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Sunday, May 03, 2020

Oakland Athletics history: The forgotten greatness of Miguel Tejada

During the first decade of the century, Tejada was one of the best players in the game, let alone at short. He produced a .297/.347/.481 batting line, hitting 365 doubles and 251 homers. His 1860 hits were the third most of the decade, trailing only Jeter and Ichiro Suzuki, while his home run total led all MLB shortstops. One of the game’s Iron Men, Tejada did not miss a game in over seven years, led the league with 150 RBI in 2004, and twice led the league in doubles.

That production certainly led to a great deal of recognition at the time. Tejada was a six time All Star and won the game’s MVP award in 2005. He was the AL MVP in 2002, and won two Silver Slugger awards.

Dennis Eclairskey, closer Posted: May 03, 2020 at 03:21 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: baltimore orioles, miguel tejada, oakland a's, steroids

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   1. Itchy Row Posted: May 04, 2020 at 10:58 AM (#5947327)
The headline on the front page cuts off after "Oakland Athletics history: The forgotten greatness of Miguel..." and at first I wondered what connection Miguel Cabrera had to A's history. Then I thought "greatness" was too strong for Miguel Dilone. So Tejada is pretty forgotten.
   2. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 04, 2020 at 11:10 AM (#5947335)
Here's something surprising - Miguel Tejada made 6 All-Star teams and only 1 was with the A's. I didn't realize his stats with the O's were BETTER than when he was with the A's. It was just on a team that attracted little attention.
   3. Dennis Eclairskey, closer Posted: May 04, 2020 at 12:03 PM (#5947373)
I feel the PED stuff erased Tejeda's accomplishments more so than it even tarnished his reputation. I'm an A's fan & I was looking at Barry Zito's 2002 CY year the other day & realized I literally forgot Tejeda won the MVP that year.

Tejeda did put up some good years in Baltimore but the team was mired in a streak of losing seasons & became an afterthought. Tejeda's 150 RBI 2004 for the O's stands out, as does his impressive doubles totals. Tejeda led in GDP five out of six years between 2004-09 but was playing 162 games almost every year.

I remember back when Tejeda was first with the O's, a guy maybe 20 walks into the store I was working at, proudly wearing his O's cap & I said, "Oh, did you hear the news Tejeda got injured & he's probably out for the season?" Poor guy was turning pale before I told him I was kidding :-0
   4. baudib Posted: May 04, 2020 at 12:24 PM (#5947394)
It's hilarious that Tejada is treated with barely disguised contempt in "Moneyball" and he was the MVP that year.
   5. Traderdave Posted: May 04, 2020 at 01:02 PM (#5947436)
Not forgotten by A's fans at all. Miggy jerseys are a common sight in these parts and he remains very much loved by fans.
   6. Jack Sommers Posted: May 04, 2020 at 02:14 PM (#5947472)
Very few better offensive shortstops since integration. Min 40% of games at SS to get Banks and A Rod in there

