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Omnichatter for September 2023

One month to go. Atlanta and LA are the only teams that have (essentially) wrapped up their divisions, each with a magic number of 16.

The AL Wild Cards right now would be Tampa Bay, Houston, and Texas. Toronto (2.5 games back) and Boston (6.5) are the only conceivable threats.

In the NL, the Phillies, Cubs, and Giants lead a trio of teams for the Wild Card—DBacks (1 game back), Reds (1.5), and Marlins (3). Count the Brewers in that mix since they lead the Central by 3 games and would have to fall pretty far to lose the division and miss the playoffs

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201. The Duke Posted: September 10, 2023 at 04:01 PM (#6140950)

So thank you for the Edman stuff. I don't really feel like he's lost anything more in speed than one year of age would suggest. He still rates highly on speed by savant.

I wonder whether the team being down 3-0 after every first inning impacted the runners trying to take the extra base. And of course the shifting rules may have had some impact on him. Maybe playing on the dirt really hurt him from a range perspective.

It seems like he got hit by some weird perfect storm. It's odd. He's in his prime

202. NaOH Posted: September 10, 2023 at 04:07 PM (#6140951)

Heading into extra innings in the Bronx. With the automatic runner on 2B, the Yanks have a chance to get no-hit and win. If they play their offensive ineptitude right.

203. Howie Menckel Posted: September 10, 2023 at 04:48 PM (#6140953)

four 10-inning no-hitters, but none longer (the Harvey Haddix family and I disagree, but whatever).

NYY risked the first 11-inning no-no, but got a hit to tie it.
1st and 2nd, 2 out, of course MIL walks Judge to load the bases - this is strictly a 1-man lineup, and there's the groundout to extend the game.

204. bestergonomicgamingchair.com Posted: September 10, 2023 at 06:38 PM (#6140957)

I imagine this will get it's own Newsblog topic, but The Martian has a torn UCL and is done for the year (and most of 2024).

205. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 10, 2023 at 06:49 PM (#6140958)

The Martian has a torn UCL

Phew, thankfully it wasn't the common cold as we know that would have serious consequences for any martian.

Jokes aside, this is a total bummer. Even if he's plying his trade for the dark side, I think most of us just really enjoy seeing young, dynamic players just light up MLB. Guys like Acuna, Rodriguez, Carrol, Elly, and pretty much the entire Orioles team, etc are just fun to watch.

206. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 10, 2023 at 06:50 PM (#6140959)

Jasson Dominguez, the Yankees recent CF call-up who has 4 HR & a .980 OPS in his first 33 PA, is done for the season with a torn UCL,
which will need Tommy John surgery. That’s typically 9 or 10 months for a position player, and coming back early to DH is complicated by Stanton’s limited outfield prowess. Looks like the Yanks may have to explore free agent CF options, perhaps signing someone who could slide over to LF when Dominguez is ready. Not good news.

EDIT: I see others addressed the topic while I was processing my grief. Martian cokes for all.

207. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 10, 2023 at 07:20 PM (#6140963)

Kyle Tucker hit 2 triples today....in the same inning.

That seems insanely rare but I have no idea how to look that up? Anyone?

208. NaOH Posted: September 10, 2023 at 07:32 PM (#6140965)

That seems insanely rare but I have no idea how to look that up? Anyone?

This generic article has kind of contradictory info:

Tucker became the first Houston player over the past 50 seasons to triple twice in an inning, getting hits off Tim Hill and Rich Hill. He's only the second player in the expansion era (since 1961) with two triples in an inning, joining Colorado's Cory Sullivan, who did so in the top of the fifth on April 9, 2006, at San Diego.

209. The Duke Posted: September 10, 2023 at 07:45 PM (#6140966)

Well it's most certainly the only time someone has gotten two triples off two pitchers with the same last name (but different first) in one inning. - so he definitely sewn up that Guinness record

210. Walt Davis Posted: September 10, 2023 at 07:49 PM (#6140967)

Possibly they meant Tucker is only the second Astro to triple twice in one game in the last 50 years?

This Wiki entry on Cory Sullivan says he was the 11th to ever do it and the first since 1951 and the first in the NL since 1926.

EDIT: And just noticing that both Sullivan and Tucker did it against the Padres.

211. NaOH Posted: September 10, 2023 at 08:21 PM (#6140969)

Baseball Almanac has the complete list of two triples in an inning:

Joe Hornung, Boston Braves, May 06, 1882

Heinie Peitz, St. Louis Cardinals, July, 02, 1895

Frank Shugart, Louisville, July 30, 1895

Buck Freeman, Boston Braves, July 25, 1900

Bill Dahlen, Brooklyn, August 30, 1900

Gavvy Cravath, Philadelphia, June 22, 1912

Curt Walker, Cincinnati, July 22, 1926

Al Zarilla, St. Louis Browns, July 13, 1946

Gil Coan, Washington, April 21, 1951

Cory Sullivan, Colorado, April 09, 2006

212. JJ1986 Posted: September 10, 2023 at 08:21 PM (#6140970)

edit: too late

213. Howie Menckel Posted: September 10, 2023 at 08:25 PM (#6140971)

KeBryan Hayes
@KeBryanHayes
·
3h
Some umpires really don’t care. 3-1 call not even close. I hold him accountable after the game walking off the field and his response is “

214. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: September 10, 2023 at 08:31 PM (#6140972)

I’ve been busy and haven’t lurked for a few days but Johan Rojas for the Phils looks great in the field. He made a couple of over-eager errors, IMO, but instincts look very good and man can he close on a ball. He hasn’t been helpless at the plate but needs seasoning. He may develop some power but he’s got to cut down on his swing and is a terrible bunter.

