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Monday, June 06, 2022

OMNICHATTER for Monday, June 6, 2022

Scoreboards for the Major Leagues and all minor leagues,
courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

Hombre Brotani Posted: June 06, 2022 at 05:28 AM | 60 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 10:37 AM (#6080134)
Anyone around for a trivia question?

Been a while since I've done one of these - been working on other projects. But I'm back to semi-actively working on my starting pitcher rankings (which have been explained in some detail in the Dugout previously; they're a modified version of the rankings Bill James publishes, basically a rolling weighted average of environment-adjusted Game Score), and since box score data is now available back to 1901, I decided to work through the old-timers before taking on the '90s and '00s. (Basically, I want to see the full careers of the guys that Clemens/Maddux/Unit/Pedro are chasing for the top spots.)

So, for 1902-09 (the rankings aren't stable enough in 1901 to consider them "official" yet), in-season days at #1:

646.
179.
167.
139.
112.
81.
64.
37.
36.
4.
2.
1.
   2. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 10:56 AM (#6080135)
i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that cy young is on that list
   3. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:01 AM (#6080139)
646. Cy Young
179.
167.
139.
112.
81.
64.
37.
36.
4.
2.
1.

You're not wrong! Young is the only reason I feel comfortable counting days at #1 starting in 1902 rather than 1903; it usually takes things at least two years to settle in, but Young was SO GOOD in 1901 (and one of the best pitchers in the league before that as well) that his lead throughout the 1902 season wouldn't be challenged regardless of how far back the data goes. He ends up also finishing as year-end #1 in '03, '04, and '07; if you give him credit for 1901 as well, that ties him for the most year-end #1 finishes I've seen so far (with "so far" being a significant caveat, of course).
   4. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:08 AM (#6080142)
so, i don't know how hard to go with the beginning of the decade - but, seeing a lack of other early responses, let's add big 6 from the back end.

waddell could spend some time on the list, he's peak heavy.
um, some cubs... three finger?
mcginnity. chesboro had that big year, he could pop up.
   5. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:14 AM (#6080143)
646. Cy Young
179. Mordecai Brown
167. Rube Waddell
139. Christy Mathewson
112.
81.
64. Joe McGinnity
37. Jack Chesbro
36.
4.
2.
1.
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:14 AM (#6080144)
Ed Walsh, Addie Joss.
   7. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:22 AM (#6080149)
Mathewson's low total surprised me - it's respectable enough, but the pitchers in that area for their careers are along the lines of Camilo Pascual, Stan Coveleski and Frank Tanana. Matty is, however, currently (through 1913, and then 1918-90) the all-time leader in days spent at #2 in the rankings. His lone year-end #1 for this decade is 1905.

Waddell is third all-time in days at #1 without ever having been an end-of-season #1, trailing Gaylord Perry and Ferguson Jenkins. His best chance for a year-end spot was 1903; he was #1 in late August, and then got suspended by Connie Mack for the rest of the season for flaking too often. Which sounds totally reasonable until you realize that it was August 25 and he already had 38 starts, which ended up being good for second in the league at the end of the season. How much more was he supposed to pitch, exactly?

Brown is year-end #1 in 1906 and '09. '06 is a bit of a fluke; it's the worst year-end #1 score anyone had all decade. Brown happened to have a very good year at the same time as Young and Mathewson were having bad ones.
   8. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:25 AM (#6080150)
646. Cy Young
179. Mordecai Brown
167. Rube Waddell
139. Christy Mathewson
112. Ed Walsh
81. Addie Joss
64. Joe McGinnity
37. Jack Chesbro
36.
4.
2.
1.

Walsh is year-end #1 in 1908; Mathewson had, if memory serves, the highest-ever score by a year-end #2 that season.

I think Joss is kind of weirdly underrated in sabermetric circles because he's in the Hall of Fame - mostly he just comes up on lists of people who shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. Which is probably true, but he was very good at his peak.
   9. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:30 AM (#6080151)
when i was a kid, a friend of mine ran a small historical sim league ... we made no effort to correct for era (except for defense - and this was pre-understanding fip type stuff). my team was a bunch of 1890s dudes who hit like .420, pitchers like addie joss or ferdie schupp, and stadiums with 50 foot high walls. it worked great.

ooh - time for someone to get one wrong.
eddie plank! vic willis!
   10. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:38 AM (#6080154)
646. Cy Young
179. Mordecai Brown
167. Rube Waddell
139. Christy Mathewson
112. Ed Walsh
81. Addie Joss
64. Joe McGinnity
37. Jack Chesbro
36. Eddie Plank
4.
2.
1.