Rk              Player  oWAR  dWAR WAR/pos WAA/pos OPS+  OPS    PA From   To   Age    G    R    H  2B  3B  HR  RBI   BB   SO HBP GDP  SB  CS   BA  OBP  SLG           Pos
1       Alex Rodriguez 115.3  10.4   117.5    75.8  140 .930 12207 1994 2016 18
-40 2784 2021 3115 548  31 696 2086 1338 2287 176 261 329  76 .295 .380 .550        65D/H3
2          Derek Jeter  96.3  
-9.4    71.3    29.9  115 .817 12602 1995 2014 21-40 2747 1923 3465 544  66 260 1311 1082 1840 170 287 358  97 .310 .377 .440         *6/DH
3          Robin Yount  83.1   6.8    77.3    37.4  115 .772 12249 1974 1993 18
-37 2856 1632 3142 583 126 251 1406  966 1350  48 217 271 105 .285 .342 .430      *68D/7H3
4       Cal Ripken Jr
.  78.1  35.7    95.9    53.5  112 .788 12883 1981 2001 20-40 3001 1647 3184 603  44 431 1695 1129 1305  66 350  36  39 .276 .340 .447        *65/DH
5         Barry Larkin  68.3  14.4    70.5    42.5  116 .815  9057 1986 2004 22
-40 2180 1329 2340 441  76 198  960  939  817  55 178 379  77 .295 .371 .444        *6H/4D
6        Alan Trammell  63.1  22.7    70.7    40.4  110 .767  9376 1977 1996 19
-38 2293 1231 2365 412  55 185 1003  850  874  37 156 236 109 .285 .352 .415     *6/HD5478
7          Ernie Banks  62.4   5.1    67.8    28.8  122 .830 10395 1953 1971 22
-40 2528 1305 2583 407  90 512 1636  763 1236  70 229  50  53 .274 .330 .500        36/H57
8        Miguel Tejada  51.9   6.7    47.1    15.9  108 .791  9205 1997 2013 23
-39 2171 1230 2407 468  23 307 1302  553 1079 122 277  85  38 .285 .336 .456      *65/4HD3
9          Jim Fregosi  50.2   7.9    48.7    24.5  113 .736  7403 1961 1978 19
-36 1902  844 1726 264  78 151  706  715 1097  32 125  76  40 .265 .338 .398     *635H/D74
10      Hanley Ramirez  49.7  
-8.9    37.9    15.7  124 .847  7127 2005 2019 21-35 1668 1049 1834 375  32 271  917  660 1234  71 137 281  93 .289 .360 .486      *6D3/57H
11         Ozzie Smith  48.8  44.2    76.9    42.1   87 .666 10778 1978 1996 23
-41 2573 1257 2460 402  69  28  793 1072  589  33 167 580 148 .262 .337 .328          *6/H
12     Bert Campaneris  47.6  21.1    53.1    21.4   89 .653  9625 1964 1983 22
-41 2328 1181 2249 313  86  79  646  618 1142  64 106 649 199 .259 .311 .342 *6/H574D83921
13       Pee Wee Reese  45.7  16.8    51.6    25.3  100 .760  7135 1947 1958 28
-39 1627 1038 1651 259  56 111  698  928  666  21 151 182  63 .273 .371 .390         *65/H
14          Jose Reyes  45.1   1.4    37.2    13.1  103 .761  8240 2003 2018 20
-35 1877 1180 2138 387 131 145  719  589  914  11  82 517 127 .283 .334 .427     *65/4H781
15       Jimmy Rollins  43.7  15.9    47.6    18.0   95 .743 10240 2000 2016 21
-37 2275 1421 2455 511 115 231  936  813 1264  38 136 470 105 .264 .324 .418        *6/HD4
16   Nomar Garciaparra  43.0   6.5    44.3    24.3  124 .882  6116 1996 2009 22
-35 1434  927 1747 370  52 229  936  403  554  59 129  95  31 .313 .361 .521      *63/5HD4
17      Tony Fernandez  42.3  14.9    45.3    17.2  101 .746  8793 1983 2001 21
-39 2158 1057 2276 414  92  94  844  690  784  64 161 246 138 .288 .347 .399       *654H/D
18       Luis Aparicio  42.2  31.8    55.9    20.5   82 .653 11230 1956 1973 22
-39 2599 1335 2677 394  92  83  791  736  742  27 184 506 136 .262 .311 .343          *6/H
19             Al Dark  42.2  12.2    43.8    14.5   98 .744  7820 1948 1960 26
-38 1813 1064 2086 355  72 126  756  430  531  54 134  59  37 .289 .333 .411    *65/H74391
20       Michael Young  40.2 
-10.5    24.7    -4.6  104 .787  8612 2000 2013 23-36 1970 1137 2375 441  60 185 1030  575 1235  22 236  90  30 .300 .346 .441       654D3/H
21         Maury Wills  38.5  12.2    39.8    10.7   88 .661  8306 1959 1972 26
-39 1942 1067 2134 177  71  20  458  552  684  16  92 586 208 .281 .330 .331        *65/H4
22            Jay Bell  38.3   9.2    37.2    11.3  101 .759  8525 1986 2003 20
