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   1. JJ1986 Posted: August 01, 2022 at 01:38 PM (#6089195)
Has anyone else who uses the MLB app noticed that teams have been added as soft-favorites? I have the Mets as my favorite teams and MLB has decided (for regional reasons?) that I also want the Yankees and Red Sox scores at the top of the scoreboard. They are displayed with a white star, while the Mets are yellow. I see no way to undo this.
   2. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 01, 2022 at 01:46 PM (#6089197)
They are displayed with a white star, while the Mets are yellow. I see no way to undo this.
Nope, but thanks for the warning.
   3. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 01, 2022 at 01:55 PM (#6089198)
Brewers trade Josh Hader to Padres

Brewers get Taylor Rogers, Robert Glasser, Esteury Ruiz and Dinelson Lamet

Hader will be a FA after 2023. Devin Williams is the better pitcher. Guessing the Stearns saw no bats worth the effort so went for pitching depth.


Gutsy move
   4. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 01, 2022 at 01:58 PM (#6089200)
Gutsy move
The Brewers MO appears to be to keep the club's competitive window open for as long as possible.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 01:59 PM (#6089201)
I see no way to undo this.
Move?
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: August 01, 2022 at 02:09 PM (#6089203)
Cano DFA by Braves.

did get 4 more hits to grab a share of 80th place with HOFer Jim O'Rourke.

OPS+ of 7 (!) in 104 PA for 3 teams in 2022.

even Steve Carlton is telling friends, "Geesh, doesn't this Cano guy know that it's over?"

   7. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: August 01, 2022 at 02:10 PM (#6089204)
Hot take time.

I like the deal for the Brewers. Hader is good and all, but he's only got a year left after this one before FA, and Rogers is massively underperforming his FIP. Meanwhile Ruiz runs like Billy Hamilton but hits a lot better than he ever did. Lamet is a guy with an arm, and Gasser looks like a guy who might make a good reliever. Tons of Ks, but he's 23 in A+, time to get a move on. Call it a wash this year, with the other guys being a good return for one year of Hader.
   8. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 01, 2022 at 02:18 PM (#6089206)
4--Stearns keeps getting associated with a role with the Mets but if so he maintains his professionalism by working to keep the Brewers relevant.
   9. The Duke Posted: August 01, 2022 at 04:08 PM (#6089241)
Stearns has to be a top 5 GM in the game. Yanks, dodgers, giants, rays and brewers.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2022 at 04:46 PM (#6089250)
Yanks got Montas, Trivino

EDIT: Prospects ranked #5 (#70 overall), 10, 20, 21 at MLB.com
   11. Walt Davis Posted: August 01, 2022 at 04:55 PM (#6089252)
Astros get Mancini, no news on the return in the ESPN article yet. Mancini has more time at 1B than I realized so I assume that will be his main role with the Astros.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: August 01, 2022 at 05:00 PM (#6089253)
I'm thrilled for him that he's healthy, but from the way reporters talk about him, I figured Mancini was a much better hitter than he has been for the past 2 years. I was surprised how average he is when I looked him up.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 07:32 PM (#6089288)
LeMahieu single, Judge double, and Rizzo HR (#26) to RF (428 feet) puts Yankees up 3-0 over Seattle after 1.
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 07:39 PM (#6089289)
MILESTONE ALERT: Juan Soto walks and scores in the 1st inning on Josh Bell’s double to give the Nationals a 1-0 lead over the Mets. With that BB, Soto ties Mel Ott (462) for 2nd on the Age-23 BB Leaderboard. Ott achieved his mark in 882 more PA, and 90 years ago. Next up, Ted Williams, #1 at 495 BB, a mark that has stood since 1942.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 07:46 PM (#6089292)
Another Judge HR (#43) to LF (420 feet)! 5-1 Yankees.
   16. The Duke Posted: August 01, 2022 at 08:02 PM (#6089298)
Rumors that Dodgers have come in late for a big Soto deal. This was kind of a given
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 08:29 PM (#6089308)
Jose Trevino HR makes it 6-2 Yankees, and most importantly to the large crowd and vast TV audience, guarantees that Aaron Judge will bat in the inning!
   18. Banta Posted: August 01, 2022 at 08:51 PM (#6089316)
Mets continue their strange usage of JD Davis, he got the start against the lefty today, but is pulled for Vogelbach as soon as the Nats bring in a righty. Davis obviously hits lefties far better than Vogelbach, but are the Mets aware that Davis actually hits righties better than lefties for his career?

Vogelbach does walk so I guess they were right? Just strange how much they must think Davis is shot.