215. NaOH Posted: September 10, 2023 at 08:32 PM (#6140973)

This Wiki entry on Cory Sullivan says he was the 11th to ever do it and the first since 1951 and the first in the NL since 1926.

Wikipedia is usually pretty good linking citations. They didn't in this case, but they may as well have been linking this wire services cursory overview of all the day's action when Sullivan had his two-triple game. 2006 doesn't feel like all that long ago, but so many names mentioned are clear blasts from the past. Bonds was at 508 HR, Brad Penny bested Jon Lieber, and Dusty Baker got his 1,100th managerial win. After today he's at 2,175.

216. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 10, 2023 at 08:44 PM (#6140975)

Thank you posts 208-211.

So rarer then the unassisted triple play or perfect game, and similar in frequency to the 2 salami game. Which, for some reason, it really helps if you play for either Boston or the Orioles to pull it off(7 players out of a total of 13 from those 2 teams alone)

217. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 10, 2023 at 09:06 PM (#6140978)

I notice Mookie, Ronald and Schwarbird will each probably end up with over 100 rbi....batting leadoff. IIRC, a huge deal was made out of Tommy Herr getting over 100 rbi batting leadoff(I'm a misremembering?). How many times has that been done? Have we ever seen 3 guys pull it off in the same season?

218. Tony S Posted: September 10, 2023 at 09:15 PM (#6140979)

I think the deal with Tommy Herr was that he got 100 RBI's with fewer than 10 homers. Happened in the Cardinals' 1985 pennant-winning season -- 8 HR, 110 RBI.

He was batting behind Vince Coleman (.320 OBP) and Willie McGee (.384 OBP).

219. The Duke Posted: September 10, 2023 at 09:27 PM (#6140980)

Joey Votto hit a HR on his 40th birthday

Also homering on their 40th birthday

apparently Bob Thurman, Joe Morgan, Darrell Evans, Wade Boggs, Tony Phillips, Jim Thome, Chipper Jones and Alex Rodriguez

That seems like a lot of people homering on their 40th b-day. How many people even get to play on their 40th?

220. Walt Davis Posted: September 10, 2023 at 09:28 PM (#6140981)

Unless it was done last year, I would guess that those three would be the first NLers to do it. The DH obviously helps a lot in creating RBI opps for leadoff guys. With 38, 35 and 42 HRs respectively, I suspect those are the 3 highest leadoff man HR totals the NL or AL has ever seen.

That said I can't think of anybody who's done it. Downing had seasons of 91 and 95 but I'm too lazy to check if he hit leadoff those years.

221. The Duke Posted: September 10, 2023 at 09:29 PM (#6140983)

I wonder if Dahlen makes the Hall if people knew he had hit two triples in the same inning.

222. Walt Davis Posted: September 10, 2023 at 09:58 PM (#6140984)

Schwarber has batted with 360 runners on while b-r says an average guy with his PAs would have had 382 ... small difference. Despite Atlanta's top-to-bottom awesome offense, Acuna has had just 302 runners on while an average batter would have had 396, that's a lot of missed RBI opps. Mookie is at 304/368 which is also a lot.

223. Booey Posted: September 10, 2023 at 10:28 PM (#6140986)

Y'all are forgetting Brady Anderson's 50 homers and 110 rbi batting leadoff in 1996? For shame!

224. Booey Posted: September 10, 2023 at 10:35 PM (#6140987)

Darin Erstad had 100 rbi batting leadoff for the 2000 Angels (.355 avg, 25 HR, 240 hits)

225. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 10, 2023 at 10:46 PM (#6140988)

Booey, yep, I'd forgot both of those.

226. NaOH Posted: September 10, 2023 at 10:54 PM (#6140989)

The record for RBI from the leadoff spot is Blackmon in 2017 with 103.

227. Howie Menckel Posted: September 10, 2023 at 11:54 PM (#6140990)

all it took for Blackmon (1 RBI NOT in the leadoff spot) was:
159 G
213 H led league
725 PA led league
37 HR
35 2B
14 3B led league
.331 AVG led league
137 R led league
387 TB led league
1.000 OPS
141 OPS+

and all of it at CF

only other great hitter on that team was Arenado

96 non-pitcher team OPS+

228. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 12:06 AM (#6140991)

Mookie has 2 PA nd 0 RBI outside the #1 spot so it looks like he'll cruise past Blackmon. (I assume that claim is correct.) Acuna has 0 PA not at #1. Almost 1/3 of Schwarber's PAs and 27 of his 93 RBI come from outside #1. His leadoff slash line must the the oddest of all-time: 205/348/503 ... oddly, in that first PA, he hits 247. But the other times when he leads off the inning, he's 14 for 110!

