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Noah Syndergaard offers fiery response to landlord’s lawsuit: ‘See you in court pal’

Noah Syndergaard has responded a lawsuit filed by a New York City landlord claiming the Mets pitcher owes him unpaid rent.

The lawsuit, according to the New York Daily News, claims Syndergaard signed a lease in February covering March through November for a total of $225,000, plus a $17,000 broker’s commission. In the lawsuit, Syndergaard is accused of treating “the binding lease like an option.” The lawsuit also claims the apartment remains vacant and the company who owns the building is seeking damages in excess of $250,000.

“So let me get this straight. I fairly, and in good faith offered to pay 2 months rent (over 50K) to a landlord for a place I was never going to step foot in due to a global pandemic that took a severe toll upon the residents of NYC, gave timely notice to attempt to try and re-rent, while getting TJ and now living in Florida for rehab, and the landlord tries to extort me for 250K while leaking this story to the media, and I’m the bad guy? Yeah, ok. See you in court pal.”

 

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   1. PreservedFish Posted: May 25, 2020 at 11:51 AM (#5953339)
I went through this a few years ago, on a slightly smaller scale - the contract we broke was for $1,000 per month, not $25,000. IIRC it's the landlord's duty to make a good faith effort to re-rent the place (likely a nearly impossible task in Manhattan right now) but the renter is on the hook until he does so. So they're both in the wrong - Syndergaard may owe more than 2 months' worth, but the landlord does not just get a check for $250k. I'm not a lawyer, but I did have a casual 10 minute conversation with one on this subject.
   2. puck Posted: May 25, 2020 at 01:12 PM (#5953353)
Does a good faith effort have to involve anything other than listing the apartment?

   3. Baldrick Posted: May 25, 2020 at 01:39 PM (#5953362)
We are currently paying for an apartment in Los Angeles which we haven't set foot in since early March and which we will not return to before the lease runs out at the end of August.

It's not great!

Edit: Speaking of which, anyone know someone who wants to live in Echo Park and would be willing to let us pay them to take over the lease?
   4. PreservedFish Posted: May 25, 2020 at 01:43 PM (#5953364)
Does a good faith effort have to involve anything other than listing the apartment?


Probably not. They might need to actually respond to inquiries.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 25, 2020 at 01:52 PM (#5953367)
IIRC it's the landlord's duty to make a good faith effort to re-rent the place (likely a nearly impossible task in Manhattan right now) but the renter is on the hook until he does so.
Yeah, normally a landlord would be happy to take a couple of months rent being forfeited on an apartment that could be immediately rented out, but the market for urban real estate, especially in NYC, may be another coronavirus casualty. Seems like Syndergaard is on the hook if another tenant can’t be found, but perhaps the publicity will gin up demand for Thor’s Palace.
   6. bobm Posted: May 25, 2020 at 01:58 PM (#5953369)
NY Post: Noah Syndergaard uses MLB coronavirus deal to explain landlord frustration

“Yeah the guy is a monster for wanting you to live up to a lease agreement signed by both of you,” @GunterDawg99, whose display name is Chief. “How would you react if the team suddenly said yeah nah to your contract?

Syndergaard responded by using the example of MLB players changing their contracts and agreeing to be paid a pro-rated amount if the currently shutdown league is able to play games this season. If that agreement will even stand is still being debated by MLB and Players Association.

“You mean like MLB did to every Player this contract year due to the Covid pandemic? “Which the players negotiated and excepted to be paid on a pro rated basis per games played because it’s fair for both parties?” Syndergaard wrote. “Like that? Did I scream BUT MY CONTRACT? No. Just shut up Chief.”
   7. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 25, 2020 at 02:15 PM (#5953373)
Which the players negotiated and excepted to be paid


Clearly the wrong word here. Did he mean "accepted", or "expected"? Either would work funny enough.
   8. dejarouehg Posted: May 25, 2020 at 02:31 PM (#5953378)
Recently, New York City and Albany in general has become harshly anti-Landlord, but the concern isn't about the tenants with deep pockets. The obligation to mitigate could be an issue, but as stated above, mitigation during a pandemic isn't happening. Based on the facts as reported, absent the judge being a Mets fan, my money is on the Landlord. (Actually, my money would be on a settlement but if it went to trial, then the Landlord has the better case.)
   9. flournoy Posted: May 25, 2020 at 03:20 PM (#5953390)
the Landlord has the better case.


