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301. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 09, 2023 at 11:42 PM (#6132241)

Just for the record, it's only a couple of weeks, but the Cardinals starting pitching has the lowest era in baseball since May 25th... the starting pitching isn't the issue, even the bullpen isn't the issue (it's unreliable bullpen that can be an issue) add in that the Cardinals have in their previous 12 games had 8 one run games 3 two run games, and a 7-0 blowout... the real issue is the inability to put a killing blow on the team when they get the lead.... you get the lead, you need to change your strategy and work for one run, move the runners over, a leadoff double should always result in a run when you have the lead, stop playing for the big inning, and just get the extra guy home. The number of games the cardinals have lost this year because they couldn't advance a leadoff double is ridiculously high. (and coincidently the Cardinals have allowed 8 leadoff doubles to start a game this year, last year they allowed five)

right now, the entire issue with the Cardinals is a failure to adjust tactics, it's as if some stat guy is determining their actions and says don't change a thing regardless of situation, when the reality is you have to adjust on an inning by inning basis.

302. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 09, 2023 at 11:46 PM (#6132242)

Since May 25th, starting pitcher era... Cardinals 2.54, Padres 2.79, Rangers 2.83, Rays 2.87, Marlins 3.24.

303. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 10, 2023 at 01:02 AM (#6132244)

I will have to take it back, after the Pirates 14-7 victory, they now have a +5 run differential, first in the Nl central over the Cardinals measly +4.

304. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 10, 2023 at 01:07 AM (#6132245)

Here is the funniest thing (or saddest if you are a Cardinal fan) The Cardinals have the fourth most runs scored in the NL.... and yet the biggest reason they have a crappy record is because of when those runs score. There is no logical sense for the Cardinals record to be where it is based upon the quality of offense, quality of defense, quality of starting pitching and quality of relief pitching that they have actually shown... It's one of those things that just happened because of circumstance, and to not understand that, is why you have panic morons(I mean panicky fans) the team more then likely can't rebound to the playoffs with the balanced schedule, but they might at least rebound to looking decent.

305. The Duke Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:05 AM (#6132247)

Walt mentioned Paul Goldschmidt at 30 consecutive stolen bases. I remember when Davey Lopes set the all time record at 38. Since then there have been four guys who have longer streaks

50
45
40
39
38. Davey Lopes

One guy is a HOFr, one guy will be a HOFr and one guy is on the ballot but won't be voted in. The other guy barely got a vote before dropping off ballot

306. The Duke Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:48 AM (#6132251)

Corbin Carroll moved into first place on fWAR in the NL on his quest to win ROY and MVP. Wow!

307. The Duke Posted: June 10, 2023 at 11:05 AM (#6132256)

There's a Couple articles I found that list George Brunet in 2014 as leader of "most different uniform numbers worn" with 15 and the another 2020 article that has him tied which implies someone in that 6 year period tied him. The only names that jumped out at me were Jason Marquis and Edwin Jackson but they are the guy. Who would that person be ?

308. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 10, 2023 at 12:16 PM (#6132260)

There's a Couple articles I found that list George Brunet in 2014 as leader of "most different uniform numbers worn" with 15 and the another 2020 article that has him tied which implies someone in that 6 year period tied him. The only names that jumped out at me were Jason Marquis and Edwin Jackson but they are the guy. Who would that person be ?

My initial guess was Rich Hill but he only has 8 numbers. Mike Morgan has 13... nobody else seems to match up.

309. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 10, 2023 at 02:50 PM (#6132265)

That was disappointing, in the first inning the Cardinals load the bases with two outs and failed to score, in the second inning, the reds have 2 outs nobody on, then proceed to load the bases and score three runs.

310. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 10, 2023 at 03:01 PM (#6132266)

I'm tired of gameday saying 'in play, run scored' over and over when the Reds are up to bat. 5-0 Reds in third inning. De La Cruz with a hit to keep his streak alive.

311. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 04:06 PM (#6132286)

#305 ... just based on the clues and "fast" I'll guess the "will be a HoFer" is Ichiro, the HoFer is Larkin, "barely got a vote" is Lofton and, my super dark horse pick, on the ballot but not getting in is Abreu. I'm prepared to be wrong on all 4 because this one does seem to be surprises -- obviously more to do with SB efficency rather than profligacy and I think even Lopes run was spread out over 2-3 seasons.

312. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 04:11 PM (#6132287)

Ichiro is the only one I got right.

313. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 10, 2023 at 04:21 PM (#6132289)

You could have gotten all four if you wanted to.

314. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 04:30 PM (#6132296)

I'll expand the quiz a bit. The Wiki list goes down to 35 straight steals. Ten guys, three of them appearing twice. Some hints, copying Duke, for all 10 but also guess the three to appear twice, listed in order of their longest streak:

1. Barely got a vote (he got a vote?)
2. Ichiro
3. HoFer, an obvious one to guess
4. On the ballot but not getting in
5. Lopes
6. Career 4th OF, over 5700 PA but only two (barely) qualified seasons, his dad played too
7. Held the record for 52 years, HoFer
8. Pretty much exactly the HoFer you might expect to steal 36 straight late in his career
9. Better known for his HR fluke season
10. Better known as a breakfast cereal

Warning, all but two of the 35+ streaks carried over parts of at least two seasons.

315. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 10, 2023 at 04:35 PM (#6132299)

7. Held the record for 52 years, HoFer

Did some of his career overlap with before they were tracking caught stealing?

316. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 10, 2023 at 04:36 PM (#6132301)

Carlson with his first homeruns since coming back, and Walker is continuing his one hit per game trend that Duke noted about him. Cardinals losing 7-3 while both teams have 9 hits, 3 walks and 3 extra base hits. That extra hbp by the Cardinals on the Reds is probably the difference maker here.

317. salvomania Posted: June 10, 2023 at 04:43 PM (#6132304)

The air has gone out of one of the more unlikely "copmeback stories" of 2023, Paul DeJong's resurgence following 3 years of a steadily downward trajectory.

He started the year on the IL, not debuting until April 23.

From April 23-May 23, playing pretty much every day (and supplanting Edman from the SS position) DeJong hit .291/.371/.616 over 97 PA, with 8 homers and 18 rbi.

Since May 23, he's gone 6-for-49 (.122) in 14 games to drop his average down to .230, and looks every bit the guy who hit .182 with a .621 OPS over 2021-22.

318. salvomania Posted: June 10, 2023 at 04:47 PM (#6132305)

To parrot CFB's point:

Today the Reds and Cardinals each have 14 baserunners through 8 innings, and the Reds are up 7-3.

The Reds have 4 hits with RISP while the Cardinals are 0-for-6, their three runs coming from a Carlson 2-run homer and a Goldschmidt double driving in a runner from first.

319. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 06:51 PM (#6132321)

Did some of his career overlap with before they were tracking caught stealing?

An excellent question. You'll have to take it up with the author of the Wiki piece. :-)

EDIT: his career did overlap but the player has non-zero CS in the seasons in question. I don't know whether those were officially tracked CS or some retrosheet detective work that may have missed some CS. He had higher CS in some previous and subsequent seasons though.

320. Booey Posted: June 10, 2023 at 07:33 PM (#6132322)

Duke/Walt -

I'm guessing Molitor is one of the HOFers. I thought I remembered that he was perfect for a couple seasons late in his career, and b-ref confirmed my memory by showing him as 32-0 from 1994 (20-0) to 1995 (12-0). Add a few steals from the end of 1993 or the beginning of 1996 and he's on the list.

321. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 07:37 PM (#6132324)

Correct Booey ... he's "Pretty much exactly the HoFer you might expect to steal 36 straight late in his career>." So in my list, not Duke's.

1. Barely got a vote (he got a vote?)
2. Ichiro
3. HoFer, an obvious one to guess
4. On the ballot but not getting in
5. Lopes
6. Career 4th OF, over 5700 PA but only two (barely) qualified seasons, his dad played too
7. Held the record for 52 years, HoFer
8. Molitor
9. Better known for his HR fluke season
10. Better known as a breakfast cereal

322. Booey Posted: June 10, 2023 at 07:43 PM (#6132325)

Is Beltran the guy on the ballot who's not getting in (even though I think he will)?

