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Wednesday, July 29, 2020

Nick Markakis is opting back in to the 2020 season

David O’Brien of The Athletic reports that Markakis is rejoining the Braves, three weeks after he opted out. In so doing he becomes the first of the 14 major-league players who have so far opted-out to change his mind. “Markakis felt as if he had let the team down, particularly as he watched the Braves on TV during their opening 2-3 road trip,” O’Brien writes.

That contrasts with his comments back on July 6, when he opted out. In announcing his decision then Markakis said, “with everything that’s going on not just in baseball but in the world, it makes you open your eyes. I’ve got three kids that I’ve missed for 11 years now.” It was also reported at the time that the fact that teammate Freddie Freeman fell ill with COVID-19 shook Markakis. Freeman has since recovered and is playing. No doubt that has impacted his decision as well.

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   1. The Duke Posted: July 29, 2020 at 04:10 PM (#5966711)
Good for him - he was letting his teammates down. Just as importantly, he keeps the embers of a HOF induction still burning
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 29, 2020 at 04:19 PM (#5966712)
I’ve got three kids that I’ve missed for 11 years now.”
"Turns out, they're not all that great, as I have now learned."
   3. aberg Posted: July 29, 2020 at 04:28 PM (#5966715)
He was worried that he would put himself at risk by playing baseball in the pandemic, but after an opening weekend where only one of the 30 teams was completely annihilated by the virus, he was reassured enough to play.
   4. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 29, 2020 at 04:45 PM (#5966720)
Is that even legal?
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: July 29, 2020 at 04:56 PM (#5966723)

HITS

123. Mickey Mantle+ (18) 2415
124. Sammy Sosa (18) 2408
125. Miguel Tejada (16) 2407
126. Stuffy McInnis (19) 2405
127. Ryne Sandberg+ (16) 2386
128. Enos Slaughter+ (19) 2383
129. Chili Davis (19) 2380
130. Edd Roush+ (18) 2376
131. Brett Butler (17) 2375
Michael Young (14) 2375
133. Lou Whitaker (19) 2369
134. Alan Trammell+ (20) 2365
135. Carlton Fisk+ (24) 2356
136. NICK MARKAKIS (14) 2355

DOUBLES
53. Joe Cronin+ (20) 515
54. Edgar Martinez+ (18) 514
55. Mark Grace (16) 511
Jimmy Rollins (17) 511
57. Rickey Henderson+ (25) 510
58. Babe Ruth+ (22) 506
59. Tony Perez+ (23) 505
60. Roberto Alomar+ (17) 504
61. Andre Dawson+ (21) 503
62. Goose Goslin+ (18) 500
John Olerud (17) 500
64. NICK MARKAKIS (14) 499
Rusty Staub (23) 499


(and no, he does not have a shot at the HOF)

MOST CAREER DOUBLES, not in HOF and not eligible

17. Barry Bonds (22) 601
18. Luis Gonzalez (19) 596
19. Todd Helton (17) 592
20. Rafael Palmeiro (20) 585
25. Bobby Abreu (18) 574
30. Jeff Kent (17) 560
34. Manny Ramirez (19) 547
43. Al Oliver (18) 529
45. Dave Parker (19) 526
49. Garret Anderson (17) 522
Johnny Damon (18) 522
   6. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: July 29, 2020 at 05:07 PM (#5966727)

He was worried that he would put himself at risk by playing baseball in the pandemic, but after an opening weekend where only one of the 30 teams was completely annihilated by the virus after likely catching it in Atlanta, he was reassured enough to play.

FTFY
   7. JJ1986 Posted: July 29, 2020 at 05:10 PM (#5966728)
he was letting his teammates down
You are a bad person.
   8. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: July 29, 2020 at 05:11 PM (#5966729)
"Turns out, they're not all that great, as I have now learned."


"When I found out I was going to have to help with the homeschooling..."
   9. Booey Posted: July 29, 2020 at 05:13 PM (#5966731)
The quest for 3000 and automatic 1st ballot HOF induction is officially BACK ON!