Doesn't the landlord have the only case? What is Syndergaard's case? "I know I signed this agreement, but if it's all the same to you, I'd rather not live up to my end of the bargain?"
   10. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 25, 2020 at 03:30 PM (#5953391)
Thor doesn’t come off well here. I think landlords should be doing something for people who need help and even if you think Syndergaard falls into that category since he’s not currently being paid tweeting like this doesn’t exactly send a “I’m stable and have a reasonable argument” message.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: May 25, 2020 at 03:50 PM (#5953394)
sounds like the landlord's attorneys went at Thor pretty hard, when he felt like he was tying to do the right thing (even if it's in reality legally insufficient).

if one of the lawyers told Thor, "you'd better pay up now, or we'll smear you in the press" - well, then they may have overplayed their hand.

Thor can afford to hold a grudge and drag this out - which would cut into the net result for the landlord, I would think. a young baseball player who reacts emotionally to attorneys for a faceless landlord isn't likely to cost him many fans (except the ones who are landlords of course).
   12. KronicFatigue Posted: May 25, 2020 at 05:09 PM (#5953409)
Thor having elective surgery at a time where NY was afraid of running out of hospital beds doesn't add to his case either.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 25, 2020 at 05:15 PM (#5953411)
Thor having elective surgery at a time where NY was afraid of running out of hospital beds doesn't add to his case either.
Syndergaard had his surgery in West Palm Beach, Florida.
   14. KronicFatigue Posted: May 25, 2020 at 05:27 PM (#5953414)
whoa, thanks. I've been unfairly holding a grudge against him, thinking he had it in NY
   15. Adam Starblind Posted: May 25, 2020 at 06:26 PM (#5953423)
IIRC it's the landlord's duty to make a good faith effort to re-rent the place (likely a nearly impossible task in Manhattan right now) but the renter is on the hook until he does so.


The landlord has a duty to mitigate, but it can’t be that he has to wait until he either successfully rents it out or the lease ends before he can go to court—incurring mounting damages all the while—can it fellow lawyers? This is a short lease; 8 months. Syndergaard is going to end up on the hook for the whole thing if he can’t settle this, and if I were the landlord I would drive a hard bargain.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 25, 2020 at 06:43 PM (#5953427)
Syndergaard is going to end up on the hook for the whole thing if he can’t settle this, and if I were the landlord I would drive a hard bargain.
It may not be that easy to rent Syndergaard’s place at the previous price of $27K per month, but if the landlord can get $22K a month, he may have to take it, limiting his recovery to $5K per month. Or whatever the actual market dictates.
   17. majorflaw Posted: May 25, 2020 at 07:05 PM (#5953429)
“Doesn't the landlord have the only case? What is Syndergaard's case?“

Syndegaard’d case is that, while he is responsible for some money due to breaking the lease, it is unreasonable to hold him responsible for the entire amount.
   18. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 25, 2020 at 07:34 PM (#5953441)
Syndegaard’d case is that, while he is responsible for some money due to breaking the lease, it is unreasonable to hold him responsible for the entire amount.


I think they meant legal case.

But if he really wanted to be a jerk about it, I suspect (perhaps incorrectly?) that he could start telling reporters that his beef is with Joe McLandlord who rents apartments at 123 such-and-such street. Which is probably not the kind of publicity that Joe wants.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 25, 2020 at 10:06 PM (#5953459)
But if he really wanted to be a jerk about it, I suspect (perhaps incorrectly?) that he could start telling reporters that his beef is with Joe McLandlord who rents apartments at 123 such-and-such street. Which is probably not the kind of publicity that Joe wants.

