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Thursday, June 01, 2023

OMNICHATTER for June 2023

Scoreboards for the Major Leagues and all minor leagues,
courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

Hombre Brotani Posted: June 01, 2023 at 04:07 PM | 920 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Walt Davis Posted: June 03, 2023 at 10:19 PM (#6131443)
Xander with a nosebleed.
   102. Walt Davis Posted: June 03, 2023 at 10:27 PM (#6131445)
Don't ever show this post to Rob Manfred but ... with the pitch clock ticking down, I thought about the shot clock. That got me thinking about the 3-point shot. Which got me thinking about ... the 3-strike pitch! Whaddya figure, a line 75(?) feet from home plate (or back of the mound). If the pitcher can throw a swinging or called strike from behind that line (lead foot never breaks the line), it's three strikes. But the line goes from foul line to foul line so he can throw it from a funny angle if he wants. (I'm not sure about that part -- pull hitter, pitch him from that line and even if he gets wood on it, probably foul -- but maybe we could get some eephus type pitches.)
   103. Walt Davis Posted: June 03, 2023 at 10:46 PM (#6131446)
Is that Rick Sutcliffe on the Marquee Cubs' broadcast? Please tell me this is some sort of emergency fill-in or Marquee is too cheap to fly somebody to SD and he's out there anyway?

Tauchmann could have been given two errors on that one. Back-to-back bad baseballing by the Cubs didn't cost them anything but it wasn't pretty. Padres 1-0 after 2.
   104. Brian C Posted: June 03, 2023 at 11:06 PM (#6131447)
As bad as Sutcliffe is, I would prefer him to Dontrelle Willis on the FS1 broadcast. Willis might be the worst baseball broadcaster I've ever heard.

I've found that Sutcliffe is marginally more tolerable on the Marquee broadcasts than he was on ESPN. Maybe just because he's older now and mellowed a bit, or maybe he simply doesn't feel the need to be "on" as much on a team broadcast as on the national broadcasts. Or maybe he's as bad as ever but after so many years, I've just gotten used to him. But he seems a little less over-the-top.

But just a little, he's still bad.
   105. Brian C Posted: June 03, 2023 at 11:20 PM (#6131450)
Sample exchange between Sciambi and Willis:

SCIAMBI: Yu Darvish has actually thrown 17 more pitches than Smyly has, but the Padres have attacked early in the count and have a 3-0 lead.

WILLIS: We call that being effectively wild, and I know a lot about that!

SCIAMBI: So was that something that was intentional, when you were playing?

WILLIS: Uhhhhh ... I'd like to buy a vowel.

And I mean, wtf. We all know what "effectively wild" means, and it has absolutely nothing to do with how Darvish was pitching. The only reason Willis brought it up was to remind everyone - as he does constantly - that he used to be a pitcher himself, with his usual faux-modesty.
   106. Howie Menckel Posted: June 04, 2023 at 12:34 AM (#6131452)
MLB Network guy live (don't want to incriminate the wrong, lazy announcer):

"Alex Cobb, 7 2/3 scoreless, his best start of the year !"

hmm. I preferred his 9-inning shutout a couple of weeks ago in a 2-0 final, but ymmv I guess

(103 pitches tonight)

10 minutes later, the other MLB Network host doubles down on "longest outing of the year for Alex Cobb" as the game ends.

it's as if his April 24 9-inning shutout of STL never happened.....

(he also pitched 7.3 scoreless May 11 at ARI. not like he's beating up AAA lineups when he's on)
   107. Walt Davis Posted: June 04, 2023 at 12:53 AM (#6131453)
Well, Dontrelle didn't say he'd been effective and wild in the same seasons. :-)

So it's time for the Do's (Dew's, Doo's, Du's) and Dont team (some of these are quite a stretch)

C Red Dooin, Dewey Williams
1B Lucas Duda
2B Joe Dugan
SS Mickey Dooling
3B Dewey Creacy (NeL)
LF Adam Duvall
CF Duke Snider (this seems like cheating but it's him or DeWayne Wise)
RF Dewey Evans
SP Dontrelle
RP Sean Doolittle, Mark Dewey, Dooley Womack
Mgr Leo the Lip
   108. The Duke Posted: June 04, 2023 at 09:58 AM (#6131458)
Heyward is one of those guys who should be playing for the As and wracking up playing time. He's still young and if he could figure out the hitting part he could still fashion a really nice career
   109. The Duke Posted: June 04, 2023 at 10:02 AM (#6131459)
The Cardinals have called up my 2022 "sleeper" prospect Luken Baker. I thought he'd be great last year and then fizzled out in AAA. He's white hot to start the year. He's an enormous man-child of a guy. I suspect he'll end up being a quad A guy but I still think there's a chance he could be a decent starting 1B. Note that Goldys contract runs out next year and he might be a good fit especially if the team stays below .500. No real need to have superstars on a basement dweller

What has Nolan Arenado done to warrant playing on bad teams his entire career
   110. The Duke Posted: June 04, 2023 at 10:20 AM (#6131461)
Cardinals with a silly 11:35 game today. I'd be a lot more ok with this if they were scheduled as day-night DH. That would be more fun
   111. Froot Loops Posted: June 04, 2023 at 11:29 AM (#6131468)
What has Nolan Arenado done to warrant playing on bad teams his entire career


Arenado has played in the postseason four of the past six seasons.
   112. The Duke Posted: June 04, 2023 at 12:18 PM (#6131469)
"Post - season ". His team got into the real playoffs once in 2018, the rest of the time they've lost the play in game /games.