;-D
   10. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: July 29, 2020 at 05:18 PM (#5966733)
He could hear his biological clock ticking.
   11. JRVJ Posted: July 29, 2020 at 05:33 PM (#5966736)
It's his decision.

It's a WEIRD decision, but what can you do, you know.
   12. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: July 29, 2020 at 05:56 PM (#5966739)
Like a lot of recently retired people, maybe Nick didn't think it all the way through and...

Nick's wife just told him to get out of the house and go do something, he's driving her crazy!
   13. Justin Turner Overdrive Posted: July 29, 2020 at 09:29 PM (#5966786)
He could hear his biological clock ticking.


And now I have the image of him in a bodysuit stamping his foot on the cabin porch floorboards.

Thanks for the nightmares.
   14. bfan Posted: July 30, 2020 at 07:45 AM (#5966841)
but after an opening weekend where only one of the 30 teams was completely annihilated by the virus, he was reassured enough to play.





annihilate : to cause to cease to exist : to do away with entirely so that nothing remains.

Will there be enough body bags for the 40 or so members of the Marlins team?
   15. The Duke Posted: July 30, 2020 at 08:22 AM (#5966844)
Markakis has a chance, small chance, at getting into Hall. He’s about 400 hits from a level where everyone has been elected. As of right now, 2800 hits gets you in the Hall. He needs to find a team that needs his veteran leadership (ie rebuilding team) and with a small outfield. Baltimore might be a good stop. Pittsburgh. But he needs a ton of at bats in the next 4 years to do that. I suspect he won’t get that opportunity. Losing this year really didn’t help.
   16. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: July 30, 2020 at 09:15 AM (#5966849)
A Markakis with 3000 hits has a zero percent chance of making the Hall. The stats people won't vote for him, because he's clearly not qualified. The traditionalists won't vote for him, because absolutely no one thought of him as a Hall of Famer during his career. The Veterans Committee won't let him in for the same reason. I mean, Harold Baines was an incredibly underwhelming choice, but at least during his career people thought of him as a clutch RBI guy and he made 6 All-Star games and got MVP votes in four seasons, as opposed to one All-Star Game and one MVP vote in one season for Markakis.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: July 30, 2020 at 09:24 AM (#5966852)
He would need to take the Vizquel path. Get 3,000 hits and then continue to play for another 4 years, prompting literally thousands of "is this guy a Hall of Famer?" conversations and articles in the media.
   18. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 30, 2020 at 09:40 AM (#5966853)
I mean, Harold Baines was an incredibly underwhelming choice, but at least during his career people thought of him as a clutch RBI guy and he made 6 All-Star games and got MVP votes in four seasons

Harold Baines, Hall of Famer, has a lot less to do with any statistics or narrative than it does to do with Jerry Reinsdorf doing a lot of arm twisting with the voters. Peter Angelos probably isn't going to live long enough to do the same for Markakis.
   19. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: July 30, 2020 at 09:56 AM (#5966856)
He would need to take the Vizquel path. Get 3,000 hits and then ...

Vizquel got 3000 hits?
   20. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM (#5966864)
Vizquel got 3000 hits?


The path outlined in #17 is actually more the Jim Thome path. When Thome hit his 500th home run, it seemed to catch a lot of people by surprise, prompting a bunch of "Wait, Jim Thome hit 500 home runs, maybe 500 home runs shouldn't be an automatic standard" kind of articles (note: 500 home runs has never been an automatic standard anyway). Those gradually morphed to "Is Jim Thome a Hall-of-Famer?" articles. And by the time Thome hit his 600th home run, the conversation around him had shifted further to "Jim Thome, future Hall-of-Famer" and voila, Jim Thome was elected to the Hall of Fame on his first ballot.