NYC landlords absolutely do not give a ####. They are already the lowest form of life in the universe. Calling them pond scum is an insult to algae.
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 25, 2020 at 10:09 PM (#5953463)

Recently, New York City and Albany in general has become harshly anti-Landlord, but the concern isn't about the tenants with deep pockets.

And Thor isn’t a tenant! If he actually lived there and claimed financial hardship, he wouldn’t get a lot of sympathy but he would have a stronger legal case, as I think the state has temporarily banned evictions. IANAL but the fact that he’s not physically in the premises reduces his leverage substantially.
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: May 25, 2020 at 10:15 PM (#5953464)
unless the landlord's lawyers are working pro bono (lol), then every month this drags on costs him legal fees. and IANAL, but I don't know that this one gets the "frivolous lawsuit" damages when he has at least gotten well away from complete delusion.

IF the guy's lawyers actually demanded full payment or else they go to the media, I still don't see how that results in a complete net win for the landlord.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 25, 2020 at 10:21 PM (#5953465)
unless the landlord's lawyers are working pro bono (lol), then every month this drags on costs him legal fees. and IANAL, but I don't know that this one gets the "frivolous lawsuit" damages when he has at least gotten well away from complete delusion.

IF the guy's lawyers actually demanded full payment or else they go to the media, I still don't see how that results in a complete net win for the landlord.


Well, they probably have no hope of re-renting the apartment at anything near what he was paying. So, their best bet is to go after him.
   23. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 25, 2020 at 10:32 PM (#5953467)
And Thor isn’t a tenant! If he actually lived there and claimed financial hardship, he wouldn’t get a lot of sympathy but he would have a stronger legal case, as I think the state has temporarily banned evictions. IANAL but the fact that he’s not physically in the premises reduces his leverage substantially.


Right. He signed a lease and then changed his mind due to his changing life circumstances. I have been paying rent on an apartment in Gainesville, FL while my son has been living at home since the end of March, and will continue to do so while he is living at home possibly until January.
   24. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 25, 2020 at 10:33 PM (#5953468)
So, their best bet is to go after him.


As they should.
   25. Howie Menckel Posted: May 25, 2020 at 11:23 PM (#5953487)
Well, they probably have no hope of re-renting the apartment at anything near what he was paying. So, their best bet is to go after him.

so the landlord seeks 250K as the full amount owed, no compromise.

a rich renter refuses to accept the demand, and the case drags on.

how does it help the landlord to piss off a rich, famous celebrity to the point where the laundry gets aired?

why not make a pitch for, say, 175, plus if he can rent it then he can maybe make a profit overall?

again, I don't see how going nuclear on Thor - IF that is what it is - benefits the landlord.

oh, wait, it might benefit the attorney....
   26. Bhaakon Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:03 AM (#5953503)
Maybe the landlord wants to make an example of someone, perhaps because they're used to operating an environment where demand is so high that they can afford to burn as many bridges as they feel like, and a famous tenant makes for a bigger example than some anonymous white-collar rich guy. Or the landlord is leveraged to the hilt and really just can't afford not to scrabble for every dollar right now. Or Syndergaard was kind of an ass and pissed them off.
   27. majorflaw Posted: May 26, 2020 at 09:05 AM (#5953523)
“ I think they meant legal case.”

That is his legal case, Counselor. I’ve tried dozens of cases in NYC Civil Court, where this one would be going, this is a better defense than most. And, while it might not be ultimately successful should it go that far, the fact that Syndegaard is willing to compromise while his LL is apparently not will work to Syndegaard’s benefit during the numerous settlement conferences which will precede any trial.


“the fact that he’s not physically in the premises reduces his leverage substantially.”

The fact that he isn’t physically in the premises is irrelevant. The fact that he never actually took possession of the premises is critical. It takes this case away from being a Landlord/Tenant issue—which would have sent it to the heavily pro—Tenant Housing Part and instead makes it a simple contract action. The Housing Part is used when the Landlord is seeking possession of the premises, among its remedies. Syndegaard’s argument will find fewer friends in one of the general Civil parts.

