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Nolan Arenado feels “disrespected” as Rockies GM Jeff Bridich nixes trade talks

On the same day Rockies general manager Jeff Bridich put the brakes on the Nolan Arenado trade rumors, the all-star third baseman broke his silence Monday saying he felt “disrespected.”

Bridich made it clear that Arenado will be with the Rockies when they open spring training next month in Scottsdale, Ariz. He also made it clear that, at least for now, trade talks are off the table.

“With the season coming up and spring training on the horizon, we are going to start focusing on that,” Bridich said. “We have listened to teams regarding Nolan and really nothing has come of it. We are going to move forward pretty much as we expected — with Nolan in the purple and black and as our third baseman.

“So we can put this to bed and collectively look forward to the upcoming season and work toward that.”

Well, the coming season should be fun for the good folk of Denver…...

 

QLE Posted: January 21, 2020 at 12:21 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: January 21, 2020 at 08:31 AM (#5917725)
Bridich sounds like a moron.
   2. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:14 AM (#5917732)
Heh... well THIS should certainly help his trade value!
   3. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:21 AM (#5917734)
Bridich sounds like a moron.

More than the guy who signed an 8-year deal when he was one year from free agency? (yes, I'm aware of the opt out after 2021)
   4. . Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:24 AM (#5917738)
As if a player under contract for a bunch more years should just be able to say, "I want to be traded," and automatically be traded.
   5. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:24 AM (#5917740)
More than the guy who signed an 8-year deal when he was one year from free agency? (yes, I'm aware of the opt out after 2021)

He signed a $255 million contract, with an opt-out. Why was that moronic? Seems like he got a pretty good deal.
   6. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:33 AM (#5917744)
I think he DOES have a full no-trade clause, no?

It's pretty stupid to so publicly shop him he's got one of those... He's got all the cards necessary to make Bridich miserable than the other way around.

He's the one guaranteed to get paid handsomely for the next 6 years - and paid by Colorado, if he so chooses, not the GM.
   7. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:45 AM (#5917747)
He signed a $255 million contract, with an opt-out. Why was that moronic? Seems like he got a pretty good deal.

Sure, if all he cares about is financial security then he did fine (though he also would've been fine if he had waited until free agency). But he's demanding a trade a year after signing a long-term deal. That's moronic.
   8. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:51 AM (#5917751)
But he's demanding a trade a year after signing a long-term deal. That's moronic.

I haven't heard anything about him demanding a trade. Where did you see that?

I think he DOES have a full no-trade clause, no?

Yep
   9. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 21, 2020 at 09:58 AM (#5917754)
Okay, then he's requested a trade. I think that's a fair reading of someone who's dissatisfied with the front office's lack of action and said the team "disrespected" him. That doesn't change my larger point.
   10. Zonk Hasn't Learned his Aspirational Lesson Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:01 AM (#5917755)
I don't he ever requested a trade either, did he?

I think he made some comments at the end of last season that he was upset about the team's performance and direction, but that's not requesting a trade. I imagine every player under contract says upset things after a 71 win season...

Unless Tom or someone who follows the Rockies more closely knows otherwise, I was under the impression that the shopping was all initiated on the FO's part.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:02 AM (#5917756)
Is this timeline correct?

After 2018 season: Rockies-Arenado relationship is good, and they agree on the new deal.
2019 season: They lose and *something* makes Arenado mad at the organization.
After 2019 season: They know he is mad at the organization and they explore trade ideas with his blessing.

What is the *something* besides just one losing season?
   12. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:08 AM (#5917758)

After 2019 season: They know he is mad at the organization and they explore trade ideas with his blessing.

Did they have his blessing? Other teams reportedly approached the Rockies, perhaps they said they would only go to Nolan about waiving his NTC once they had an acceptable deal with someone. He hasn't commented publicly and I haven't seen anything saying that he was ok with being traded.

I assumed he felt "disrespected" that they were considering trading him (which might not be a completely rational way to respond, but players aren't robots).
   13. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:08 AM (#5917759)


What is the *something* besides just one losing season?


What makes you think there had to be something else?
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:21 AM (#5917762)
Did they have his blessing? Other teams reportedly approached the Rockies, perhaps they said they would only go to Nolan about waiving his NTC once they had an acceptable deal with someone. He hasn't commented publicly and I haven't seen anything saying that he was ok with being traded.

I assumed he felt "disrespected" that they were considering trading him (which might not be a completely rational way to respond, but players aren't robots).
FWIW, this is from the Denver Post article which got comments from him: Asked about Bridich’s comments, Arenado said: “I really don’t care what’s being said. I just know that I feel disrespected over there.”