In 1996, Brady had about 200 PA at #2 with 15 HR and 41 RBI coming outside #1. I certainly didn't remember Erstad ever having 100 RBI much less what his regular lineup position was that year. But indeed all 100 of his RBI came at #1. Now checking, Blackmon indeed had 103 at #1 (plus one outside).

Bobby Bonds had 77 in 1970 and 83 in 1973. Downing's highest was 78 in 1982. Rickey's career high was 74 in 1986.

EDIT: Even in his crazy 22-HR season, Campaneris only managed 63 RBI.

229. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 12:12 AM (#6140992)

I don't have the sub to do it but most RBI at each batting order spot would be a nice time-consuming trivia list for us.

230. NaOH Posted: September 11, 2023 at 12:41 AM (#6140994)

#1: Blackmon, 103 RBI
#2;: 114 RBI (two players)
#3: 168
#4: 191
#5: 169
#6: 110 (two players)
#7: 111
#8 :89
#9: 92

Small clue: Blackmon is the only one accomplished this century.

231. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 11, 2023 at 01:52 AM (#6140996)

#4 is gotta be Wilson right? That's the record for ribbies?

232. Booey Posted: September 11, 2023 at 01:58 AM (#6140997)

#3 - Ruth
#4 - Hack Wilson

Edit: coke to Hugh. Yes, that's the obvious one since it's the single season ribbie record

233. Booey Posted: September 11, 2023 at 02:06 AM (#6140998)

Pretty sure #5 is Jimmie Foxx in 1932 (his 58 homer season). IIRC, my old Stratematic cards for the early 30's A's had Mickey Cochrane batting 3rd and Al Simmons hitting cleanup.

234. Booey Posted: September 11, 2023 at 02:15 AM (#6140999)

#2 - I'm gonna go with young ARod in his Seattle days. I remember he batted 2nd because the M's had Griffey hitting 3rd, Edgar 4th, and Buhner 5th.

235. Booey Posted: September 11, 2023 at 02:45 AM (#6141000)

Gotta be some late 90's Rockies on the list. Maybe 1996 Ellis Burks as the other guy in #2 and 1996 or 1997 Vinny Castilla as the #6 guy?

236. Snowboy Posted: September 11, 2023 at 05:16 AM (#6141001)

I'm guessing Manny Ramirez, who was regularly #7 for the powerhouse 1995 Indians.

But (looking it up now!) I am wrong. He was, yes, the most regular #7 hitter for Indians in 1995, but "only" had 107 RBI, not 111.
And looking deeper into his player profile, Manny at #7 had 71G/52RBI, but also at #6 had 46G/45RBI, and 10RBI in other lineup spots.

This is gonna be tough, if the above criteria stays true and the guy can never move to another spot in the lineup.

237. Snowboy Posted: September 11, 2023 at 05:29 AM (#6141002)

I was thinking of another guy on a good team, John Olerud on the 1993 Blue Jays. That lineup was pretty much written in the SkyDome concrete as Devon White, Robbie Alomar, Paul Molitor, Joe Carter, and John Olerud (then some rotation of Tony Fernandez, Ed Sprague, Pat Borders, and somebody, usually in that order.) Even after the Jays acquired Rickey Henderson (which bumped Devo down to #2, and Robbie to #6) Johnny O was still #5.

Looking it up, Olerud was the #5 batter for 144 games. But of course looking at the second criteria ("the record") he was no where near it, Olerud played for a good offensive team at mostly one lineup spot and had 107 RBI. He also won the Batting Title, led the league in Doubles, and has been determined to have lead the league in OPS+ that year. But no one in 1993, not even him, was near 169RBI.

And now I see Booey has guessed #5 in lineup was Jimmie Foxx in 1932 with 169. That sounds correct for both total, year, and lineup position, so I'm gonna stop guessing now and hang up to listen to responses from people smarter than I while going back to lurking.

238. Born1951 Posted: September 11, 2023 at 10:44 AM (#6141013)

The Royals have an unbelievably bad record of 10-43 in games decided by 2 or 3 runs, a .189 percentage. The only worse one I could find was 6-28 .176 by 1902 Baltimore.

239. NaOH Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:43 AM (#6141015)

Booey doing well.

#1: Blackmon, 103 RBI
#2: A-Rod and ________, 114 RBI
#3: Babe Ruth, 168
#4: Hack Wilson, 191
#5: Jimmie Foxx, 169
#6: 110 (two players)
#7: 111
#8 :89
#9: 92

240. Booey Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:48 AM (#6141016)

#236 - Yeah, finding players who stayed in that specific lineup spot all or most of the year certainly makes this question more difficult (not that that's a bad thing!).

