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Saturday, November 17, 2007

N.Y. Daily News: Mets eye David Eckstein

DIAL-A-SCRAPPY and drop the first ‘S’ for savings!

Mets officials dined with free-agent infielder David Eckstein in Greenwich, Conn., this week in the hopes he’ll fill the second base vacancy in Flushing.

By employing the same kind of treatment that wooed Billy Wagner and Tom Glavine during previous offseasons, Mets officials are illustrating how serious they are about signing the sparkplug to play second.

...Aside from signing Eckstein or Castillo, the Mets could pursue a trade for Orlando Hudson, Arizona’s second baseman and a three-time Gold Glove winner, who is a year away from free agency. But signing a free agent would allow the Mets to preserve their top prospects for a run at a front-line starting pitcher.

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   1. Roadblock Jones Posted: November 17, 2007 at 01:22 PM (#2618325)
yikes
   2. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: November 17, 2007 at 01:28 PM (#2618327)
Eckstein is certainly an upgrade over LoDoucha in the 'Gritty Non-Virulent Veteran Clubhouse Presence' category.
   3. Swedish Chef Posted: November 17, 2007 at 01:48 PM (#2618332)
But signing a free agent would allow the Mets to preserve their top prospects for a run at a front-line starting pitcher.


For the sake of BBTF Mets fans' sanity, let us hope that was an extrapolation by the writer.
   4. Amit Posted: November 17, 2007 at 02:08 PM (#2618340)
By employing the same kind of treatment that wooed Billy Wagner and Tom Glavine during previous offseasons, Mets officials are illustrating how serious they are about signing the sparkplug to play second.

We call it the "White People Treatment"!
   5. Win one for Agrippa (haplo53) Posted: November 17, 2007 at 02:42 PM (#2618352)
so... does this mean eckstein is now their first choice? I was never super in love with castillo, so I don't mind too much - seems like a wash between castillo and eckstein at second.

I'd be more concerned with eckstein staying healthy than I would be with anything else (though you could say the same about castillo). also, in a perfect world I think the mets would try out gotay as a lefty in a platoon with somebody.
   6. 1k5v3L Posted: November 17, 2007 at 02:47 PM (#2618354)
the Mets could pursue a trade for Orlando Hudson


GEORGE: (clears his throat) I’m, uh, I’m an architect.

VANESSA: Really. What do you design?

GEORGE: Uh, railroads, uh...

VANESSA: I thought engineers do that.

GEORGE: They can...
   7. Lassus Posted: November 17, 2007 at 03:35 PM (#2618381)
No. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no, fifty-three times, no!
   8. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: November 17, 2007 at 03:53 PM (#2618391)
I don't really mind Eckstein. Is he a type A free agent, though?
   9. The District Attorney Posted: November 17, 2007 at 03:53 PM (#2618392)
I was never super in love with castillo, so I don't mind too much - seems like a wash between castillo and eckstein at second.
Agreed. I'd rather have the Gotay/Easley platoon than either, but if you didn't flip out over retaining Castillo (or getting someone like Iguchi), then I dunno why you'd flip out over getting Eckstein, in terms of on-field.

And if they don't really intend to make all that many changes this offseason, it might be a good PR move, because they can spin it as "we concentrated on our real problem, which wasn't the players -- it was HEART." Fans and media will eat that one up.
   10. CraigK Posted: November 17, 2007 at 03:55 PM (#2618394)
*chortle*

Enjoy the ~.300 SLG, guys.
   11. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 04:06 PM (#2618400)
Enjoy the ~.300 SLG, guys.

David Eckstein's career SLG: .362
David Eckstein's career low SLG: .325 (2003)
David Eckstein's SLG, 2007: .382

Luis Castillo's career SLG: .358
Luis Castillo's career low SLG: .341 (2001)
Luis Castillo's SLG, 2007: .359

I think we pretty much have the idea of the slugging that comes with David Eckstein. Same with OBP. He pretty much IS Luis Castillo. The Mets probably have a pretty good idea whether they want Castillo back after 50 games last year, and if their call is they'd rather go with his statistical clone, I really have no basis for second-guessing that.

I don't want to go with a Gotay/Easley platoon, mostly because I suspect they are going to need Easley for other things more often than that and I'm pretty skeptical that Gotay's 2007 was a big-time fluke. But if they go with either Castillo or Eckstein, you can bet that Gotay or Easley is going to get significant playing time anyway, so don't fret about them being buried.
   12. Amit Posted: November 17, 2007 at 04:09 PM (#2618402)
I suspect they are going to need Easley for other things more often than that and I'm pretty skeptical that Gotay's 2007 was a big-time fluke.


