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No puedes tener demasiada ¡OMNICHATTER!, for May 5, 2021.

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Hombre Brotani Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:55 AM | 53 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. GregD Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:21 AM (#6017039)
As-Blue Jays game took 2 hours 18 minutes last night. Cole Irvin pitched eight innings. It was like old times. My daughter was like what is happening
   2. Mefisto Posted: May 05, 2021 at 11:12 AM (#6017056)
Happy 90th Birthday Willie Mays!
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: May 05, 2021 at 03:36 PM (#6017111)
"Wednesday marked the 1,800th career game for Reds first baseman Joey Votto. But Votto’s day against the White Sox ended after five innings because of a left thumb injury.

Batting in the bottom of the fourth inning, Votto was hit by a pitch from White Sox starter Dallas Keuchel. He immediately shook his hand in pain as he jogged to first base, but he remained in the game at the time.

Kyle Farmer replaced Votto at first base for the top of the sixth inning.

Votto, 37, is one of only four active players with at least 1,800 career Major League games, joining Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera and Yadier Molina.
   4. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 05, 2021 at 04:32 PM (#6017127)
Votto, 37, is one of only four active players with at least 1,800 career Major League games, joining Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera and Yadier Molina.
Robinson Cano has 2,234 games, although he’s somewhat in hiatus while serving his suspension.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: May 05, 2021 at 04:42 PM (#6017130)
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Ruben Tejada agrees to minors deal with Phillies. Good for him!
   6. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 05, 2021 at 05:27 PM (#6017147)
John Means has set down the first 21 batters he's faced.
   7. shoelesjoe Posted: May 05, 2021 at 05:29 PM (#6017148)
John Means facing the minimum 21 batters through 7 innings in Seattle. Only Mariner to reach base did so on a swinging strike three that went to the backstop, who was then thrown out attempting to steal second on the next pitch. Means has thrown a strike on the first pitch to 20 of the 21 batters he’s faced.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: May 05, 2021 at 05:39 PM (#6017149)
Is Paul DeJong only good against the Mets? He kills them and then has generally mediocre numbers overall.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 05:47 PM (#6017151)
Alas ...

Votto 88 OPS+
Cabrera 16 (not a typo)
Pujols 72
Cano susp
Yadi 175

nobody saw that coming 10 years ago.
   10. shoelesjoe Posted: May 05, 2021 at 05:52 PM (#6017152)
Means retires the Mariners in order in the 8th, starting each hitter with strike one (that’s 23 out of 24). Going to the 9th with no-hitter intact.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 05, 2021 at 05:55 PM (#6017153)
Game #1801 may be a while, Votto out with fractured left thumb.
   12. shoelesjoe Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:06 PM (#6017157)
No Hitter!!!!
   13. bunyon Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:07 PM (#6017158)
Holy crap. Only runner was a strikeout? Has that happened before?
   14. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:19 PM (#6017160)
Strikeout/wild pitch, then caught stealing. I totally forgot about that earlier.

Means had a Maddux-quality changeup today. It was a lot of fun to watch.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:21 PM (#6017162)
one of baseball's most hallowed records - one passed down from generation to generation, like a family heirloom - may go by the wayside today.

yes, the Cardinals may become the first MLB team ever to hit a 3-run HR in 6 consecutive games. they haven't converted on a couple of early chances on Game 1 vs Mets, though.

also, "Field of Dream" flashback a la the scene where (Dr.) Moonlight Graham hesitates before crossing the foul line to save the little girl who was choking.

this time it's the Cardinals pitching coach hesitating, as he doublechecks that an interpreter's earlier visit to P Kim to chat w infielders does or does not count as a mound visit.

flummoxed umps now consulting.

then umps allow for the mound visit to count as only the first. THEN they call NY to find out how badly they screwed this up.