My guesses of Burks and Castilla for the #2 and #6 spots are wrong for that reason. In 1996, Burks had 128 rbi but it looks like he only batted 2nd for half the season. Castilla is closer, with 113 rbi batting mostly 6th in both 1996 and 1997, but in 1996 he actually had 123 games/88 rbi hitting 6th and 37 games/25 rbi batting elsewhere. In 1997 it was 141 games/101 rbi batting 6th and 18 games/12 rbi at other spots.

241. Booey Posted: September 11, 2023 at 12:33 PM (#6141018)

I was thinking that Scott Brosius and his 98 rbi's batting at the end of the 1998 Yankees lineup might be in that #8 or #9 spot, but it looks like splitting time between the 7-9 spots ruined it. He had 11 rbi hitting 7th, 56 hitting 8th, and 31 hitting 9th.

242. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: September 11, 2023 at 01:32 PM (#6141021)

Tony Lazzeri at the #6 spot?

243. NaOH Posted: September 11, 2023 at 01:51 PM (#6141024)

Yes on Lazzeri.

#1: Blackmon, 103 RBI
#2: _______ and A-Rod, 114
#3: Babe Ruth, 168
#4: Hack Wilson, 191
#5: Jimmie Foxx, 169
#6: _______ and Lazzeri, 110
#7: 111
#8: 89
#9: 92

244. The Duke Posted: September 11, 2023 at 03:25 PM (#6141030)

How about a Driessen or George foster or Ken Griffey from the big red machine

There were some Braves teams with some big boppers Dusty baker, Rico carty Darrel evans

245. The Duke Posted: September 11, 2023 at 03:30 PM (#6141031)

Wow, looked them up - nowhere close

246. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 03:50 PM (#6141035)

I think Morgan was usually in the #3 spot in his super years but he might have batted 2nd in his early Reds years ... probably didn't drive in 114 in those years though. It could always be somebody like Charlie Gehringer. Hmmm ... how about Clemente?

That's 3 guess for one slot, very lazy.

#9 is obviously from the DH era (and 20th c) so at least it's only 27 (28?) seasons to cover. I can't imagine Jim Gantner ever got close to 92 RBI. I have this vague memory that there was pretty big name rookie who batted 9th all year on a stacked team because his team wanted to keep the pressure off.

EDIT: very wrong on all counts except Morgan did have 3 years batting mostly second (nowhere near 114 RBI)

247. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 04:27 PM (#6141040)

It took a while of thinking about powerhouse lineups and a bit of cheating but #9 is Kevin Elster for the 1996 Rangers.

248. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 05:18 PM (#6141048)

Jeepers! So long ago now ... these are not answers but Cle 96 started the season with Thome and Manny batting 7th and the 99 team started with Sexson batting 8th.

249. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 06:42 PM (#6141059)

It's official! It's PCA Day, soon to be an annual public holiday in Chicago.

A couple of other Cub transactions. Alexander Canario optioned back out after his 1 PA; Adbert put on the 15-day IL; Anthony Kay DFA'd. Fulmer and Brad Boxberger (forgot about him) activated off the ILs.

250. NaOH Posted: September 11, 2023 at 07:24 PM (#6141061)

#1: Blackmon, 103 RBI
#2: _______ and A-Rod, 114
#3: Babe Ruth, 168
#4: Hack Wilson, 191
#5: Jimmie Foxx, 169
#6: _______ and Lazzeri, 110
#7: 111
#8: 89
#9: Kevin Elster, 92

251. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 08:36 PM (#6141072)

Rangers 3 Jays 2 b5 -- Kiermier with a leadoff double, Springer single. Questionable decision by 3B coacn or Kiermaier (I'm not sure he was stopping no matter the signal), throw home, called out, review lets the call stand (50/50 call IMO, none of the replays great). Springer did move to second. The send there would be automatic with 1 or 2 outs so I understand it with zero, took a solid throw and excellent play from the C to make it close, but don't ake the first out at home. So still 3-2 after 5.

Big game for both teams with Tor up 1 on Sea and 1.5 on Tex for the last two WC spots. But soon I will abandon it for the Cubs-Rox.

252. Howie Menckel Posted: September 11, 2023 at 08:58 PM (#6141076)

Kris Bryant returns for the Rockies after another 7-week IL stint with a broken finger on his throwing hand, batting cleanup and is playing 1B tonight.

24th career start at 1B, and none in 2022-23 - what could go wrong?

253. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 09:11 PM (#6141079)

One thing for sure about Bryant, he doesn't care where he plays ... and he generally gets to at least average there. 7 gaes into his MLB career, Maddon gave him a start in CF. He didn't give him a start at 1B until Sept. In his handful of games over there, he always looked fine to me.

254. Howie Menckel Posted: September 11, 2023 at 10:39 PM (#6141085)

poor Jets, as Aaron Rodgers lasted only 2 minutes tonight before being carted off.

best-case scenario seems to be ankle, out 3-4 weeks.