And Easley's, for that matter.
   13. StHendu Posted: November 17, 2007 at 04:11 PM (#2618403)
seems like a wash between castillo and eckstein at second.

Castillo has had the better career up to now, and is 8 months younger. Castillo:
1)won 3 gold gloves to 0 for Eckstein.
2)has OBP .017 higher and slg about the same (-.04) as Eck
3)stole 3 times as many bases, in 440 more games
4)played in higher quality division in ballparks that suppress scoring to a higher degree
   14. CraigK Posted: November 17, 2007 at 04:23 PM (#2618407)
I think we pretty much have the idea of the slugging that comes with David Eckstein. Same with OBP. He pretty much IS Luis Castillo. The Mets probably have a pretty good idea whether they want Castillo back after 50 games last year, and if their call is they'd rather go with his statistical clone, I really have no basis for second-guessing that.

Yeah, but the big problem with Eckstein is that he walks such a tightrope that if his skills erode any further, you've got a crappy-fielding middle infielder with a .280 SLG and god-knows-how-bad OBP.
   15. Amit Posted: November 17, 2007 at 04:25 PM (#2618410)
That is not a difference between Eckstein and Castillo.
   16. Metman died today. Or yesterday maybe, Posted: November 17, 2007 at 04:33 PM (#2618414)
They both suck. The difference is that Eckstein has never played 2B before. It will be fun watching him come across the bag on a DP with his momentum heading towards 3B as he tries to "wing" it to first.

The Mets are an interesting team right now. Barring any earth-shattering moves, their 2008 season may come down to how healthy Alou is and how much Delgado has lost.
   17. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: November 17, 2007 at 04:47 PM (#2618422)
The difference is that Eckstein has never played 2B before.

University of Florida. Shortstop was Mark Ellis, oddly enough.
   18. PerroX Posted: November 17, 2007 at 04:59 PM (#2618432)
Minaya needs glasses.

Or he's just playing a PR game given the Mets clubhouse shenanigans last season that probably had a little to do with last season's collapse.

Regardless, #16 is on tbe money. I doubt Eck has the arm for the pivot or the ability to switch middle infield position at this stage of his career.

We shall see.

Funny that the Mets were all talk about ARod and may end up with Eckstein instead.
   19. GregD Posted: November 17, 2007 at 05:13 PM (#2618445)
The real issue is money. I could see it if you could get him for a cheapish, short-term deal, but 4 years/$36 million? That seems insane to me.
   20. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 05:15 PM (#2618446)
Eckstein played 14 games at 2B for the Angels in 2001, and a LOT of 2B in the minors. This wouldn't be that huge a switch for him. Frankly, I think he'd be a much more credible 2B at this point than he is a SS.

But if he really wants a four-year deal? If the Mets give him that, I have to wonder. This could be one of those situations where the Mets would be happy to sign whichever of the two of them first says yes to a three-year contract.
   21. billyshears Posted: November 17, 2007 at 05:48 PM (#2618473)
Eckstein seems like fun. No way I give him anything close to a 4yr/$36 mil deal, but I could get behind the David Eckstein era. Basically, for all the positions where everybody sucks (C,2b), I don't care who the Mets get, so long as he isn't a total waste and he isn't particularly expensive.

And can the Braves just sign Tom Glavine already so we can get their first round pick?
   22. billyshears Posted: November 17, 2007 at 05:56 PM (#2618478)
From Glavine's agent:

"He's a No. 3 or 4 starter in Atlanta versus a No. 1 or 1A with the Mets, so there's a different role and different responsibility."


Did he not actually watch Glavine pitch last year? Glavine would be the fifth best starter on the Mets and looks to be the third best starter on the Braves.
   23. HowardMegdal Posted: November 17, 2007 at 05:58 PM (#2618483)
Sam, I'm tired of your plans to move every player under the sun to second base.

Look, I agree with you offensively. But do we have a sense of what Eckstein would be defensively? Not sure that we do. I'd just as soon go with Castillo- and I can't imagine wanting either on a four-year deal. I'd sooner take Lugo at his monwy. They do need someone to play 2B, however.

This raises a larger point- when all the alternatives aren't great, FA-wise, this seems like the time to be patient, and they appear to be taking the exact opposite approach. While I don't think there were good enough trading options at catcher, it will be very disappointing if they sign Castillo or Eckstein early, then Baltimore/Arizona's demands come down for Roberts/Hudson, and the Mets miss out.

