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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Tuesday, August 15, 2023OHTANI’S TRUE PLAYER VALUE
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Posted: August 15, 2023 at 01:08 PM | 10 comment(s)
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1. Walt Davis Posted: August 15, 2023 at 05:28 PM (#6138771)So Ohtani the hitter can get a contract that runs through (say) age 39 but Ohtani the pitcher can probably only get 8 years (through 36). But Othani the pitcher might not have declined one bit by age 36, or not by much. It works that way far more often for pitchers than hitters, Scherzer and Verlander being two obvious current examples. At age 37, Ohtani the pitcher might get 2/$80 or 3/$120 on the FA market (today's $) but Ohtani the hitter will still be under contract. OK, so only sign through age 36 but then Ohtani runs the risk that he's done as both a pitcher and a hitter when he could have had another 3/$80 left on his hitting conttract. He (or at least his agent's wishes) obviously won't forego an extra guaranteed $80 M as a hitter to get a chance at a possible extra $80 M as a pitcher but he's also not just gonna give up his chance at an extra $80 M as a pitcher.
Anyway, there seems reasonable agreement on the contract for Ohtani the hitter ... something in the Turner/Harper range which would, give or take, be about the same AAV as Yordan's FA years. There seems reasonable agreement on the pitching side too but that's because we have just the one contracts (Cole) to work with ... or Strasburg 7/$245 but nobody wants to be a buzzkill by bringing that one up. The challenge is how to put 11-year and 8-year contracts together in a way that balances the risk/benefit across team and player.
In Scenario One, the reserve price is $600M and the signed deal probably ends up closer to $700M.
In Scenario Two, we're looking at 4/$240 or 6/$350, something like that.
So we aren't necessarily done with two-way Ohtani. I think it's more likely than not that he pitches again, but probably not at a CY level. But he's been good enough than even a much lesser version could have positive value.
He signs a Judge-size contract (9-10 years at approximately $40m per) with opt-outs after years 2 and 3 so that he can negotiate a bigger contract if/when he shows that he can still pitch at a high level.
A possible, imperfect solution to both of these concerns is a player opt-out. Knowing Ohtani will not be pitching until some time in 2025, start with the hitter contract of something like 11/$330 mil. Then add the pitcher half, starting in 2025, pay him like a good but not great pitcher--Gausman/Castillo level, so about 5/$110 mil. Make it a bit longer to assume he'll still be pitching at some level after year 5 so 7/$126 mil? The contract would look like
2024 $30 mil
2025 $48 mil
2026 $48 mil
2027 $48 mil
2028 $48 mil
2029 $48 mil
2030 $48 mil
2031 $48 mil
2032 $30 mil
2033 $30 mil
2034 $30 mil
Total: 11 years, $456 mil.
Ohtani would probably be reluctant to sign, thinking he will return as an elite pitcher. That's where the opt-out comes in. Give Ohtani 2025-26 to reestablish himself as a pitcher. and let him opt out if he wants to. If he does, the team will have gotten 3 years of his hitting and 1.5 to 2 years of his pitching for $126 mil. and Ohtani can hit the market again.
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