Arenado declined to elaborate on what he meant by “disrespected,” but said it was more than just about the trade talk.
   15. puck Posted: January 21, 2020 at 10:44 AM (#5917767)
Bridich has been a poor GM in terms of his signings and also seems poor at dealing with people. He famously waved off criticism from the media by comparing it to people criticizing a brain surgeon.

I don't remember anyone blaming Arenado directly for the poor season but Bridich went in the direction of blaming the players.


I was under the impression that the shopping was all initiated on the FO's part.


I don't think anyone knows. Good player, bad team, teams are going to inquire, and no one on the Rockies should be hanging up the phone, you don't know what people are going to offer. But I also don't think the Rockies clarified anything publicly, like Francona did about Lindor.
   16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:40 AM (#5917785)
I got the impression somewhere that promises may have been made w/r/t the organizational strategy when Arenado agreed to the extension, and that those promises may not have been kept.

Also possibly relevant:

I’ll never talk to him, never talk to those people," Tulowitzki told USA TODAY Sports. “You get lied to, straight to your face, you get upset. I believe in forgiveness, but at the same time, I don’t plan on being friendly with them, or anything like that.’’ The last time he talked to Rockies GM Jeff Bridich was the evening of July 27. Tulowitzki was sitting with Walt Weiss in the visiting manager’s office at Wrigley Field, and he was screaming at him, after being notified he had just been traded to Toronto.


And this, too:

Tulowitzki would come to believe that he had an understanding with Monfort, a gentlemen's agreement of sorts, that the Rockies would keep him informed and even give him input into any possible trade.

While Tulowitzki would talk with teammates about the possibility he would get traded, he never worried about being surprised by a trade—because of that understanding.

Then, on that night at Wrigley, he was more than surprised. He was stunned, "blindsided," as he put it in a conversation with Denver reporters the day after the trade.

Bridich maintains that he had several conversations with Paul Cohen, Tulowitzki's agent, and that he "kept him in the loop." But the general manager also maintains that the way things went down on July 27, the day of the trade, made full disclosure impossible.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:50 AM (#5917789)
Well, at least there's one front office left where the "BBTF college of GMs" would be an improvement.
   18. base ball chick Posted: January 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM (#5917800)
and there is WHAT evidence from nolan that he asked for a trade?

it sure sounds to me that this was a surprise and after signing with a no trade, i would also feel disrespected. to put it mildly. i remember readibg that the rox are the ones who put in the opt out, not nolan.

looks to me like they are trying to make him look bad so he will request the trade so they can dump him so as the monforts can reduce payroll and pocket more $$$
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM (#5917802)
Is this timeline correct?

After 2018 season: Rockies-Arenado relationship is good, and they agree on the new deal.
2019 season: They lose and *something* makes Arenado mad at the organization.
After 2019 season: They know he is mad at the organization and they explore trade ideas with his blessing.


It's possible I missed something, but I never heard about anything making Arenado mad at the organization, other than being disappointed with the 2019 season. There certainly wasn't anything made public before the rumors started about Arenado being on the market, rumors that Bridich did nothing to shoot down. Arenado never "demanded" or "requested" a trade, or anything like that. None of this was done with his blessing, near as I can tell. He hates Bridich, but that's a popular position these days.

The Rockies are in a terrible position after the disastrous 2019 season. They have a strongish core of young talent, which they have surrounded with putrid free agents like Wade Davis, Ian Desmond, Bryan Shaw and Daniel Murphy. Those four players combined for -2.2 WAR in 2019, and they are collectively owed roughly $50 million this year. So there's not only no room for adding talent, but the front office acts like they're honor-bound to play stinky players if they're owed a bunch of money. What a mess. If I were Nolan, I'd be upset too.
   20. . Posted: January 21, 2020 at 01:31 PM (#5917843)
I got the impression somewhere that promises may have been made w/r/t the organizational strategy when Arenado agreed to the extension, and that those promises may not have been kept.


Such "promises" are completely unenforceable, and only a naif would rely on them.

I’ll never talk to him, never talk to those people," Tulowitzki told USA TODAY Sports. “You get lied to, straight to your face, you get upset. I believe in forgiveness, but at the same time, I don’t plan on being friendly with them, or anything like that.’’ The last time he talked to Rockies GM Jeff Bridich was the evening of July 27. Tulowitzki was sitting with Walt Weiss in the visiting manager’s office at Wrigley Field, and he was screaming at him, after being notified he had just been traded to Toronto.