None of those teams have been very good and had virtually no chance of progressing.

But yes, he's gotten a taste

I feel sorry for him as the Cardinals appear to need to re-tool around him again. They may very well win the division but it will be with a flawed team .

What's more worrying is that he appears to be declining
   113. The Duke Posted: June 04, 2023 at 12:35 PM (#6131471)
I'm not a fan of the multi series playoff rounds - to me, it only counts when you get to CS round. If they are going to play all these rounds they only need a 140 game season or even less
   114. JJ1986 Posted: June 04, 2023 at 12:53 PM (#6131473)
I remember Baker as the kid who won the home run derby 10 years ago.
   115. salvomania Posted: June 04, 2023 at 01:11 PM (#6131478)
Mikolas with 10 hits allowed today, was thinking how he’s getting BABIPed, but the broadcast just showed that he’s allowed six hits with EVs over 100mph.

If he had done a better job covering 1B on a two-out grounder to the right side in the first inning, this might still be a scoreless tie. But he was late covering to load the bases, and Hayes followed with a two-run single..
   116. salvomania Posted: June 04, 2023 at 01:16 PM (#6131479)
Knizner continuing to out-hit Contreras, gets the Cardinals on the board with a solo homer in the 7th.
   117. Walt Davis Posted: June 04, 2023 at 02:21 PM (#6131483)
What has Nolan Arenado done to warrant playing on bad teams his entire career

Signed contracts guaranteeing him over $300 M. (In fairness, about $60 M of that he had little choice but to sign.)
   118. Walt Davis Posted: June 04, 2023 at 02:39 PM (#6131488)
You don't see this every day. Jays-Mets. Alvarez throws down to 2nd trying to pick off Matt Chapman. One of the worst throws you'll ever see as it turns out. Chapman slides back in safely, still has time to get up and not just make it to third but score as the ball is well placed between LF and CF.
   119. mathesond Posted: June 04, 2023 at 02:43 PM (#6131489)
118 - not only that, but the pitch on the play was ball four to Varsho, who wound up on 2nd, on a walk, which I don't believe I've ever seen before.
   120. NaOH Posted: June 04, 2023 at 02:47 PM (#6131490)
Definitely a bad throw, but it was made worse by ricocheting off Chapman's foot as he dove back to the bag.
   121. Tony S Posted: June 04, 2023 at 03:43 PM (#6131492)
The Mets tie it 4-4 against Toronto on their fourth han solo of the afternoon.
   122. The Duke Posted: June 04, 2023 at 03:47 PM (#6131493)
Well my theory that the Cards would surge into the lead while the Brewers and Pirates would fall below .500 was very wrong.

The cards attempt to mimic Tampa Bay and LAD is failing badly. I never have understood what's wrong with set lineups, good pitching and great defense. Instead we have a team of DHs playing out of position, mediocre pitching and defense that can never get into a groove because they play different positions. What has gone wrong that 2B gold glover Tommy Edman is now alternating between SS, Cf, and RF.

   123. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 04, 2023 at 04:08 PM (#6131494)
Ohtani doubles in Neto to give the Angels a 2-1 lead in the 8th! Avoiding a 4-game sweep would be pretty big today.

Mike Trout does not look right.
   124. Froot Loops Posted: June 04, 2023 at 04:31 PM (#6131496)
"Post - season ". His team got into the real playoffs once in 2018, the rest of the time they've lost the play in game /games.


A big reason for that is Arenado himself has been terrible in the postseason (.152/.143/.242).
   125. Walt Davis Posted: June 04, 2023 at 04:34 PM (#6131497)
What has gone wrong that 2B gold glover Tommy Edman is now alternating between SS, Cf, and RF.

I'm not a Cards fan and even I know the answer to this is O'Neill, Carlson and Nootbar all on the IL. The options then are Burleson (pretty clearly a corner OF), Donovan (who has never set foot in CF -- literally!), Walker (still learning the position) and Oscar Mercado (getting some playing time). Any team would be scrambling with 3 OFs on the IL. All "complicated" by deJong's renaissance.
   126. The Duke Posted: June 04, 2023 at 04:43 PM (#6131498)
What is the story with Jo Adell? Aside from the strikeouts is he a good defensive player, base runner ? Does he still have any value or is he done?
   127. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 04, 2023 at 05:19 PM (#6131499)
Gallen gives up an aboslute bomb of a HR and the announcer was like, "I was hoping it was too high..."

The best part was I don't think he was aping Major League on purpose.