Looks like he was 13-0 in 2000 and then 31-1 in 2001. He was also 28-0 with the Astros in 2004. Add a few on either side of those streaks and he could be in the conversation.

323. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 07:45 PM (#6132326)

The air has gone out of...

Probably even more obvious than deJong, Christopher Morel had his HR streak ...

May 9-May 23: 367/494/980 with 9 HR ... and 19 K in 52 pA
May 24 - yesterday: 063/189/063 with 0 HR and 12 K in 37 PA

So what happened on May 23-24 to ruin both deJong and Morel? :-)

324. Booey Posted: June 10, 2023 at 07:53 PM (#6132328)

#9 - Bert Campaneris?
#10 - Gotta be Coco Crisp, right?

325. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 07:54 PM (#6132329)

Bryan Reynolds

G 1-7: 448/469/1103
G 8-22: 214/242/268
signs 8/$107 extension
G 23-59: 268/356/423 (good numbers, a bit below his career average)

So did the Pirates wait for reality to set in to remind him he's not getting superstar money or were the Pirates still swooning?

326. Booey Posted: June 10, 2023 at 07:55 PM (#6132330)

#3 - Raines or Rickey

327. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 08:02 PM (#6132331)

Booey -- Crisp is correct. Campy is not ... while his fluke HR season is one of the more famous fluke HR seasons, I wouldn't say it's what he's best known for. I think #9 is probably best known for his fluke HR season (and it's not Davey Johnson).

1. Barely got a vote (he got a vote?)
2. Ichiro
3. Raines
4. On the ballot but not getting in
5. Lopes
6. Career 4th OF, over 5700 PA but only two (barely) qualified seasons, his dad played too
7. Held the record for 52 years, HoFer
8. Molitor
9. Better known for his HR fluke season
10. Coco Crisp

Really, #3 couldn't be more obvious (I'm embarrassed myself). #1 might be the most "steals are over-rated" guy of all-time. (Seriously, he got a HoF vote? Three actually. Those voters should have had their votes and their children taken away.)

Update ... yes #3 is Raines ... lots of steals at a very high rate of success.

328. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 08:07 PM (#6132332)

It was not classice era Raines but the White Sox years and he did it over 3 seasons 1993-95. He was only 47-9 across those seasons but he managed to stick 40 straight in there.

329. Booey Posted: June 10, 2023 at 08:09 PM (#6132333)

#1 - Vince Coleman

#4 - You didn't answer my guess of Carlos Beltran in #322, but if it's not him, I'm gonna guess Jimmy Rollins

#9 - Brady Anderson?

330. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 08:49 PM (#6132334)

Yes ... didn't see the Beltran guess but yes on Rollins ... and yes on Brady

1. Coleman
2. Ichiro
3. Raines
4. Rollins
5. Lopes
6. Career 4th OF, over 5700 PA but only two (barely) qualified seasons, his dad played too
7. Held the record for 52 years, HoFer
8. Molitor
9. Brady Anderson
10. Coco Crisp

I don't know enough about the old-timer to give any useful clues.

And #6 ... I don't know of a better clue than career 4th OF (there aren't many of those and even fewer who make it to nearly 6000 PA) whose dad also had a pretty long career. I wouldn't get it from those clues either. He wasn't a particularly prolific base stealer (nowhere near the top 100), career high 36, although obviously some of that was lack of playing time. I assume not the first but I think he must have been one of the earliest 2nd generation Latin MLB players (not including dads in the NeL, etc) ... but I might be well off on that.

331. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:07 PM (#6132335)

And the followup if Booey wants to tackle that too -- which three have two streaks of 35+? (They've all been named.)