A baseball player screaming at a GM after he was traded a few days before the trade deadline. Yeah, that sounds sane.

Then, on that night at Wrigley, he was more than surprised. He was stunned, "blindsided," as he put it in a conversation with Denver reporters the day after the trade.


Boo-#######-hoo. You're a grown man. You weren't owed anything and you aren't some kind of untradeable snowflake unless your contract or work rules explicitly say you are. Grow up.
   21. base ball chick Posted: January 21, 2020 at 01:48 PM (#5917858)
if the GM directly explicitly lied to his face and said - you are not getting traded OR if we want to trade you, we will include you/your agent, and he traded him without any further conversation, he certainly has a right to be angry about being lied to. people generally get angry when they find out someone they trusted lied to their face. AND with a handshake

it is not that the GM doesn't have a right to trade him at all
   22. . Posted: January 21, 2020 at 01:55 PM (#5917862)
Sure, but we'd need far more evidence to reasonably conclude there was such a promise. In professional sports promises like that are very, very rarely made -- there's no consideration for them, and there's no reason for management to make them. Traded players often hint at them, but usually after the trade is done and they're emotionally down.

Even if the GM says, "We're not going to trade you," there's no reason to trust him. That's what I meant by "grow up." This isn't middle school. Their obligation isn't to you; it's to the organization. If they have the contractual right to trade you, you might be traded. That sounds harsh, and maybe it is a harsh business (I don't know, having never been involved in it), but pro sports are kind of the ultimate meritocracy and, unfortunately, the end of an employee's useful service comes decades earlier than in virtually every other paid avocation. The most likely explanation for Tulo's "but you promised!" lashout, which many, many athletes do, is that they realize all this and are looking for any evidence at all that they're exempt from the iron laws of their ultimate professional mortality. The bell was tolling for Tulo, and deep down he knew it. Psychologically understandable, but we shouldn't expect a whole lot of logic.

When he was traded, Tulo was near the end and was owed a boatload of money. It's entirely understandable that he would have been traded. That's tough on an athlete and often causes them to lash out illogically. That appears to be the case here.
   23. Lars6788 Posted: January 21, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5917865)
No, it’s signing him to be a franchise cornerstone and dangling the idea that hey ‘we might not really want to pay you so we’ll have these prolonged talks with other teams to see if we can get a bounty and if the price is right, we’ll pull the trigger.’

What happened to Arenado is the ‘of course we’ll listen to everybody’s offers for our star players in a trade offer,’ but with serious implications.
   24. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 21, 2020 at 02:18 PM (#5917869)

No, it’s signing him to be a franchise cornerstone and dangling the idea that hey ‘we might not really want to pay you so we’ll have these prolonged talks with other teams to see if we can get a bounty and if the price is right, we’ll pull the trigger.’

He has a full NTC. They couldn't pull the trigger without his consent. He can still be upset that they tried to trade him -- if he is, it may reflect a communication failure by the front office.
   25. base ball chick Posted: January 21, 2020 at 02:19 PM (#5917872)
there is zero reason for a GM to lie to a player, with a handshake, and tell him he won't be traded when he can say - well, it's a bidness, you know how that goes. if something falls in our lap, bidness is bidness

why is it necessary - except in boston - to make a player angry when he leaves

unless it is your belief that tulo is the liar here, or that people shouldn't mind at all if their boss lies to them
   26. . Posted: January 21, 2020 at 02:28 PM (#5917875)
there is zero reason for a GM to lie to a player, with a handshake, and tell him he won't be traded when he can say - well, it's a bidness, you know how that goes. if something falls in our lap, bidness is bidness


Telling him you'll consult with him and that he's special yadda yadda yadda keeps his morale up -- that's the reason. Keeping employee/player morale up is part of the job. I manage egos, too; sometimes it's a good managerial idea to kiss their butts and fudge things (*) whether or not you actually mean it.(**) There's an unavoidable manipulative element to it. And then, yeah sure, if there comes a time for the cold, hard business realities to hit, they can get pissed off. Again, perfectly understandable.

unless it is your belief that tulo is the liar here, or that people shouldn't mind at all if their boss lies to them


"Lie" is too stark and binary a term for the reality of these things.

(*) Note here that the term "fudge things" is completely different than "lie."