The obvious difference between Markakis and Thome is that when you look more closely at Thome's statistics you realize he has Hall-of-Fame numbers. When you look more closely at Markakis's numbers, ..., well, you don't.
   21. Adam Starblind Posted: July 30, 2020 at 11:35 AM (#5966884)
(note: 500 home runs has never been an automatic standard anyway)


This was never tested until the steroid guys came along. Dave Kingman (442) might have hung on long enough to test it, and I'd like to think he wouldn't have made it, but I also think he'd have gotten enough votes from the writers of the time to hang around a while.
   22. Booey Posted: July 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM (#5966903)
Markakis has no shot at the Hall no matter what happens the rest of his career. I DO think that major milestones - or even getting close - are huge with voters; for example, I suspect that if Vizquel had retired after 2007 at age 40 with "only" 2598 hits, he'd be another Dave Concepcion, hanging around on the ballot but not making any significant progress. But with 2877 hits, he's getting in. Even though he added no additional value in those last 5 seasons (0 WAR, -4.3 WAA), his compiled hits total is making voters remember his offense as being much better than it actually was.

However, the difference is Vizquel had all those gold gloves in addition to the hits, and that's what Markakis is lacking. It needs to be 3000 hits (or almost 3000 hits) AND something else. Omar's case is almost 3000 hits AND a dozen (or whatever) gold gloves. Baines had (in addition to persuasive friends on the VC) almost 3000 hits AND the most RBI of anyone outside the Hall (other than PED snubs). Markakis would have 3000 hits and...? He's a .288/.358/.424 hitter (109 OPS+) with 188 HR and 1031 rbi. Just one AS appearance, one 18th place finish in MVP voting. 3 gold gloves (at a non premium position) is nice, but nothing special. There's nothing about his career other than the hits that stands out at all.
   23. The Duke Posted: July 30, 2020 at 01:19 PM (#5966918)
You say that now, but if he gets three full seasons more and racks up his 400+ hits meaning that he has once again played in about 140-150 games per season, he will look different. Right now there are three guys around 2750 that define the line of not being an automatic hall of famer (Damon, Oliver and Pinson). I’m assuming vizquel is going in. The next guy is Beltran and I had him as a shoo-in until the cheating scandal. Now, he’s a question mark.

If markakis were to get close to 2800 or even best vizquel s 2877, I think he has a good chance. Durability and longevity count for a lot

I think he’s done and won’t get more than 100 more hits, but if he found the right place to play for 4 more years, he might do it.
   24. JJ1986 Posted: July 30, 2020 at 01:33 PM (#5966927)
Everyone might have a chance since Baines got in, but why would Markakis have a better shot than Damon who was famously a leader on a winner and a much better player?
   25. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 30, 2020 at 01:40 PM (#5966931)
annihilate : to cause to cease to exist : to do away with entirely so that nothing remains.


Triple-decimate, then?
   26. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 30, 2020 at 03:37 PM (#5966958)
Markakis has no shot at the Hall no matter what happens the rest of his career.
Well, nothing that Markakis has any realistic chance of doing. If he somehow had a couple of MVP years, he’d probably get in, or at least shift the discussion to whether there was sufficient PED suspicion to keep him out.
   27. Booey Posted: July 30, 2020 at 04:02 PM (#5966963)
#26 - Well, yes, I suppose. Markakis will be 37 at the start of the 2021 season. If his age 37-40 seasons are mirror images of Bonds's - and Nick can somehow prove beyond a doubt that PED's weren't heavily involved - then there might be a legit reason to start talking about his case.
   28. Booey Posted: July 30, 2020 at 04:23 PM (#5966971)
If Markakis mirrors Barry's numbers from age 37 to the end of Bonds career (so 2001-2007), Nick will finish up with:

3133 hits
1747 runs scored
456 HR
1622 RBI
A line of .297/.405/.493
85.6 WAR
44.8 WAA

That's a clear HOFer. So yeah, I guess it's possible. ;-)

Who does that hypothetical player most resemble? At a glance I'd say those numbers look rather Bagwellian, only with more longevity and a little less season by season dominance (lower slugging percentage, took a lot more AB's to reach similar totals in HR, RBI, WAR, etc)
   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 30, 2020 at 04:23 PM (#5966972)
Markakis has no shot at the Hall no matter what happens the rest of his career.