Mets announcers also talk about pulling Canha for Naquin against the righty, though Canha also hits righties better than lefties. They seem to be confusing the fact that Naquin and Vogelbach can’t hit lefties at all, as opposed to the other more balanced hitters having a platoon weakness.
   19. stanmvp48 Posted: August 01, 2022 at 08:55 PM (#6089319)
Guess who just went on the disabled list for the third time this year
   20. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 08:59 PM (#6089322)
Juan Soto upping his trade value with a HR (#21) to CF (421 feet) against the Mets. Nationals trail 4-3, but somewhat of a ‘moral victory’ to get 3 runs off Max Scherzer in 4 innings.
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:00 PM (#6089323)
mlb.com - I noted that the other day that cannot be "the hill you die on" when it comes to Juan Soto. this is nuts:

Aug. 1: Cardinals unwilling to part with Carlson, top prospects
Talks between the Nationals and Cardinals have reportedly stalled over Washington's high asking price, according to MLB.com's Jon Paul Morosi.

While St. Louis has not cut off negotiations, the club, which has been considered a frontrunner for Soto because of its abundance of young talent, appears unlikely to include Major League outfielder Dylan Carlson in a deal also involving multiple top prospects.
   22. The Duke Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:02 PM (#6089324)
Question for those who have watched Soto. I enjoyed watching his at bats against STL but he seems to be a "walk first" guy. He seems allergic to swinging at the pitch out of the zone no matter situation.

Walks are great but does he sacrifice too much by not swinging more ?
   23. Banta Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:07 PM (#6089325)
If Soto is too walk-first, it certainly hasn’t mattered until this year anyway.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:15 PM (#6089327)
The hill is both Carlson and the multiple high end prospects. I don't have an issue with that, either Carlson or Walker, not both. The Cardinals are trying to win this year, and they currently don't have anyone that is on the active roster to play quality centerfield.
   25. Banta Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:22 PM (#6089329)
I just can’t see Soto being traded this year. The Nationals absolutely have to get a top return for him because they still have two years after this one to do so. And I imagine many teams are like the Cards, which don’t want to subtract from their active roster to get him. Soto seems like someone who needs to be moved in the off-season.
   26. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:24 PM (#6089330)
MILESTONE ALERT: With his 2nd BB of the game and 463rd of his career, Juan Soto passes Mel Ott (462) for 2nd on the Age-23 BB Leaderboard. As noted in #14, Ott achieved his mark in 882 more PA, 90 years ago.
   27. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:24 PM (#6089331)
22: In doing some baseball research back in college I found that criticism made against Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Wade Boggs, Eddie Matthews, Frank Thomas and Eddie Murray. Just really interesting to come across the same specific criticism while the player was really successful

Just sharing
   28. cardsfanboy Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:27 PM (#6089333)
I just can’t see Soto being traded this year. The Nationals absolutely have to get a top return for him because they still have two years after this one to do so. And I imagine many teams are like the Cards, which don’t want to subtract from their active roster to get him. Soto seems like someone who needs to be moved in the off-season.


I don't know how smart their front office is, but I agree they should wait until the off season for more bidders. (and of course to see what happens with ownership)
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:28 PM (#6089334)
Walks are great but does he sacrifice too much by not swinging more ?
I wouldn’t call Soto a ‘walk first’ guy. He’s more Ted Williams than Eddie Yost. He has such good strike zone judgement that he forces pitchers to throw it over the plate, where there’s a pretty good chance of Soto doing damage, or put him on base with the free pass.
   30. Banta Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:31 PM (#6089335)
I also doubt very much that any great hitter is “walk first.” It may appear that way because the better you are, the less hittable pitches you’re going to see in any given game.

It is interesting to consider whether Soto being too selective is having an impact on his BABIP, which is down like 100 points from his career averages. It seems reasonable that some of that is a function of luck, maybe most of it, but it seems possible that while still working out walks at the same rate (he’s actually down a couple percentage points from last year, while still leading the majors in walks) he’s also putting himself into bad hitting situations and being forced to put less than ideal balls into play. I know he still has one of the lowest swing rates in MLB.
   31. Banta Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:35 PM (#6089338)
28, it’s not only how smart the Nats are, it’s just very unlikely that a player like Soto gets traded for prospects only. There are almost always major league players included in these superstar trades. So a contender might not want to do that and a non-contender doesn’t want to outbid themselves for an extra half season they don’t “need.” Of course that’s all dependent on how the market is perceived to be developing.
   32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:37 PM (#6089339)
I think there should be more buyers willing to pay more money for the Nationals with Soto than without him, so I wouldn’t be surprised for a decision on Soto to be be put off until the team is sold. Of course, there’s always a chance some number-cruncher has persuaded a buyer that running a low-cost, bottom-feeder franchise is more lucrative than putting your money at risk by investing in winning, and wants the Lerners to do the dirty deed, but I’d be a bit surprised if that type of buyer was the high bid.
   33. Banta Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:44 PM (#6089341)
32, that’s an interesting thought, though I still can’t see how the Nats would be more valuable without Soto than with, especially if you have to “force” a deal. If he already had a big contract, that’d make more sense.
   34. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 01, 2022 at 09:51 PM (#6089342)
Cards getting Quintana from Pirates per Twitter
   35. cardsfanboy Posted: August 01, 2022 at 10:00 PM (#6089345)
Cards getting Quintana from Pirates per Twitter