332. The Duke Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:11 PM (#6132336)

This new era of base stealing ought to lead to a lot of records in this space being revisited. It might take a few years for these guys to percolate up from the draft but I bet we start seeing a lot more stealing. In particular, I've noticed a lot of guys who aren't base stealers taking 2nd base on 1st and 3rd situations. It's almost a free base now which I don't like . I don't like little league baseball infiltrating the big leagues

333. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:20 PM (#6132337)

NO HITTER ALERT: Kyle Hendricks through 7 vs Giants. It's Hendricks so he's only on 81 pitches. The game's on Fox.

334. JJ1986 Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:26 PM (#6132338)

I had to look him up, but one more hint for #6, he actually had 3 qualified seasons, though only 2 seasons of >502 PAs.

335. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:31 PM (#6132339)

#334: Good catch

336. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:38 PM (#6132341)

Oh well, 2-out double, nearly a HR. Maybe Happ could have made a miracle catch and concussed himself.

337. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:45 PM (#6132342)

I can see why TV had trouble adjusting to the pitch clock. Especially for Fox, we'd have had 35 reaction shots and replays from 10 different cameras. Instead we didn't even get one replay. All of the between-inning time to commercials and we still haven't had a replay. They probably should give some extra time between batters. Just like 5-10 extra seconds between batters (enough for a simple replay), maybe 15 after something "important."

I would have suggested just some extra time after something important but then Aaron Boone will come storming out the dugout every game to debate whether that last play was or wasn't important enough.

338. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2023 at 09:54 PM (#6132343)

More on #6 then. His dad played nearly all of his career for one team (just a short stint in Cincy at the end). So he is top 25 in a lot of boring counting stats for a very old NL franchise. Dad was also not a prolific base stealer but did have 26 one year. Dad made two AS teams and, somehow, finished top 10 in MVP voting once. Postseason BA of 333.

339. The Duke Posted: June 10, 2023 at 10:03 PM (#6132344)

Oakland on a four game winning streak ripping through the NL Central like they own the place

340. Booey Posted: June 11, 2023 at 12:09 AM (#6132345)

#6 - No idea

#7 - Max Carey?

3 guys with 2 such streaks - Ichiro, Rollins, and Molitor?

341. salvomania Posted: June 11, 2023 at 01:31 AM (#6132346)

Stan Javier!

342. Booey Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:08 AM (#6132347)

Revisiting an earlier conversation in a more straightforward way, Luis Arraez played his 60th game yesterday (Marlins 65th), still hitting .402. Since Ted's .406 in 1941, of all the names we looked up, here's the only ones left I could find that were still at .400 in their 60th game or later. I'm using PERSONAL games played rather than calendar dates or team games played to eliminate the problem of different seasons starting on different dates, or seasons where a player missed a lot of early games (like Joe Mauer's 2009, where he was still over .400 after the Twins 71st game, but he had only played in 46 of them). This puts everyone on an even level. It also surprisingly knocks George Brett off the top spot. It's widely considered that Brett came closest to hitting .400 since he was still above the latest in a season (Sep 19th), and through the most team games (148). However, he missed so much time during that span that he actually falls to second on this list.

Most games played in a season post 1941, still at .400 or above (final avg in parenthesis):

1) 105 - John Olerud 1993 (.363)
2) 104 - George Brett 1980 (.390)
3) 92 - Larry Walker 1997 (.366)
4) 87 - Tony Gwynn 1997 (.372)
5) 81 - Rod Carew 1977 (.388)
6) 76 - Stan Musial 1948 (.376)
7) 75 - Nomar Garciaparra 2000 (.372)
8) 66 - Chipper Jones 2008 (.364)
9) 64 - Rod Carew 1983 (.339)
-) 64 - Andres Galarraga 1993 (.370)
11) 60+ - Luis Arraez 2023 (???)

Did I miss anyone? If not, Arraez will be entering the top 10 very soon if he can keep it up...

* Todd Helton in 2000 deserves a mention; he barely missed this list cuz the last time he FINISHED a game at .400 or above was in his 56th game, but if we were looking at being above .400 at ANY point during a game, he'd take the top spot by a mile. On August 21st in his 123rd game, he entered the game hitting .398, then started 2-3 to briefly sit at an even .400, before going 0-2 the rest of the game and dropping back down to .398.