I guess there's always the chance that he might make it in as a manager.
   30. The Duke Posted: July 30, 2020 at 04:27 PM (#5966974)
No one thought vizquel had a chance until the tracker started showing all those votes
   31. caspian88 Posted: July 30, 2020 at 04:36 PM (#5966977)
The difference between Markakis and Vizquel is kind of obvious, though. Vizquel isn't getting in because of his hits.
   32. Booey Posted: July 30, 2020 at 04:51 PM (#5966978)
#31 - Well, not JUST because of his hits, anyway. But yeah, like I said before, Markakis doesn't have anything else to offer.
   33. JJ1986 Posted: July 30, 2020 at 06:46 PM (#5967005)
No, announcers started calling Omar a Future Hall-of-Famer late in his career (like they are doing with Yadier Molina now).
   34. Hot Wheeling American Posted: July 30, 2020 at 06:55 PM (#5967010)
The Duke...ya, fired
   35. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 30, 2020 at 09:11 PM (#5967030)
No one thought vizquel had a chance until the tracker started showing all those votes
Still too early to rule out Vizquel hitting a wall. There’s more resistance to his Hall-worthiness than most players with his share of the vote, IMHO.
   36. Walt Davis Posted: July 30, 2020 at 10:22 PM (#5967039)
This was never tested until the steroid guys came along.

Depends what we mean by "automatic." Mathews debuted at 32% and only made it on his 5th ballot, the year after Banks (with exactly the same number of HRs) made it on the 1st ballot. Killebrew debuted at 60% and made it on his 4th ballot and that was with 573 HR, 5th-highest at the time of his retirement.

A 60% debut is pretty much a guarantee you will make it eventually ... 32% not so much. And still, Killer got fewer votes than Hodges and Drysdale in 1981. Mathews was 9th overall, well behind Hodges, also Kiner, Reese and Slaughter (but just ahead of Snider, Rizzuto and Schoendienst). He was still behind those guys the next year (Kiner elected). He passes Reese the next year, is a bit behind Slaughter, still 11 points behind Hodges. When Banks joins the ballot, he takes a big 14% jump and finishes 2nd. Banks might be the guy most responsible for making 500 HR a "thing." The Mathews ballots weren't particularly strong ballots -- 1974 with Mantle, Ford was strong at the top but he was nowhere near the top; 75 Kiner was the only inductee; 76 was Roberts and Lemon; 77 was only Banks (2nd highest debut was Bunning in 9th with 38%).

We also have to ignore the "early" years that really weren't all that early. Ott got only 61% in his debut -- a year with nobody elected. Nobody elected the next year either. Finally Ott made it over the line in his 3rd year. He was joined by Jimmie Foxx in his 7th. Some of that was working out how long players needed to be retired before they should be eligible but clearly 500 HRs wasn't "OMG" in those days.

Now if we take "automatic" as "very very likely by a VC eventually is the worst case, barring roids" then sure 500 HR is probably "automatic." But that's a pretty weak definition and one that's essentially irrefutable since nobody has a clue what the 2053 VC(s) might do. By anything I'd consider a reasonable definition, there's no way Mathews was "automatic." And it's pretty clear that it's never been the case that 75% (or more) of voters just turn their brain off once they see 500 HR. (We'd have been better off if they had for Mathews.)

