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OMNICHATTER for the week of August 15-22, 2022

Scoreboards for the Major Leagues and all minor leagues,
courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

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   101. cardsfanboy Posted: August 18, 2022 at 05:05 PM (#6092186)
With Ventura gone, there is only one other unlikely left, everyone else should be easy enough.
   102. cardsfanboy Posted: August 18, 2022 at 05:06 PM (#6092187)
1. (25) Arod
2. (23) Gehrig
3. (21) Manny
4. (19) Murray
5a.(18) McCovey
5b.(18)*Ventura
7a.(17) Foxx
7b.(17)
7c.(17)@
10a.(16)
10b.(16)
10c.(16)
10d.(16) Albert Pujols

Current
29. (12)
65. (10) (more or less his career is over)
88. (9)
   103. Walt Davis Posted: August 18, 2022 at 05:12 PM (#6092188)
Kimbrel converted his first 1-run save of the season. Before tonight he was 0/4 in save opportunities entering with a 1 run lead

In fairness, two of those were extra innings so the tying run was partially Manfred's fault. But he lost one of those games so in theory he would have blown the save on his own.

Sosa is a weird one on the grand slam front. The young Sosa was historically awful with the bases loaded. Through 1997, he was 10-68 with no HR and 27 Ks. From 1998-2007 he went 40-98 with 9 HR and just 22 K. In 2001 he went 10-15 with 5 XBH, 2BBs and 2 SFs. Steroids really are a miracle drug, they even keep you from tensing up with the bases loaded.
   104. Walt Davis Posted: August 18, 2022 at 05:13 PM (#6092189)
If they're so obvious then presumably most of Aaron, Mays, Mac, Reggie, Ott are up there. I think Banks had a fair number but not sure he cracks this list.
   105. cardsfanboy Posted: August 18, 2022 at 05:27 PM (#6092192)
10a.(16) Aaron

Mays 8 gs
McGwire 14(17th)
Reggie 11 gs
Ott 7
Banks 12 (29th)
   106. Sleepy wants to be a Special Master Posted: August 18, 2022 at 06:35 PM (#6092196)
Yeah one of the 17-gs hitters should be easily guessable, but I don’t think anyone will guess the other one.
   107. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 18, 2022 at 06:58 PM (#6092197)
Astros put 21 runs on the board against the White Sox on 25 hits.

21 runs is reasonably rare, but I'm thinking 25 hits is even more rare or maybe I'm just misremembering.

Anyone know how to look up number of times 21+ runs were scored and/or 25+ hits in a game?
Vazquez, Bregman and Tucker each with 4 hits. Again, not often you see a game in which 3 guy each with 4 hits or more.
Also had 5 guys with 3 hits or more.
I see the White Sox chucked Harrison on the bump and he got tagged for 6 hits and 4 runs in his lone inning....
   108. Dillon Gee Escape Plan Posted: August 18, 2022 at 07:32 PM (#6092204)
Astros put 21 runs on the board against the White Sox on 25 hits.

21 runs is reasonably rare, but I'm thinking 25 hits is even more rare or maybe I'm just misremembering.

Anyone know how to look up number of times 21+ runs were scored and/or 25+ hits in a game?
Vazquez, Bregman and Tucker each with 4 hits. Again, not often you see a game in which 3 guy each with 4 hits or more.
Also had 5 guys with 3 hits or more.
I see the White Sox chucked Harrison on the bump and he got tagged for 6 hits and 4 runs in his lone inning....


The Jays only had one player with 4+ hits in their 28-5 win over the Red Sox, but they had seven players with 3+ hits. 29 hits.

The Red Sox did have three players with 4+ hits in the 25-8 win over the Marlins in 2003 (Damon, Walker, Mueller; Ortiz, Millar and Nixon also each had 3 hits). Sox had 28 hits. Damon was a home run away from the cycle in the first inning.

Rangers had 29 hits in their 30-3 win over the O's in 2007. David Murphy, Saltalamacchia and Ramon Vazquez had 4+ hit games; Catalanatto, Kinsler and Botts also had 3 hit games.
   109. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 18, 2022 at 08:21 PM (#6092205)
Red Sox at .500 and so close to finally going over the mountain of mediocrity....but oh so close, but not quite, down 4-0 to the lowly Pirates today.

The 2022 Boston Red Sox; you're very definition of average.
   110. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 18, 2022 at 08:44 PM (#6092206)
Here's a real speculator of a question.

If Pujols stays in St. Louis throughout his entire career are his 30's better/much better/ or the same as when he went to LA?