I remember all of these championships in the NY/NJ market (not that I rooted for all of them, and calendar year of the final victory):
1969 Jets
1969 Mets

1970 Knicks
1973 Knicks
1974 Nets
1976 Nets
1977 Yankees
1978 Yankees

1980 Islanders
1981 Islanders
1982 Islanders
1983 Islanders
1986 Mets
1987 Giants

1991 Giants
1994 Rangers
1995 Devils
1996 Yankees
1998 Yankees
1999 Yankees

2000 Devils
2000 Yankees
2003 Devils
2008 Giants
2009 Yankees

2012 Giants

basically nobody younger than me and my age cohorts remembers all 26 of them - and if you're under age 18, you likely don't recall any of them !

1969-2009, it was a good run

timing - it's all about the timing, and ok a little luck
:)

the Jets' last title (their only Super Bowl trip) is closer to the end of World War I in 1918 than to today.

255. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:29 PM (#6141091)

In one of the least auspicious first career PAs of all-time, Pete Crow-Armstrong successfully sac bunts. (Yes, much better than unsuccessfully sac bunting and much better than poor ol' Adam Greenberg.)

Surely there's a Happy Days episode where Richie tries to grow some facial hair to embarrassing but hilarious effect. That's what Pete Crow-Armstrong looks like.

256. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:30 PM (#6141092)

Wait, what ... Drew Smyly starts the 9th? OK, getting pulled now after a K but don't scare me like that Rossie!

257. Take a Dictation from Zonk Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:33 PM (#6141093)

Wait, what ... Drew Smyly starts the 9th? OK, getting pulled now after a K but don't scare me like that Rossie!

Alzolay hit the DL before the game (didn't realize he was hurt; missed the weekend).

Not entirely sure who I'd want to use if AA wasn't available. I suppose Fullmer.

EDIT: Well, maybe not Fullmer since he very much looks like a guy who hasn't pitched in 2 weeks.

258. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:36 PM (#6141094)

Hey, Atlanta, you don't really need Raisel Iglesias for the next three weeks, do you think the Cubs can borrow him? We'll give him right back when the season ends, honest!

259. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:39 PM (#6141095)

#257 ... I know (#249) but ... Smyly? Merryweather did pitch yesterday. And I don't know who I'd use either but ... Smyly? What's Joe Borowski up to?

260. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:40 PM (#6141097)

Glorious Victory! I never doubted it for a second.

261. NaOH Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:42 PM (#6141098)

Italics for the ones no one guessed. I've added the years for everyone.

#1: Blackmon 2017, 103 RBI
#2: Eddie Mathews 1959 and A-Rod 1998, 114
#3: Babe Ruth 1921, 168
#4: Hack Wilson 1930, 191
#5: Jimmie Foxx 1932, 169
#6: Glen Wright 1925 and Lazzeri 1926, 110
#7: Ken Keltner 1938, 111
#8: Babe Dahlgren 1939, 89
#9: Kevin Elster 1996, 92

262. Howie Menckel Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:50 PM (#6141099)

JETS WIN IN OT !
ANOTHER MIRACLE IN THE MEADOWLANDS !

and now coach says "Achilles" re Rodgers, and "season-ending" has entered the chat

may be joined by "career-ending" tomorrow

Jets fans just can't have nice things....

263. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2023 at 11:54 PM (#6141100)

Huh? I was assuming the #8 record was DH era too ... why pitch to a guy with 80+ RBI with the pitcher on-deck? That 1939 Yanks team did score 967 runs and outscored the opposition by over 400 so I suppose the game was already over by the time Dahlgren came to the plate. A 1B with a 76 OPS+, he was the most likely out other than the pitcher.

Great to see Mathews in the #2 spot back in 1959. Avant garde. Mostly Bill Bruton #1 but he shared it with lots of folks, Aaron third, Covington mostly at #4 in the first half then mostly Adcock in the second half.

EDIT: And holding the #7 record totally changes the outcome of the Keltner list for Keltner, put him in! :-)

264. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2023 at 12:08 AM (#6141101)

1938 was Keltner's rookie season. he had a 103 OPS+

teammates included Jeff Heath 145, HOFer Earl Averill 142, Hal Trosky 138....

wait, that's about all I got

Bruce Campbell 106
Frankie Pytlak 95
Odell Hale 86
Lyn Lary 84

best backups
Rollie Hemsley 96
John Kroner 92
Roy Weatherly 84
Skeeter Webb 72
Moose Solters 26

no other batter other than those 13 had more than 13 AB

manager was Ossie Vitt, born in 1890

Tigers and Red Sox 3B (a little 2B), 1912-21

poor hitter, but loved to bunt - once had 43 sac bunts to lead AL

first manager was HOFer and HOMer Hughie Jennings, who debuted in 1869

265. NaOH Posted: September 12, 2023 at 12:28 AM (#6141104)

Huh? I was assuming the #8 record was DH era too ... why pitch to a guy with 80+ RBI with the pitcher on-deck? That 1939 Yanks team did score 967 runs and outscored the opposition by over 400 so I suppose the game was already over by the time Dahlgren came to the plate. A 1B with a 76 OPS+, he was the most likely out other than the pitcher.