But it’s still a decent argument. Liquidated damages, penalties, etc, are invalidated when found to be excessive. How was the Landlord damaged here? He lost the opportunity to potentially lease the space to another tenant for a short period of time. If the LL can show that he had another tenant ready to rent that space for roughly the same money Syndegaard would be in trouble. But how likely is that—if the Landlord had another tenant ready he’d have already torn up Syndegaard’s lease and rented to the other guy. By not taking possession of the premises Syndegaard preserved his Landlord’s duty to mitigate.
   28. Adam Starblind Posted: May 26, 2020 at 09:33 AM (#5953533)
If the LL can show that he had another tenant ready to rent that space for roughly the same money Syndegaard would be in trouble. But how likely is that—if the Landlord had another tenant ready he’d have already torn up Syndegaard’s lease and rented to the other guy.


This doesn't sound right. Would make it almost impossible for a landlord to prove damages, and you'd never have to show that to prove damages for any other breach of contract. You're entitled to the benefit of the bargain, with a reduction for duty to mitigate.

   29. majorflaw Posted: May 26, 2020 at 11:01 AM (#5953547)
you'd never have to show that to prove damages for any other breach of contract. You're entitled to the benefit of the bargain, with a reduction for duty to mitigate”

In the Syndegaard situation the LL isn’t proving his actual damages. His argument is that he is entitled to all the rent provided for in the lease as “liquidated damages.” There is almost certainly a “liquidated damages” clause in the lease which allows the LL to sue now for the full amount of rent in the lease. My point was not that the LL would have to prove that he turned down another tenant who would have paid the same rent as Syndegaard to prevail but that having evidence of other tenants he rejected in favor of Syndegaard would indicate that the liquidated damages provided for in the lease were realistic and neither arbitrary nor excessive.
   30. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: May 26, 2020 at 11:21 AM (#5953551)
I pulled up the address - 116 Hudson Street - on Google Street View, and it does not exactly look like the kind of building where you would find a $27,000-a-month "posh Tribecca penthouse." But Manhattan real estate is obviously its own world.
   31. bobm Posted: May 26, 2020 at 11:29 AM (#5953554)
[30] here's the listing:

116 Hudson Street #PH
   32. PreservedFish Posted: May 26, 2020 at 11:32 AM (#5953555)
This has gotta be the place, right? I wonder how many thousands of dollars of damage that my family could do to all that white upholstery.
   33. bobm Posted: May 26, 2020 at 11:32 AM (#5953556)
I’ve tried dozens of cases in NYC Civil Court, where this one would be going, this is a better defense than most.

Or not. Federal Court is not going to care about that split-the-baby garbage you find in State Court.

600 Summer Street (NY) LLC v. Syndergaard

New York Southern District Court
Judge:Naomi Reice Buchwald
Case #:1:20-cv-03957
Nature of Suit 190 Contract - Other Contract
Cause 15:294 Breach of Contract
Case Filed:May 21, 2020
   34. Adam Starblind Posted: May 26, 2020 at 12:32 PM (#5953566)
My point was not that the LL would have to prove that he turned down another tenant who would have paid the same rent as Syndegaard to prevail but that having evidence of other tenants he rejected in favor of Syndegaard would indicate that the liquidated damages provided for in the lease were realistic and neither arbitrary nor excessive.


To show that, you could (probably would have to) put on evidence about how long it typically takes to rent a place like that. The landlord may take a haircut--but maybe not; the market for an apartment like that is small, and the term of the lease is short. If anything, the fact that there may have been another person interested in March helps Syndergaard, because it could show that it's not so difficult to rent a place like this after all.
   35. Adam Starblind Posted: May 26, 2020 at 12:35 PM (#5953567)
I pulled up the address - 116 Hudson Street - on Google Street View, and it does not exactly look like the kind of building where you would find a $27,000-a-month "posh Tribecca penthouse." But Manhattan real estate is obviously its own world.