I know there is absolutely no way to prove anything here, but I've got this feeling he would've been a little better off staying where he was....
   111. SoSH U at work Posted: August 18, 2022 at 08:55 PM (#6092208)
5b.(18)*Ventura


Is the asterisk for the walk-off GS turned single? If he had circled the bases, he'd still be at 18.
   112. salvomania Posted: August 18, 2022 at 09:01 PM (#6092210)
DeGrom losing it, his ERA is over 2.00
   113. frannyzoo Posted: August 18, 2022 at 09:03 PM (#6092211)
If you missed the Cohen/Hernandez riff on Mitch Miller v. Lawrence Welk (and I'm hoping fewer did because ESPN+ has the game "for free"), it's another reminder than their (Ron very much included) banter is so good and so tied to a demographic that probably has a photo of somebody who looks very much like me in its "style guide." But I gotta think they're considered great in the booth by pretty much everybody, not only my demographic.

Oh, and there's deGrom. Makes for a nice telecast (to use the dated parlance).
   114. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 18, 2022 at 10:03 PM (#6092218)
Yankees....Surely, that’s all they’ll need to right the ship.


Eh, not so much. NY getting smoked by Jays 9-2 today.

could be worse, you could be a Red Sox fan. They got thrashed by the Pirates to fall back below .500...
   115. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 18, 2022 at 10:44 PM (#6092224)
Dodgers TV field reporter breaks his arm, injures ribs going down Bernies Slide. Again, what was the problem with the BeerStein slide?
   116. Walt Davis Posted: August 19, 2022 at 12:11 AM (#6092234)
Again, what was the problem with the BeerStein slide?

It promoted drinking. You don't want kids drinking when they could be gambl ... err, gaming.
   117. Walt Davis Posted: August 19, 2022 at 12:58 AM (#6092237)
If Pujols stays in St. Louis throughout his entire career are his 30's better/much better/ or the same as when he went to LA?

Much better obviously -- they're the Cardinals. In case you hadn't heard, it's virtually certain that our entire universe is just a computer simulation and obviously this simulation is all about me and obviously the Cardinals exist in this simulation just to annoy the #### out of me.

But seriously ... the Cards traded nothing of value for 29-yo Matt Holliday and extended him for 7 years for no good reason whatsoever. Matt Holliday, good but pedestrian ballplayer. He puts up 20 WAR for ages 30-34. They traded nothing of value for the 33-yo McGwire ... who gave them 1900 PAs of some of the greatest hitting MLB has ever seen. They traded nothing of value for a seemingly declining and very expensive Nolan Arenado (and large quantities of cash) who has put up 10 WAR in <2 seasons. They traded some stuff of moderate value (Kelly) for the declining 31-yo Paul Goldschmidt, extended him for no good reason whatsoever, and he's given them 14 WAR in his last 1400 PA. They traded some stuff of moderate value for 30-yo good but pedestrian Jim Edmonds, extended him for no good reason whatsoever, and he gave them 36 WAR over 6 seasons, turning himself into a potential HoF CF. They acquired a young Adam Wainwright, extended him twice, then kept giving him 1-year contracts** -- 43 WAR. They signed a young C, couldn't hit, they extended him for no good reason whatsoever, then extended him again, then extended him again -- he's going to the HoF just cuz he signed with the Cardinals.

Folks think that so-called logic means causality doesn't work that way and that the Cards dodged a bullet when Pujols rejected their offer to sign with the Angels. But not in this simulation. If he'd had enough sense to sign with the Cards, he'd have put up 50 WAR in his 30s.

Don't get me started on finding an Aledmys Diaz (3 WAR as a 25-yo rookie in 450 PA in 2016 ... then sucking in 2017), replacing him with Paul deJong (2.7 WAR in 443 PA as a 23-yo rookie in 2017 and 13 WAR in about 4 full seasons, extending him for no good reason whatsoever ... then sucking in 2022), replacing him with Tommy Edman (3.9 WAR in 349 PA as a 24-yo rookie in 2019 and 14 WAR in about 3 full seasons).

Or the whole Jon Jay, Allen Craig, Randall Grichuk, Stephen Piscotty, Tommy Pham, Jose Martinez, Harrison Bader, Tyler O'Neill, Dylan Carlson, Brandon Donovan and, FFS, now a guy named Lars Nootbaar merry-go-round of 1-3 year OF wonders. Why did the Cards trade away Randy Arozarena? Because they know they can just promote whoever they've got at AA and get a 4-WAR year out of him before discarding him. The Cubs paid Heyward $182 M for 9 WAR; the Cards paid this collection of flotsam about $1.50 for probably 3 times that much WAR.