Plank surprised me - I was all ready to have him on the list of "best pitchers who were never #1". But the aforementioned comparatively weak 1906 season gave him an opening, and he took it.

Vic Willis got as high as #2 in the early part of the decade (though that's before the rankings are entirely reliable, and Willis's 1900 is nothing special). Cy Young was too good for him to push past.
   11. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:44 AM (#6080156)
yeah, i figured young would probably block him but when you're talking (what's now) 1 to 4 days in first, it could be all sorts of people.

overall? reulbach?
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question: what's the most interesting decade in baseball history? what's the least? (2020s are excluded here)
   12. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:52 AM (#6080157)
Overall for this decade peaks at #3 (he actually ends the decade in that spot); Reulbach gets no higher than #6. Both excellent pitchers, but man is the field loaded in the 19-aughts.
   13. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 12:00 PM (#6080161)
question: what's the most interesting decade in baseball history? what's the least? (2020s are excluded here)

"Interesting" is of course a subjective term; with that caveat in mind, I'm almost inclined to pick something like the 1880s or 1890s, when the game was still being refined to resemble its modern form, and upheaved almost annually in the process. The product on the field was something of a mess, though.
   14. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 12:08 PM (#6080165)
i figure "interesting" is better than another subjective term "best", which gets into things like quality of play (in which most recent is better) and morality (integration, for one). but, yeah, the 1880s and 1890s for me - unruly, developing, not total madness, not not madness. (nods at the king kelly print on my wall)

the 1910s are maybe the least interesting, federal league aside.
   15. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 12:10 PM (#6080166)
(nods at the king kelly print on my wall)

"Kelly now catching for Boston!" might be my favorite baseball anecdote.
   16. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 12:18 PM (#6080168)
For least-interesting, I think the '50s have an argument? It obviously depends on how much you consider great position players, which the '50s had in spades. But beyond that, there's not much going on; the 20 pennants were split between less than half of the teams (and if you pare it down to '51 through '58, only 5 teams won pennants), the style of play was pretty universal, and there was a paucity of great pitchers (Robin Roberts dominates the first half of the decade, and Warren Spahn is steadily very good but almost never great; the third best pitcher of the decade is... Billy Pierce, I guess?). Off the field, you have the progression of integration (and the pushback against it from some teams), and the first franchise relocations in half a century if you're into that.
   17. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 12:26 PM (#6080169)
Eric - i think you're thinking the same way i do here ... integration and how teams chose to pursue / avoid it and relocations are what make it interesting for me. absent that, i might have said the 50s as the game on the field started to get really stale (as Bill James wrote about in his abstracts).
the other thing that helped the 50s for me, i guess, was that i could more easily find mini bios on the rank and file back in the day in a way i couldn't for prior decades (shout out to aaron to zuverink).
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 12:54 PM (#6080179)
Yeah, from that perspective, the 1910s have the Federal League, a bunch of new parks, the early part of Ruth's emergence, and... game fixing?

If not for the Negro Leagues, the '30s might be an option; you get early farm systems and the beginning of night baseball and not much else in MLB that I can think of.

In terms of significant historical shifts, the 2010s actually look pretty barren - you get a bit of playoff expansion, some movement in style of play (which largely continues pre-existing trends, such as K/HR increases and de-emphasizing starting pitching), and what else, exactly?
   19. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 06, 2022 at 01:06 PM (#6080182)
Thinking about the 20th century only, I'd go with the 1910's and the 1980's as the most interesting because of the number of teams that were competitive. From 1914 through 1919 six of the eight NL teams got into the World Series, and from 1981 through 1986 every AL East team but the Indians made it at least into the ALCS.

For least-interesting, I think the '50s have an argument? It obviously depends on how much you consider great position players, which the '50s had in spades. But beyond that, there's not much going on; the 20 pennants were split between less than half of the teams (and if you pare it down to '51 through '58, only 5 teams won pennants), the style of play was pretty universal, and there was a paucity of great pitchers (Robin Roberts dominates the first half of the decade, and Warren Spahn is steadily very good but almost never great; the third best pitcher of the decade is... Billy Pierce, I guess?). Off the field, you have the progression of integration (and the pushback against it from some teams), and the first franchise relocations in half a century if you're into that.