That said, it still isn't clear to me why Arizona would trade Hudson.
   24. Honkie Kong Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:06 PM (#2618493)
And can the Braves just sign Tom Glavine already so we can get their first round pick?

You are guaranteed that pick. Even if negotiations are long drawn, just offer arb. Glavine is coming to ATL (grrrrrr). And as for last year, you guys remember the last 2 starts too vividly. he carried you through July/Aug and early Sept.
Just like Braves fans remember his last 2 starts in a Braves uniform vividly and with disgust.
   25. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:08 PM (#2618495)
33 years old and declining.
I may be off, but I am pretty sure that is Websters definition of a Met.
   26. HowardMegdal Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:12 PM (#2618497)
33 years old and declining.
I may be off, but I am pretty sure that is Websters definition of a Met.


Have you looked at the 2008 Yankees? You might want to revise that definition.
   27. HowardMegdal Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:14 PM (#2618498)
You are guaranteed that pick. Even if negotiations are long drawn, just offer arb. Glavine is coming to ATL (grrrrrr). And as for last year, you guys remember the last 2 starts too vividly. he carried you through July/Aug and early Sept.
Just like Braves fans remember his last 2 starts in a Braves uniform vividly and with disgust.


I'm not convinced the Mets shouldn't bring Glavine back. The point is that I think they don't have any opportunity to bring him back if Atlanta makes him an offer beyond, say, a dozen eggs.

The question then becomes, would the Mets seriously not offer arb and cost themselves a pick? Is there some gentleman's agreement that the Mets won't stand in the way of Glavine returning to their division rivals, allowing Atlanta to strengthen the rotation while not forfeiting a draft pick? I won't be happy about that at all, and it has nothing to do with Glavine's late-September starts.
   28. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:23 PM (#2618501)
I think that having Glavine in your rotation is not a bad thing.

Did he not actually watch Glavine pitch last year? Glavine would be the fifth best starter on the Mets and looks to be the third best starter on the Braves.

Is this hyperbole? Mets fans, are there actually four starters who you would comfortably predict to be better than Glavine in 2008?
   29. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:25 PM (#2618503)
Sam, I'm tired of your plans to move every player under the sun to second base.

Look, I agree with you offensively. But do we have a sense of what Eckstein would be defensively? Not sure that we do. I'd just as soon go with Castillo- and I can't imagine wanting either on a four-year deal.


Wise guy.

As I said, I don't think there's a dime's worth of difference between the two of 'em. Eckstein has plenty of minor league experience at 2B, and I think he'd be fine. His range and arm were shaky for SS, but would be more than adequate for 2B. I suspect that if the Mets prefer Eckstein (not sure they do -- this could be just covering themselves and giving leverage in Castillo negotiations; who knows?), it is because of their judgment about clubhouse or health issues. And if that's it, it's based on superior knowledge, and I don't have enough of a basis in what I DO know about the two to say they are making a mistake. Again, that's if the Mets prefer Eckstein.

Is this hyperbole? Mets fans, are there actually four starters who you would comfortably predict to be better than Glavine in 2008?

Absolutely. Pedro, Main, Perez, El Duque. They will all be better than Glavine. More reliable? No. But qualitatively better -- certainly.
   30. Amit Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:26 PM (#2618504)
I assume he's slotting Glavine behind Pedro, Maine, Perez and Duque. Only the last is questionable, with Duque probably performing better over about half the innings. So that's probably wrong, but Glavine's at best the 4th best starter on the Mets.
   31. Amit Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:27 PM (#2618506)
It's also possible that, with Glavine and LoDuca departing, the Mets think they need to maintain a critical mass of honkeys.
   32. TVerik - Dr. Velocity Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:32 PM (#2618508)
How many on that list would you call "more reliable" than Tommy, Sam? I think Maine certainly is, but I don't know that any of the others are.

Put it this way: going into 2008, I would want Glavine in my rotation on a second-tier basis, but only after Pedro and Maine.
   33. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:33 PM (#2618509)
It's also possible that, with Glavine and LoDuca departing, the Mets think they need to maintain a critical mass of honkeys.

And Eckstein is white enough to fill three rosters.
   34. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:36 PM (#2618512)
How many on that list would you call "more reliable" than Tommy, Sam? I think Maine certainly is, but I don't know that any of the others are.