That's what Tribeca looks like. Location, location, location.
   36. The Duke Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:05 PM (#5953569)
I wonder what Thor thinks the landlord should tell his bank who loaned him the money on the basis of a certain recurring revenue stream. It’s not clear to me why people always think the landlord should bear all the risk of a transaction. Having said that, the offer is a fair one. Players got paid through May and there is logic to his offer.
   37. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:11 PM (#5953571)
Well, at least the $27,000-a-month penthouse has an in-unit washer/dryer, amusing as it is to imagine Syndergaard having to lug his laundry to the nearest laundromat.
   38. majorflaw Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:27 PM (#5953573)
“ Federal Court is not going to care about that split-the-baby garbage you find in State Court.”

Federal Court is not going to care at all. Watch how quickly this is punted down to the Civil Court. That’s a NYC court not a NYS court. They can—and do—do that regularly, you know. This is in Federal Court likely for diversity of citizenship reasons. The situs of the LL and property in question is in NYC. There is no more appropriate place to try this than the NYC Civil Court.
   39. bobm Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:33 PM (#5953576)
NYS RPL 227-E provides:

Section 227-E Landlord duty to mitigate damages. In any lease or rental agreement, excluding any real estate purchase contract defined in paragraphs (a), (c) and (d) of subdivision four of section four hundred sixty-one of this chapter, covering premises occupied for dwelling purposes, if a tenant vacates a premises in violation of the terms of the lease, the landlord shall, in good faith and according to the landlord's resources and abilities, take reasonable and customary actions to rent the premises at fair market value or at the rate agreed to during the term of the tenancy, whichever is lower. If the landlord rents the premises at fair market value or at the rate agreed to during the term of the tenancy, the new tenant's lease shall, once in effect, terminate the previous tenant's lease and mitigate damages otherwise recoverable against the previous tenant because of such tenant's vacating the premises. The burden of proof shall be on the party seeking to recover damages. Any provision in a lease that exempts a landlord's duty to mitigate damages under this section shall be void as contrary to public policy.
   40. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:37 PM (#5953578)
I pulled up the address - 116 Hudson Street - on Google Street View,


Perhaps this is the real design behind the lawsuit and publicity -- the landlord will now have thousands of people looking at his listing.
   41. bobm Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:43 PM (#5953581)
Federal Court is not going to care at all. Watch how quickly this is punted down to the Civil Court. That’s a NYC court not a NYS court. They can—and do—do that regularly, you know. This is in Federal Court likely for diversity of citizenship reasons. The situs of the LL and property in question is in NYC. There is no more appropriate place to try this than the NYC Civil Court.

I have seen federal courts retain jurisdiction over "state matters" for all sorts of reasons.

Parties

5. 600 Summer (NY) LLC is the record owner of 116 Hudson Street, is a limited liability company formed under the laws of the State of New York, with its primary place of business in New York City, and a citizen of the State of Connecticut. 600 Summer's sole member is Marjo, LLC a limited liability company formed undler the laws of the State of Connecticut. Marjo, LLC's sole member, in turn is Marshall Goldberg, a trustee for the benefit of Jon Goldberg. Marshall Goldberg is a natural person, and citizen of the State of Connecticut.

6. Noah Syndergaard is a citizen of the State of Texas. His address is [go look on PACER yourself] Dallas TX, [go look on PACER yourself].

Jurisdiction and Venue

7. This Court has jurisdiction over this matter (i) pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1332(a)(l) because it arises between citizens of different States, (ii) pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1332(b) because the amount to be recovered is in excess of $250,000, plus attorneys fees, and 9% prejudgment interest under New York law.

8. This action is properly brought in this District pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1391(b)(2) because a substantial part of the events or omissions giving rise to the claim occurred in this District and a substantial part of property that is the subject of the action is situated in this District.
   42. bobm Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:44 PM (#5953582)
Perhaps this is the real design behind the lawsuit and publicity -- the landlord will now have thousands of people looking at his listing.