5-minute delay that has Keith Hernandez in the booth birthing almost an entire litter of kittens - and basically nothing happened. Mets booth thinks the error was letting the interpreter go on the field without a coach or manager.
   16. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:25 PM (#6017163)
So I just read at ESPN about LaRussa's latest blunder. 0-0 in extras against the Reds, he didn't know that he didn't have to use his pitcher (Liam Hendricks) as the magic runner. (Hendricks had double-switched in). He admits that part. But possibly even dumber, with runners on 1st and 3rd with one out, with Hendricks the runner on 3rd, he had the runner on first go. He got thrown out and the guy on 3rd never scored. "We wanted to be aggressive" LaRussa said. With the potential tie-breaking run on 3rd? And the Reds C commented that he knew he didn't have to fear the double steal with Hendricks on 3B. (In LaRussa's "defense", it would have been Abreu, also not a big threat for a double steal.)

EDIT: Also in LaRussa's "defense", I didn't know that either until someone here mentioned it recently so Tony is no less qualified to be the White Sox skipper than I am.
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:27 PM (#6017165)
There is a delay of game because there is confusion whether or not the translator who came out to talk between the pitchers and infielders.

Here is the situation, in the inning the Cardinals infielders came together to talk, the translator came out to help. And now the Cardinals managers came out to talk to Kim, and there is an open interpretation whether or not the translator coming out the first time counts as a mound visit. Apparently the umps had to call New York to get the rule clarified, and upon "non replay review" of a non-play, and mostly a semantic argument of the rules, did they decide that the translator coming out to chat "translate" a conversation between the infielders was not a mound visit.

From what the Cardinal announcers read of the rule, every time the translator comes out to the mound, it's a mound visit as he is supposed to be with a coach. The announcers think that the umps screwed up the first visit, and that New York basically told them, since they didn't signal it as a mound visit, that it doesn't count, but that it should have. (at least that is the Cardinal announcers conjecture)

Knizner just took one to the gnads.

   18. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:31 PM (#6017168)
If this replay takes more than 6 seconds, the system is flawed.

bases loaded no outs, ball hit to Arenado, it bounces off of his glove, but he repicks it, and touches the bag with his foot for the force, ump didn't think that he did, and it's not even a debate on the replay. Easiest replay you will ever see.

To be fair to the ump, in live speed it didn't look like he made it in time, it's one of those plays that the ump could have screwed up, and that the purpose of replay was designed for, and yet for some reason they still decided to watch 8 replays before making a decision, instead of the clear and first obvious replay that showed it was a no brainer.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:32 PM (#6017170)
Seriously, it's taking this long? You have got to be kidding me. Everyone in the stands knew the call within 4 seconds of the missed call. (Seriously, in a couple of minutes go the mlb.tv and see the "highlight of this play" and figure out how long it should take to over turn the call on the field.... and then add a minute and a half to it.
   20. JJ1986 Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:33 PM (#6017171)
EDIT: Also in LaRussa's "defense", I didn't know that either until someone here mentioned it recently so Tony is no less qualified to be the White Sox skipper than I am.
I only knew it because the Mets gamed it (double-switched in the pitcher on purpose to have a faster runner on) earlier in the season. I hadn't heard about it pre-season at all.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:42 PM (#6017174)
Bases loaded no outs, and the vaunted Mets offense could only muster one run. They must think that DeGrom is pitching.
   22. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:44 PM (#6017175)
I only knew it because the Mets gamed it


Same here as of a couple of days ago (I'm sure I'm the person that mentioned it a couple of days ago)

But I'm at the point in time, I'm a semi-casual fan... not a coach or manager, and not someone like TLR who is a lawyer and is type of guy who likes to exploit rules.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:46 PM (#6017177)
They must think that DeGrom is pitching.

Or that Chili is still the hitting coach.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:03 PM (#6017178)
If this replay takes more than 6 seconds, the system is flawed.

and after an inexplicable delay of several minutes, Keith births whatever remaining kittens he had left.

then the Mets' broadcast shows highlights of a pre-game ceremony in St. Louis where.... Keith Hernandez (broadcasting from New York) has been named the newest member of the Cardinals' Hall of Fame. Keith expresses gratitude, but he's still so riled up about the nonsense that he harkens seemingly unironically that he feels like Kramer whose "day was ruined!" as well, by all the delays and confusion.

yes, Keith - star of a few memorable Seinfeld episodes - references another Seinfeld character in describing his jumble of emotions.

in the next half inning, the Cardinals have 1st and 3rd and no one out - and Bader steals second.
Keith quickly and angrily calls the maneuver "stupid" - then just as quickly apologizes. he's not quite on an even keel, lol.


he didn't like the idea of setting up a chance for the Mets to "walk a veteran hitter" like Carpenter in that spot.

at this point the Mets should come up with a 10- or 15-minute postgame highlight reel of the nightly hijinks in the booth. way more entertaining than the Mets themselves are.
   25. Howie Menckel Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:15 PM (#6017182)
DeJong collects his 10th HR in 90 career AB vs. the Mets, to go with 11 doubles.