Frankly, I don't care that much. Given that quality difference, I'd rather have every one of the other four than Glavine, even knowing that Glavine is very nearly certain to give you the 180-200 innings he signs on for. I am very, very confident that they are ALL better pitchers than he is, and I think the Mets need to move forward (and get younger) from 40-somethings who are only going to keep getting worse. If that means I'm rolling the dice on a rotation that might break down, so be it.
   35. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:47 PM (#2618519)
I'd definitely pass on Eckstein if he wants that kind of money. Honestly, I think Orlando Hudson is the ideal guy and someone the Mets should sign when he becomes a free agent. A stopgap like Iguchi would be nice and I don't mind a Gotay/Easley platoon. Gotay did put up a .782 OPS in over 300 PA between AAA and the big leagues, and those numbers are even more impressive against just righthanders. It's nice to have a 2b who can hit a homer or two and his defense isn't that bad. Iguchi or the platoon is fine by me. Eckstein would be a mistake with Hudson likely available next offseason.
   36. billyshears Posted: November 17, 2007 at 06:49 PM (#2618523)
It's also possible that, with Glavine and LoDuca departing, the Mets think they need to maintain a critical mass of honkeys.


David Wright needs a friend.
   37. alkeiper Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:09 PM (#2618534)
Sam, I'm tired of your plans to move every player under the sun to second base.


Laugh now, but just try hitting a ground ball past those guys.
   38. PreservedFish Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:12 PM (#2618538)
Wright's first best friend on the team was Cliff Floyd. When he left there were articles about how much they were going to miss each other.
   39. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:15 PM (#2618539)
One great story about Floyd and Wright was when Floyd made Wright carry his bags through customs. The customs guy looks through the bag and asks Wright if the Jet and Ebony magazines in his bag are really his.
   40. Amit Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:17 PM (#2618540)
The same was true of Joe McEwing (that he was Wright's bff on the team). Welcome to the big leagues, kid.
   41. 1k5v3L Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:18 PM (#2618541)
Mets management had dinner with free agent David Eckstein in Connecticut this week.

According to the Daily News, Eckstin is seeking Julio Lugo-type money (four years, $36 million), which is pretty incredible for a guy who has missed 25 percent of the last two seasons, never posted a .370 OBP and never hit more than eight homers in a year. He also hasn't scored 100 runs or stolen 20 bases since 2002. The Mets would be better off re-signing Luis Castillo, though he's also reportedly asking for four years. Eckstein, Castillo and Tadahito Iguchi all figure to find out the market for middle infielders just isn't that strong.
Source: New York Daily News



Well, he's got a point. Lugo sucks, and he's getting $36m. Why shouldn't X get the same amount?
   42. HowardMegdal Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:19 PM (#2618543)
Laugh now, but just try hitting a ground ball past those guys.

As a lefty, I'd obviously just hit to the opposite field.

Also, Sam, we're back to agreeing on everything. I second your 2B ideas, and your Glavine ideas.


I would also be happy with a stopgap followed by Hudson after 2008, but I'm still not convinced Arizona won't just re-sign him. Can anyone make the case for why they wouldn't?
   43. HowardMegdal Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:21 PM (#2618545)
One great story about Floyd and Wright was when Floyd made Wright carry his bags through customs. The customs guy looks through the bag and asks Wright if the Jet and Ebony magazines in his bag are really his.


The same was true of Joe McEwing (that he was Wright's bff on the team). Welcome to the big leagues, kid.


Hard to believe Joe McEwing reads Ebony and Jet.
   44. 1k5v3L Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:29 PM (#2618552)
I would also be happy with a stopgap followed by Hudson after 2008, but I'm still not convinced Arizona won't just re-sign him. Can anyone make the case for why they wouldn't?


1. Hudson really wants to play closer to him home, which means somewhere on the East Coast, and has said he doesn't see himself signing a long term deal with AZ (unless the team overpays him). He has resisted AZ's attempts to sign him to an extension, both last offseason and this offseason, and has basically made it clear he wants to become a free agent, arguably to sign with an East coast team.

2. Hudson has hinted he'd want something along the lines of what Renteria/Lugo got from BOS, which is about 10m/year for 4 years at least. That's way too much money for the Dbacks to spend. There have been no indications that Hudson would give the Dbacks any sort of a discount either, so the Dbacks are just going to keep him through 08, collect 2 draft picks, and move on with either Callaspo or Bonifacio, who should both be ready to duke it out for the 2b job in 2009.