-37 2063 1123 1963 394  67 195  860  853 1443  57 165  91  60 .265 .343 .416      *64/H53D
23    Asdrubal Cabrera  36.2   0.5    29.0     5.8  106 .756  6836 2007 2019 21
-33 1660  829 1646 371  25 180  796  534 1210  65 163  90  32 .268 .331 .425      *645/HD3
24        Harvey Kuenn  35.5  
-8.3    26.0     1.3  108 .765  7617 1952 1966 21-35 1833  950 2092 356  56  87  671  594  404  15 143  68  56 .303 .357 .408      6798H5/3
25      Edgar Renteria  35.2   8.9    32.4     4.7   94 .741  9066 1996 2011 19
-34 2152 1200 2327 436  29 140  923  718 1182  31 241 294 108 .286 .343 .398       *6/H4D3
26     Troy Tulowitzki  34.2  17.1    44.5    27.6  118 .856  5415 2006 2019 21
-34 1291  762 1391 264  24 225  780  511  900  47 146  57  32 .290 .361 .495         *6/HD
27      Jhonny Peralta  33.5   5.9    30.4     4.9  102 .752  7319 2003 2017 21
-35 1798  841 1761 376  24 202  873  606 1450  38 200  17  27 .267 .329 .423      *65/HD37
28     Dave Concepcion  33.1  21.4    40.1     8.3   88 .679  9641 1970 1988 22
-40 2488  993 2326 389  48 101  950  736 1186  21 266 321 109 .267 .322 .357     *6H45/381
29        Omar Vizquel  32.9  29.5    45.6     5.3   82 .688 12013 1989 2012 22
-45 2968 1445 2877 456  77  80  951 1028 1087  49 207 404 167 .272 .336 .352    *65H/4D379
30       Rafael Furcal  32.8  15.0    39.5    18.6   96 .748  7237 2000 2014 22
-36 1614 1063 1817 311  69 113  587  643  910  22  84 314  94 .281 .346 .402         *6/H4
31     Rico Petrocelli  32.7  14.4    39.1    17.5  108 .752  6171 1963 1976 20
-33 1553  653 1352 237  22 210  773  661  926  26 127  10  22 .251 .332 .420       65/HD43
32          Dick Groat  32.4  17.3    36.9     6.3   89 .696  8179 1952 1967 21
-36 1929  829 2138 352  67  39  707  490  512  31 220  14  27 .286 .330 .366       *6/H534
33      Carlos Guillen  31.4   0.8    27.7     9.0  111 .798  5277 1998 2011 22
-35 1305  733 1331 266  51 124  660  510  804  22 119  74  47 .285 .355 .443     *65/4D37H
34         Denis Menke  30.1   4.0    28.1     6.9  103 .713  5936 1962 1974 21
-33 1598  605 1270 225  40 101  606  698  853  46  99  34  54 .250 .343 .370     *6543/H79
35        Elvis Andrus  29.8  10.7    30.9     7.3   87 .704  6968 2009 2019 20
-30 1623  882 1723 298  48  73  629  508  947  44 156 302 104 .275 .331 .373         *6/DH
36         Roy Smalley  29.4   4.8    27.9     6.6  103 .740  6595 1975 1987 22
-34 1653  745 1454 244  25 163  694  771  908  14 121  27  34 .257 .345 .395      *6D5H/43
37        Johnny Logan  28.7  14.0    33.1    10.8   94 .708  5893 1951 1963 25
-37 1503  651 1407 216  41  93  547  451  472  43 125  19  13 .268 .330 .378         *6/H5
38       Yunel Escobar  28.0   5.5    26.7     7.1  101 .736  5957 2007 2017 24
-34 1434  689 1501 258  12  90  519  509  686  55 198  34  32 .282 .350 .386      *65/H4D7
39     Xander Bogaerts  27.7  
-0.9    21.5     8.3  112 .801  3930 2013 2019 20-26  914  542 1022 228  14 107  503  321  715  31  84  53  14 .288 .350 .451        *6/5HD
40        Jeff Blauser  27.7   0.2    20.9     4.8  102 .760  5271 1987 1999 21
-33 1407  691 1187 217  33 122  513  569  937  91  77  65  41 .262 .354 .406     *6H45/87D
41         Eddie Joost  26.6   5.5    26.0    13.8  113 .794  4348 1947 1955 31
-39  972  644  863 146  19 121  452  785  564  24  45  33  31 .248 .389 .404        *6/H45
42        Chris Speier  26.0  17.7    30.6     4.0   88 .676  8155 1971 1989 21
-39 2260  770 1759 302  50 112  720  847  988  35 183  42  54 .246 .327 .349       *65H4/3
43       Jose Valentin  25.7  13.6    31.6    10.4   96 .769  6317 1992 2007 22
-37 1678  872 1348 302  41 249  816  630 1294  29  66 136  56 .243 .321 .448   *654H/78D93
44       John Valentin  25.1  12.1    32.5    17.4  109 .814  4511 1992 2002 25
