom and let his name be used as a punch line. Rob was at the forefront in making deep analysis acceptable and, eventually, popular. Where ever he's going, he'll be writing. I only hope we get to read him.

Kudos, sir, and kudos again!
   56. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:34 PM (#3740371)
Repoz is leaving?
   57. J. Bowman, upon reflection, does hate pants Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:41 PM (#3740378)
Sure, now that I finally get a full-time job, Neyer's position opens up.
   58. Famous Original Joe C Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:41 PM (#3740380)
I too share the sentiments of #7 and #8. Neyer was the gateway drug.

Count me in this group as well. Reading Rob led me to both BB-Ref and BBTF, and really started getting me interested in this stuff.
Thanks and good luck to you Rob; I'll find you wherever you turn up.
   59. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:41 PM (#3740381)
Rob 100% introduced me to this site. I'm guessing whatever he does next, as long as it's (at least tangentially) baseball-related, he'll still be linked here. Hopefully he won't be missing from the interwebs for long.
   60. AJMcCringleberry Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:43 PM (#3740383)
Rob Neyer is the first writer I found on the internet that I read regularly. He was my entry into sabermetrics, my introduction to Bill James, and I believe I even found this site because of him. I remember the flannel and the blue sweater.

Me too. Judging by this thread Neyer is responsible for about 20% of the traffic here.
   61. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:43 PM (#3740384)
I remember he once wrote its "Neyer, as in Cuddyer."


I've always known how "Neyer" was pronounced, but never been sure of "Cuddyer", so that helps a lot.
   62. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 10:48 PM (#3740388)
You remain right up there with Fergie and Jesus in my personal Hall of Merit.


So your personal Hall of Merit consists of the founder of Christianity and...the former Duchess of York?
   63. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:03 PM (#3740398)
Jeff Fisher to MSNBC, Olbermann to ESPN, and Neyer to Tennessee.

You forgot about Mubarak.
   64. "Catching Dianetics" by Dr. L. Ron Karkovice Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:04 PM (#3740400)
"Rav Neyer" (more on that later) was also my introduction to basic sabr-matics and more "modern" analysis of the game of baseball. I began reading his columns around 1997 and while I no longer read him regularly, he led me down the path that now finds me hanging out at places like BBTF.

Anyhow, one of my Rabbi friends (yeah, I am secretly one of the handful of orthodox jews that hangs out on BBTF)...a real "all-in" type...i.e. black hat, long beard, etc. had a secret (at least to his wife) obsession with reading Rob Neyer's columns (this is around 1998). Whenever we would see one another on Shabbat at synagogue, we would chat about the latest Neyer columns. We eventually took to referring to him as "Rav Neyer". ('Rav" being an expression in the Yeshiva world reserved for one's eminent spiritual teacher, leader, authority and advisor...kind of like Yogi or Maharaja). Anyhow, it stuck, and I still find myself referring to him as Rav Neyer.
   65. Dan Szymborski Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:05 PM (#3740403)
I don't think statheads that came of age in the 21st century fully realize just how important a figure Rob has been in the sabermetric community. Usenet never became relevant to your average fan and BP was a very niche product. Pre-Moneyball, Rob was the conduit between 90s statheads and the general public.
   66. cardsfanboy Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:10 PM (#3740416)
agree with all the sentiments expressed here, (I didn't know he came out from behind the insider wall though, I just stopped going to ESPN except for their free agent tracker, and sorting stats by players position features, and when they had component era)

I agree with Andy, he was a translator, bpro was always too techy and/or mean spirited to be a good entry example, but I have at least four friends I got into Neyer who continue to enjoy following baseball.
   67. BWV 1129 Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:11 PM (#3740417)
- You remain right up there with Fergie and Jesus in my personal Hall of Merit.

So your personal Hall of Merit consists of the founder of Christianity and...the former Duchess of York?


She puts them boys on rock rock.
   68. 185/456(GGC) Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:12 PM (#3740420)
So, was Szymborski much cheaper or something?