3. Hudson is a 2Bman on the wrong side of 30, as he will turn 31 during the 2008-2009 offseason. If there's one thing that Thomas Hobbes has taught us, it's that the collapse of 2b men in their thirties is "nasty, brutish, and short".
   45. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:29 PM (#2618554)
I would also be happy with a stopgap followed by Hudson after 2008, but I'm still not convinced Arizona won't just re-sign him. Can anyone make the case for why they wouldn't?

When a player is only a year away from free agency, they usually test the open market and the Mets are more likely to have the biggest offer for Hudson than the Diamondbacks. In addition to Hudson, Ellis is a free agent as well.

Edit: Or what Levski said.
   46. 1k5v3L Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:33 PM (#2618556)
If I were the Mets, I'd sign Ellis over Hudson any day of the week. And I love Hudson.

[EDIT] For what it's worth, Hudson has gotten a huge bump in OPS from playing half of his games at Chase. Home/road splits in OPS, last 2 years

2006: Home, .886 OPS; Away, .734 OPS; Diff = .152
2007: Home, .893 OPS; Away, .738 OPS; Diff = .155
   47. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:36 PM (#2618560)
Is Callapso really an option? I know it's not a lot of PA but a career 40 OPS+ is really, really bad and he's going to be 25 next year.

I never put too much stock into splits like those. The same thing happened with Soriano in Texas. It's just not a big enough sample.
   48. Amit Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:53 PM (#2618572)
We should just save our money and put it in the Brandon Webb Fund.
   49. 1k5v3L Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2618575)
Callaspo has had 186 at bats in the majors, split over 2 seasons. The vast majority of these at bats have come as pinch hit appearances and occasional starts; he's been in court, in jail and in aggressive therapy in between. Those 186 at bats really mean nothing.

Just for kicks, after his first 150 PAs or so (including 2006 and 2007 stats), Pedroia had an OPS of .561 in 2006 (89 AB) and OPS of .544 in April of 2007 (55 AB). And Pedroia was playing full time. As I remarked a while back, it had gotten so bad with Pedroia, kevin was interested in women.

Callaspo will be OK with enough playing time; his 2006 MLE was .280/.337/.395 when he posted .882 OPS in AAA; in 2007, he has .912 OPS over 222 AB in AAA. minorleaguesplits.com doesn't have his 2007 MLE, but I'd guess something like .282/.340/.400, which is fine for a very good defensive second baseman... and he's always been known for being very good with the glove at 2b.

FWIW, Pedroia's 2006 MLE was .273/.338/.367.
   50. 1k5v3L Posted: November 17, 2007 at 07:57 PM (#2618578)
I never put too much stock into splits like those.


I never said you had to put any stock into it, I was just commenting that he was getting a big boost from playing half of his games at Chase field. He's still a very good hitter for a 2bman.
   51. Sparkles Peterson Posted: November 17, 2007 at 08:09 PM (#2618586)
played in higher quality division in ballparks that suppress scoring to a higher degree


I don't think park factors have ever applied much to Castillo, unless there are ballparks with significant park effects for infield ground balls. I would imagine that 4 years in the AL West (Back when it was good) and 3 years in the NL Central rates out to pretty even with someone who has almost exclusively played in the NL East.

Eckstein's a useful player if the lack of range he showed last year was due to injury, and his range looked to the naked eye about the same as always early in the year before the injuries started. He's Luis Castillo with built-in appeal to the fans who like Caucasian midgets as middle infielders.
   52. PerroX Posted: November 17, 2007 at 08:21 PM (#2618597)
Wright's first best friend on the team was Cliff Floyd. When he left there were articles about how much they were going to miss each other.

Cried on each other's shoulders when Piazza left.
   53. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:00 PM (#2618631)
David Wright needs a friend.

Shyly smiles and raises hand with a "pick me" look . . . .
   54. Grumbledook Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:02 PM (#2618632)
First Torrealba, now Eckstein? It looks like Mets fans are going to relive the last two and a half years of the Steve Phillips era. While they're at it, they might as well see how much they can overpay for Carlos Silva.
   55. PerroX Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:13 PM (#2618642)
Is Wright your favorite Met, Sam, or does someone else hold first place in your affections?
   56. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:24 PM (#2618652)
Is Wright your favorite Met, Sam, or does someone else hold first place in your affections?

Current? Not even close.