-35 1105  614 1093 281  17 124  558  463  524  53  91  47  31 .279 .360 .454      *65/4H3D
45         Solly Hemus  24.5   5.5    25.9    13.8  115 .801  3251 1949 1959 26
-36  961  459  736 137  41  51  263  456  247  62  49  21  18 .273 .390 .411         6H4/5
46         Erick Aybar  24.2   6.4    22.7     3.1   89 .685  5628 2006 2017 22
-33 1454  643 1402 256  46  58  473  285  670  52 107 155  62 .271 .313 .372    *6/H45D791
47       Marco Scutaro  23.7   4.0    22.1     3.7   95 .729  5486 2002 2014 26
-38 1391  683 1355 269  21  77  509  474  570  22 117  55  22 .277 .341 .388     645/H7D93
48        Leo Cardenas  23.7  16.4    27.2    
-0.3   88 .679  7402 1960 1975 21-36 1941  662 1725 285  49 118  689  522 1135  28 174  39  48 .257 .311 .367       *6/5HD4
49     Garry Templeton  23.5  16.7    27.9     0.8   87 .673  8208 1976 1991 20
-35 2079  893 2096 329 106  70  728  375 1092   9 167 242 129 .271 .304 .369       *6H/359
50    Francisco Lindor  22.8   8.9    27.6    17.1  119 .840  3244 2015 2019 21
-25  717  478  835 178  15 130  384  260  455  21  59  93  25 .288 .347 .493         *6/DH
51      Starlin Castro  22.7   1.1    17.2    
-2.2   98 .733  6170 2010 2019 20-29 1470  664 1617 296  39 133  636  309 1033  38 171  89  51 .280 .319 .414       *64/5HD
52         Dickie Thon  22.6   8.5    23.9     7.7   95 .691  4871 1979 1993 21
-35 1387  496 1176 193  42  71  435  348  658   9  77 167  63 .264 .317 .374      *6H/45D3
53       Vern Stephens  22.5   8.1    26.3    13.8  113 .815  4299 1947 1955 26
-34 1026  594 1074 176  25 153  729  445  386   4 117  17  13 .281 .355 .460         *65/H
54        Bill Russell  22.3  19.4    31.3     5.2   83 .648  8021 1969 1986 20
-37 2181  796 1926 293  57  46  627  483  667  36 174 167  69 .263 .310 .338     *69H/8745
55      David Eckstein  22.2   4.7    20.9     2.6   87 .701  5705 2001 2010 26
-35 1311  701 1414 232  20  35  392  376  418 143  88 123  45 .280 .345 .355        *64/HD
56        Phil Rizzuto  22.2  14.8    29.5    14.7   93 .709  5038 1947 1956 29
-38 1258  680 1152 178  45  29  411  546  283  36  71  99  40 .269 .357 .352         *6/H4
57          Jed Lowrie  22.1  
-0.9    17.0     1.5  105 .748  4500 2008 2019 24-35 1118  521 1043 259  17 104  509  439  748  22  81   7   3 .261 .335 .413       645/HD3
58      Scott Fletcher  22.1  18.2    32.0    12.4   85 .674  5976 1981 1995 22
-36 1612  688 1376 243  38  34  510  514  541  57 109  99  58 .262 .332 .342      *64/5HD3
59       Freddie Patek  22.0  13.6    24.1     2.5   79 .633  6247 1968 1981 23
-36 1650  736 1340 216  55  41  490  523  787  31  92 385 131 .242 .309 .324     *6/H4597D
60     Orlando Cabrera  21.5  10.3    21.3    
-5.3   84 .707  8255 1997 2011 22-36 1985  985 2055 459  32 123  854  514  745  32 188 216  57 .272 .317 .390       *64/HD5
61         Ian Desmond  20.9  
-1.5    15.5    -3.3   95 .742  5944 2009 2019 23-33 1478  724 1432 277  37 181  711  387 1402  43 132 181  56 .263 .315 .427   *6837/H4D91
62      Shawon Dunston  20.7  
-1.8    11.5    -8.7   89 .712  6276 1985 2002 22-39 1814  736 1597 292  62 150  668  203 1000  41  98 212  82 .269 .296 .416   *6H7/8943D5
63        Mike Bordick  20.4  16.6    26.8     4.3   83 .685  6484 1990 2003 24
-37 1720  676 1500 257  30  91  626  500  800  63 145  96  58 .260 .323 .362       *64/5HD
64       Granny Hamner  20.2   8.8    19.8    
-3.5   85 .691  6161 1947 1962 20-35 1494  702 1502 269  62 104  697  347  419   6 171  35  19 .263 .305 .386       *64/H51
65         Jean Segura  20.1   5.8    20.4     6.5   97 .733  4440 2012 2019 22
-29 1045  563 1181 191  40  76  376  214  596  46  93 181  60 .286 .326 .406         *64/H
66      Alexei Ramirez  20.0   9.3    21.4     2.1   89 .700  5505 2008 2016 26
-34 1371  601 1387 249  17 115  590  263  650  30 139 143  63 .270 .307 .392    *64/H8D915 


