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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Wednesday, February 22, 2023Noah Song set to report to Phillies after Navy service change
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Posted: February 22, 2023 at 05:27 PM | 28 comment(s)
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1. JRVJ Posted: February 22, 2023 at 07:56 PM (#6118240)Ideally, he needs one organization, with a clear philosophy, to help him get his work in. However, there's a high likelihood that he's going to end up with multiple franchises (either because he is returned to the Bosoxs or because an attempt is made to pass him through waivers, and he is then claimed by another franchise).
The alternative is probably some phantom injuries that push him to the IL, but that's also not ideal.
In a sense, sure. On the other hand, he has a chance to make $700,000 this year playing baseball.
i didn't know wc fields had so many bastard offspring.
Also, keep in mind: A team can begin the season with this in mind, and then decide in June that it is not working out, and then do one of two things:
1) Offer him back to the Red Sox; or
2) Reach out to the Red Sox, and offer compensation in exchange for being able to keep Song, even if he is not on the big league team for all of 2023.
Song is 25, and pitched a handful of low-A innings four years ago. Who knows what kind of "pitching shape" he is in. The most likely outcome remains that either Song goes back to Boston, or Boston is approached with offers of compensation in exchange for Song.
I'm not a big fan of Bloom, but I don't think he was crazy to leave Song off the 40-man. It is unfortunate timing for Bloom, and fits a narrative common around Red Sox Nation that Bloom just isn't getting it done.
Yes. I'm going to guess the Phils are going to treat the service academy experience as more than enough general seasoning, and just start him in the back of the bullpen and use him like anyone else.
Wouldn't he have to go through waivers?
Dust off the Primey machine.
Aren't there about 100 guys in AAA who are better than this? Just randomly looking at the Cleveland farm system FG, I found Andrew Misiaszek, MIRP, age 25, 35+ FV, hits 95 with a 55/60 slider. Right above him, Nick Mikolajchak, SIRP, age 25, 35+ FV. Tops 95, 55/60 slider.
What comes first? The requirement to offer him back to the originating club or the right to waive him outright? I assumed the former but even if it's the latter he still needs to spend an entire season on someone's MLB roster which is far from a sure thing. He hasn't pitched competitively in a long time.
1. The Phils just keep him on the 25-man, pay Boston the money.
2. The Phils and Boston work out a trade and he goes on the Phils' 40-man. They can option him. He does not have to go through waivers for this to happen.**
3. The Phils decide not to keep him on the 25-man and don't work out a trade with Boston. He goes through waivers again, returning to Boston (for a price) if nobody else is willing to put him on the 25-man.
4. I'm not sure what happens if he passes through waivers but the Red Sox also decide not to pay to get him back -- not sure if he's a FA or still with the Phils or it works like a DFA.
** I'm not 100% sure he doesn't go through waivers again but I'm pretty sure he doesn't. This used to happen "all the time" in olden days, doesn't seem to happen very much anymore. But basically it's as if the Red Sox had traded him to the Phils and the Phils put him on the 40-man before all the rule 5 machinations.
I'm pretty sure it's the latter. (Or technically they might be simultaneous -- i.e. it is the offering him back to Boston that triggers the waiver process). Essentially he goes through the rule 5 draft a second time when the Phils decide they don't want him on the 25-man anymore ... unless they work out a trade with Boston.
Remember, if he goes back to Boston, he's not on the 40-man. Now maybe there's a priority ordering such that if the Red Sox are willing to put him on the 25-man, they get first dibs if the Phils let him go ... I have no idea, I don't think I've ever heard of that happening.
Grabbed by the O's from the Pirates in the 2003-4 offseason.
16 g, 12 PA with the O's
They give up and the Rays take him off waivers on June 3
12 g and 15 PAs with the Rays
Purchased by the Royals on June 28
13 g and 26 PAs with the Roywals
Traded by the Royals to the Mets for Justin Huber on July 30
Traded by the Mets (with others) to the Pirates for Benson and Keppinger on July 30
23 g and 43 PAs with the Pirates
It was his age 23 season so not exactly a youngster. The Pirates weren't any good in 2004 and they hadn't been any good in 2003, it's hard to imagine they couldn't find a 40-man spot for Bautista. All told Bautista got 64 g but just 96 PAs and that sure seems like a waste of a season of development time. Bautista was still 6 years away from becoming Bautista. I vaguely recall we thought the Royals got a steal in Huber ... not so much.
The article touches on this.
completely agree.
i do think it would be better if the draft was in may or august, instead of december. i think that kind of roster disruption would add a good amount of excitement for teams in the middle and bottom of the standings.
if people wanted him, they could have drafted him; it's not like the phillies had a top 5 pick or anything. stop trying to steal him away before he even gets to his first spring training.
yeah, maybe, but all of these guys are a crapshoot, and one organization can't just sign all of them. song is a guy the phillies chose; partly because they believe in him (i guess), but mostly because he happened to be available.
it is what it is.
Yes, for sure. I think we were all pretty clear on this. The uncertainty I think is around whether the Phils and Boston can work out a trade for his "options rights" without the Phils having to put him on waivers.
Technically it's the "option" that's missing. Normally a player with no service time who's on the 25-man can be optioned to the minors while remaining on the 40-man. Song on the Phils' 25-man cannot be optioned to the minors this year. It's a really weird status -- any team (by waiver order) can claim his 25-man roster rights but no team can claim his "option rights." Those apparently still reside with Boston even though the whole point of this was to get him off their 40-man. The Phils can trade with Boston for those option rights.
1. Boston decides they don't want him on the 40-man, he goes into the rule 5.
2. Phils pick him, put him on the 25-man.
3. Eventually Phils decide they don't want him on the 25-man
4. But in this interim, the Red Sox have decided they'd like him on their 25-man ...
What's the process? Does Boston get first dibs as long as they will now put him on the 25-man? (And if they later remove him this season he goes back into rule 5?) Does Boston get their usual waiver slot pick? Or does Boston have to wait until every team has passed on him at which point they not only get him back, he doesn't have to be on the 40-man?
I know how the system works when Boston hasn't changed their mind. But if they have, do they get to jump the queue, take their place in the queue or go to the back of the queue?
There are a few words in English English that are better than their American English synonyms. Queue is a good one (at least spoken, bit of a pain to type). Rubbish is probably the best one. Petrol is bad, aluminium is an abomination.
From Cub Reporter: Rule 5 Draft
So the process would go: clear waivers, returned to former team, then former team can trade him without Rule 5 roster restrictions.
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