** The Cards got Wainwright for just $2 M in 2019; just $5 M in 2020 (then pro-rated); just $8 M in 2021; then finally had to front up with some real money at $17.5 for 2022. 8 WAR, 587 IP for $32 M.
   118. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 19, 2022 at 01:16 AM (#6092239)
If he'd had enough sense to sign with the Cards, he'd have put up 50 WAR in his 30s.
Well, in fairness, his 30s were mostly over by the time he signed with the Angels anyway.
   119. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 09:58 AM (#6092247)
Is the asterisk for the walk-off GS turned single? If he had circled the bases, he'd still be at 18.


No, the asterisk was because I he was the most unlikely to make the list. I think if people randomly threw out names they could easily get 10 of the 13 and probably with a little diving get the 11th, but there were two that I thought would be a bit surprising.
   120. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 10:04 AM (#6092250)
Walt, the Cardinals did trade away Alcantara/Gallen for Ozuna though. Must have been a glitch in the matrix.
   121. The Duke Posted: August 19, 2022 at 10:12 AM (#6092251)
Pujols improvement can likely be traced to massive weight loss and working out a bit. He was hugely overweight and out of shape for much of this decline. I think some of that was foot woes.

Also, he just got divorced so maybe the marriage issues caused issues,too.

This iteration of Albert is quite fun to watch. Against lefties he has great plate coverage and seems to put most everything in the air, avoiding double plays.
   122. The Duke Posted: August 19, 2022 at 10:24 AM (#6092254)
The grand slam list led me to look at Kingman's career. My memory was that he was considered an empty at bat who struck out all the time. My, how things have changed. OPS+ of 115 looks pretty good to me. His dWAR makes his overall WAR look terrible. Has some platoon splits but not terrible. He'd fit right in today
   123. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 10:29 AM (#6092256)
The grand slam list led me to look at Kingman's career. My memory was that he was considered an empty at bat who struck out all the time. My, how things have changed. OPS+ of 115 looks pretty good to me. His dWAR makes his overall WAR look terrible. Has some platoon splits but not terrible. He'd fit right in today


10b.(16) Kingman


List looks like this.

1. (25) Arod
2. (23) Gehrig
3. (21) Manny
4. (19) Murray
5a.(18) McCovey
5b.(18)*Ventura
7a.(17) Foxx
7b.(17)
7c.(17)@
10a.(16)Aaron
10b.(16) Kingman
10c.(16)
10d.(16) Albert Pujols

Current
29. (12)
65. (10) (more or less his career is over)
88. (9)
   124. The Duke Posted: August 19, 2022 at 11:27 AM (#6092262)
The cardinals have a pretty cool constellation of future Hall of Famers on their roster this year with

Pujols - he's a lock
Molina - Not a lock but probable
Goldschmidt - an MVP would likely make him a lock
Arenado - rejuvenated and on his way again

In the possible category is Wainwright who will parlay an "almost " playing career with a broadcasting career to get in via old-timers

That's five potential Hall players On one team

They had Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds, Waino, Walker, Molina at one point so I guess it's not that uncommon
   125. salvomania Posted: August 19, 2022 at 12:00 PM (#6092270)
Are Killebrew or Mantle on that career grand slam list?
   126. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 12:01 PM (#6092271)
Molina - Not a lock but probable


As close to a lock as any catcher not named Bench/Berra/Irod by the bbwaa.

That's five potential Hall players On one team


Waino is a stretch, and I get what you are going for there, but I think he's out of baseball after he retires. Of course you are forgetting future hof Dylan Carlson and Nolan Gorman.
   127. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 12:02 PM (#6092272)
Are Killebrew or Mantle on that career grand slam list?


Mantle 9gs
Killebrew 11gs

Everyone is missing the 3rd most obvious name (2nd most obvious has been picked)
   128. The Duke Posted: August 19, 2022 at 04:59 PM (#6092287)
Ozuna is a bracing comp for what might become of Tatis. Trouble just follows some people and Tatis appears to have that look and feel.

It's amazing that people like Ozuna can't seem to adjust their trajectory.

I loved him in STL and his first couple years in Atl. Seemed to really get along with teammates, enthusiastic like Ernie Banks, played every day. But turn off the stadium lights and it was a different story
   129. Sleepy wants to be a Special Master Posted: August 19, 2022 at 05:33 PM (#6092291)
There’s a chance Walker might get a September call up, and he’s got as much of a chance as any 20 year old kid tearing up AA.

It would probably take an injury to either Arenado or Goldy, though, so they might not all be on the team at the same time.

Anyway I’m surprised no one has guessed 7b or 10c yet, or guessed The Obvious But Incorrect guess. Or the other Obvious but Incorrect guess.
   130. Sleepy wants to be a Special Master Posted: August 19, 2022 at 05:38 PM (#6092293)
Oh wow, the cubs came back and beat MIL today.
   131. Walt Davis Posted: August 19, 2022 at 06:01 PM (#6092298)
As close to a lock as any catcher not named Bench/Berra/Irod by the bbwaa.