I do think 3,000 hits was automatic and probably still is. Rose and maybe some of the early very-crowded ballot guys aside, nearly all of them made it 1st ballot. The 3,000 hit versions of Mathews are Paul Waner (7th ballot) and Biggio (3rd). Biggio had some roid whispers and had to deal with historically clogged ballots and was still the top vote-getter in 2013 and missed by just 2 votes in 2014 despite sharing the ballot with 3 1st-ballot guys. That's pretty "automatic." That leaves Waner who debuted at 42% just 2 years after his retirement where he got caught in the same messy years that Foxx/Ott got caught up in. He just missed in the year they made it and made it over the next year ... where he finished behind Harry Heilmann probably because Heilmann died that year. All that said, it sure seemed like Biggio thought 3,000 hits was the key because he really hung on til the bitter end to make sure he got there.

HoF voting was basically totally f'd up from about 45 to 62. Disagreements on eligibility, votes totally clogged, frequently nobody elected, went down to every other year for a while, etc. I won't guarantee it but Ott's 61% looks to be the highest "1st" ballot percentage of that entire period. In 62, Feller and Robinson finally break that up and sail in first ballot.

Of course in nearly all of these cases, the players had a lot more than 500 HR or 3,000 hits going for them so, obviously, most players with one or both of those milestones are "automatic no-brainers." But sure, Sutton probably doesn't make it (at least not via BBWAA) without 300 wins. Given things like AS and MVP were new (or even unofficial) during Waner's peak, it's hard to say for sure but b-r credits him with 1 MVP plus 2nd, 4th and 5th place finishes and he made the newly minted AS teams 4 times (he's 34 in his last AS season) so it sure seems like he was highly respected in real time. (And for us modern folks, he had 74 WAR so obviously should have been in with 3,000 hits or not.) Given how under-valued 3B are, I can believe Mathews might not have made it without 500 HR but I do think Banks and Mathews tied at 512 HR was a turning point for many voters when they saw Banks on the ballot. Killebrew got a lot of MVP love -- 1 win, 5 more top 5 plus 11 AS teams. Kiner really is the guy who clearly made it just on HR, in his case for leading the league 7 straight years, not 500 HR.
   37. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 30, 2020 at 10:40 PM (#5967044)
He was joined by Jimmie Foxx in his 7th. Some of that was working out how long players needed to be retired before they should be eligible but clearly 500 HRs wasn't "OMG" in those days.


WRT those 2, all of it was. Ott retired in 1947, he was elected on his 4th ballot in 1951. Foxx retired in 1945. His first "ballot" was 9 years earlier, before he won his 3rd MVP. He was elected in 1951. Guys who retired in 2015 will get their first shot in 2021.
   38. baxter Posted: July 30, 2020 at 11:07 PM (#5967047)
With regard to 3,000 hits, wasn't it only 1934 when Sam Rice retired short of 3,000 hits; when did it become a milestone?

Matthews, just in searching his name online, he is unappreciated, overlooked, underrated. I dig the Bill James description "Mike Schmidt" senior; not as good, but in the running and really excellent in any event. Playing for the bulk of his career, in fact all the time it was home to the Braves, at County Stadium may have suppressed his raw numbers. I absolutely dig Beltre, but is he in Matthews' league? Maybe with the fielding, I guess.

Matthews started out great and young, 20, was consistently very good to excellent career basically over at 35 (I believe he had an alcohol problem) still had a long career. He finished 2nd in MVP 2x, but never won; also on two championship teams. Did playing in Milwaukee factor into this? Also, much of his career paralleled an even better player's career on his own team w/Aaron.

I think Matthews' reputation was that he was not a particularly likeable person; I don't want to cast aspersions; I remember discussing it with someone who followed baseball in the 50's (realize may not be the most credible, obviously), but it was said not disparagingly, just the way he was thought. Not getting along with writers, if true, can be a problem.

Killebrew, I think it is the batting average, just does not look good; walks are undervalued (as I think Killebrew is as a player in the 60's dead ball era I can't believe the HR's don't have even more value, but I defer to the experts). Of course, with regard to personality, Killebrew always had a wonderful reputation; I remember a Jim Murray column about Danny Thompson (teammate who died of leukemia) and Killebrew, very heartwarming. Someone here must have linked to Killebrew's appearance on Letterman; he had previously been bumped, I think, so they had him on for almost the entire show, with Liberace being a guest (who mentions he grew up in Milwaukee, Letterman says must have been a Braves fan, except no one figured out that the Braves were in Boston at the time); also surprise guest Bob Allison (not a super-star, but a really good player in his own right), just great to see two old friends meet.