I'm no mathematician, but that seems like a lot.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:18 PM (#6017183)
I'm no mathematician, but that seems like a lot.


Cardinal announcers are much less of a mathematician than you, but they seem to think it is a lot also.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:19 PM (#6017184)
This was probably not the best game to announce that Keith Hernandez is the newest member of the St Louis Cardinals Hall of Fame. Not that it's a bad idea to mention it, but you would hope for a less stupid game for it to happen...

And yes, this is a stupid game.
   28. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:20 PM (#6017185)
Astros pitcher Luis Garcia has a rather unusual pitching motion, striding forward, and then backward, before striding forward again to deliver the pitch. #Attention-Seeker.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:37 PM (#6017186)
Only runner was a strikeout? Has that happened before?
According to Elias, Means is the first pitcher to throw a non-perfect no-hitter with no walks, no hit batters and no errors.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:44 PM (#6017188)
According to Elias, Means is the first pitcher to throw a non-perfect no-hitter with no walks, no hit batters and no errors.


hell of a game. I'm a bit hard pressed to claim it wasn't perfect, but I get the standard, not sure this actually failed the standard though.
   31. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:51 PM (#6017189)
If it had been a PB, the "still perfect" argument is stronger. As a WP, it was his fault so "not perfect" is easier to see. And since a RoE erases a perfect game, a PB (much less WP) probably should too. Besides, now he has the only game of this type in history rather than just another plain ol' perfect game.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 07:57 PM (#6017191)
Cardinals win another game, it's like this team might actually be good.. or it's possible luck due to sample size issue... 6 game winning streaks can sku the numbers a bit.

But I really like the potential of this team, and of course it's potential.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:04 PM (#6017192)
If it had been a PB, the "still perfect" argument is stronger. As a WP, it was his fault so "not perfect" is easier to see. And since a RoE erases a perfect game, a PB (much less WP) probably should too. Besides, now he has the only game of this type in history rather than just another plain ol' perfect game.


I do get that, but still, he got the strikeout. I fully understand semantic arguments etc.... but again he did only face 27 batters... has there ever been a non-perfect game with only 27 batters? I'm sure it might have happened, (you know walk double play type of thing) so it boils down to what "perfection" is...and yes I honestly do agree with the standard definition, but anytime I see a contrary argument, I want to explore it.

In reality a perfect game means every batter to face the pitcher made an out and never arrived to a base. That is the broadly acceptable definition... but quirks like the wild pitch strike out(or passed ball strikeout) can throw a monkey wrench into the argument... They technically don't meet the criteria, but they do meet the first criteria. Ultimately though, since a perfect game can be ruined by an error, this equally applies to the spirit of the definition. A man reached base, therefore it's not perfect.
   34. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:18 PM (#6017194)
I imagine the list of pitchers who pitched a complete game while not getting a perfect game and facing only 27 batters is even smaller than the list of pitchers who have thrown perfect games, so there is that notch on the belt.
   35. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:30 PM (#6017196)
John Means! Finally a young pitcher for O's fans to be excited about. Hopefully joined by DL Hall and Grayson Rodrigues in the not too distant future.

I'm surprised Josh Rojas isn't playing tonight, he's as hot as anybody.
   36. Howie Menckel Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:36 PM (#6017198)
Hopefully joined by DL Hall

IL Hall
   37. Howie Menckel Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:38 PM (#6017200)
This was probably not the best game to announce that Keith Hernandez is the newest member of the St Louis Cardinals Hall of Fame.