Man, Ozuna hit the crap out of the ball too. Ended up with a single for watching the ball. Ouch.
   128. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 04, 2023 at 05:40 PM (#6131500)
...the announcer was like, "I was hoping it was too high..."
“Who gives a sh!t? It’s gone.”
   129. Mike A Posted: June 04, 2023 at 06:46 PM (#6131503)
By far the worst thing in baseball is the 'Quikrete' patch on the Braves' uniforms.

Was so happy to watch the Braves this year after the Chip Caray exit and the new pitch clock, but they had to add that &%*#^#$ patch to taunt me.

You can't escape it. It's just there, a yellow beacon in a sea of grey, as distracting as a mosquito buzzing around your ear.
   130. Walt Davis Posted: June 04, 2023 at 07:15 PM (#6131504)
Somebody, Houtson maybe, has an "OXY" patch on their sleeve.

The current Padres batter looks like his Motorola patch is about to fall off his sleeve.

Anyway, is this international signing day? I see the Cubs found another one-L Welington (Santana this time).
   131. Mike A Posted: June 04, 2023 at 07:16 PM (#6131505)
And Eddie Rosario hits the grand slam with 2 outs in the 9th to give the Braves the 8-5 lead. I love you Quikrete.
   132. Howie Menckel Posted: June 04, 2023 at 09:05 PM (#6131513)
NYY fan calls in to WFAN today and proclaims that he wants to trade Giancarlo Stanton to the Mets for "Senga and a bullpen arm."

now, the Yankees 'pen has the lowest ERA in MLB and has cost the team only one 9th-inning lead all year, but let's run with this.

Host: "Which arm do you want?"

Caller: "Give me Robertson."

now, it's clear that on-air talent is trained not to use words like "imbecile" "moron" "jackass" and so on.

but this young fill-in host couldn't resist; she called the proposal "stupid."

it seemed to pain her to do it, but the vibe was also, "c'mon, I'm being kind on so many levels."

agreed.
   133. Addie Joss Posted: June 04, 2023 at 11:51 PM (#6131531)
Re #130 - did Willson Contreras steal one of Welington's l's?
   134. esseff Posted: June 05, 2023 at 12:27 AM (#6131532)
#84 ... has a pitcher ever hit one? (Either for or against the Giants) I can imagine MadBum might have come close once or twice. Or Ohtani of course. (Or Rick Ankiel but not as a pitcher.)


No pitchers. Well, Pablo Sandoval. He pitched in a couple of games. But no, no pitchers.

As for MadBum, remember that he hit righty.
   135. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 05, 2023 at 09:04 AM (#6131538)
"Post - season ". His team got into the real playoffs once in 2018, the rest of the time they've lost the play in game /games.

None of those teams have been very good and had virtually no chance of progressing.


Yes, last year's 93-win Cardinals clearly had no chance to sneak into the NLCS when faced with the juggernauts who made it - the 89-win Padres and 87-win Phillies.

(Every team that makes the playoffs has a chance of progressing. You'd think a Cardinals fan would remember 2006.)
   136. Walt Davis Posted: June 05, 2023 at 04:27 PM (#6131578)
The Red Sox seem to have some 16-yo kid pitching for them today.
   137. Froot Loops Posted: June 05, 2023 at 07:06 PM (#6131597)
The Marlins and Royals are on FS1, and I'm actually kinda jazzed about it? It's nice to see two teams you rarely get to see, and there are players worth watching on both sides, like Arraez and Witt.
   138. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 05, 2023 at 07:37 PM (#6131600)
Alex Manoah’s season continues its downward spiral, lasting only 1/3 of an inning in tonight’s start for Toronto, and allowing 8 of 9 batters to reach, while boosting his ERA from 5.46 (6.27 FIP) to 6.36. Seems to be a bit of a mystery after two good years. Astro up 6-0.
   139. Howie Menckel Posted: June 05, 2023 at 08:39 PM (#6131604)
BREAKING: deGrom to 60-day IL, kiss him goodbye at least til the All-Star break. will get its own thread, no doubt.

..................

Sunday NCAA baseball regional game, Penn vs Southern Miss. Penn already has two wins, and is one win away from advancing.

up 2-1 in the 4th inning, bases loaded and 2 out for Penn, and the count is 3-2.
and here's the pitch..... nah, I'm just kidding.

the ump called the batter out for taking too much time, and the inning was over.

Penn lost the game, and again today, and they are headed home.

now, if the ump would be downgraded for NOT calling it, then you can't blame him - he has every right to protect his job.

but.... c'mon, man. surely we can do better.
   140. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 05, 2023 at 08:54 PM (#6131605)
Aaron Nola loses his no hitter with 2 outs in the 7th as former teammate Nick Maton clobbers a meatball into the upper deck for a 3 run HR. Edmundo (I forgot how to field in 2023) Sosa’s error made the 3 runs unearned.
   141. Howie Menckel Posted: June 05, 2023 at 09:00 PM (#6131607)
12 K for Nola, but it's only the Tigers....
   142. Walt Davis Posted: June 05, 2023 at 09:12 PM (#6131608)
Holy smokes the Astros have called up Grae Kessinger, Don's grandson and Keith's nephew
   143. Walt Davis Posted: June 05, 2023 at 10:13 PM (#6131614)
Kessinger has hit 284/400/443 at AAA. He was quite bad at AA last year and the year before (211/327/366 and 209/287/330). Utility IF with 15 starts at 2B, 11 at 3B and 22 at SS this year. He has hit 6 HR already this year which is more than Gramps ever hit in a season, majors or minors.