The perception of stats differs now; information is more rapidly and widely available; still personalities also matter among human beings.
   39. Zach Posted: July 31, 2020 at 02:39 PM (#5967168)
3000 hits is awfully close to automatic. Even someone as close as Johnny Damon becomes a significantly better candidate if you add 230 more hits.

Markakis doesn't seem like a compelling candidate, but displaying enough longevity to get 645 more hits after age 35 would really change perceptions.
   40. BDC Posted: July 31, 2020 at 05:01 PM (#5967197)
Closest careers to Markakis by PAs and OPS+, through age 35. Good players, certainly.

Player           dWAR   PA OPS+   AB    R    H  HR  RBI   BB   SO
Willie Davis     11.6 9239  106 8625 1147 2415 177 1005  395  936
Nick Markakis    
-6.6 9180  109 8172 1104 2355 188 1031  881 1207
Eddie Yost      
-10.7 9175  109 7346 1215 1863 139  682 1614  920 


Provided by Stathead.com: View Stathead Tool Used
Generated 7/31/2020.
   41. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: July 31, 2020 at 05:16 PM (#5967203)
In 1934, would Sam Rice even have known how many hits he had? I'd been under the impression that no one kept track of that sort of thing until much later.
   42. SoSH U at work Posted: July 31, 2020 at 05:43 PM (#5967206)
Sam said he didn’t know.
   43. sunday silence (again) Posted: August 02, 2020 at 10:22 AM (#5967496)
Mathews seems almost certainly to have suffered from alcohol abuse. I saw an interview with him, I dunno if it was Costas or whomever, but he had that very glassy eyed look. I also think you may be right he wasnt very friendly, but I dont recall anything specific.

Does Johnny Damon seem like a worse candidate than SHeffield? I think there's a consensus here that Sheffield will either be in or deserve to be in and Damon will never get close (he is even left on the ballot?) Looking at career WAR its 60 to 56 Sheffield, well that's not a lot but maybe to some it's significant. That's the feeling I get from reading these threads, maybe Im wrong...

But what if we ask the question: who did more to help his team? BIll James got a lot of mileage out of that one, crucifying Dick Allen and Hal Chase (Chase was obviously an easy mark to pillory). Looking at them by that standard, I don't see much difference. Is it that SHeffield achieved 500 HRs? I mean you cant see you could notice a 4 WAR difference by observing them play for 20 years, no way.


I do think 3,000 hits was automatic and probably still is.


But if you have to refer to "automatic" in both the past and present tense, then it's not automatic. Its like saying "Gravity is a law of nature, it has been and probably will continue to be." It can't be a:
   44. sunday silence (again) Posted: August 02, 2020 at 10:44 AM (#5967499)
EDIT: sorry for double post, not sure wot happened:


I do think 3,000 hits was automatic and probably still is.


But if you have to refer to "automatic" in both the past and present tense, then it's not automatic. Its like saying "Gravity is a law of nature, it has been and probably will continue to be." It can't be a: "probably will be" to be an automatic.

The problem with looking at that concept of automatic, is that it could not have been born that way. In 1936 or whatever no one knew that 3000 hits was going to be some sort of epic milestone. Or 500 Hrs. That can only come with time. And then of course as time goes on, we see certain milestones that dont seem to be epic anymore. If Sosa had hit 60 HRs three times in the 1920s then I dont think there'd be any doubt for him, assuming he finished with a reasonable career. He was one HR short of having 5 50 HR seasons.