** Didn't make this short list obviously, but does anyone else remember that Cody Bellinger lasted 47 games before dropping below .400 for the final time during his 2019 MVP season (and somehow only finishing at .305)?

343. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 08:26 AM (#6132348)

Javier and Max Carey are correct

344. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 11:12 AM (#6132350)

There have been quite a few cycles in modem history but only 15 natural cycles in all of MLB history

The first three were by guys I didn't know: Lon Knight, Bill collins, and Bob Fothergill

Then

1932: this HOFr appeared in 7 World Series
1939: this HOFr was a batting champ, MVP and World Series champ
1943: this player was involved in Slaughters mad dash in 1946
1963: An original Met !
1964: Borderline HOFr who like the 1939 entry was an MVP and World Series Champ
1966: long time teammate of the the 1963 entry and a HOFr
1976: Played for 16 years, 1500 hits, 6 bWAR and an OPS+ 64
1979: long time Astro accomplished feat in his only year in Boston
1996: racked up -2.3 bWAR over a long career, best known as hitting coach which he does today
2000: generated 31 WAR as an infielder for Brew Crew and White Sox
2002: mostly forgettable player who finished second in ROY in this year for Montreal
2006; our last entry is a Jr to his more famous father but finished with about 1/2 his fathers WAR

345. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 11, 2023 at 11:26 AM (#6132351)

Revisiting an earlier conversation in a more straightforward way, Luis Arraez played his 60th game yesterday (Marlins 65th), still hitting .402. Since Ted's .406 in 1941, of all the names we looked up, here's the only ones left I could find that were still at .400 in their 60th game or later. I'm using PERSONAL games played rather than calendar dates or team games played to eliminate the problem of different seasons starting on different dates, or seasons where a player missed a lot of early games (like Joe Mauer's 2009, where he was still over .400 after the Twins 71st game, but he had only played in 46 of them). This puts everyone on an even level. It also surprisingly knocks George Brett off the top spot. It's widely considered that Brett came closest to hitting .400 since he was still above the latest in a season (Sep 19th), and through the most team games (148). However, he missed so much time during that span that he actually falls to second on this list.

This is awesome, thanks for doing the research! It's very cool to understand, for example, that it's been 15 years since someone has gone this deep into the season hitting .400.

346. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 12:05 PM (#6132353)

To be clear the 1964 entry is NOT in the HOF but was close

347. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 11, 2023 at 12:30 PM (#6132355)

tony lazzerri on the 1932 entry

348. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 11, 2023 at 12:34 PM (#6132356)

ken boyer seems like a natural guess for 1964

349. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 12:54 PM (#6132357)

Correct on Lazzeri and Boyer

350. Froot Loops Posted: June 11, 2023 at 01:09 PM (#6132358)

Tim Foli and Bob Watson

351. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 11, 2023 at 01:10 PM (#6132359)

Guessed Reggie Smith on the 1979 entry but that is wrong.

352. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 11, 2023 at 01:14 PM (#6132360)

You wont believe 1976!

353. Booey Posted: June 11, 2023 at 01:23 PM (#6132361)

Quick question I should probably know the answer to: what is a "natural" cycle? Is it a single, double, triple, and homer in ascending order?

354. NaOH Posted: June 11, 2023 at 01:44 PM (#6132362)

Oakland on a four game winning streak ripping through the NL Central like they own the place

I think it's now only the Royals who haven't yet had a winning streak of at least three games.

355. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 11, 2023 at 02:14 PM (#6132368)

what is a "natural" cycle? Is it a single, double, triple, and homer in ascending order?

yes it is. I had to look it up.

356. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 11, 2023 at 02:47 PM (#6132369)

1996: racked up -2.3 bWAR over a long career, best known as hitting coach which he does today

I thought it was John Mabry, but he has -2.1 bwar.

357. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 03:09 PM (#6132371)

It is mabry - might be a typo on my part

358. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 03:10 PM (#6132372)

350. Correct !

359. Addie Joss Posted: June 11, 2023 at 03:16 PM (#6132373)

1939 has to be Joe D or Charlie Gehringer. 1963 is Jim Hickman or Ron Hunt.