Yes, thank god they finally took baby-naming powers away from the BBWAA.
   132. Walt Davis Posted: August 19, 2022 at 06:06 PM (#6092299)
Of course the late 60s Cubs had Banks, Williams, Santo and Fergie at one time and they never won nuthin'. Lou Brock passed through briefly too but he never overlapped with Fergie. The 1970 Cubs also got 3.2 innings from Hoyt Wilhelm so technically that was 5.
   133. The Duke Posted: August 19, 2022 at 07:02 PM (#6092306)
I wonder what the record is for most HOFrs on one team. 1927 and 1956 Yanks appear to have 6

1964-65 giants had 6

1968 cards had 6
   134. Howie Menckel Posted: August 19, 2022 at 07:13 PM (#6092307)
Bradley Zimmer is the 17th Phillie to start a game in CF since 2019.

that seems like a lot, compared to C or 1B or LF or RF, for example
   135. Walt Davis Posted: August 19, 2022 at 07:55 PM (#6092311)
Kingman was certainly derided more than he deserved at the time due to the Ks. But also the related low BA and even in our saber troglodyte mindsets we knew he didn't walk enough. That low OBP while playing sub-par corner OF defense would be just as bad a fit now as it was then, not to mention the K-rate would surely be higher today. He was more Franmil Reyes than he was Joey Gallo (outstanding walk rate, good defense, even positive baserunning).

Joey Gallo 14.7 WAR in 2704 PA
Dave Kingman 17.4 WAR in 7429 PA

Those really aren't close.

Kingman was probably one of those hitters heavily affected by his environment. He was very good in his time with the Cubs, Wrigley being a very good park for him. He barely got to play in Fenway until the end of his career but his line there was: just 84 PAs but 276/345/816 with 13 HR. In 940 PA in Wrigley: 297/360/608 with 69 HR. Comp those to 222/298/465 in SF; 218/285/459 in Shea; 235/295/436 in Oak. He had 136 more TB in Wrigley than Oak in the same PA; 162 more TB Chi vs SF in just 98 more PA; just 63 fewer TB Chi vs NYM in 436 fewer PA. If he played most of his career for Cubs (or probably Red Sox), he'd be in the HoF with around 600 HRs.
   136. mex4173 Posted: August 19, 2022 at 07:59 PM (#6092314)
Everyone is missing the 3rd most obvious name (2nd most obvious has been picked)


Anyone guess Bonds yet?
   137. Walt Davis Posted: August 19, 2022 at 08:11 PM (#6092316)
Back to my Cards rant cuz I forgot to add: They had a very promising young pitcher but, like a lot of young pitchers, he gets hurt and, like not many young pitchers, completely loses the plate for a while. Happens all the time to every team. What do the Cards do? They turn him into a league-average OF!! You think that the Cubs would have thought of that? Not that they really needed one cuz Skip Schumaker (FFS) and Ryan Ludwick (FFS) were doing jolly good but I suppose they needed somebody to replace Chris Duncan (FFS) ... they just wanted to prove they could do it if they really set their mind to it.

Some of you are lucky enough to be fans of teams in the same division as the Dodgers or the Yankees -- sucks, but you can point to their massive payrolls and their free agents and their extended young stars. Me, my team keeps losing out to Skip Schumacker and Randall Grichuk and Tommy Edman and the 408 good PAs of Aaron Miles's career.
   138. salvomania Posted: August 19, 2022 at 09:16 PM (#6092319)
Babe Ruth?
   139. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 19, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6092320)
The Orioles are putting on one of the greatest hitting exhibitions of all time tonight. Still in the bottom of the 5th, the O's have 15 runs, 18 hits, and about a dozen balls or more with an exit velocity of over 100. Meanwhile the Yankees are being shut out again in the 9th, but luckily their game is only on one of those clown TV networks aimed at teenagers.
   140. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 19, 2022 at 09:48 PM (#6092321)
Kingman was probably one of those hitters heavily affected by his environment.

In the era of only 4 divisions, Kingman had the distinction of being the only player to hit a home run for 4 different teams in 4 different divisions in the same year. (1977, Mets, Padres, Angels and Yankees)
   141. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 19, 2022 at 09:49 PM (#6092322)
The Orioles are putting on one of the greatest hitting exhibitions of all time tonight. Still in the bottom of the 5th, the O's have 15 runs, 18 hits,


We'll see. The Astros had 25 hits the other night and there was a 29! hit game earlier in the season.

Of course the O's pitching staff is making it interesting by giving up 14 hits and 9 runs. The Red Sox stink so I doubt they can claw back another 6 runs.
   142. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 19, 2022 at 09:57 PM (#6092324)
Eh, Sox with 3 more hits in the 6th, but only netting 1 run so far as Hosmer(who else) had a GIDP in the middle of it.
   143. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 19, 2022 at 09:59 PM (#6092325)
We'll see. The Astros had 25 hits the other night and there was a 29! hit game earlier in the season.

