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Sunday, December 18, 2005

NY Post (via Boston Herald): Nomar is a Dodger

SS to 1B?  Hey, it worked for Ernie Banks…

Last night, the former Red Sox shortstop agreed in principle to a one-year deal with the Dodgers worth $6 million in base salary. The 32-year-old will play first base.

According to a plate-appearance incentive, Garciaparra could earn more than $8 million next year. He made $8.25 million last year for the Cubs when he played in only 62 games due to a severe left-groin injury. According to sources, agent Arn Tellem in formed the Yankees, Astros and Indians last night that Garciaparra wasn’t going to be joining them.

NTNgod Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:38 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Spahn Insane Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:48 AM (#1782677)
Whither Choi?
   2. Urban Faber Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:51 AM (#1782679)
Not only is Nomar going to take Choi's position, he'll probably take his uniform number too.
   3. DCW3 Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:51 AM (#1782680)
I'm willing to bet that Choi, whereever he ends up, has a better 2006 OPS+ than Nomar.
Any takers? Hell, Choi's probably a decent bet to play more games too.
   4. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:53 AM (#1782681)
So if Izturis comes back healthy and Nomar is still hanging around, there's nowhere to put Kent now (I highly doubt he's moving back to 3B). I guess that'd make Izturis trade bait if the Dodgers are in the fortunate position to have Lil Cesar, Nomar, Furcal, and Kent all healthy.
   5. NTNgod Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:53 AM (#1782682)
I can hear the Red Sox rumors starting already... Wells for Choi, etc...
   6. DCW3 Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:56 AM (#1782684)
So if Izturis comes back healthy and Nomar is still hanging around, there's nowhere to put Kent now (I highly doubt he's moving back to 3B).

Don't forget, they've got Mueller at 3rd now.
   7. AADeuce Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:57 AM (#1782688)
Not to mention Billy Mueller is around as well
   8. Raskolnikov Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:00 AM (#1782691)
The Red Sox should be on the phones right now trying to get Izturis and Choi on the cheap.
   9. Internet Commenter Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:03 AM (#1782694)
Shawn Green will be back in L.A. by May.
   10. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:03 AM (#1782695)
Okay, I got it.

Choi to Boston
Clement to the Mets
Benson to the Dodgers.
   11. Internet Commenter Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:04 AM (#1782696)
How many games do Drew and Nomar play together?

I'll go with 35.
   12. DCW3 Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:08 AM (#1782698)
How many games do Drew and Nomar play together?

Two: Scrabble and Monopoly. But never Operation. It makes them both uncomfortable for some reason.
   13. NTNgod Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:12 AM (#1782703)
Two: Scrabble and Monopoly.

Ixnay on the Scrabble - it's a Milton Bradley product.
Not welcome in the Dodger clubhouse.
   14. Internet Commenter Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:40 AM (#1782739)
This discussion has been sidetracked. Sidetracked!
   15. akrasian Posted: December 18, 2005 at 08:53 AM (#1782791)
Choi to Boston
Clement to the Mets
Benson to the Dodgers.


I suspect that the Dodgers would prefer Clement. After all, he's played for the Red Sox. (not to mention, he's the better pitcher).

Although I'm not pleased with Choi being bumped out, if McCourt didn't mind taking on Clement's salary, then I'd be cool with the moves.

But if the Dodgers go cheap on pitching, because they wanted Nomar rather than a Choi/Saenz platoon, I'll be annoyed.
   16. . . . . . . Posted: December 18, 2005 at 09:46 AM (#1782802)
The Yankees could use a 1B/DH too...Pavano for Choi?
   17. Raskolnikov Posted: December 18, 2005 at 10:01 AM (#1782807)
I don't see how this is a good career move for Nomar. Even if everything works out well, he shows that he's an above-average hitting, inexperienced 1B. How much would that be worth in the market next year anyway?
   18. ColonelTom Posted: December 18, 2005 at 02:46 PM (#1782865)
Izturis and Choi to the Red Sox for Matt Clement? It'd make a lot of sense for both teams.
   19. J. Cross Posted: December 18, 2005 at 03:12 PM (#1782892)
Okay, I got it.

Choi to Boston
Clement to the Mets
Benson to the Dodgers.


I like it from the Mets point of view. I think we'd pay the extra $1.5M a year for the upgrade. But, couldn't the Dodgers get a better contract for Choi? Do the Red Sox have a place to play him? I was imagining that Marte, Lowell and Youkilis gives them three guys for two positions although one of them is a big injury risk and another might not be considered ready so maybe they would have a little use for Choi.

I think Boston needs to kick in $2M to the Dodgers to make that 3-way happen.
   20. Darren Posted: December 18, 2005 at 03:40 PM (#1782906)
For Boston to be interested in another 1B, I think they'd have to move one of their extra 3B. It sounds to me like the current plan is Lowell at 3B, Youks at 1B, and Marte at AAA. I think Choi would be a very nice addition, though, and I hope the Red Sox are able to deal Lowell to open up the spot for him.
   21. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 18, 2005 at 03:52 PM (#1782917)
SS to 1B? Hey, it worked for Ernie Banks…

But did it work for the Cubs?
   22. JPWF13 Posted: December 18, 2005 at 04:02 PM (#1782926)
But did it work for the Cubs?