Ever? This guy. Note the sponsorship. Wright still has a way to go to catch him.
   57. Boots Day Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:26 PM (#2618653)
There's a free agent second baseman who looks like he'll sign more cheaply than Eckstein, and is younger to boot. He's mediocre with the bat, yet a legitimately terrific defensive second baseman and a great baserunner (32 for 36 stealing last year).

So why aren't the Mets after Kazuo Matsui?
   58. Bob Koo Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:42 PM (#2618665)
Actually, it appears that Torrealba will not be a Met...
   59. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:50 PM (#2618673)
So why aren't the Mets after Kazuo Matsui?

1) Even last season, his best overall year in the ML, he still only posted an 87 OPS+ and was a mediocre player overall.
2) There is a risk that he simply can't cut it in NY and that risk is greater in magnitude than his upside.
3) He probably wouldn't want to come to NY anyway as he isn't well-liked by the fans.

If indeed Torrealba isn't a Met, I am happy. I think the Mets can do better. Heck, Castro might be better himself.
   60. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:51 PM (#2618674)
The Top Ten Questions That Answer Themselves

10) So how DOES Bill Clinton feel about Ken Starr?

9) How many kids born in New Orleans have been named Katrina since August 29, 2005?

8) How long before that Milli Vanilli reunion tour plays sold-out stadiums?

7) "Can we interest you in Ishtar II, Mr. Hoffman?"

6) "So when you say never, Hank, you really mean you'll never negotiate with A-Rod, right?"

5) No way Rock Hudson was really gay, was he?

4) So tell me -- why did they cast Jessica Alba as Sue Storm in the Fantastic Four movies?

3) Is George W. Bush the smartest man ever to hold the Presidency, or what???

2) Does Scott Boras concern himself with mere crass financial matters?

And the # 1 Question That Answers Itself . . . .

1) So why aren't the Mets after Kazuo Matsui?
   61. J. Cross Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:53 PM (#2618676)
Actually, it appears that Torrealba will not be a Met...

So, I take it that as payback for signing draft picks for slot money, Bud Selig called the Wilpons and told them that Torrealba's name shows up in the Mitchell report?

... or am I jumping to conclusions?
   62. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:53 PM (#2618675)
Actually, it appears that Torrealba will not be a Met...

I wonder if that means the Mets have something else about to break in the catching department? You have to think so, don't you?
   63. J. Cross Posted: November 17, 2007 at 09:54 PM (#2618679)
I'm wondering that too, Sam (post 61, aside). Did Lo Duca buckle and agree to a 1 or 2 year deal? Is there a trade?
   64. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:01 PM (#2618686)
I wonder if Omar pulled one of his take it or leave it maneuvers and then just pulled the offer when Torrealba took too long to agree.
   65. Sam M. Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:17 PM (#2618701)
I wonder if Omar pulled one of his take it or leave it maneuvers and then just pulled the offer when Torrealba took too long to agree.

Could be. Perhaps the Mets began to suspect their "agreement" was being shopped back to the Rockies or some other team, and they got mad. Whatever; I was fine with Torrealba, but I certainly don't think he was so essential or awesome that if they go in another direction I'll be disappointed.
   66. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:29 PM (#2618710)
As long as the next option is not Blow Duca, I'm fine without Yorvit.
   67. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:29 PM (#2618713)
Whatever; I was fine with Torrealba, but I certainly don't think he was so essential or awesome that if they go in another direction I'll be disappointed.

Honestly, I was less than fine with Torrealba. I'd rather they wait to see if Hernandez's price drops or take a flyer on Michael Barrett if the Padres don't offer him arbitration.
   68. Srul Itza Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:39 PM (#2618722)
I just went over to Seaver's page, and was more than a little surprised to see that his #1 Comp is --

Tom Glavine

What, do they give extra points for the same first name?
   69. Amit Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:39 PM (#2618723)
Ok, I admit it. I thought torrealba was a terrible idea and am delighted with any other possibility other than a 3-4 year deal for Lo Doucheca.
   70. billyshears Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:45 PM (#2618729)
I have no opinion on this.
   71. ECAMike Posted: November 17, 2007 at 10:57 PM (#2618741)
I'm very happy that Torrealba is off the table. That the Mets have the money and other bats and gloves to pick up the slack doesn't justify signing terrible offensive and questionable defensive players, especially this early in the offseason when more possible moves haven't been sussed out, and especially not to longterm contracts. I haven't been impressed with the rumored deals or targets so far.
   72. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2007 at 11:29 PM (#2618766)
I haven't been impressed with the rumored deals or targets so far.