They saw the article on Voros and hired him instead. I assume one of the things Rob is working on is another book. I wish him luck.
   69. asinwreck Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:21 PM (#3740424)
Steven Goldman posted at BP today that big changes are afoot there: "In the coming weeks, you will be seeing many new names here, some who carry great reputations with them, others rookies and tyros in every sense of the word." Perhaps the timing of that announcement is a coincidence, or Rob and Steven stirred the tea leaves today. Either way, I imagine Rob is going where he wants to be by his choice, unlike his old Starwave colleague John Sickels (who was given an unceremonious heave-ho from The Worldwide Leader).
   70. Mark Donelson Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:27 PM (#3740433)
Rob Neyer is the first writer I found on the internet that I read regularly. He was my entry into sabermetrics, my introduction to Bill James, and I believe I even found this site because of him. I remember the flannel and the blue sweater.

Yep, I'm another. I'd read the Bill James HOF book before encountering him, but it was Neyer who really took the scales from my eyes. (I think initially by forcing me to confront the fact that Don Mattingly was not really THAT much better than Cecil Cooper. Oooh, how I fought that one.)
   71. Repoz Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3740436)
Steven Goldman posted at BP today that big changes are afoot there: "In the coming weeks, you will be seeing many new names here, some who carry great reputations with them, others rookies and tyros in every sense of the word."

Wow...first Goldman & Jaffe sit on the same panel as Dandy Dan Schlossberg and now they might take Neyer on board.

Boy, have they lowered the standards (ducks flying flannel full of poo).
   72. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:42 PM (#3740445)
Wow...first Goldman & Jaffe sit on the same panel as Dandy Dan Schlossberg

Huh? Oh.
   73. Dock Ellis Posted: January 31, 2011 at 11:45 PM (#3740446)
In terms of my intellectual coming-of-age, Rob Neyer is to baseball as what Nirvana was to rock-n-roll and Salinger was to literature. His writing single-handedly brought me out of my self-imposed baseball blackout some 13 years ago.

Good luck to him.
   74. DJ Endless Grudge Is Nobody's Disciple Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3740456)
Neyer isn't coming to BP, so far as I know.
   75. 668 - Neighbour of the Beast Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3740459)
Count me among the converts via Rob. James was first, but Rob was there everyday flying the flannel, and for that I am grateful.

Good luck to you sir. I hope you land in a happier place.
   76. scrantonicity Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:05 AM (#3740461)
I echo the sentiments of 7 and 8 and raise them this: Neyer was the first writer to make me realize that not everything the MSM wrote could be swallowed whole. And not just the baseball MSM or the sports MSM - all of it (I was pretty naive). I read every column he wrote until he went Insider, and not a single one since. From that day I haven't been back to that godawful website except to check what was on actual ESPN.

Thanks Rob, if you're reading this.
   77. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3740465)
Neyer was also my gateway drug, though nowadays I mostly hang out in the Lounge, discussing breakfast cereal, television, and (sometimes) baseball.
   78. ckash Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3740467)
I got my first home computer in 1999 and Rob was the first internet writer that really grabbed my attention. Thanks to his work I rediscovered my love for baseball and he opened my eyes to a new way of thinking. Here's hoping he continues his writing and analysis.
   79. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3740471)
I said as much to Rob, but I owe a lot to him. Even if I was involved in sabermetrics before he joined ESPN, getting to make most of my living doing something I really love would have been much less likely if not for him. And there are a ton of guys who can say that, too.
   80. Dan Szymborski Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:21 AM (#3740473)
Szym works for cheeseburgers and classical CDs.

Disney's a big corporation. I get double cheeseburgers and SACDs.

Actually, the funniest thing about working for ESPN is having a physical contract with Mickey Mouse printed on it.
   81. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:30 AM (#3740476)
Neyer brought me to this world as well. Thanks Rob, and best of luck!
   82. Javy Joan Baez (chris h.) Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:31 AM (#3740479)
Neyer was the first writer to make me realize that not everything the MSM wrote could be swallowed whole. And not just the baseball MSM or the sports MSM - all of it (I was pretty naive).


This is a terrific point. Oddly I was always skeptical of most MSM, but for some reason not at all about sports media until I discovered Rob. And then BPro, etc. It was eye-opening.

So I say again thank you, Rob, for teaching me that vital lesson. Also, most of my friends thank you for turning me into a snobbish, elitist sports #######. :)
   83. Javy Joan Baez (chris h.) Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3740482)
and SACDs

Those still exist? Really? I...I had no idea.
   84. Johnny Tuttle Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3740486)
Count me in as another Primate via Neyer. Neyer and Sheehan. In the late 90s, apart from having a roommate who wrote from BP, they were my conduit into sabermetrics and here and elsewhere. Heck, I never bothered with ESPN.com at all before Neyer.