Keith only had 32 PA in the majors. He ended up with over 1000 at AAA, hitting 247/319/342. His career high was 4 HR so looks like Grae has more power than Uncle Keith too.

All Kessingers went to Ole Miss.
   144. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 05, 2023 at 10:35 PM (#6131616)
c'mon, man. surely we can do better.
We surely can! The batter can recognize that it’s a key situation, pay attention, and get back in the damn box and be ready to hit. Much better.
   145. Rally Posted: June 06, 2023 at 08:58 AM (#6131632)
What is the story with Jo Adell? Aside from the strikeouts is he a good defensive player, base runner ? Does he still have any value or is he done?


He’s very fast. Despite that, he might be the absolute worst outfielder I’ve seen in the last 3 years. No baseball instincts whatsoever. Makes stupid mistakes. Does clumsy Jose Canseco - style things. I don’t think he’s had a ball bounce off his head for a homer yet, but if anyone could do that, it would be Adell.

Just hope that he’s worked on his defensive game and improved with experience in AAA, because he has the tools to be decent. As a hitter, he’s bashing a ton of homers, striking out a lot, and in a crazy high scoring league. There’s a chance that a more experienced version of Adell can be similar to what Hunter Renfroe has done over the last 2.5 seasons, but you never know.
   146. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2023 at 01:55 PM (#6131656)
"Hello, I'd like to report a murder."

"When did it happen, sir?"

"Oh, it didn't happen yet. It will be sometime after the 4 pm meeting today."

"Which meeting is that, sir?"

"It's the one where PGA Tour stars who turned down in some cases more than $100 million from the Saudi-backed LIV Tour will meet with the Commissioner who announced a merger with LIV this morning without bothering to consult the players."

"Motive?"

"Aside from the obvious financial one, the players who cited their disapproval of the involvement of terrorism-loving Saudis as a key reason for turning down the money will now find that their purse money starting next year will be funded in significant part by those same Saudis. So if they keep playing, they look like hypocrites - but there is no place else to go."
   147. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 06, 2023 at 02:37 PM (#6131659)
there hasnt been a thread posted on it yet but should also be noted that the Las Vegas/OAK As deal that was a done deal last week is now officially a maybe. I guess the city council or whatever has to vote on it and that might not be an easy sell. Seems like most citizens are not in favor of it and these seats have had a number of close elections lately. (I think most of the people who voted for the Raider deal got voted out)
   148. Dolf Lucky Posted: June 06, 2023 at 02:42 PM (#6131660)
Happy Elly de la Cruz day! Should be an international holiday henceforth.
   149. The Duke Posted: June 06, 2023 at 06:16 PM (#6131695)
147. It will go through - just waiting for a better moment. Joe Manchin got his pipeline in the debt deal. When deals get struck, politicians find a way to make good.
   150. BDC Posted: June 06, 2023 at 06:35 PM (#6131699)
I'm live at the BDC Dome for STL @ TEX, Dane Dunning for the Rangers & someone named Liberatore for St. Louis, sounds very Risorgimento. Roof closed (storms in area), AC refreshing.
   151. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2023 at 07:51 PM (#6131716)
Roof closed

much of the northern US could use a dome today and tomorrow, at least.

you sense that faint but noticeable smoky haze, and you know there was a forest fire up the road somewhere.

yeah, up the road in Canada - and I'm in Jersey !
   152. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 06, 2023 at 08:28 PM (#6131724)
Happy Elly de la Cruz day! Should be an international holiday henceforth.
Reds announcers are over the moon, using words like "transcendent" and "unicorn" in his first PA, and then splooging all over the place after the double in his second. I'm excited to see this guy, too, but y'all gotta calm down!
   153. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 06, 2023 at 08:34 PM (#6131726)
On the other hand...
JJ Cooper
@jjcoop36

Elly De La Cruz has been a Red for 2 PAs and one hour.
He has the hardest hit ball by any Reds hitter this year (112 mph double).
He has the fastest sprint speed a Reds baserunner has recorded (30.4 ft/sec).
He also has the third fastest sprint speed for a Reds baserunner.
Party as hard as you want, Reds fan.
   154. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2023 at 08:45 PM (#6131729)
sure, ex-ROY India and McLain and de la Cruz are nice at 2B-SS-3B for years to come - except SS-3B Noelvi Marte is chasing hard after them.

NMart has an OPS+ of .850 at AA in Chattanooga, with 8 HR and 10 SB - and he's age 21.
they call those players "Lookouts" for a reason !

almost feels like the crazy SF 1B-OF scenario, late 1950s-mid 1960s....
   155. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 06, 2023 at 08:59 PM (#6131732)
Catchable ball remained uncaught. The first hit of the game for the Yankees is an RBI gift.
   156. TomH Posted: June 06, 2023 at 09:13 PM (#6131736)
J D Martinez as of now has 43 RBI in 176 AB over 44 games.