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   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 04, 2020 at 02:24 PM (#5947475)
maybe 20 walks


Glancing through this, I thought this was a description of a Tejada season.
   8. Sweatpants Posted: May 04, 2020 at 02:47 PM (#5947486)
The PED stuff didn't help, but I don't think that's the only reason that Tejada is underrated or somewhat forgotten.

His MVP award was very much a storyline one. In fact I think there was quite a bit of outrage that year over Alex Rodriguez not winning it, because nobody in the world thought that Tejada was the better of the two shortstops. Rodriguez's 2003 win for an inferior season felt like a make-up vote.

He wasn't a superstar, and he didn't stand out in terms of talent on those A's teams. In terms of fame, I'd rate Giambi, Zito, and Hudson ahead of him, although Tejada was ahead of Mulder and Chavez.

As mentioned before, he doesn't fit in with the OBP theme of the Moneyball A's.

Some of the major memories of him aren't all that positive. In addition to PEDs, you've got his albatross contract with the Cooper-era Astros and his falsified age.
   9. eric Posted: May 04, 2020 at 03:18 PM (#5947501)
He does seem very much forgotten, especially given how big of a name he was in his prime. It's definitely largely due to PEDs, but he seems to occupy that middle zone of not being good enough that his use generated OUTRAGE, and not being bad enough to be a punchline.
   10. PreservedFish Posted: May 04, 2020 at 03:24 PM (#5947503)
I wouldn't have guessed that Tejada had a 791 OPS, and Michael Young a 787, or, for that matter, that Cal Ripken had a 788.
   11. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 04, 2020 at 03:59 PM (#5947525)
I don't think Tejada's relative anonymity has much to do with PEDs. I think it has to do with the fact that you had this triumivrate of young AL shortstops that were all big stars by 1997, and Tejada didn't emerge as a star until 2000. It wasn't even that he was younger than those guys; he's older than Jeter or A-Rod.