Neyer at BP? That would be something.

ESPN just lost 1 of 3 reasons I ever go to their site anymore, and I suspect #1 is going soon, too, anyways (I'm embarrassed to say it's the Sports Guy, who's over-reliance on podcasts seems to hint that he's also done with writing for the network).
   85. MY PAIN IS NOT A HOLIDAY (CoB). Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3740488)
Actually, the funniest thing about working for ESPN is having a physical contract with Mickey Mouse printed on it.


Just remember Dan, as Harlan Ellison wrote in "The 3 Most Important Things in Life",
"At Disney, nobody ##### with The Mouse."

[edit] Which I recommend everyone to read, if you haven't, it's one of my favorite Ellison pieces (and it's short) ...
   86. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:53 AM (#3740502)
Another in the Neyer Army. I was in college, Pedro Martinez was the greatest pitcher in the universe, and Neyer armed me with the information to prove it. I ended up on his boards (under a different name), where I learned anonymous thuggery, which has stood me well in the last 11 years.
   87. Astro Logical Sign Stealer Posted: February 01, 2011 at 12:59 AM (#3740507)
Never saw him wear flannel (in person).
   88. The_Ex Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:00 AM (#3740508)
IF BP can outbid ESPN then they must be selling a lot of subscriptions.

Maybe Rob will team with Bill James again and participate in the subscription business, thereby refuting my point in the previous line.

Seriously, who is making a lot of money in the interwebs baseball business?
   89. Srul Itza Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3740512)
the Rob Neyer Message Board was my introduction to spending too much time trading comments with miscreants from all over the world.


What was your handle there?

I was a Rob Neyer Message Boarder for a long time, and was part of the migration over here. Neyer was my introduction to sabermetrics.
   90. Srul Itza Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3740517)
James is the godfather, but Neyer is the writer most responsible for popularizing sabremetrics and bringing it to the masses


James = Jesus
Neyer = Paul?
   91. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:15 AM (#3740521)
Neyer brought me to this world as well.


Luke...I am your father.
   92. DJ Endless Grudge Is Nobody's Disciple Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:17 AM (#3740523)
Okay, let's try this again.

Hi, my name is Colin Wyers. You may have seen me in movies like "Line drives or LIE drives?" and "I'm not Nate Silver, but somebody's got to do it."

I know who IS on Steve's list of new writers, and it ain't Rob Neyer.
   93. Johnny Tuttle Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:19 AM (#3740525)
Redacted: I can't badger CW for an advanced look at the names by asking here.

This is a thread about Neyer after all; I shouldn't let it go astray.

Any thoughts on Neyer's next steps? I thought he might go on to his books, but I am curious if we see him doing something similar elsewhere on the webs or if he's really done with the frequent but shorter format.
   94. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3740529)
Bleacher Report!
   95. Greg Pope Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:27 AM (#3740532)
I was a Rob Neyer Message Boarder for a long time, and was part of the migration over here. Neyer was my introduction to sabermetrics.

Same here. I remember not actually being able to figure out what your name was because it was jammed together and I couldn't tell if the "I" was an "I" or an "L". Plus the non-standard name.
   96. DJ Endless Grudge Is Nobody's Disciple Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:30 AM (#3740533)
Kaufman says Neyer isn't going to Bleacher Report. My totally uninformed guess is Yahoo.
   97. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3740535)
I'm sure it was Neyer that introduced me to Primer. Was it really only ten years ago?
   98. UCCF Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3740536)
Just to jump in - I found old Primer through a Neyer column (I believe about Jeter).

He's tended to be level-headed even as those around him (especially here) acted like idiots, so for that - among many many other things - he is to be commended. I hope he pops up again and continues to educate and entertain.
   99. 185/456(GGC) Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:35 AM (#3740538)
I'm the reverse of a lot of people. Primer introduced me to Neyer. I didn't realize that I read him 10 years earlier when he wrote some stuff in Bill James's Baseball Books.
   100. Fourth True Outcome Posted: February 01, 2011 at 01:41 AM (#3740541)
So this is one of those Deadspin-style sex scandals, right? Sexual harassment of some PNW intern?

More seriously, like everyone else, he was one of the first writers who helped me make sense of the newfangled statistics. Here's hoping wherever he ends up doesn't hide him behind a paywall.
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