(**) This isn't the Geico commercial; we don't all wear Pinocchio noses around that expand when we tell people they have potential.
   27. bfan Posted: January 21, 2020 at 03:06 PM (#5917880)
The flip side is he burdened a mid-market team with a big market salary, limiting what else the team could do to buy talent. He absolutely earned the salary he negotiated, and he should not have taken one penny less, but he also had the ability to read whatever resources existed that had Rockies' salary rankings, and if they were mid to low (I show them as 16th in the league, in 2017), he had to know he was sucking some ability out of the Rockies to purchase other high-end players.
   28. base ball chick Posted: January 21, 2020 at 03:39 PM (#5917892)
he didn't "burden" the team. he was worth every penny and then some

if they didn't want to pay him, they shouldn't have extended him - nobody forced them to. or given him a no trade. or traded him mid season last year.


   29. bfan Posted: January 21, 2020 at 03:46 PM (#5917896)
He absolutely earned the salary he negotiated, and he should not have taken one penny less,


Yes, that is what the very next sentence said. My point is that he had data available to him to suggest if they paid him that much (which, you also understand, he was free to turn down, and to maybe take less money from a franchise with more room in their salary line item), that it would be no surprise when he didn't find himself teamed with Bryce Harper or Manny Machado the next year (and so on as to other high end free agents with prospects to bring improvement and more wins to the team).
   30. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 21, 2020 at 03:49 PM (#5917897)
The flip side is he burdened a mid-market team with a big market salary, limiting what else the team could do to buy talent.


If the Rockies can "afford" to pay Ian Desmond and Wade Davis a combined $32 million to wreck the team next year, they can afford $35 million for Arenado to be a superstar. Overpaying a great player doesn't cripple a franchise, but overpaying for garbage sure does.
   31. base ball chick Posted: January 21, 2020 at 03:54 PM (#5917900)

If the Rockies can "afford" to pay Ian Desmond and Wade Davis a combined $32 million to wreck the team next year, they can afford $35 million for Arenado to be a superstar. Overpaying a great player doesn't cripple a franchise, but overpaying for garbage sure does


DINGDINGDING

aand nolan isn't overpaid, neither

"room" for salary in the budget means zero these days with the high money franchises trying to constantly reduce payrolls as to make more $$$ for the owners. ain't just the marlins no mo
   32. bfan Posted: January 21, 2020 at 03:58 PM (#5917902)

If the Rockies can "afford" to pay Ian Desmond and Wade Davis a combined $32 million to wreck the team next year, they can afford $35 million for Arenado to be a superstar. Overpaying a great player doesn't cripple a franchise, but overpaying for garbage sure does.


I agree with that, but no team has ever been able to determine garbage and bargains on the front side of free agent signings (or if there is a team who has signed, say 5 or more, and not made a mistake on one of them, please indicate which one[s]).

This sort of thing drives me nuts, such as the people who criticized the Angels for not "surrounding Mike Trout with better players and squandering his talent." They signed Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton as free agents at healthy market prices, at what seemed to be the zenith of their careers, and then they turned into terrible contracts.
   33. Hank Gillette Posted: January 21, 2020 at 04:35 PM (#5917921)
They signed Albert Pujols and Josh Hamilton as free agents at healthy market prices, at what seemed to be the zenith of their careers, and then they turned into terrible contracts.


Pujols was 32, and had declined for two consecutive years from his last superstar season. Everyone knew that the back end of the contract was going to be brutal, but he declined even faster than the pessimists expected.

Hamilton was also 32, in a two-year decline, and had a very public history of drug problems.

Either may have been a reasonable gamble, but they were not at their zenith.

   34. bfan Posted: January 21, 2020 at 04:58 PM (#5917937)
Pujols was 32, and had declined for two consecutive years from his last superstar season. Everyone knew that the back end of the contract was going to be brutal, but he declined even faster than the pessimists expected.

Hamilton was also 32, in a two-year decline, and had a very public history of drug problems.

Either may have been a reasonable gamble, but they were not at their zenith.


Pujols was coming off a 5.3 WAR season with an OPS+ of 148.

Hamilton was coming off a 4.0 WAR season with an OPS+ of 141.

If you look at the WAR3 column on baseball reference (which I assume is WAR over the last 3 years) under free agent signings, each of them was the biggest FA signing of their respective year (and Pujols by a wide margin).

Maybe not their zenith, but goodness gracious, they were BFD signings (the top FA hitting the market that year), and the point still stands.
   35. Walt Davis Posted: January 21, 2020 at 05:12 PM (#5917948)
But everybody thought the Desmond contract was a massive overpay. (Wade Davis maybe not.) In a thread last year, we looked at all of Birdich's FA signings and the return on the multi-year, "big" money ones was beyond dismal and it was more than these two contracts.