Of course the key number in 1939 would be batting average. The team hit .287, but when opponents reached the bottom of that NY lineup they'd typically face

#8 Dahlgren at .230
#9 NY Pitchers at .242
#1 Crosetti at .234

266. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2023 at 01:40 AM (#6141105)

reminds me of NYY giving teams a fighting chance by giving toothless Bobby Richardson 648+ PA a year in the leadoff spot in his last 6 seasons of 1961-66.

:)

like Koufax, he retired after 1966 at age 30.

reason given was his religious calling.

I believe it - but consecutive seasons of "Omar The Outmaker contending" and placing 1-1-2-1-1-5 might tire a fellow out, what with all those trips to the dugout and all

267. Booey Posted: September 12, 2023 at 01:46 AM (#6141106)

Italics for the ones no one guessed. I've added the years for everyone.

You missed one. I updated it. ;-)

#1: Charlie Blackmon 2017 and Mookie Betts 2023, 103 RBI
#2: Eddie Mathews 1959 and A-Rod 1998, 114
#3: Babe Ruth 1921, 168
#4: Hack Wilson 1930, 191
#5: Jimmie Foxx 1932, 169
#6: Glen Wright 1925 and Lazzeri 1926, 110
#7: Ken Keltner 1938, 111
#8: Babe Dahlgren 1939, 89
#9: Kevin Elster 1996, 92

Possibly as early as tomorrow, Blackmon will be off the list entirely.

268. Booey Posted: September 12, 2023 at 02:03 AM (#6141107)

Julio Rodriguez joins the 30/30 club.

Matt Olson joins the 50 homer club.

And Ronald Acuna tops 100 combined homeruns/stolen bases, which is a list consisting mainly of no power speedsters.

Most homers in the hallowed 100 HR/SB club that I just made up (modern/post 1900 era):

36/65 - Ronald Acuna Jr, 2023
28/87 - Rickey Henderson, 1986
27/80 - Eric Davis, 1986
24/80 - Rickey Henderson, 1985
11/90 - Tim Raines, 1983
10/130 - Rickey Henderson, 1982
9/100 - Rickey Henderson, 1980
9/108 - Rickey Henderson, 1983
6/104 - Maury Wills, 1962
4/97 - Ron LeFlore, 1980
3/118 - Lou Brock, 1974
3/109 - Vince Coleman, 1987
1/110 - Vince Coleman, 1985
0/107 - Vince Coleman, 1986

269. The Duke Posted: September 12, 2023 at 07:32 AM (#6141110)

Fangraphs had an article listing the six guys who are still on track for playing 162 games. If you haven't read it any guesses?

There were only two last year (both from the same team ). Guesses?

From 2010 to 2018 Alcides Escobar ran off seasons of

145
158
155
158
162
148
162
162
140

And one of the guys on the list has a streak of 438 games !

270. Tony S Posted: September 12, 2023 at 08:46 AM (#6141113)

Maybe the Jets should look elsewhere than Green Bay if they want to import old drama-queen quarterbacks. It didn't quite work out the other time, either. :)

The Astros again followed an Exile on Main Street performance with a Goat's Head Soup.

But the Orioles overcame a shaky Manbun start with 11 runs, despite Mount Fuji almost erupting in the ninth.

271. villageidiom Posted: September 12, 2023 at 02:37 PM (#6141138)

Pivetta with 9 Ks through 4 IP in the makeup of last night's game.

272. villageidiom Posted: September 12, 2023 at 02:48 PM (#6141140)

10 Ks through 5 IP.

273. villageidiom Posted: September 12, 2023 at 03:20 PM (#6141143)

and then after that: a HBP, a single, a double, a flyout, a single, a walk, and a shower.

274. Walt Davis Posted: September 12, 2023 at 03:58 PM (#6141151)

#269 ... I think Albies is one. Maybe Acuna too. At the moment, just 137 qualified batters. Luis Arraez has dropped all the way to 349, an outside chance that Seager could pass him, 12 points back. Freeman 335 and Acuna 334 in a battle -- the winner gets the 1975 NL MVP. (I kid, I kid, Matt Olson has that wrapped up.)

EDIT: Oops, it wasn't Albies I noticed the other day, it was another Brave.

275. Walt Davis Posted: September 12, 2023 at 04:12 PM (#6141156)

At season's start, the Cubs decided Eric Hosmer was more deserving of a roster spot than, among others, Christopher Morel. Morel finally got his call-up on May 9. His 22 HRs are second to Bellinger's 25 and his 66 RBI are third to Bellinger (89) and Swanson (73), all in just 365 PA.