(almost) One RBI per game is .... kinda good.
   157. TomH Posted: June 06, 2023 at 09:25 PM (#6131738)
Exhibit A for "why batting avg isn't so important"

- Luis Arraez is hitting .400
- so he must really be helping his team score, right?
- the Marlins are 2nd to last in the NL in scoring
- Arraez is only FOURTH ON HIS TEAM in scoring runs.. Can a man hit .400 and score only 65 runs in a season??
- The MLB leader, Marcus Semien, has scored two and a half times as many runs as Arraez (55 to 22)
- Arraez also has only 29 RBI, in case you thought that hitting third in the lineup should make him more of an RBI man.
   158. Dolf Lucky Posted: June 06, 2023 at 09:26 PM (#6131739)
After 4 major league plate appearances, de la Cruz has already made an out. Time to dial back the enthusiasm.
   159. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 06, 2023 at 09:35 PM (#6131740)
Red Sox get 4 in the 7th to line up new, yet to be injured, Red Sox ace Paxton a chance to get a W. Chris Martin in for the 8th, I do not expect a rendition of "Fix You" to follow....
   160. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 06, 2023 at 09:51 PM (#6131741)
Chris Martin fixes very little. Allows 2 runs, Sox still clinging to a 5-4 lead. Soon for Jansen time. This will either be perfect or a dumpster fire, there is no in between.
   161. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 06, 2023 at 10:04 PM (#6131743)
Aaron Judge to IL with sprained toe. Sue the Dodgers!
   162. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 06, 2023 at 10:05 PM (#6131745)
Jansen with a nice save, 12 pitches, 9 strikes, no BB or H given up, 1K, nice and tidy. Sox hang on for the 5-4 win, back above .500 yet still in last in the East. They really could use Devers to start earning his money.
   163. Tony S Posted: June 06, 2023 at 10:20 PM (#6131747)
Aaron Hicks is smoking the ball tonight. Two-run homer in the second, then was the victim of two great defensive plays. Orioles up 3-2 in the eighth.

And now it's 3-3 as Turang drives in Perkins for the Brewers.
   164. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 06, 2023 at 10:21 PM (#6131748)
Oh and more importantly, Arraez goes 2 for 4, now hitting .401. That's kind of fun.
   165. The Duke Posted: June 06, 2023 at 10:22 PM (#6131749)
From Bill James:

Did you know that over the last five seasons (2019-2023) Marcus Semien has more Win Shares than Mike Trout--and it isn't remotely close. "Close" would be 2%, maybe 5%. Over 5 years, Semien beats Trout in Win Shares by a whopping 19%.
   166. The Duke Posted: June 06, 2023 at 10:57 PM (#6131750)
Just watching Bruce Bochy stumble around tonight . Did he have a stroke ? Does he drink during the game ? Something doesn't look right there
   167. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2023 at 11:17 PM (#6131751)
Mets backup C follies:

Nido was 7 for 56 (all singles) before DFA this week
vet Omar Narvaez (22 HR in 2019), age 31 and on the IL almost all season, is now 6 for 16

this seems like a possible upgrade
   168. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2023 at 11:38 PM (#6131753)
not that I'm a frontrunner or anything, but I didn't watch a second of rain-delayed Mets-Braves tonight until I just realized the rotting corpse of Vogelbach might get a golden sombrero on - if the baseball gods are kind are merciful - will be the final game of his Mets career.

but no, Vogelbach grounds out feebly to second base.

has anyone ever had a golden sombrero in the final game of his MLB career?
kind of like a bizarro Ted Williams exit, I'd say.

(oh, yes - Mets lose, 6-4 while blowing a 3-0 lead in the 5th inning)
   169. Walt Davis Posted: June 06, 2023 at 11:45 PM (#6131756)
Trout 2019-23: 1740 PA
Semien 2019-23; 2709 PA (That is a lot of PA for 3 full seasons plus 120 games)

So in 56% more playing time, Semien has 19% more win shares. I'm shocked!!

FWIW, bWAR puts it at 19.5/13.9 vs 25.1/16.6 (that's WAR/WAA) so 28.7% more WAR and 19.4% more WAA. (Is there a win shares to WAA connection or is that just coincidence? If anything, I thought win shares was kinda anti-WAA.)

Over that same period, Xander has a smidgen more WAR but less WAA than Trout. Arenado and Goldschmidt barely sneak past in WAR but are a bit short in WAA. That Judge guy cleans his clock in WAR and WAA (with about a 25% PA difference).

Of course Elly de la Cruz has more WAR than Trout 2019-23 after just 4 PA.
   170. Walt Davis Posted: June 07, 2023 at 12:09 AM (#6131760)
After a promising start, it's the annual 3-week utter collapse of the Cubs' bullpen. We once led this game 4-0 but, alas ... Ohtani with a bit of a cheap HR didn't help. (Actually I wasn't paying attention, looked up and somehow we were down 6-4.)