For the least interesting, I could almost quote Eric word for word in agreement, and I say that as a Yankees fan who started following them in 1952. Attendance plummeted, historic cities were deserted, ballparks were decaying, the league disparity by the end of the decade was at its all time high, stolen bases were at an all time low, and aside from Williams, Mantle and Berra** the entire American League was devoid of inner circle Hall of Famers. About the only saving grace was that ticket prices for good seats were dirt cheap, and if you weren't sitting behind a pole you were usually close to the action, even in the upper deck.

** And technically, Satchel Paige at the end of his career.
   20. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 01:31 PM (#6080190)
Hints for the remaining pitchers on the list...

4: All 4 days in 1907. Probably the toughest one to guess; he wasn't even the best pitcher on his own mediocre team during this decade.
2: Both days in 1903. Probably the best pitcher on a good team, albeit one better known for its hitters.
1: In early 1904. I suspect he's the most famous pitcher on the list, and the reason he's moderately famous helped him get to the top, however briefly.
   21. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 02:08 PM (#6080200)
kid nichols for 1904?
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30s - yeah, the negro leagues are having to do a lot here but are capable of doing so
2010s - not a great decade, no
   22. The Duke Posted: June 06, 2022 at 02:13 PM (#6080202)
Is this everyone's understanding of the "two-way" player rule ? In other words, you can't just designate a position player as a two-way player - they have to qualify first ?

To be a two-way player, the person had to have pitched 20 innings in either of the two previous seasons AND started at least 20 games at a position or DH in either of the last two seasons, with at least 3 plate appearances in at least 20 games during that time.
   23. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 02:17 PM (#6080203)
kid nichols for 1904?

Nichols had been out of the league for 2 years before 1904 (pitching in the minors, but obviously I don't have game logs for those leagues); he was back in MLB and effective in '04, but had way too much ground to make up on Young/Chesbro/Waddell etc. (I assume he was #1 for a good chunk of the 1890s.)
   24. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 06, 2022 at 02:31 PM (#6080215)
Deacon Phillippe?
   25. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 02:55 PM (#6080227)
Phillippe is close, both in that he got as high as #3 on multiple occasions, and in that he shares his biggest claim to fame with the 1-day pitcher.
   26. Walt Davis Posted: June 06, 2022 at 03:37 PM (#6080242)
#22 ... That was my understanding yes. I mean I had no idea what the cutoffs were but that to designate a "2-way player" they had to actually be a 2-way player.
   27. Addie Joss Posted: June 06, 2022 at 05:09 PM (#6080259)
Glad to see I'm on the list!
   28. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 05:15 PM (#6080260)
Glad to see I'm on the list!

Indeed! You spent about a third of 1907 at #1, along with smaller bits of '06 and '08.
   29. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 05:22 PM (#6080265)
Phillippe is close, both in that he got as high as #3 on multiple occasions, and in that he shares his biggest claim to fame with the 1-day pitcher.

1st thought - this dude is also reese weatherspoon's kid?
2nd: another person in the giant pit/lve trade (which already includes rube and chesboro ... and honus wagner. and fred clarke. and...)?
   30. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: June 06, 2022 at 05:24 PM (#6080266)
sam leever? bill dinneen?
   31. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 05:38 PM (#6080274)
646. Cy Young
179. Mordecai Brown
167. Rube Waddell
139. Christy Mathewson
112. Ed Walsh
81. Addie Joss
64. Joe McGinnity
37. Jack Chesbro
36. Eddie Plank
4.
2.
1. Bill Dinneen

My meaning on Phillippe and Dinneen's shared claim to fame is that both of them won three games in the first World Series. Dinneen's day at #1 was 4/22/1904; he passed Young by 0.1 points that day, and was passed by McGinnity by the same margin the next day.

Leever grades out as the least-impressive member of the absurd rotation of the 1900 Pirates - by which I mean he spent parts of several years in the top 20 but didn't make the top 10 in any season I have on record. Still an excellent career, just not quite the equal of Waddell or Chesbro or Phillippe or Jesse Tannehill.
   32. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: June 06, 2022 at 06:00 PM (#6080282)
Saw the Rockies yesterday. Are those new logo and uniforms (the ones with mountains on them) or was that a one day thing?
   33. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2022 at 08:38 PM (#6080308)
MLB Network has a new segment called "In Front Of The Cam," with Cameron Maybin.

hosts asks how many teams he played for.