Last year his average EV was 87.9, 40% HH, 49% GBs ... this year the EV is 91.8, HH% is 52 and the GB% is down to 42. I assume he retooled the swing over the offseason. He still strikes out 32% of the time but at last he walks at a league average rate. He had been in a massive slump until a week ago but hopefully is heating up at the right time.

276. JJ1986 Posted: September 12, 2023 at 06:21 PM (#6141171)

#269

Freeman is one. I believe Acuna, Riley and Olson are 3 of them. Marcus Semien. Maybe Nick Castellanos, he plays a lot.

I'll guess Olson and Riley did it last year.

277. Tony S Posted: September 12, 2023 at 06:45 PM (#6141174)

Got the Orioles game on.

I don't know how this is in other markets, but I find these medication commercials with people dancing and singing about colon cancer and diabetes to be next-level gross.

278. Tony S Posted: September 12, 2023 at 07:07 PM (#6141176)

John Means making his season debut for the Orioles tonight. Gave up a solo shot to Goldschmidt in the first. Pitched OK in the second but the Cards scored another run on three dinks and a sac fly. 2-0 Cardinals.

279. Booey Posted: September 12, 2023 at 07:49 PM (#6141180)

Luis Arraez has dropped all the way to 349, an outside chance that Seager could pass him, 12 points back. Freeman 335 and Acuna 334 in a battle

Arraez ending up lasting 72 personal games played and 78 team games still at .400 or above for the final time, the longest .400 run (at the end of a days games) in 23 years, and the 9th longest overall run since Teddy's 1941.

Most personal/team games played in a season post 1941, still at .400 or above (final avg in parenthesis). All seasons over 60 personal games played (I still prefer personal games rather than team games):

1) 105/107 - John Olerud 1993 (.363)
2) 104/148 - George Brett 1980 (.390)
3) 92/96 - Larry Walker 1997 (.366)
4) 87/92 - Tony Gwynn 1997 (.372)
5) 81/85 - Rod Carew 1977 (.388)
6) 76/76 - Stan Musial 1948 (.376)
7) 75/91 - Nomar Garciaparra 2000 (.372)
8) 74/74 - Tommy Holmes 1945 (.352)
9) 72/78 - Luis Arraez 2023 (???)
10) 71/78 - Tony Fernandez 1999 (.328)
11) 66/71 - Rod Carew 1974 (.364)
--) 66/73 - Chipper Jones 2008 (.364)
13) 64/84 - Rod Carew 1983 (.339)
--) 64/81 - Andres Galarraga 1993 (.370)

Obviously .400 ain't gonna happen (I highly doubt any of us really thought it would), but I'm hoping he can at least get his avg back over .350 by years end, a milestone we haven't seen in a full season in 13 years (Josh Hamilton in 2010 was the last).

280. Walt Davis Posted: September 12, 2023 at 08:03 PM (#6141181)

Since his last game finishing above 400, he has hit 294. He was still above 380 after the gamme on Aug 1; since then he has hit 257. I'd also love to see him finish 350+ but he seems more likely to challenge Carew ad maybe Fernandez for the lowest season BAs on that list. If he hits his career average for the rest of the year, he should end up around 347.

281. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2023 at 08:26 PM (#6141182)

Former Mets C Ron Hodges (74 years young) interviewed at CitiField on SNY tonight.

12 years a Met - 1973-84, and never caught a majority of the team's games.

only two times he reached 200 PA were at age 34 (305) and age 33 (276).

career OPS+ of 88, which is ok for a starting C and really good for a backup C, I assume.

a 1-team, 12-year career and never a regular. probably not a lot of those around.....

282. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 12, 2023 at 08:28 PM (#6141183)

So Acuna and Olson are just going to homer in every other game until the end of the year. They've each had 5 homers in their last 7 games...and that's not counting the one they have already hit today.

Also, Charlie Blackmon will most likely sit 4th on the most RBI for a lead off hitter by the end of this season.

283. Tony S Posted: September 12, 2023 at 08:32 PM (#6141184)

Richie Palacios hits his second homer of the night, third of the season. Cards up on the Os 4-2 in the seventh.

Astros already down 3-0 to the mighty A's.

Not shaping up to be my night.

284. Snowboy Posted: September 12, 2023 at 08:35 PM (#6141185)

Max Scherzer exits the game after throwing a strike, 0-1 count on the batter in the sixth, nobody on, comes up with a grimace.
Can't continue. Suddenly can't complete his windup to even throw a practice pitch.
3-0 Texas.

285. Tony S Posted: September 12, 2023 at 09:12 PM (#6141195)

If the Cardinals hold off the Orioles in the ninth, Wainwright gets to party like it's 199.

And they do.

286. The Duke Posted: September 12, 2023 at 09:23 PM (#6141196)

199

287. The Duke Posted: September 12, 2023 at 09:26 PM (#6141197)

Semien, Olsen, Acuna, Freeman are four and Juan Soto is the 5th

And then we have Eugenio Suarez as 6th.