Meanwhile ... it's almost as if Ross is under orders to run this like a Little League team where everybody gets to play. We seem to have shifted from trying to bore our way into the playoffs towards "what the hell, let's find out what we've got." Miguel Amaya, who was always considered a glove-first C prospect (or at least since they watched him hit) was hot in AA/AAA this year so now has 3 starts in 3 games, 2 of them at DH. Matt Mervis, a LHB, gets the start at 1B over Mancini vs LHP Tyler Anderson. Mike Tauchmann, 32-yo LHB, gets the start in CF. (Fairly enough, Morel has been terrible lately ... I may have jumped the gun 10 days ago when I proclaimed him the greatest hitter in baseball history.)
   171. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 07, 2023 at 12:13 AM (#6131762)
From Bill James:

Did you know that over the last five seasons (2019-2023) Marcus Semien has more Win Shares than Mike Trout--and it isn't remotely close. "Close" would be 2%, maybe 5%. Over 5 years, Semien beats Trout in Win Shares by a whopping 19%.
From Bill James:

Did you know that over the last five seasons, I’m still trying to make Win Shares a thing?
   172. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 07, 2023 at 12:36 AM (#6131766)
The Rangers have lots of guys OPSing over .800, I guys that's how you score lots of runs.

The Reds overcome the Dodgers 9-8 on 13 singles and 1 double(hit by some guy named De La Cruz....). 14 hits and only 1 XBH seems unusual; maybe not.
   173. Froot Loops Posted: June 07, 2023 at 10:30 AM (#6131789)
From Bill James:

Did you know that over the last five seasons, I’m still trying to make Win Shares a thing?


This is really unfair, although I'm not blaming you because you obviously didn't see the original tweet. James originally posted the difference in terms of WAR, and Tangotiger followed up by tweeting the difference in terms of Win Shares. James responded that he didn't want to use his own stat in this context because people would accuse him of cooking the books.
   174. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 07, 2023 at 11:57 AM (#6131793)
a simple question re: win shares: Is it better to be 5-3 or 10-7? Ie. which is more helpful to a team: the raw difference or the percentage of wins?
   175. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2023 at 12:10 PM (#6131795)
Mark Saxon
@markasaxon
·
2h
Just based on my sense of timing from two decades as an MLB beat writer, I would expect a fairly robust intervention from the #STLCards front office soon. They can’t just do nothing as the team squanders all the effort it took to get back in contention.

...............

I have 10 bucks on UNDER 88.5 wins for Cardinals this year. hated their lack of starting pitching depth.

STL is 25-37
so I can withstand a 63-37 rally and still cash.

:)
   176. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 07, 2023 at 01:11 PM (#6131814)
This is really unfair, although I'm not blaming you because you obviously didn't see the original tweet. James originally posted the difference in terms of WAR, and Tangotiger followed up by tweeting the difference in terms of Win Shares. James responded that he didn't want to use his own stat in this context because people would accuse him of cooking the books.
Duly noted. But my broader snark stands.
   177. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2023 at 01:20 PM (#6131815)
guy on the internet who says he's a doctor says Judge will be out til the All-Star break, so it must be true !

meanwhile, finally an option for the infielder-starved Reds:

06.07... Christian Encarnacion-Strand went 3-for-4 with a homer and a walk for Triple-A Louisville on Tuesday.
Spin: Encarnacion-Strand has five homers and a 1.245 OPS in his last 12 games, and he's at .352/.408/.716 for the year. The easy time for the Reds to call him up seems to have passed, what with Joey Votto back on a rehab assignment and likely to come off the IL sometime soon. They could still make room for him with Votto on the team, but it probably wouldn't leave much for Votto to do.
   178. The Duke Posted: June 07, 2023 at 01:57 PM (#6131821)
Mozeliak on Marmol:

"From my standpoint, I trust him, I believe in him and I stand by him."

The end is near, the end is very near
   179. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 07, 2023 at 05:05 PM (#6131856)
White Sox @ Yankees postponed due to “Air Quality”. Looks like it’ll be made up tomorrow as part of a doubleheader starting at 4:00 PM. BITD, when men were men, didn’t they continue to play when the stands were burning down? What’s a little Canadian smoke?
   180. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 07, 2023 at 05:07 PM (#6131857)
Gary Sanchez with his 4th homer in his 9th game as a Padre.
   181. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 07, 2023 at 05:16 PM (#6131859)
Gary Sanchez, batting cleanup for the Padres today, hits his 4th HR in 9 games, and is now at .313/.361/.750 for San Diego. Big plus for the Padres if he can reclaim anything like the elite hitting ability last seen in 2019.

EDIT: No coke, since #180 didn’t provide the invaluable additional context found here.
   182. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2023 at 05:21 PM (#6131860)
What’s a little Canadian smoke?

the WNBA's NY Liberty postponed their game tonight at Barclays Center in Brooklyn before the Yankees did.

that game would have been indoors, of course, so would have seemed odd for any NYC team to play outdoors following that announcement.

getting many reports in NJ - one says sky is "New York Knicks orange," another says red, another says yellow.