It's not just the scoreboard, it's all those 100 MPH+ exit velocities. Not a cheapie in a carload.
   144. ReggieThomasLives Posted: August 19, 2022 at 10:14 PM (#6092326)
The Yankees should just empty the farm to get the young guys some major league experience. They are so far ahead nothing could go wrong, right?
   145. Sleepy wants to be a Special Master Posted: August 19, 2022 at 10:27 PM (#6092327)
I gotta admit. Aaron Miles was awesome for a very short while. I think I sponsored his b-r page for a bit. I’m guessing WAR didn’t love him as much as I did.

And then there was Adam Kennedy.
   146. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 19, 2022 at 10:39 PM (#6092328)
Red Sox set down the O's in order in the 7th. The first 1,2,3 inning by either team so far in the game.
Over 300 pitches already thrown in this one.
Each team has 18 hits already.
Definitely not a game for the the purists if you're a fan of 1968 pitcher's duals.
   147. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 19, 2022 at 11:13 PM (#6092330)
Red Sox outhit Orioles 19-18, but alas the O's 5-0 homer advantage proves to be the difference.

Sox go down again. Here's to looking forward to 2023!
   148. base ball chick Posted: August 19, 2022 at 11:29 PM (#6092331)
i know carlos lee hit a lot of GS - i remember he either caught up to or passed babe ruth

so he's gotta be one of the 16 or 17
   149. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 11:50 PM (#6092333)
There’s a chance Walker might get a September call up, and he’s got as much of a chance as any 20 year old kid tearing up AA.


I doubt it, he's not on the 40 man roster right now, so it's unlikely he'll get called up, unless as you point out, an injury to someone of import.
   150. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 11:55 PM (#6092334)
Anyone guess Bonds yet?


No, but Bonds only had 11
   151. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 11:57 PM (#6092335)
Babe Ruth?


10c.(16) Ruth
   152. cardsfanboy Posted: August 19, 2022 at 11:59 PM (#6092336)
i know carlos lee hit a lot of GS - i remember he either caught up to or passed babe ruth

so he's gotta be one of the 16 or 17


7c.(17)@ Carlos Lee


   153. cardsfanboy Posted: August 20, 2022 at 12:12 AM (#6092338)
Cardinals 5-0 bottom of the 8th. Arenado has 4 hits, 3 doubles and a single. Goldy just 2 for 3 with a hr, single and a walk. Mikolas has a two hitter so far, still pitching in the 8th inning pitch count 102 with two outs. (D-backs just scored to make 5-1. Goldy might not have the numbers defensively this year, but that play in the 8th was fantastic)
   154. Sleepy wants to be a Special Master Posted: August 20, 2022 at 12:50 AM (#6092339)
Well done BBC.
   155. cardsfanboy Posted: August 20, 2022 at 01:25 AM (#6092340)
1. (25) Arod
2. (23) Gehrig
3. (21) Manny
4. (19) Murray
5a.(18) McCovey
5b.(18)*Ventura
7a.(17) Foxx
7b.(17)
7c.(17)@-Carlos Lee
10a.(16)Aaron
10b.(16) Kingman
10c.(16)Ruth
10d.(16) Albert Pujols


Current
29. (12)
65. (10) (more or less his career is over)
88. (9)
   156. Cris E Posted: August 20, 2022 at 04:34 AM (#6092345)
Cabrera for the twilight guy? Killebrew? Justice played for some high scoring outfits.
   157. mathesond Posted: August 20, 2022 at 09:10 AM (#6092352)
Votto for the twilight guy?
   158. cardsfanboy Posted: August 20, 2022 at 09:47 AM (#6092353)
Cabrera for the twilight guy? Killebrew? Justice played for some high scoring outfits.

Cabrera 6gs
Killebrew 11gs
Justice 5gs


Votto for the twilight guy?

Votto 4 gs


   159. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 09:48 AM (#6092354)
Has anyone guessed Musial or Williams yet ? I don't remember either being known for grand slams but maybe.
   160. cardsfanboy Posted: August 20, 2022 at 10:53 AM (#6092358)
Has anyone guessed Musial or Williams yet ? I don't remember either being known for grand slams but maybe.


Nope.
Musial 9gs

Williams completes the list.

1. (25) Arod
2. (23) Gehrig
3. (21) Manny
4. (19) Murray
5a.(18) McCovey
5b.(18)*Ventura
7a.(17) Foxx
7b.(17) Williams
7c.(17)@-Carlos Lee
10a.(16)Aaron
10b.(16) Kingman
10c.(16)Ruth
10d.(16) Albert Pujols
   161. cardsfanboy Posted: August 20, 2022 at 10:55 AM (#6092359)
On the current list, the first and third guy are relatively young, first is under 30(by b-ref)
   162. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 11:47 AM (#6092362)
On the same topic.