360. JJ1986 Posted: June 11, 2023 at 03:22 PM (#6132374)

2000 - Jose Valentin?

361. JJ1986 Posted: June 11, 2023 at 03:22 PM (#6132375)

2002 is Brad Wilkerson.

362. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 03:28 PM (#6132376)

359. You have to pick one !

360/1. Both of these are right. I didn't even know who Valentin was and Mo and behold he had 30 bWAR. I was shocked

363. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:20 PM (#6132378)

Of course as we are talking about it, Goldschmidt ends his streak.

364. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:35 PM (#6132379)

Ha - figures

365. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:40 PM (#6132380)

Elly De La Cruz disrupts everything. Pitchers are already afraid to throw strikes so they walk him. Looking at 3-3 game in 8th. He draws a walk goes to 2B on what should have been a force out but he was running on play. Moves to 3B on a ball many woild not try to advance. Infield in, hot shot right at SS. Hurries the throw and Elly scores easily. A perfect throw would have been bang bang.

Reds lead 4-3.

Having watched him, I wouldn't bring infield in on him unless it was a walk off situation. You've got about a 95% chance of him scoring or a big inning happening or both.

He's a force

366. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:41 PM (#6132381)

Hard to believe Tim Foli had a natural cycle. Did he even have any other 4 hit games? He was a terrible hitter with no punch

367. Dolf Lucky Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:52 PM (#6132384)

Elly De La Cruz disrupts everything. Pitchers are already afraid to throw strikes so they walk him. Looking at 3-3 game in 8th. He draws a walk goes to 2B on what should have been a force out but he was running on play. Moves to 3B on a ball many woild not try to advance. Infield in, hot shot right at SS. Hurries the throw and Elly scores easily. A perfect throw would have been bang bang.

Reds lead 4-3.

Having watched him, I wouldn't bring infield in on him unless it was a walk off situation. You've got about a 95% chance of him scoring or a big inning happening or both.

He's a force

You probably saw this on Friday night, but Elly broke statcast on a Baltimore chop:

Exit velocity: 98 mpg
Launch angle: -40 degrees
Hit distance: 3 feet
Total height off bounce, as estimated by me: 12 feet
Chance of Paul DeJong throwing him out: 0%

Watch

368. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:54 PM (#6132385)

Hard to believe Tim Foli had a natural cycle. Did he even have any other 4 hit games? He was a terrible hitter with no punch

Hardball times considers Foli's cycle to be the 4th most unlikely cycle in history.

369. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:55 PM (#6132386)

De La Cruz made an out, it only took 5 plate appearances.

370. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:56 PM (#6132387)

On the SB question, the 3 guys with 2 streaks of 35+ were Raines, Lopes and -- surprise to me -- Rollins. And for anybody who doesn't know, Stan Javier's father was Julian Javier, the Cards' 2B for the 60s. If memory serves, he choked up nearly as much as Felix Millan.

#344 -- I want to guess Jose Cruz Jr for the last one but I can't imagine he got close to half his father's WAR. But he did look like a pretty good player there for a while.

EDIT: looks like Cruz Jr is wrong ... maybe GMjr?

371. cardsfanboy

Posted: June 11, 2023 at 04:57 PM (#6132388)

We just need to jettison DeJong, he's ruining the lineup, and has become the official rally killer over the past month.

372. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:09 PM (#6132389)

370. GM Jr it is - well done

373. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:10 PM (#6132390)

Oakland breaks it open for an 8-3 lead which will make 5 in a row. How many teams have a 5 game win streak this year ?

What was NY Mets best win streak in 1962?

374. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:13 PM (#6132391)

Ha Seong Kim with about 10 bWAR and half that in fWAR. What accounts for that ?

375. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:13 PM (#6132392)

Giants' backup SS Casey Schmitt having a bad day. Charged with two errors on one play and failed to touch the bag on a force play later. Cubs 2 Giants 2.