"10. Or 11..... 10 or 11," Maybin replied, amusingly.
let's see:

Tigers 2007
Marlins 2008-10
Padres 2011-14
Braves 2015
Tigers 2016 (again)
Angels 2017
Astros 2017
Marlins 2018 (again)
Mariners 2018
Yankees 2019
Tigers 2020 (a third time)
Cubs 2020
Mets 2021

Maybin was 0 for 27 for the Mets, finally got a hit - and then was released and I guess it's over.

Traded 7 times - including for a young Miguel Cabrera.
Selected Off Waivers, Granted Free Agency, Released, Purchased numerous times.

clever concept - there must be Hall of Famers who have had fewer teammates.

so he compares a guy he played with to a current guy - like Carlos Quentin and Ty France for instance.

   34. salvomania Posted: June 06, 2022 at 08:45 PM (#6080310)
Hunter Greene having another excellent start---he's been a roller coaster in 2022!

Six innings, one hit, 8 Ks, zero walks. For a guy who sometimes has command issues that's a great line.
'
Only at 82 pitches, so he probably comes out for the 7th. Reds up 4-0 over the DBacks.

   35. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2022 at 08:55 PM (#6080313)
Brandon Drury with his 10th HR for the Reds - in 170 AB.

sure, he hit 16, 13, 15 HR in 2016/2017/2019 - but always in over 400 AB.

61 career HR in 1757 AB.

can't believe he won't turn 30 til August. he plays everywhere but P, C, and CF.
   36. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 06, 2022 at 08:56 PM (#6080314)
Edwin Jackson laughs at Cameron Maybin's club hopping career.

TBR (3 yrs)
LAD (3 yrs)
CHC (3 yrs)
WSN (2 yrs)
DET (2 yrs)
CHW (2 yrs)
ARI (1 yr)
ATL (1 yr)
STL (1 yr)
OAK (1 yr)
SDP (1 yr)
BAL (1 yr)
MIA (1 yr)
TOR (1 yr)

But even Jackson only played for 47% of all possible MLB teams. When there were 16 teams, Bobo Newsom played for 56%.
WSH (8 yrs)
PHA (5 yrs)
SLB (5 yrs)
BRO (4 yrs)
DET (3 yrs)
NYG (1 yr)
BOS (1 yr)
CHC (1 yr)
NYY (1 yr)
   37. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 06, 2022 at 09:10 PM (#6080317)
All right, probably time to call it on the trivia question:

646. Cy Young
179. Mordecai Brown
167. Rube Waddell
139. Christy Mathewson
112. Ed Walsh
81. Addie Joss
64. Joe McGinnity
37. Jack Chesbro
36. Eddie Plank
4. Bob Ewing
2. Wild Bill Donovan
1. Bill Dinneen

I had genuinely never heard of Ewing before this project; he's definitely not the only pitcher to make it to #1 without me having prior knowledge of him, but I wasn't expecting one in this period, with Young-Mathewson-Brown-Walsh around. (Very good pitcher, though; he reached the top spot in 1907, at the end of a 3-year stretch totalling 18 WAR.)
   38. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 06, 2022 at 09:17 PM (#6080318)
Was a checking out Diamondbacks @ Reds, until better games started, and the umpires were a little slow to call on the grounds crew amidst the rain with two outs in the bottom of the 7th. Then a monsoon hit, and there was so much water on the tarp as they rolled it out that it couldn’t be pulled completely into position, leaving some of the SS-3B & home plate areas uncovered. May not matter much as far as the result, it’s 7-0 Reds, but you don’t see that many tarp fiascos at the MLB level.
   39. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 06, 2022 at 09:33 PM (#6080320)
Be consoled. When canvas tarps were the rule, you'd sometimes see teams with 20 or more games each year postponed due to rain or "wet grounds", which meant that the grounds crew couldn't get the tarps out quickly, and even when they got them out the rain would eventually seep through. Lightweight water resistant tarps are one of the great unsung baseball advances over the past 60 or 70 years.
   40. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2022 at 09:55 PM (#6080322)
you don’t see that many tarp fiascos at the MLB level.