1. Name a Hall of Fame pitcher who NEVER gave up a grand slam.
2. Name this active MLB position player who will likely go into HOF and has never hit a grand slam

   163. person man Posted: August 20, 2022 at 12:02 PM (#6092363)
1. jim palmer
   164. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 12:09 PM (#6092365)
Lindy McDaniel: 28 WAR, 174 saves, 2000+ IP, 20 years, excellent similarity scores, decent JAWs scores. Isn't he better than billy Wagner or Sutter and on par with smith, hoffman and fingers?

Gotta think 174 saves for his day and age was spectacular plus he has 141 wins
   165. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 12:14 PM (#6092367)
Jim Palmer is correct
   166. fran Posted: August 20, 2022 at 02:35 PM (#6092373)
End of 4th inning:
Phillies change the Out call at the plate.
The Out call is confirmed.
I guess this call wasn't close enough for the recent trend of overturning those calls.

A nice play by the underrated Lindor.

   167. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 20, 2022 at 02:56 PM (#6092374)
Not that the Mets aren’t outplaying the sputtering Phils, but the Mets have had a couple/three timely loopers this series.
   168. Walt Davis Posted: August 20, 2022 at 04:01 PM (#6092379)
2. Name this active MLB position player who will likely go into HOF and has never hit a grand slam

Yadi would seem the most obvious guess.

EDIT: Obviously wrong I mean!
EDIT2: I didn't read that as closely as I thought ... presumably it's "has not hit a grand slam yet" as opposed to "is so close to the end of his career he's likely to never hit one."
   169. Walt Davis Posted: August 20, 2022 at 04:12 PM (#6092381)
Since landing on the Cubs, Franmil Reyes has hit 368/368/711. Obviously I can't complain too much but 0 BB in 38 PA suggests the hot streak won't last. Now obviously anybody can have a couple of bad swings but yesterday, in a pretty key spot, he got thrown a belt-high fastball on the inner half that he 'should" have hit to Milwaukee and swung through it. Today Peralta hangs a little spinner that he should have hit to Evanston even if he didn't quite time it right but he timed it very wrong and missed that one too.

Franmil has his uses (well, use) and that use is to crush meatballs. Nobody can crush 100% of them but ... well maybe I should just stop paying close attention to his PAs, he's crushed when I don't.
   170. Walt Davis Posted: August 20, 2022 at 04:28 PM (#6092383)
Contreras gives the Cubs the lead.
   171. Walt Davis Posted: August 20, 2022 at 05:07 PM (#6092386)
Stroman with 7.2 innings ... 2 hits but 4 BB, 1 R and a man on first.
   172. Walt Davis Posted: August 20, 2022 at 05:10 PM (#6092387)
And 5 pitches later, 3-2 Brewers. Cubs bullpen has been excellent since the AS break but has had some issues closing out the close ones.
   173. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: August 20, 2022 at 05:47 PM (#6092388)
I think MLB.tv and Nike are conspiring to wage psychological warfare against me. It's working.
   174. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 06:39 PM (#6092390)
It is not Yadi. This player has been in the league about 10 years but on a HOF trajectory
   175. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 06:41 PM (#6092391)
C'mon Cubbies - pull one out of the fire !
   176. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 06:43 PM (#6092392)
Hader has just been terrible the last ten outings. Random variation or did MIL know something ?
   177. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 06:44 PM (#6092393)
Wisdom ties it up
   178. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 07:20 PM (#6092398)
Cubs win
   179. The Duke Posted: August 20, 2022 at 07:48 PM (#6092402)
It's interesting to look back at controversial GM decisions. The Reds made a lot of awkward off season moves including dumping suarez and winker, letting Miley and Barnhart go, and adding some salary with Pham, minor and Strickland

On the whole those deals, all of which were panned, have worked out. It looks to me like the reds kept enough talwnt around to see if they could make a WC run and then when that failed sold off the rest

Miley has been a big $10 million hole and Barnhart would have been a 7.5 million hole
Winker just slightly above replacement
Suarez is earning his salary and more
Their free agents cost about &10;-15 million and netted about 0 WAR
Sonny gray has had a "meh" year - certainly wouldn't have helped in CIN

That they got caught holding Moose for another year is a bad answer and. Votto's big number comes off soon. The deadline moves seemed to be well-received.

All in all, it wasn't nearly as bad as people thought
   180. salvomania Posted: August 20, 2022 at 08:30 PM (#6092407)
Didn't realize veteran C Austin Romine had been picked up by the Reds. That makes three MLB teams for him this year: Angels, Cardinals, Reds.