I have no idea what's going on here but if the choice is between Birdich and Arenado, Rox ownership should pick Arenado. Birdich should have been canned a couple of years ago.
   36. Perry Posted: January 21, 2020 at 05:44 PM (#5917961)
If the Rockies can "afford" to pay Ian Desmond and Wade Davis a combined $32 million to wreck the team next year, they can afford $35 million for Arenado to be a superstar. Overpaying a great player doesn't cripple a franchise, but overpaying for garbage sure does.


This is it exactly, and you can add Jake McGee and Mike Dunn and Daniel Murphy to the list. On the other hand, all those signings predated Nolan's extension, so he should have had some idea of the acumen of the FO he was dealing with.
   37. puck Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:01 PM (#5918096)
In a thread last year, we looked at all of Birdich's FA signings and the return on the multi-year, "big" money ones was beyond dismal and it was more than these two contracts.


Found it! Maybe it's a plus that Bridich hasn't signed any free agents this season?


(Posted in June 2019)

------------------


2014-15
----------
Daniel Descalso FA $2.6M/2yr -0.1 WAR
Nick Hundley FA $6.25M/2yr, 2.0 WAR
John Axford FA $2.6M 0.7 WAR
Kyle Kendrick FA $5.5M/1yr, 0.3 WAR


2015-16
----------
Jason Motta FA 1yr/$5M, 0 WAR
Chad Qualls FA 2yr/$6M, -0.2 WAR
Mark Reynolds FA 1 yr/2.6M, 1.5 WAR
Gerardo Parra FA 3yrs/$26M, -1.6 WAR
Ryan Rayburn FA 1 yr/$1.5M, -0.6 WAR

2016-17
-----------
Ian Desmond FA 5 yr/$70M, -2.1 WAR so far
Mike Dunn FA 3 yr/$19M, -0.1 WAR so far
Greg Holland FA 1yr/6M, 1.5 WAR
Mark Reynolds FA 1 yr/1.5M, 0.8 WAR
Ryan Hanigan FA 1yr/1.25M, 0 WAR

2017-18
------------
Chris Iannetta FA 2 yr/$8.5M, -0.2 WAR so far
Jake McGee FA 3 yr/$27M, -0.3 WAR so far
Bryan Shaw FA 3 yr/$27M, -0.1 WAR so far
Wade Davis FA 3 yr/$52M, 1.3 WAR so far
Carlos Gonzalez FA, 1 yr/$5M, 0.4 WAR


2018-19
------------
Daniel Murphy FA 2 yr/$24M, -0.2 WAR so far

-------------------------------


Davis is now at negative WAR for his Rockies career.
Daniel Murphy inched up to 0.2 WAR.
   38. puck Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:19 PM (#5918102)
Here's a little more from Troy Renck (former Rockies beat writer):

Hours after general manager Jeff Bridich told our partners at The Denver Post that, after listening to offers this winter, he has no plans to trade the five-time All-Star, Arenado reacted with anger.

"Jeff is very disrespectful. I never talk trash or anything," Arenado texted to Denver7. "I play hard, keep my mouth shut. But I can only get crossed so many times."

Arenado made it clear he was not upset about the trade talk. The relationship has fractured over the last several months over multiple issues that have left Arenado unhappy. Bridich told MLB.com on Monday that he would respond soon to Arenado's comments about 'disrespect.'
   39. puck Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:20 PM (#5918104)
Bridich will probably lose both Arenado and Story. Arenado get traded or will actually opt out, and Story won't want to sign a long term deal with that going on. This year they're taking Story to arb over $750,000.
   40. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 21, 2020 at 11:24 PM (#5918106)
In case you couldn't tell, Bridich went to Harvard.
   41. Walt Davis Posted: January 22, 2020 at 12:01 AM (#5918116)
Further to #37 and from that thread:

Totalling that I get (give or take) $300 M for 3 WAR (and counting although not necessarily in the right direction). Might as well have signed Bryce Harper.

For the "small" deals I get $54.4 M for 6.1 WAR which isn't good but isn't terrible. Which leaves the rest at $246 M for -3 WAR which is just mind-boggling.


(No guarantees on my addition) but that's the sort of work that gets you fired. For comparison, Pujols is gonna work out to be something like 14 WAR for $250 M. Bridich is the Howard extension and the Hamilton FA contract rolled into one.

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