Vince Coleman has entered the room.
   41. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 06, 2022 at 09:55 PM (#6080323)
Milestone Alert: Mike Trout got a 1st inning single, ending his 0-for-26 streak.
   42. Howie Menckel Posted: June 06, 2022 at 10:15 PM (#6080326)
Mets coax 43 pitches out of short-timer starter Ian Snell in the first inning, lead 3-0.

looks like Megill and his ERA of 1.93 in April before a couple of (injury-related?) poor starts in early May will come off the IL to start in Anaheim this weekend.

these are supposed to be the worst of times for the Mets, but they salvaged a split with the mighty Dodgers and tonight have Cookie Carrasco - 5-0 in his last 6 starts.
   43. Walt Davis Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:29 PM (#6080335)
If the Padres get out of this inning without giving up 15 runs, it will be a miracle.
   44. Walt Davis Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:31 PM (#6080336)
Scratch that, Mets give back 14 runs in one play.
   45. Walt Davis Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:42 PM (#6080337)
Still one to show your LLers either as a "don't play baseball this way" or a "even big leaguers screw up" clip.

Starts with Alonso hitting a one-hopper right at Machado, the ball in his glove before Alonso's finished swinging. So Manny dogs it, gives it a weak sidearm flip towards 1B. He seems to have forgotten that 3B is a bit further away than the mound is and the throw is woefully off-target and 10-15 feet short. Given Alonso is still 10 steps away (no fault of his), Hosmer hopes to snag the throw and still get his foot back on the bag but mis-times it and the ball goes skipping past. Alonso stays at 1B probably because he was doubled over laughing.

So then the next pitch squirts away from Alfaro, rolls only maybe 10 feet behind him but he doesn't know where it is. I don't know if Alonso could have made it but he was probably still laughing. This is followed by a single that the Padres LF seems to take longer than Steve Trachsel between pitches to get to, allowing Alonso to 3B and a woeful throw to 2B.

Then ... JD Davis hits a flyball. Throw goes home, gets cut off and Canha is so hung up between 2nd and 3rd that he doesn't even try. Meanwhile Alonso belly flops across the plate.
   46. The Duke Posted: June 06, 2022 at 11:59 PM (#6080338)
Wacha in reach of a complete game tonight - such a rare event they ought "breaking news" it on MLB.com. He's at 97 pitches through 8 - hope they leave him in.
   47. salvomania Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:14 AM (#6080339)
Man, I did not think Wacha was ever going to be a quality MLB starter again.

I gave him up for dead in 2019.
   48. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:14 AM (#6080340)
The Angels were 11 games over .500 at one point. Now, 1 game under, and the losing streak reaches 12.
   49. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:15 AM (#6080341)
It's a good thing that literally everything in the world is the worst, so this losing only makes me marginally more miserable than I already am.
   50. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:17 AM (#6080342)
Wacha with the complete game shutout, 3 hitter. Needed it too as the Sox only got 1 off the Angels staff. I think the Sox lead the league in these now with 3 or 4 CGs.
   51. Banta Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:34 AM (#6080344)
Escobar 2 run homer to put the score in this Mets game to finally match what I’ve been feeling all night. Padres just seem dead today.

If Escobar can start to produce at his career averages, the Mets lineup is fairly loaded, even with the catchers doing their best to emulate pitchers still batting.
   52. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:36 AM (#6080345)
sleepwalking Escobar now 8 for 19 with his 2nd HR of the road trip - and off a righty, no less - and it's 7-2 Mets.

Mets I believe have the oldest MLB roster which of course is a double-edged sword. but they did well in cooler climes and by now almost all that arthritis is becoming irrelevant in the warmer temps.

Thor vs Mets this weekend in Anaheim should be good. I think he's still popular with his ex-teammates but this team has had a lot of turnover so most don't care.