I feel like years ago (before the 1990s) it was a lot more common for the occasional player to be on three teams (or very rarely, four) during the course of an MLB season.

It seems as if it rarely ever happens anymore, although I wouldn't be surprised to find that it happens with about the same frequency as it did years ago, and my impressions are just wrong.
   181. Walt Davis Posted: August 20, 2022 at 09:03 PM (#6092409)
All in all, it wasn't nearly as bad as people thought

Yep, only a half-game behind the Pirates coming into today.

Pham gave the Reds a 87 OPS+ and 0.6 WAR for their share of $7.5 M. Winker has put up a 111 OPS+ but by Rfield his defense has been so bad as to almost wipe that out. He's $6.25 this year, $8.25 next. The Barnhart trade was about opening a spot for Stephenson who unfortunately got hurt. Dumping Mily has worked for them but Gray has put up a 123 ERA+, 1.6 WAR, 0.8 WAA for $10 M and a $12 M next year, that's good value. Mike Minor has put up a 72 ERA+ and been below-replacement.

For Gray they got Chase Petty -- who knows, 19-yo P at A+ currently the Reds #9. For Winker & Suarez, they got 24-yo AAA P Brandon Williamson #6 and 21-yo AA P Connor Phillips (#11). At the deadline they traded Naquin and somebody to the Mets for two guys not in the Reds' top 30. They got nothing for Pham (a PTBNL, probably a better one given he's played well for the Red Sox). They traded Mahle, a well above-average P with one year of control left, for their #7 and #14. They traded Castillo for a good return (their #2 and #3, #18 and #55 overall), gotta give them that.

So during the offseason they traded some useful stuff for middling prospects, let two "expensive" pitchers go, one of whom has been good, the other a bust, and traded for another one who stank. They went from 83 wins last year to around a 400 team this year. And you think that was a success because Winker, Suarez and Gray weren't gonna turn them into a 550 team? And per Cot's, 2021 payroll was $122; 2022 payroll was $114; they also shaved something like $22 M off 2023's payroll. I mean what's a mere 15-20 wins fewer when you can save money like that?

The 2025 Reds might be in great shape but right now the 2023 Reds are Tyler Stephenson, Hunter Greene and two 24-yo SPs with about 150 IP between them who have had good results. This isn't good GMing, this is the same GMing every budget team does.
   182. Sleepy wants to be a Special Master Posted: August 20, 2022 at 09:39 PM (#6092412)
2 HRs for Pujols today… and it’s just the 4th inning.

Imagine if he had gone to Arizona instead of LAA in 2012.
   183. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 20, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6092414)
Nola and Wheeler pitched like #5 starters in the first 2 games of the Mets series.


Bailey Falter? Pitches like an ace. Baseball — ya never can tell.
   184. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 20, 2022 at 09:47 PM (#6092415)
Sorry, double post.
   185. Howie Menckel Posted: August 20, 2022 at 10:04 PM (#6092416)
Not that the Mets aren’t outplaying the sputtering Phils, but the Mets have had a couple/three timely loopers this series.

it almost - almost - seems as if putting the ball in play rather than striking out creates opportunities.

Mets have whiffed 917 times - one more than the hardest-to-whiff NL team - and their pitchers have whiffed 1141 batters, good for second. the differential is a comfortable best in NL.

Mets have hit an exact league-average 127 HR, yet somehow they are a skinny cat's whisker out of 3rd place in RPG.

it's a mystery.
   186. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 20, 2022 at 11:24 PM (#6092421)
Nationals trailing Padres 2-1 after 7, with the damage done by solo HRs from recently-traded Josh Bell & Juan Soto. That’s #121 in his career for Soto, tying him with Bryce Harper & Juan Gonzales for 9th place on the Age-23 MLB HR Leaderboard. Next up, Orlando Cepeda at 122.
   187. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 20, 2022 at 11:40 PM (#6092422)
it almost - almost - seems as if putting the ball in play rather than striking out creates opportunities.


Yep. It's as if weak contact actually has a chance to become a hit, create an error or actually move a runner into scoring position. The K, not so much.

Weren't the Royals really good at one stage because they just made a boatload of contact and their pen shut every game down from like the 6th inning on?

In the no one cares but me category, Red Sox yet again on cresting the .500 mountain after today's win. If this team could actually manage to win 6-7 in a row, they'd put themselves in the mix for the WC.