Thus fulfilling his duty to mitigate.
   43. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:49 PM (#5953584)

Well, at least the $27,000-a-month penthouse has an in-unit washer/dryer, amusing as it is to imagine Syndergaard having to lug his laundry to the nearest laundromat.

I'm pretty sure Syndergaard wouldn't be doing his own laundry, washer/dryer in-unit or not. But who knows?
   44. McCoy Posted: May 26, 2020 at 01:55 PM (#5953586)
Why wouldn't he do his own? MJ did as a young star
   45. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:16 PM (#5953591)
Why wouldn't he do his own? MJ did as a young star

Because he can hire someone to come in and clean, and do his laundry one day a week, for $75-100? I didn't do my own laundry when I lived alone in NYC, why would a guy who's made $10M before age 30?
   46. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:20 PM (#5953593)
With no baseball to watch in the background, I assume all laundry folding has also come to a halt in the US.
   47. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:21 PM (#5953595)
Maybe I'm from a different socio-economic class, but I couldn't conceive of hiring someone to do laundry and clean for me, and I'm a slob. It's unamerican to have servants, even part-time ones.
   48. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:25 PM (#5953596)
Watch how quickly this is punted down to the Civil Court.

It's been a while since I looked at this, but it's up to Syndergaard to remove this to state court, correct? Since there appears to be diversity and this satisfied the threshold amount in controversy, the court can't simply decide it doesn't want to hear it. At least I didn't think so.
   49. McCoy Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:30 PM (#5953598)

Because he can hire someone to come in and clean, and do his laundry one day a week, for $75-100? I didn't do my own laundry when I lived alone in NYC, why would a guy who's made $10M before age 30?



Did you have a washer and dryer in your apartment?

Yes in NYC it's a lot easier than in other places to drop off your laundry somewhere but that is different than finding someone and giving them access to your apartment. Especially for a celebrity. Does the tribeca unit have a concierge?
   50. Zach Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:33 PM (#5953599)
I smell a RENT revival! Maybe crossed with @#$@# Yankees.
   51. bobm Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:47 PM (#5953604)
It's been a while since I looked at this, but it's up to Syndergaard to remove this to state court, correct? Since there appears to be diversity and this satisfied the threshold amount in controversy, the court can't simply decide it doesn't want to hear it. At least I didn't think so.

The case apparently originated in a federal court and was not removed from state court. How can a defendant to remove a case originating in federal court (excl. bankruptcy and non-Article III courts, etc.) into state court? The defendant's remedy is only that if the feds lack jurisdiction, the case goes away, right?
   52. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:49 PM (#5953606)
Maybe I'm from a different socio-economic class, but I couldn't conceive of hiring someone to do laundry and clean for me, and I'm a slob.
I have friends like this. Refuse to spend money on things like sending clothes out to launder/press, or hire a cleaning service, etc. I don't take that approach, but I was raised in a similar economic stratum and I do get it.

It's unamerican to have servants, even part-time ones.
I hope this is tongue in cheek. Or, if it's not, that you also refuse to take cabs or Uber, have someone do your taxes for you, get food delivered, etc.
   53. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:54 PM (#5953609)
Did you have a washer and dryer in your apartment?

No, but thew were either on the floor, or in the basement of my buildings. It's very easy for the cleaner to do the laundry while cleaning, what with all the dead time in laundry.

Yes in NYC it's a lot easier than in other places to drop off your laundry somewhere but that is different than finding someone and giving them access to your apartment. Especially for a celebrity. Does the tribeca unit have a concierge?

My last building had a doorman who would give/retrieve keys from cleaners. I'm sure a $27,000 a month apartment does.
   54. McCoy Posted: May 26, 2020 at 03:08 PM (#5953611)
Noah is not exactly some captain of industry. It's not like he's going to be too busy to stick 5 shirts in the washing machine in his own apartment on his way to the gym.