Of course now a 50 Hr season doesnt seem so epic. So I guess you can say that 500 HRs is not automatic, and you'd be right. But in historic context for Foxx or Ott to have hit 500 does seem like a reasonable epic benchmark sort of thing.

at the end of the 1969 season, the NL HR career record stood:

Mathews 512
Ott 511
Banks 497 (still playing)
Mays 492 (still playing would get to 660)

That's a pretty good milepost to look for. As of today there are 27 players with career 500 Hrs, so I guess its not so automatic; in another 50 years there might be a hundred players with 500 and hell no, it wont be automatic at all. So there you go...

By anything I'd consider a reasonable definition, there's no way Mathews was "automatic."


Given the historical significance, I think you're wrong. For Mathew's case, it does seem like an automatic sort of milestone. For future players, no it wont be.
   45. SoSH U at work Posted: August 02, 2020 at 10:50 AM (#5967500)
There has never been an automatic number, and there never will be.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 18, 2020 at 07:06 PM (#5970420)
Not good for his HoF chances - Braves Place Nick Markakis On Covid-19 Injury List:
The Braves announced that outfielder Nick Markakis is headed to the injured list after he was “potentially exposed to COVID-19.” Markakis tested negative for the virus, but the Braves noted they want to take a cautious approach.
They could have quarantined him & continued to test. Maybe not much difference between the incubation period and the 10-day IL?
   47. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 18, 2020 at 07:45 PM (#5970422)
He chose...poorly.
   48. dlf Posted: August 18, 2020 at 07:46 PM (#5970423)
Maybe not much difference between the incubation period and the 10-day IL?


There is a specific CV injury list that has no minimum timeline. If he continues to test negative, he could conceivably come back as soon as tomorrow.
   49. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 18, 2020 at 07:57 PM (#5970428)
at the end of the 1969 season, the NL HR career record stood:

Mathews 512
Ott 511
Banks 497 (still playing)
Mays 492 (still playing would get to 660)


Great perspective. I had no idea he was the all-time NL home run leader at the time.

Am I right that that made him the #5 overall home run leader? (behind Ruth, Foxx, Williams and Mantle)
   50. Rob_Wood Posted: August 18, 2020 at 09:31 PM (#5970439)
People realize that Mathews ended his career with one season in Detroit, right?

And that Willie Mays number seems way off.

Am I missing something??
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: August 18, 2020 at 09:43 PM (#5970443)
at the end of 1969, Willie had 600 HR

Aaron had 554, also all in NL at that point

and yes, Mathews hit 503 NL HR, not 512 (parts of two seasons as a Tiger at the end, winning a ring in his 1968 swan song)

so it was Mays Aaron Ott Mathews Banks (who passed Mathews in mid-1970)
   52. Howie Menckel Posted: August 18, 2020 at 10:27 PM (#5970459)
MARKAKIS 2020 UPDATE - would suck if he splits up Whitaker and Trammell in Hits

HITS

123. Mickey Mantle+ (18) 2415
124. Sammy Sosa (18) 2408
125. Miguel Tejada (16) 2407
126. Stuffy McInnis (19) 2405
127. Ryne Sandberg+ (16) 2386
128. Enos Slaughter+ (19) 2383
129. Chili Davis (19) 2380
130. Edd Roush+ (18) 2376
131. Brett Butler (17) 2375
Michael Young (14) 2375
133. Lou Whitaker (19) 2369
134. NICK MARKAKIS (15) 2367
135. Alan Trammell+ (20) 2365
136. Carlton Fisk+ (24) 2356


DOUBLES
53. Joe Cronin+ (20) 515
54. Edgar Martinez+ (18) 514
55. Mark Grace (16) 511
Jimmy Rollins (17) 511
57. Rickey Henderson+ (25) 510
58. Babe Ruth+ (22) 506
59. Tony Perez+ (23) 505
NICK MARKAKIS (15) 505
61. Roberto Alomar+ (17) 504
62. Andre Dawson+ (21) 503
63. Goose Goslin+ (18) 500
John Olerud (17) 500
   53. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 18, 2020 at 10:34 PM (#5970463)
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