I think it was unfair to tag him with two errors on the play in question. Likely DP grounder but he booted it to lose the force at second. But he still had time to get the guy at first but sailed the throw badly putting runners on 2nd and 3rd. But since you can't assume the DP and an accurate throw still gets the batter (IMO), I think only the throw should have been counted as an error.

376. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:23 PM (#6132393)

It's a safe bet that Cabrera, Cruz and Votto are gone next year which leaves Freeman, Cutch, Andrus! and Altuve as the active hits leaders. I assume Longoria is also done but maybe he can hang on long enough to get to 2000 hits.

It will be a while before we see anyone approaching 3000. Freeman may make a run. Altuve and then maybe Machado/Harper.

Andrus needs to find a place he can play everyday and then not suck but I suspect he's basically done.

377. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:25 PM (#6132394)

Milwaukee has a chance to tie here !

378. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:28 PM (#6132395)

8-6 and runners on 1st and 3rd

379. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:29 PM (#6132396)

Ha Seong Kim with about 10 bWAR and half that in fWAR. What accounts for that ?

Math. :-)

I'll start with a nitpick -- it's 10.1 bWAR vs 5.8 fWAR so more a 4-win difference than 5. Usually it's the difference between DRS and whatever defensive measure fg is using these days (is it still UZR or have they switched to statcast?) DRS loves Kim, giving him +46 Rfield. So his oWAR (position-adjusted offense only) is 5.2 vs a total WAR of 10.1. FG likes his defense too but just +12 runs so that's about 3-3.5 of the wins. The rest is minor differences in batting, running, positional, league adjustments that add up to about one win. (I've never understood why those differences exist -- they're usually not different enough to matter but it's far more than rounding errors, etc.)

380. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:30 PM (#6132397)

Oakland holds on!

381. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:38 PM (#6132398)

Does MLB have its own WAR "official" definition? I hate that the WARs can be so different. That just undermines the whole process if you can have these kind of differences. Do any two baseball people objectively think there is that much variation to Kim's valuation?

382. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:42 PM (#6132400)

So the Giants apparently still use the occasional opener and today's opener was the same as yesterday's so the first time the Cubs have faced the same "starting pitcher" on consecutive days since 1963, oddly enough also the Giants. Jack Sanford started, gave up 4 hits and 3 runs to 4 batters and got pulled (the Cubs eventually won 12-11 in extras). For some reason the Giants decided "sure he sucked but he didn't throw many pitches" and started him again, this time going 4.2 and giving up 5 runs but the Giants won 9-5. (Hey, Lou Brock started in RF for the Cubs.)

Anyway, 1963 seems not that long ago for "same starter on consecutive days." I know we have had a few of these in the opener era but I would guess that even some of the first expansion teams have never had it happen to them or by them. There might even be some original AL teams that have never had it happen. Maybe there have been enough freaky "guy threw an inning, rain came and washed it out, so he started the next game." And of course Wilbur Wood's both ends of a double-header (1973,Yankees were the opponent).

383. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2023 at 05:45 PM (#6132401)

#381 ... MLB has an official WAR now as it plays a part in determining the "bonus class" for pre-arb players. Per this it's based on some combination of multiple WARs.

EDIT: To my knowledge, it's not "official" as in published anywhere. Even the linked article doesn't say how much "joint WAR" the top bonus players accumulate. I think MLB just releases a ranked list of bonuses.

384. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2023 at 06:18 PM (#6132407)

Not a trivia question per se just a question asking for trivial knowledge ...

Duane Kuiper (famously?) hit his only career HR off of Steve Stone. I assume this is the most obscure or least eventful example where both the pitcher and batter involved in a HR (or other highlight/milestone) are widely known ... and how many other such cases are there. (Note, obviously they are all in the official record, I mean examples where it would be widely known among baseball fans)

Downing-Aaron
Lidge-Pujols
Trachsel-McGwire
Welch-Reggie

I think I remember who gave up Ozzie Smith's big postseason HR. I think I remember who gave up the Shot Heard Around the World but am blank on others before my timek (Maris' 61st for example). I can't think of who gave up anybody's 3000th hit or was the victim of a 3000th strikeout. I should remember who gave up Ernie's 500th but I don't.