I'm getting a seemingly unmistakable odor of an outdoor grilling party.

if you have asthma or any kind of respiratory issues, fuggedabout it this week.
   183. Walt Davis Posted: June 07, 2023 at 05:52 PM (#6131865)
Went through that (briefly where I was) a few years ago during the big NSW coastal fires. I remember looking out my window thinking "wow, don't think I've ever seen the morning fog this heavy and low and why is it foggy this time of year?" followed by "d'oh!" A hot summer's day with all the windows closed and not running the AC. (For the record, where I was got very lucky that summer -- most areas N, W and S of us were directly affected. There were a couple of days when the fire was expected to jump the highways and spread towards us but it didn't. The wind directions were generally favorable for us and just a couple of days of heavy smoke.)
   184. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2023 at 06:02 PM (#6131867)
Phillies also PPD
   185. The Duke Posted: June 07, 2023 at 06:25 PM (#6131871)
Michael Wacha has really come into his own. He looked like the next big thing coming up and then had that weird stress reaction injury in his shoulder. Then they changed his delivery such that he looked like a big guy getting out of a clown car and then disappeared into the one year contract world. Now he's a legit #2, #3 starter for a contender

He just got his pension wings too. Ten years in the MLB. How time flies
   186. Walt Davis Posted: June 07, 2023 at 06:30 PM (#6131874)
- Luis Arraez is hitting .400
- so he must really be helping his team score, right?
- the Marlins are 2nd to last in the NL in scoring
- Arraez is only FOURTH ON HIS TEAM in scoring runs.. Can a man hit .400 and score only 65 runs in a season??


Sure, baseball isn't a one-man game. He does lead the NL in OBP at 451. He also leads in OPS+. He has 18 Rbat which would place him 4th ... among NL teams.** He is actually 3rd among NL players (Freeman with a 299 BA, Acuna with a 329 BA).

So yes, he is a great example of the importance of batting average.

Unfortunately for him and the Marlins' six fans, the rest of the team isn't very good. The Marlins may have taken the "batting order doesn't matter" thing a bit far given their #4 batters are averaging 217/286/383. And I'm pretty sure The Book would say that #3 (34 of 54 starts) is the worst spot for a hitter like Arraez -- all those PAs with 2 outs and nobody on wastes the value of a guy like this. Over half os his PAs come with nobody on, about 15% with 2 outs and nobody on. He has just 58 PA with RISP, hitting 375/414/467. With man on 3rd and <2 outs (just 12 PA) he has the fabulous line of 667/583/778.

It's true he's not much of a baserunner and, to make matters worse, this year is taking the extra base only 27% of the time (39% career). But it's not really his fault that only 8 times has he been on second when a single was hit (it is probably partly his fault that he's scored only 3 times out of those 8).

Now the point you want to make would be better made looking at the Marlins' overall stats. The team is 2nd in BA but are just 10th in OBP (that's a lot of not walking) and 10th in SLG (that's a lot of non-ISOing). They are first in hits but 14th in BB, 12th in doubles and 11th in HRs. Alas, outside of Arraez they hit 233 -- he raises the team BA by 28 points! That 233 would be good for 13th.

So it's true, if a team has a good BA but doesn't take walks or hit for power, they won't score many runs. That's because they are doing only one of the three things you need to do well to produce runs. It's probably even worse when in fact it's just one player who does a good (well great) job of hitting for average. (In fairness, a few Marlins are having decent years. They just don't seem to be on base for Arraez nor are they getting hits when he's on base very often.)

** I know, but it sounds cool doesn't it?
   187. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 07, 2023 at 06:47 PM (#6131878)
After starting so poorly and all of us thinking WTF is wrong with Juan Soto, he proceeded to have a month of being JUAN SOTO. He cooled down this past week, however today he has righted that ship and is JUAN SOTO again as he's a tidy 5 for 5 today.
Of course we now need to ask, WTF is wrong with Manny Machado?
   188. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2023 at 06:56 PM (#6131881)
If Billy McKinney is the answer - wait, what was the question again?

regardless, he replaces Aaron Judge on NYY roster. corner OF.

ex-NYY TOR MIL NYM LAD OAK ballplayer is bringing it all back home. (Bob Dylan said that.)

6th team in 4 years - surprised he's only 28.

79 career OPS+, went 5-for-52 for the A's last year and 12-for-82 for the Dodgers in 2021. oof.

was 1 for 4 as a Yankee in 2018 before being shipped to Toronto with Brandon Drury in a midseason trade for J.A. Happ, who went 19-8 for NYY in 2018-19.
   189. bookbook Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:06 PM (#6131882)
What do you do when Saudi Arabia buys your favorite team? It’s coming, so plan accordingly.
   190. Walt Davis Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:26 PM (#6131888)
Arraez's lack of RS and RBI is also partly reflective of the importance of the HR in today's game. Last year Trout scored 85 runs and drove in 80 -- that was just in 120 games so respectable totals. But that was also on 40 HRs. He was driven in by somebody else just 45 times, drove in somebody other than himself just 40 times. Extrapolate those over a full season and we'd be talking about just about 60 RS and 55 RBI. (And a good chunk of those RBI scored on HRs and wouldn't score on a single.) And he had Ohtani in the lineup to help (Ohtani drove him in 15 of those 45 times, probably at least a few times with a HR).