Not really- he was a below average injury prone 1B much of the time (reflected upon to the point of sheer meanness by Leo Duropcher in his autobiography...)
   23. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 18, 2005 at 04:10 PM (#1782939)
Not really- he was a below average injury prone 1B much of the time (reflected upon to the point of sheer meanness by Leo Duropcher in his autobiography...)

Exactly, JPWF13. In his best years at first, he was merely mediocre.
   24. BDC Posted: December 18, 2005 at 04:24 PM (#1782953)
I don't see how this is a good career move for Nomar

Sure, but it's the move to Southern California that he's evidently wanted to make for years.
   25. 1k5v3L Posted: December 18, 2005 at 04:31 PM (#1782962)
robert, shawn green can only be traded to sdp, ana, and sfg. he can block a trade to lad; he didn't part on friendly terms with the mccourts.

Choi to Boston
Clement to the Mets
Benson to the Dodgers.


of course, the mets fanboy in question will accuse me of stealing his identity so i could post a ridiculous trade offer on a hijacked thread.

I like it from the Mets point of view.

well, no sh!t, einstein.
   26. covelli chris p Posted: December 18, 2005 at 04:37 PM (#1782965)
is nomar rated higher than mueller wrt draft pick compensation? that would suck.
   27. 1k5v3L Posted: December 18, 2005 at 04:46 PM (#1782972)
rosenthal looks at nomar's one way ticket to the blues...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5175756
   28. Margo Adams FC Posted: December 18, 2005 at 04:59 PM (#1782987)
Does anyone know whether Hee Sop Choi likes to wear bunny slippers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Byung-Hyun_Kim.jpg
   29. Big Ed Posted: December 18, 2005 at 05:02 PM (#1782990)
I don't see how this is a good career move for Nomar

Yes, but they bought a house in Manhattan Beach CA last year, which is a really nice place to be. A block from the beach. The school system has the highest reputation.

In fact at one point, the guy who sold them their house was in the market to buy ours -- so we were linked for a brief time.

It's too bad that Nomar and Arn Tellem didn't take into account that the place where one lives, and relationships, trade off against money, a couple of years ago in Boston.
   30. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: December 18, 2005 at 05:23 PM (#1783020)
Mark Shapiro knows when to make the moves ans when not to push.
   31. GregD Posted: December 18, 2005 at 05:51 PM (#1783057)
Manhattan Beach wouldn't be my choice of where I'd like to live, but I can't fault a guy for using his wife's happiness (and his own) as a criteria. I highly doubt, though, that the Garciaparras are sending their kids to public schools.
   32. 1k5v3L Posted: December 18, 2005 at 05:55 PM (#1783062)
they have kids?
   33. sunnyday2 Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:05 PM (#1783082)
Gosh, think about the fact that once upon a time this woulda been news!

NOMAR! DODGAS!

Now: nomar, dodgas.
   34. sunnyday2 Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:06 PM (#1783084)
My wife doesn't understand pig Latin either.

>Ixnay on the Scrabble

I think that's ixnay on the abble-scray, no?
   35. Raskolnikov Posted: December 18, 2005 at 06:31 PM (#1783114)
It's too bad that Nomar and Arn Tellem didn't take into account that the place where one lives, and relationships, trade off against money, a couple of years ago in Boston.


Ahh, one of life's continual debates. Of course, Nomar and his wife are free to choose how to live. But when you have a chance to write yourself into the baseball history books, I think that sacrifices have to be made sometimes. 5 years ago, we were talking about Nomar is a sure fire HOFer, possibly one of the greats of all time. Now he's looking for a nice place for his family to settle down and willing to become a replaceable MLBer to do so? Nomar is going to make a great retrospective for Brittain or Treder over at the Hardball Times in a couple of decades.
   36. Randomly Fluctuating Defensive Metric Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:13 PM (#1783160)
Man, if Hee Seop actually ever had a decent year, clear the decks. You guys would be working on his Hall of Fame plaque.

Meanwhile, I was dead wrong about Nomar. I really thought he would come to New York. Oh, well.
   37. OlePerfesser Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:15 PM (#1783164)
Well, this means Izturis is out of Colletti's plans, so that's good news for the offense. I hope he's not headed to the Red Sox. If Choi's non-tendered, though...

I also hope Nomar's healthy all year. He sure deserves it.

So is Damon Colletti's next buy? That'd make an interesting lineup.
   38. Toolsy McClutch Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:54 PM (#1783210)
I would suspect that CI has <0 value. Ah, the days JP was being hung for giving up on him.
   39. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: December 18, 2005 at 07:57 PM (#1783217)
Is there any kind of second year option on this deal?

I really don't know a lot about Choi, but from what I've read here at various times, I think some team should cement him in their starting lineup and see what he can do with 500+ PA's in a season.
   40. akrasian Posted: December 18, 2005 at 08:06 PM (#1783242)
I would suspect that CI has <0 value.

I doubt that. If he shows that he's healthy, he's a recent gold glove shortstop who hit well for a shortstop before getting injured last year, and hit at a similar level all of the year before, is young and still inexpensive. I'm sure that there are a number of GMs who would want him - again, if he shows that he's healthy.

It's pretty likely that some contender in July will need a middle infielder, and would want a slick fielder.

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