I've been there. I've had city apartments where the machines weren't in the unit or the building didn't even have any. It sucks and I with absolutely hand it off if it was in my office range. But I've also had a unit with a washer and dryer in the unit. They're sneezing convenient.
   55. The Honorable Ardo Posted: May 26, 2020 at 03:15 PM (#5953616)

NYC landlords absolutely do not give a ####. They are already the lowest form of life in the universe. Calling them pond scum is an insult to algae.

Too bad the American people elected one of them President.
(Oh snap!)
   56. dejarouehg Posted: May 26, 2020 at 04:17 PM (#5953638)
NYC landlords absolutely do not give a ####. They are already the lowest form of life in the universe. Calling them pond scum is an insult to algae.


I wonder what the reaction here would be if one were to generalize/stereotype about a different specified group based on something other than occupation.

Not that I disagree with your sentiment on the whole.



   57. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: May 26, 2020 at 04:27 PM (#5953640)
I hope this is tongue in cheek. Or, if it's not, that you also refuse to take cabs or Uber, have someone do your taxes for you, get food delivered, etc.


There's a difference between the domestic and the public face of ourselves. I'd ask a friend to drive me somewhere as a favor, but would I ask them to do my dishes? No, I would not, even if the dishes ostensibly take less time and effort.
   58. Howie Menckel Posted: May 26, 2020 at 04:40 PM (#5953645)
I'm pretty sure Syndergaard wouldn't be doing his own laundry


probably not, but he does march to his own drummer.

in 2016, he agreed to Mets cable channel request for him to dress up as Thor, then try to blend in with all the "superheroes" who have their own section of Times Square in Manhattan.

wow, this is even funnier than I remembered

love how he "gets into his role" in that 4-minute highlight reel - would make DeNiro or Pacino proud....
   59. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 26, 2020 at 04:41 PM (#5953646)
But I've also had a unit with a washer and dryer in the unit. They're sneezing convenient.
We do laundry here in the apartment every single day (or, did, when I was going to the gym every day, now every other day or every three days maybe). Mrs. Bea would kill me if we didn't have washer/dryer in the apartment.
   60. Zonk WARRIORS ALONE! Posted: May 26, 2020 at 04:48 PM (#5953649)
Maybe I'm from a different socio-economic class, but I couldn't conceive of hiring someone to do laundry and clean for me, and I'm a slob.
I have friends like this. Refuse to spend money on things like sending clothes out to launder/press, or hire a cleaning service, etc. I don't take that approach, but I was raised in a similar economic stratum and I do get it.


I take things that need to be pressed to the dry cleaner because I am terrible at ironing....

But I really cannot see ever "sending laundry out" much less hiring someone to "clean".

My family was fanatical about making sure to "clean the room" - including make up the bed, etc - on the occasions we stayed in a hotel. I am an absolute and total slob, but when I travel for business, for example? Do Not Disturb door hanger goes on the door if I haven't at least cleaned up the bathroom and at least pseudo-made the bed.

I'd never hire a cleaning service because it would just mean I'd have to spend hours "pre-cleaning"....
   61. Adam Starblind Posted: May 26, 2020 at 06:17 PM (#5953673)
Our cleaning women don't do our laundry, but they fold it and (sometimes, not sure why only sometimes) put it away. I think that's a good compromise. Sticking the clothes in the machine is the easiest part of the process.
   62. McCoy Posted: May 26, 2020 at 06:21 PM (#5953674)
Our cleaning woman would do laundry but it's going to take more time so it's going to cost more. So we don't do that.

Adam, it's possible they are finishing out their "time" with you. I don't know how you have it set up with them.
   63. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: May 26, 2020 at 07:20 PM (#5953686)
Sticking the clothes in the machine is the easiest part of the process.


You think touching other people's filthy clothes is easy?
   64. Adam Starblind Posted: May 26, 2020 at 09:29 PM (#5953715)
You think touching other people's filthy clothes is easy?.


Hell no. That’s disgusting. I meant easiest for me with my own clothes.

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