Of course, teams that are as average as they are, never really reel off decent winning streaks as it would undermine their mediocrity.
   188. cardsfanboy Posted: August 21, 2022 at 12:23 AM (#6092426)
Cardinals have gone 14-3 in the month of August, if they were in the same division as the Dodgers, they would have fallen back by 1/2 a game.
   189. cardsfanboy Posted: August 21, 2022 at 12:41 AM (#6092427)
For the week so far, Goldy has 23 pa, 20 ab, 12h, 3 2b, 3 hr, 11 rbi, 2 bb 5 runs, for a line of .600/.608/1.05/1.658... he might win his third player of the week for the year. (although I'm kinda hoping Albert gets it, but he only has a line of 14 pa, 12 ab, 7h, 3 hr, 1hbp, 1bb, 6rbi, 3runs .583/.642/1.333/1.975 line. (assuming my math is correct)

Month to date for Goldy .416/.500/.866/1.3666 (including today's game) 7 hr, 22 rbi, 15runs scored. (not bad for 17 games)
Month to date for Pujols .451/.514/1.064/1.578 (only 11 games and 35 pa)

assuming of course my math is correct, I'm doing this kinda rushed.
   190. The Duke Posted: August 21, 2022 at 12:48 AM (#6092428)
Another great night for Redbirds. Teams just keep rolling out one LH pitcher after another and crush lefties. Albert on a run but unless a miracle happens he won't get to 700. He needs 5 to pass A-rod. I'm 50-50 on this one.

I think he'll land around 695-696. It's hard to pass milestones when you're close to the end
   191. Sleepy wants to be a Special Master Posted: August 21, 2022 at 12:50 AM (#6092429)
And in case anyone is wondering, Paul Dejong’s grand slam tonight was his third, bringing him into a tie for #665 most grand slams all time.
   192. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: August 21, 2022 at 07:52 AM (#6092433)
Hey, I just moved into an apartment literally across the street from Truist Stadium, where the Winston-Salem Dash play their home games. They're a White Sox High-A affiliate. They have their last homestand coming up, against the bizarrely-named Asheville Tourists, who are in the Astros system. Any prospect mavens around here who can point me to someone I should pay attention to if I go to a game?
   193. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: August 21, 2022 at 12:41 PM (#6092448)
Brewers doing a great job of finding ways to lose. I guess I should not be surprised that there is a fair amount of Brewer nation saying Craig is the problem. I just think the team has felt the effects of the scales righting themselves after winning so many one-run games earlier in season. Now they are losing them. Still 23-18 in one run games but I think at one point were like 10-11 games on plus side which was not going to last.


Yesterday was a microcosm of the last 2 plus weeks where the team had SOOOOOO many chances to put it away and couldn't. 2 outs runner on first got your best reliever on the mound and he walks Orgega on four pitches not even close to plate so the guy who always makes contact can bloop one for a hit and tie the game. Or later in extra innings have the lead run in already with 2 guys on and Yelich up 3-1 in count and on 3-2 swings at a pitch well out of zone so nobody advances and inning dies. And that was just two quick examples out of many.

   194. salvomania Posted: August 21, 2022 at 01:04 PM (#6092454)
What's the deal with the delay to the start of the White Sox-Guardians game in Cleveland?

I checked the weather, and it seems OK, but the game was supposed to start an hour ago...
   195. person man Posted: August 21, 2022 at 01:15 PM (#6092458)
it's been raining off and on all morning here in cleveland.
it is not raining now, and if this were ye olden times, they'd be playing baseball and would deal with a rain delay if necessary.
that is not how things are done now, because reasons.
the guardians have already played 10 doubleheaders this season; many of those postponements turned out to be unwarranted.
   196. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: August 21, 2022 at 01:33 PM (#6092462)
Does any fantasy platform let users swap out players where games have been postponed but the users have someone on the bench where a game has not started? I have asked Yahoo a few times but never got a response.
   197. The Duke Posted: August 21, 2022 at 01:36 PM (#6092463)
193. 20 teams would line up for Counsell if fired. He gets so much out of such a ragtag group of players every year.
   198. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 21, 2022 at 01:44 PM (#6092467)
Does any fantasy platform let users swap out players where games have been postponed but the users have someone on the bench where a game has not started? I have asked Yahoo a few times but never got a response.
Our league uses Fantrax, and I don’t think that is possible.

What I would really like to see for weekly transaction leagues is an option to make a midweek move if someone goes on the IL. It’s ridiculous that you’re forced to play a man down if someone happens to get hurt on a Monday.
   199. person man Posted: August 21, 2022 at 02:58 PM (#6092478)
update from cleveland:
they're still trying to determine if the field is playable due to a drainage issue in left
being blamed on new sod put in place following an elton john concert.

that concert took place on july 30.
   200. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: August 21, 2022 at 03:25 PM (#6092480)
198--Wow did someone programming at Yahoo fantasy read this place? White Sox game postponed and suddenly I can replace Andrew Vaughn.
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