Until Nomar faded, Tejada was considered the fourth-best shortstop in the league. He wasn't even Duke Snider; he was Richie Ashburn.
   12. asinwreck Posted: May 04, 2020 at 04:01 PM (#5947526)
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 04, 2020 at 04:04 PM (#5947528)
"You, all right?! I learned it by watching you!"
   14. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 04, 2020 at 04:23 PM (#5947544)
I don't think Tejada's relative anonymity has much to do with PEDs. I think it has to do with the fact that you had this triumivrate of young AL shortstops that were all big stars by 1997, and Tejada didn't emerge as a star until 2000. I

In that case he also had bad luck that A-Rod or Nomar didn't get flagged as The Steroid Guy before he did. That could have freed up some space in the Shortstop Pantheon.
   15. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 04, 2020 at 04:29 PM (#5947548)
I don't think Tejada's relative anonymity has much to do with PEDs. I think it has to do with the fact that you had this triumivrate of young AL shortstops that were all big stars by 1997, and Tejada didn't emerge as a star until 2000.
And even then, he was a star in Oakland, a very different media climate than Jeter's or Nomar's, and A-Rod was on a team that was on ESPN all the time because of all the other stars on that team.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: May 04, 2020 at 05:11 PM (#5947573)
And even then, he was a star in Oakland, a very different media climate than Jeter's or Nomar's, and A-Rod was on a team that was on ESPN all the time because of all the other stars on that team.


And yet, the first to win an MVP of the bunch.

   17. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 04, 2020 at 05:21 PM (#5947577)
I feel the PED stuff erased Tejeda's accomplishments more so than it even tarnished his reputation.

He never should have given Palmeiro that tainted B12 shot.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: May 04, 2020 at 08:07 PM (#5947621)
My favorite example of why Ks matter for hitters: Tejada vs Jose Hernandez

MT 285/336/456, 108 OPS+, 47 WAR, 6 dWAR, 6% BB, 12% K, 327/522 on-contact (not incl SF)
JH 252/312/418 , 88 OPS+, 13 WAR, 8 dWAR, 8% BB, 27% K, 361/598 on-contact

Component-wise, Hernandez did everything at least a bit better than Tejada except make contact where he was massively worse. Massively worse to the tune of 20 points of OPS+ and 34 WAR (a good chunk of which is playing time but the WAA difference is still 18). Now it's unlikely that Hernandez could have cut his K-rate while maintaining that on-contact production but it's an inteesting theoretical of how far the K-rate could have dropped before he became worse than Tejada on-contact -- Hernandez had a good bit of room to work with there. (Hernandez did have the platoon advantage a bit more often which presumably inflates the on-contact difference.)

Hernandez struck out a ton from day one in the minors and he didn't show any power while doing it so he made it to the majors on his defense. It wasn't until 1995 at age 25 that he became the hitter you see there. Presumably coaches worked with him on cutting the Ks but it just didn't work.

Still, it's two solid defensive SS, neither walked much, both with good power for a SS ... one is in the HoVG, the other was a bench player, all because of the Ks (or the K-power tradeoff if you prefer) with the guy who apparently hit the ball harder being the afterthought.
   19. Rally Posted: May 05, 2020 at 09:15 AM (#5947800)
It wasn't even that he was younger than those guys; he's older than Jeter or A-Rod.


I think he was younger at one point, then got busted for fibbing and was suddenly older.
   20. DCA Posted: May 05, 2020 at 10:53 AM (#5947853)
Jose Hernandez was more than a bench player. He was a regular starter each year from age 28 to 33 (earning it with a good bench performance at age 27 and losing it with a sub-replacement performance at age 33).

And his "terrible" K rate of less than 30% of PA seems quaint and unremarkable now.
   21. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2020 at 11:25 AM (#5947862)
I think he was younger at one point, then got busted for fibbing and was suddenly older.

yep
   22. Hank Gillette Posted: May 06, 2020 at 07:55 PM (#5948513)
Alex Rodriguez WAR 117.5
Derek Jeter + Miguel Tejada WAR 118.4

ARod was a Miguel Tejada better than Jeter.

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