Keith said the ceremony will be in late August, and he and his whole family will be there in St. Louis.
   38. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 05, 2021 at 08:54 PM (#6017203)
John Means! Finally a young pitcher for O's fans to be excited about.
Already age-28, so better get with it. Of course, his trade value has never been higher . . .
   39. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:16 PM (#6017207)
DeJong collects his 10th HR in 90 career AB vs. the Mets, to go with 11 doubles.


The calculator in my brain, which admittedly is deep into its warranty, says that’s an ISO of .455. That’s pretty good.
   40. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:17 PM (#6017208)
ohn Means! Finally a young pitcher for O's fans to be excited about. Hopefully joined by DL Hall and Grayson Rodrigues in the not too distant future.

Debbie Downer here ... can the O's buy out Means? He'll be arb eligible for the first time at the end of the year and, given his age, should be amenable to a nice buyout but probably not amenable to a cheap one. Given Hall has just started AA (with 10 K in 4.1 IP) and Rodriguez just started A+, chances are by the time those guys have become good ML pitchers (if that's their fate), Means would be leaving.
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: May 05, 2021 at 09:56 PM (#6017216)
So the Mets best reliever so far this season is the pitcher they use the least.... sounds like the Mets.
Okay, I get a lefty specialist.
   42. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 05, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#6017222)
Cubs down by a run, runner on first, two outs in the 7th, and their best pinch hitting option is…Eric Sogard, lefty on lefty? That’s not good.

Went as you would expect.
   43. phredbird Posted: May 05, 2021 at 10:24 PM (#6017223)

dang, i know tommy ran a mile to get to that ball and it was a sinking liner etc. ... but i kind of think he should have got that.

now two more runs come in and the game is almost out of reach.
   44. SoSH U at work Posted: May 05, 2021 at 10:50 PM (#6017226)
has there ever been a non-perfect game with only 27 batters?


Buehrle's first no-hitter. Walked Sosa, then picked him off. So, in a sense he re-perfected.
   45. phredbird Posted: May 05, 2021 at 10:55 PM (#6017227)

man, people who say ballplayers don't hustle should have just seen that play by o'neill. down five runs in the last inning of the game, but he stretches out for a diving catch, and the ball just barely pops out of the snow cone ...

bad luck on our diving catches tonight ...
   46. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 05, 2021 at 11:25 PM (#6017230)
Joc Pederson looks like a major douche, flipping his bat, posing at the plate and starting to strut around the bases on a…sac fly just short of the warning track.
   47. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 05, 2021 at 11:29 PM (#6017232)
Impressive squander there, but at least they tied it.
   48. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 05, 2021 at 11:36 PM (#6017234)
He needed to get bailed out, but Shohei Ohtani finishes the night with a line of:
5 IP, 1 hit, 6 walks, 7 strikeouts, and zero runs.
   49. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 06, 2021 at 12:01 AM (#6017236)
Bullpen still manages to blow the lead. Ugh.
   50. Snowboy Posted: May 06, 2021 at 12:05 AM (#6017237)
Death by a thousand paper cuts for Oakland in the 8th vs Toronto.
Lose the lead, allow 5 runs, 0 xbh.
   51. Brian C Posted: May 06, 2021 at 12:17 AM (#6017238)
OK, who had Cubs sweep entering this series? With all kinds of extra-inning clutch hits? I mean ... I'm a little surprised.
   52. Cooper Teenoh Posted: May 06, 2021 at 01:58 AM (#6017244)
Another non-perfect game with only 27 batters faced: the 1917 combined no-hitter by Babe Ruth and Ernie Shore, in which Babe's contribution was to walk the leadoff man, get ejected, and then assault the umpire, and Shore's role was to enter in relief, observe the catcher throw out the base runner trying to steal second, and retire the next 26 batters. Since I was a child this has been one of my favorite stories.

Ernie Shore, relief hero
   53. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: May 06, 2021 at 09:21 AM (#6017269)
Yeah, let me edit #35:

John Means! Finally a good pitcher for O's fans to be excited about.



No idea if he'll be here when/if the rebuild kicks in. But it's nice to see them develop a decent pitcher that blossoms here instead of on another team. And it provides some hope that the pitching development system Elias/Mejdal put in place will work for the younger guys.

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