I don't worry about rumored deals any longer. Omar meets and talks with everyone.
   73. Walt Davis Posted: November 18, 2007 at 12:13 AM (#2618784)
So tell me -- why did they cast Jessica Alba as Sue Storm in the Fantastic Four movies?

Actually, why have Jessica Alba if she's gonna spend all that time being invisible?

Don't even get me started on Kate Beckinsale in Underworld. Possibly the hottest thing on screen since Emma Peel ... and what, no smoldering scenes at all?
   74. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: November 18, 2007 at 12:50 AM (#2618799)
YESSSS!!!! NO TORREALBA!!!

That was close. Seriously. That guy had Schoenweis written all over him.

LoDuca on a one year deal is much better than that guy.
   75. PerroX Posted: November 18, 2007 at 12:54 AM (#2618801)
Kate Winslet.
   76. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 18, 2007 at 12:59 AM (#2618804)
I think I'd like Barrett or Kendall on a cheap deal.

Looking JR House's minor league numbers it sure looks like he can hit, how's his defense? He might be a good guy to pick up on a minor league deal.
   77. PerroX Posted: November 18, 2007 at 01:11 AM (#2618808)
I thought "Little Children" was dreadfully bad, but worth viewing again.

After editing.
   78. Srul Itza Posted: November 18, 2007 at 01:17 AM (#2618810)
I think they should bring back Lo Duca, just so all the Mets fans here can have someone on the team to give the most derogatory names to and otherwise vilify in the harshest terms.
   79. tobelerone Posted: November 18, 2007 at 01:41 AM (#2618819)
I'm a loyal Mets fan, follow the team (and the league) very closely and certainly am no big fan of LoDuca's. But can someone fill me in on just why he is so vilified around here? I know there was the fling with the girl and the horses/gambling, neither of which inspire me to pass judgment (I can empathize with the former, not so much the latter). But is this really all about what happened in LA? If so, that shouldn't matter much to Mets fans, and in my anecdotal experience it doesn't, certainly not amongst the non-sabermetric crowd. You'll find a lot of love for LoDuca around Shea.

Just askin'...
   80. PerroX Posted: November 18, 2007 at 01:48 AM (#2618822)
I'm like Richard Reid when it comes to hijacking threads.
   81. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 18, 2007 at 01:59 AM (#2618827)
I dislike Lo Duca because he's a red ass who gets more credit for a team's success than he deserves.
   82. tobelerone Posted: November 18, 2007 at 02:06 AM (#2618828)
Russlan, would you say it's more the fans or the media giving him that credit?
   83. JJ1986 Posted: November 18, 2007 at 02:31 AM (#2618836)
I hate Lo Duca because when he has a temper on the field, he's called a gamer, but if Lastings does it, it's a character flaw. I hate Lo Duca because when Lastings makes a rap album, the team decides that they need to talk to him about his off the field issues and the media harps on it for a year, but when Lo Duca cheats on his wife with a kid no one cares. And I hate Lo Duca because he had a bad year at the plate last year.
   84. Spencer Benedict Posted: November 18, 2007 at 03:49 AM (#2618869)
I went from relief over Torrealba to this. Having three infielders who can contribute offensively does not mean that you can punt on the fourth.
   85. Dr. Vaux Posted: November 18, 2007 at 04:05 AM (#2618880)
You have to go with some player that's available, though. Is a second baseman who's actually good offensively available?
   86. Banta Posted: November 18, 2007 at 05:29 AM (#2618912)
Blowduca is a son of evil. The harshest terms can't portray his villainy... it is beyond words. He must be purged, separated forcefully from the host like any other parasite. If you give him an inch, he'll take your teenage daughter to the prom. In the back of a Volkswagon, if you take my meaning.
   87. Benji Posted: November 18, 2007 at 05:34 AM (#2618914)
Sam, thank you for the eloquence on the Seaver page. He was my idol too, the first Met my Yankee fan schoolmates couldn't make fun of. The day he was traded made me anti-management forever. And hoping to someday meet Dick Young so I could slap him silly.

I wasn't thrilled with Yorvit either. I want a lefty to platoon with Castro. Schneider would be the ideal pickup.

And Eckstein? We'll all disdain him here, but guaranteed he'll be a fan favorite. The ticket buyers love those kind of guys. Gotay, backed by Easley and perhaps A. Hernandez would be my pick. Ruben was killing the ball until getting Castillo slammed him to the bench, where even his pinch hitting suffered. I hope Castillo goes away. He's always hurt, and had the opposite effect on Reyes that I think they hoped for. Would giving a MLI to Junior Spivey be totally insane?
   88. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 18, 2007 at 05:39 AM (#2618916)
Banta!