Arraez had just 1 HR so far this year so he's been driven in by somebody else 23 times. We're about 40% through the season so that would be a pace around 60 RS, about the same total as an extrapolated Trout (OBP 369 and that includes the HRs). Bat Ohtani behind Arraez and I'd guess his RS would go up.

FWIW, even as a very good runner, Carew only scored 100 runs in a season once (came very close twice). With just 92 career HR, he was driven in by others 1332 times. Career OBP of 393. Gary Sheffield had exactly the same OBP (to the 4th decimal) in 400 more PA. He was driven in by other 1127 times. Bobby Abreu had a 395 OBP in about 500 fewer PAs and was driven in by other 1165 times. Of course if we convert Sheff's and Abreu's extra HRs to singles and a few doubles, they would have been driven in some of those times and get closer to Carew's total.

OBP is very important but relying on others to drive you in all the time is a tough way to score runs. Even with his smidge of HRs, Carew scored only about 88 runs per 650 PA. With about the same HR/PA rate and a slightly lower career OBP, Arraez has scored about 86 runs/650. Brandon Nimmo, with a good bit more power, lower BA, more walks, same OBP as Arraez has scored 91 runs/650 ... while hitting 16.5 HR/650 compared with Arraez's 5.4 HR.650.

LA 1804 PA, 326/384/421, 125 OPS+, 21 Rbat/650
BN 2634 PA, 271/384/439, 129 OPS+, 26 Rbat/650

If we look at them in terms of "bases produced" (i.e. TB + BB + HBP), Nimmo comes in at about 340 per 650 PA and Arraez at just 305. Now feel free to argue that Nimmo is the contemporary Roy White.
   191. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:27 PM (#6131889)
EDIT: No coke, since #180 didn’t provide the invaluable additional context found here.
Thanks for that context, Mr. I Need The Last Word, otherwise no one here would ever have known who Gary Sanchez is, on a site where Gary Sanchez's adventures have made the news section three times in the last three months months and countless times in chatter.
   192. Dolf Lucky Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:31 PM (#6131890)
Elly. De. La. Cruz.
   193. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:33 PM (#6131891)
he's proving he can hit batting practice, as the came off the rotting husk of Noah Syndergaard (6.79 ERA).

............

RUH ROH

Top of 1st
Brandon Nimmo walked.
Jeff McNeil reached on fielder's choice (ground ball to 2B). Brandon Nimmo out at 2nd.
Francisco Lindor struck out swinging.
Pete Alonso was hit by a pitch. Jeff McNeil advanced to 2nd.
Offensive substitution: Tommy Pham pinch running for Pete Alonso.

[might have to end my protest non-watching of feckless Mets]
   194. Walt Davis Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:37 PM (#6131894)
If Billy McKinney is the answer - wait, what was the question again?

The Yanks crossed this line when they added Jake Bauers to the 26-man. Or possibly way back when they added Franchy. Warm bodies are significantly better than an Aaron Judge cutout in the starting lineup. (Bauers of course has a 127 OPS+ cuz why not.)

But I also can't believe McKinney is still just 28. He came to the Cubs as part of the Russell-Samardzija trade. He went from Cubs to Yanks as part of the Gleyber-Chapman trade. He's had a solid career as the "nice throw-in" for a trade. If he can hang on for 30 days or so, he'll be arb-eligible at the end of the year.
   195. Tony S Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:39 PM (#6131895)
So the Mets are now... feckful?
   196. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:45 PM (#6131897)
What do you do when Saudi Arabia buys your favorite team? It’s coming, so plan accordingly.


Nah, won't happen. They'll be more clever then that. Oil money will somehow buy into the league itself, Manfred will consider this a good idea, and under the guise of a "partnership", dirty oil money will control the financial direction of MLB. Of course the owners will be stoked as they will all get a windfall of like $500mil USD. Tampa, Oakland, Cincy, Pittsburgh and Cleveland will still cry poor and spend less then half of the large market teams....
   197. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2023 at 07:56 PM (#6131901)
Steve Gelbs
@SteveGelbs
·
26m
Pete Alonso is coming out of the game after getting hit on the wrist with a Charlie Morton fastball.
   198. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 07, 2023 at 08:13 PM (#6131904)
This De La Cruz kid seems quite good. All he needs is a single to get into the "you only needed your first 2 games in MLB to get a cycle with a BB included" club.

Obviously this is not a thing, but hey, so far, the kid is super fun and gathering a HR, triple, double and 2 BB in your first game and a half is a pretty good start.

Oh and right now he's OPSing 2.514. Suck on that Bonds and Ruth!
   199. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2023 at 08:16 PM (#6131905)
Arraez 19-for-35 (.543) on this homestand.

that'll play in any ballpark, as they say
   200. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 07, 2023 at 08:29 PM (#6131906)
Obviously this is not a thing, but hey, so far, the kid is super fun and gathering a HR, triple, double and 2 BB in your first game and a half is a pretty good start.
Drawing a walk in his first big league PA was kind of impressive. Everyone's excited and eager to swing the bat their first time up. That guy was ready.
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