Freeman also has an amazing run of playing almost every game for the past 7-8 years

A lot easier to make the HOF if you play a lot

288. The Duke Posted: September 12, 2023 at 10:25 PM (#6141201)

Rich Hill waived. If another team that he's never played on picks him up that could be his 14th

289. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2023 at 10:55 PM (#6141205)

Jordan Lyles is 4-16 for the Royals, but he has pitched 5 innings and his team has a 9-1 lead so make it 5-16.

just kidding.

White Sox 6th:
1B
WP
2B
1B
2B
2B
1B

Lyles departs with a 9-5 lead and two runners aboard.
rando RP quickly waves them home and it's 9-7 but Lyles still leads.
wait, rando RP allows 2 more runs and it's 9-9 and no W for you, Sparky!

Touki Touissant allows 8 ER in 1 IP in his start and snags a ND - nice work if you can get it

they're still playing but who cares

290. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 12, 2023 at 11:38 PM (#6141207)

The Yankees sweep the Red Sox in today’s day/night doubleheader, leaving the teams tied for 4th place in the AL East. Not greatly significant, but 4th is better than the cellar. 2 more games in the series, and 17 in the season.

291. Booey Posted: September 13, 2023 at 12:28 AM (#6141208)

Freeman also has an amazing run of playing almost every game for the past 7-8 years

A lot easier to make the HOF if you play a lot

Ditto with Goldschmidt, Arenado, and Machado. Durability was crucial for turning non inner circle HOF hopefuls like these into what has to be considered near locks at this point.

Goldy needs to play 10 more games this season for his 9th consecutive 150+ game season (prorating the COVID season).

Arenado had 155+ games in 6 of 7 seasons from 2015 to 2021 before "slumping" to 148 last year (and he's at 138/145 this season).

Machado looks like he's "only" going to finish at 140-ish games played this season, breaking a streak of 8 straight years of 150+ (again, prorating the COVID season where he was 60/60).

292. Howie Menckel Posted: September 13, 2023 at 01:08 AM (#6141210)

Soto "only" played in 151 and 153 games the past two seasons (and 150 in 2019).

he said on the broadcast tonight that he remains determined to play all 162 this season, despite a few dents on his fenders of late (I'm paraphrasing).

Soto turns a quarter-century old on Christmas Day.

so far 154 HR, 463 RBI, 510 R, .938 OPS - I'm saying there's a chance.

293. Booey Posted: September 13, 2023 at 01:21 AM (#6141211)

Acuna looks like 40/70 is a very real possibility...

And I haven't seen any mention of Trea Turner lately, but he's hit 11 homers in his last 13 games, turning what looked like a wasted season into a potential 30/30 campaign. Also, what's the record for most stolen bases without getting caught in a season? Turner is at 27-0.

294. NaOH Posted: September 13, 2023 at 01:31 AM (#6141212)

Also, what's the record for most stolen bases without getting caught in a season? Turner is at 27-0.

Going one season without getting caught? That's Utley with 23 in 2009. The only others with 20 or more are

20 Paul Molitor, 1994
21 Kevin McReynolds, 1988
21 Quinten Berry, 2012
22 Alcides Escobar, 2013

295. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 13, 2023 at 09:33 AM (#6141222)

Rich Hill waived.

I noted in another thread that there were four active players in their age-40 season, and now we are down to three. Two of those, Miggy and Wainwright, are playing for what we might call non-performance reasons, so that leaves Justin Verlander as the only legit player in his age-40 season.

On the other hand, two other guys have turned 40 after the mid-season cutoff: Joey Votto and the immortal Jesse Chavez.

296. Tony S Posted: September 13, 2023 at 09:38 AM (#6141223)

that leaves Justin Verlander as the only legit player in his age-40 season.

And he just got lit up by a 99-loss team.

297. Booey Posted: September 13, 2023 at 11:08 AM (#6141227)

Josh Donaldson has only 18 hits on the year, but 11 of them are homers. Also just 15 runs and 17 rbi on those 11 homers. Is that weird? It feels weird.

298. Walt Davis Posted: September 13, 2023 at 04:06 PM (#6141251)

We Cub fans see a mention of Trea Turner almost every game. Seiya Suzuki has the 3rd-highest SLG since Aug 1 at just over 700. #2 is Mookie and #1 is Turner. Turner since Aug 1: 358/402/755 with 16 HR in 164 PA.

Seiya in Sept: 412/444/804 ... that's useful but clearly he and Turner need to walk more. :-)

299. The Duke Posted: September 13, 2023 at 05:21 PM (#6141255)

The cardinals have called up a guy named Juniel Querecuto. His last major league game was in 2016. He'll likely make an appearance tonight in baltimore.

The cardinals are also starting Drew (CD-) Rom tonight who they acquired from Orioles. His last start was in his hometown Cincinnati and he had over 500 friends and family attend. Who has 500 friends and family? That's a lot isn't it ?

300. Howie Menckel Posted: September 13, 2023 at 05:27 PM (#6141256)

I assume ESPN's book-length report today on A-Rod once having been a snitch for the feds will gain its own thread soon enough.

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