I am almost positive Minaya meeting with Eckstein is just postering by both of them. They just want to show others that they have options.
   89. Amit Posted: November 18, 2007 at 05:48 AM (#2618920)
Would giving a MLI to Junior Spivey be totally insane?


No.

Same question of Javy Lopez.
   90. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 18, 2007 at 06:12 AM (#2618929)
You have to go with some player that's available, though. Is a second baseman who's actually good offensively available?

How many second basemen on earth would you say are "actually good offensively"? Ten? You can't have everything.

If you don't like Castillo, there's Tadahito Iguchi, he can at least slug over .400.
   91. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: November 18, 2007 at 06:26 AM (#2618933)
How many second basemen on earth would you say are "actually good offensively"? Ten? You can't have everything.

Hey Mets, we'll trade you Pedroia for that David Wright guy. Then you can sign A-Rod! Oh, that's off the table? Damn.
   92. I can't believe we're playing Francoeur(KevinHess) Posted: November 18, 2007 at 11:13 AM (#2618961)
Walt-
You should have watched Underworld II. Or whatever it was called. The sequel.
   93. The District Attorney Posted: November 18, 2007 at 10:38 PM (#2619309)
I don't want to go with a Gotay/Easley platoon, mostly because I suspect they are going to need Easley for other things more often than that and I'm pretty skeptical that Gotay's 2007 was a big-time fluke.
Just to quibble with this, I don't think your first point is anything to worry about. Simply put, Easley is either a platoon player vs. lefties, or a 25th man utility guy. Either way, you can pretty much get a player like that whenever you want. No team is going to suffer from an inability to acquire a Damion Easley if they need one. But I understand your general point, that you just don't think Gotay/Easley is good enough; I disagree, but I certainly see where you'd get that from.

Another objection I don't get is that Eckstein will be inadequate defensively at 2B. He is a decent SS whose major defensive weakness is a weak throwing arm. He has extensive experience playing 2B. How is this a problem?

However, if one's objection to Eckstein is that you'd rather go with Gotay/Easley, then I agree... and if one's objection is that one doesn't want to give Eckstein Julio Lugo money, then yes, that's a total non-starter.

If Orlando Hudson is available, then the Mets IMO need to get right on that. Otherwise, if Eckstein wants Lugo money and Castillo also wants big bucks, then either pick up Iguchi, or commit to Gotay/Easley. C'mon, Omar... you like to solve problems quickly ;-)
   94. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 18, 2007 at 10:59 PM (#2619327)
Iguchi is looking for a three year deal right now and I can't blame him if Castillo and Eckstein are both looking for four years. This is going to take a little while as the Mets are likely going to have to wait until these guys come to their senses or some other team gives them what they want.
   95. Lassus Posted: November 18, 2007 at 11:21 PM (#2619343)
I think I'd like Barrett or Kendall on a cheap deal.


I love this. All subsequent arguments from this witness will be disregarded on the grounds of this suggestion.

UNDERWORLD was awful, truly truly awful. And I've watched the damn thing about 10 times. Kate Beckinsale's in every shot, and I always leave the film thinking "There really wasn't enough Kat Beckinsale". She looks UNBELIEVABLE. Jaw-droppingly so.

And, some idiot decided to make the third one without her in it. That's not going to turn out well.
   96. The District Attorney Posted: November 18, 2007 at 11:33 PM (#2619355)
Lassus, maybe we should discuss the catching situation in the Torrealba thread, but I don't have a huge problem with Kendall at this point.
   97. Amit Posted: November 18, 2007 at 11:36 PM (#2619358)
Mike Piazza, anyone?
   98. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: November 19, 2007 at 12:02 AM (#2619371)
This guy. Note the sponsorship.

When the Maddux sponsorship expires in March, I have half a mind to use it to mock your outrageous claim.
   99. PerroX Posted: November 19, 2007 at 12:03 AM (#2619375)
Hot actresses (and actors) can make you watch a bad movie. Repeatedly.

I think Hollywood's figured this one out.
   100. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 19, 2007 at 12:14 AM (#2619383)
Lassus, maybe we should discuss the catching situation in the Torrealba thread, but I don't have a huge problem with Kendall at this point.

I don't really know how anyone can say that. The NL went 52/57 against him in stolen base attempts in the 52 games he played with the Cubs.
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