Mets off Thurs and Mon, which gets them that much closer without games to deGrom/Scherzer Palooza around mid-July....
   53. Banta Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:41 AM (#6080346)
Howie, is it bad of me to be mentally treating deGrom as a bonus? Between last year and the somewhat nebulous nature of his injury, I’m trying to keep my expectations very low. As long as Scherzer comes back and the Mets can eventually sort out who their top four bullpen guys truly are, I think they can be a dangerous team without Jake. And if he does come back firing… maybe this could be like a reverse 2006 when they were so good but lost too many pitchers by the end.
   54. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:46 AM (#6080347)
Banta,
deGrom's injury was a weird one imo.

he didn't have structural damage - but he needed a LOT of rest for the arm.

he has done all of that, and is now throwing off a mound.

and he has shown up at Citi Field of late in a very good mood. and he's not the type to fake it. his personality fascinates me, frankly.

I would say I can't remember a Mets pitcher who understood his golden arm so well - but then, so does Scherzer.

I would not be shocked to see deGrom make his first start a few days ahead of Scherzer's next one.

have no idea, but would speculate that you were too young to remember 1986?
I even got 1969 as an 8-year-old, so much more of my self-immolation tendencies are as sarcastic as much completely as being completely in that (almost literal) vein.
   55. salvomania Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:52 AM (#6080349)
Luke Voit 3-run homer, Pads creep back to wihtin 7-5, still batting in the 8th...
   56. Banta Posted: June 07, 2022 at 12:53 AM (#6080350)
That all sounds good to me about deGrom, maybe I’ll try on the optimism hat for awhile. Indeed, I was alive in ‘86 but not old enough to follow baseball. So I only know sweet, delicious pain. I am also a Bills and Sabres fan, if that gives you any idea of my sports psychology.

Getting some failures here tonight in identifying those top four bullpen arms… on the plus side, I guess we’re gonna justify Buck not pitching Diaz two innings yesterday.
   57. Howie Menckel Posted: June 07, 2022 at 01:06 AM (#6080353)
Buck can do no wrong, a la Hodges in 1969 and Davey Johnson in 1986.

Mets booth just noted that in the past 50 years - this was a tangent off Mets OF Canha being comfortable in a 2-strike count unlike most batters - the top 2 hitters in AVG in that spot in turn out to be ... wait for it, wait for it....

Tony Gwynn and Wade Boggs.

but what got the booth truly excited, partly being in San Diego, is that Gwynn hit .302 in those spots.
runnerup Boggs, seemingly a similar wizard with the bat, places second at..... .262.

great stat

oh, and then Canha - in an unaware homage - worked the count from 0-2 to 3-2 and then hit a ground ball single up the middle.

and ooh, Bills and Sabres, that's rough.

my first sports memories are Namath winning the Super Bowl, then the Mets winning the World Series, then the Knicks winning the NBA title. none of the franchises had ever won before.

enough to make a youngster into a life-long cockeyed optimist, I'll admit.....

and now Escobar is the first Met to hit for the cycle in a decade (Scott Hairston). first one was Jim Hickman - an original Met - in 1963. Hickman is scheduled to be on hand for this summer's first Mets Old-Timer's Day in years (when new owner Cohen crowd-sourced what Mets fans wanted most, that was it).

60 Mets representing 60 years. I think White Frank Thomas gets the first one and then Hickman gets his cycle year.
   58. Banta Posted: June 07, 2022 at 01:12 AM (#6080354)
Lol Escobar cycle. This season is something else! Could shake all those self-immolation feelings away.

I do want to add I feel I’ve gotten a lot less pessimistic as a sports fan as I’ve gotten older. I’m skeptical about deGrom but I’m feeling this season. I think I’ve learned to appreciate any success and when my team is good, to just enjoy whatever I can get. Like the Bills loss against the Chiefs this year, I was actually totally fine with it. I considered it an honor to be in such a game because god knows there’s plenty of time when your team just sucks. So I’m just excited to see the Mets look genuinely good with a deep lineup for a change.

A no hitter, a cycle, and multiple awesome comebacks don’t hurt either!
   59. Banta Posted: June 07, 2022 at 01:36 AM (#6080356)
So that game raised Escobar’s OPS by about 50 points and I believe that makes every regular in the Mets lineup now has an OPS+ above 100 with the exception of catcher. But hey, Nido is batting .261! Sure, it’s the emptiest .261 you’ll ever see, his OBP AND slugging are both under .300, that’s almost impressive in itself.
   60. salvomania Posted: June 07, 2022 at 10:06 AM (#6080370)
By bWAR, this is already Wacha's second-best MLB season (2.0), behind his All-Star season of 2015 (3.0, in 181 ip). He's only had one season since then with as many as 140 ip.

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