385. Hombre Brotani

Posted: June 11, 2023 at 06:20 PM (#6132408)

I think I remember who gave up Ozzie Smith's big postseason HR.

Tom Niedenfuer. Had to look up the spelling, but if you were in L.A. at the time, you knew his name forever.

I think I remember who gave up the Shot Heard Around the World

Ralph Branca. You should know that one.

386. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2023 at 06:20 PM (#6132409)

And the Estrada-Estrad matchup results in an Estrada HR. Giants 9 Cubs 3

387. JJ1986 Posted: June 11, 2023 at 06:30 PM (#6132411)

Donnie Moore and Dave Henderson, unfortunately.

388. person man Posted: June 11, 2023 at 06:32 PM (#6132412)

tracy stallard gave up Maris's 61st

389. Hombre Brotani

Posted: June 11, 2023 at 06:35 PM (#6132413)

Kirk Gibson off Dennis Eckersley.
Bill Mazeroski off Bill Terry.

390. Walt Davis Posted: June 11, 2023 at 06:57 PM (#6132415)

#385 ... then I was right on both. I was pretty sure on Niedenfuer but even then relievers were pretty anonymous.

Gibson-Eck for sure. I don't think I ever could have told you who gave up Maz's HR. I certainly remember Moore-Henderson but I wonder how well it lives on among younger fans.

391. Booey Posted: June 11, 2023 at 08:15 PM (#6132419)

Joe Carter off Mitch Williams was a pretty famous one

392. Booey Posted: June 11, 2023 at 08:18 PM (#6132420)

I don't remember however who gave up Bonds 71st or 756th, Judge's 62nd, or the Carlton Fisk, Bucky Dent, and Chris Chambliss homeruns.

393. Mr. Hotfoot Jackson (gef, talking mongoose) Posted: June 11, 2023 at 09:04 PM (#6132422)

Mike Torrez gave up the Dent homer.

I think Rawly Eastwick for Fisk?

Along with Aaron off Downing & Gibson off Eckersley, those two are the only ones from above I saw on TV as they happened.

(Not listed, but I also saw Reggie Jackson's utterly mammoth HR off Dock Ellis in the '71 All Star Game.)

Never would've guessed the name of the guy who surrendered Rick Camp's 18th-inning roundtripper.

394. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 09:33 PM (#6132424)

I thought Nidenfuer gave up the famous HR to Jack Clark

395. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 09:45 PM (#6132425)

On the natural cycle :

1932: Tony Lazzeri
1939: was in fact Charley Gehringer
1943: no one has guessed yet but it wasn't Johnny Pesky
1963: Jim Hickman
1964: Ken Boyer
1966: Walt should be able to get this now
1976: amazingly, Tim Foli
1979: Long time Astro, short time Redsock, Bob Watson
1996 John Mabry
2000. Jose Valentin
2002 Brad Wilkerson
2006 Gary Marhews Jr

So two more to go. One obscure name and one Hall of Famer

396. salvomania Posted: June 11, 2023 at 09:48 PM (#6132426)

Both Ozzie Smith and Jack Clark off of Tom Niedenfuer in back-to-back NLCS games.

Ozzie's was the "Go crazy, folks!" walk-off game-winner in NLCS Game 5, Clark's 9th-inning shot in Game 6 turned a 5-4 deficit into a 7-5 Cardinal lead, and gave the Cardinals the NL pennant.

397. salvomania Posted: June 11, 2023 at 09:53 PM (#6132427)

1943--Bobby Doerr?
1966--Billy Williams?

398. The Duke Posted: June 11, 2023 at 10:42 PM (#6132428)

Billy Williams is correct

399. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 12, 2023 at 01:13 AM (#6132431)

389: Thats Ralph Terry. Bill Terry is of course the NYG 1b and HoF'er.

400. The Duke Posted: June 12, 2023 at 02:00 PM (#6132475)

Can Tampa Bat cool off the surging As?

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