Two month rental so hopefully not much sent.
   36. Banta Posted: August 01, 2022 at 10:11 PM (#6089349)
The first base ump David Rackley in the Mets Nationals game is having a crazy bad game. Missed an easy safe call earlier, runner was safe by a decent margin and it was easily overturned, followed by calling a swinging strike on a check swing when he wasn’t even asked for assistance, and now, he just falsely called a balk when time had been called. He probably just needs to settle down and stay out of it the rest of the game.
   37. Banta Posted: August 01, 2022 at 10:30 PM (#6089353)
Mets win and secure that they can go no worse than 10-5 in the 15 game intermission between Braves series. Pretty good. On pace for 103 wins. And tomorrow, this guy named deGrom is pitching…
   38. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 01, 2022 at 10:50 PM (#6089359)
From MLB’s Aaron Judge HR Pace Tracker:
Most HR in a season -- with totals through 104 team games:

2001 Barry Bonds: 73 -- 45
1998 Mark McGwire: 70 -- 44
2022 Aaron Judge: 67 (current pace) -- 43
1998 Sammy Sosa: 66 -- 37
1999 Mark McGwire: 65 -- 39
2001 Sammy Sosa: 64 -- 35
1999 Sammy Sosa: 63 -- 41
1961 Roger Maris: 61 -- 40
1927 Babe Ruth: 60 -- 34
   39. sanny manguillen Posted: August 01, 2022 at 10:56 PM (#6089360)
Pitcher Johan Oviedo and 1b/3b Malcom Nuñez going from the Cards to the Pirates for Quintana and reliever Chris Stratton.
   40. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 01, 2022 at 10:59 PM (#6089361)
At Nats Park earlier, the local fans were beyond thrilled to watch Soto hit a home run off of Scherzer but surely wondering whether this was his last game in a Nats uni.

That said, I agree with Banta that Soto's going nowhere.
   41. sanny manguillen Posted: August 01, 2022 at 11:01 PM (#6089362)
Double post.
   42. The Duke Posted: August 02, 2022 at 12:17 AM (#6089372)
It's easy to see how Nats could be better without Soto. He's already on their team and they are the worst team in the league. If they get a series of guys who can step in a deliver his WAR or More, they could be better off.....for a while. The problem is that Soto will be a 6 WAR player for a long time so getting your trade material to ring up those WAR totals for double digit years is hard.

Given the names I've seen from the Cardinals rumors, they are going to do just fine in the short term

The other issue is that they will dump Josh Bell too.
   43. The Duke Posted: August 02, 2022 at 12:28 AM (#6089375)
27. You kind of make my point. No one looks at Williams, mantle, Thomas, Murray, Mathews as walk guys. They hit the crap out of the ball - most of those guys are in the top 50 career HR leaders. Boggs was a hit machine, 200 a year every year.

Soto isn't like those guys. Definitely not the slugger that most of them are and he doesn't look like a 200 hit per year guy to me

His big tool is walking. Not a bad thing
   44. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 02, 2022 at 01:59 AM (#6089378)
On-Base Plus Slugging Up To & Including Age-23 Season:

1. Ted Williams 1.123
2. Albert Pujols 1.025
3. Jimmie Foxx 1.012
4. Willie Wells 1.007
5. Joe DiMaggio .994
6. Mel Ott .985
7. Juan Soto .963
8. Stan Musial .962
9. Eddie Mathews .961
10. Mike Trout .956

Soto has a .537 Career Slugging Percentage (not counting tonight’s game). That’s higher than Mantle & Murray through their age-23 seasons.
   45. sunday silence (again) Posted: August 02, 2022 at 03:02 AM (#6089379)
To hear the Duke tell it, you'd think the guy was like Eddie Stanky.
   46. TomH Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:08 AM (#6089387)
other up-to-23 leaders batting stats
ADJUSTED BATTING WINS
1. Ted Williams 29.2
2. Ty Cobb ... 26.0
3. Mike Trout . 23.6
4. Mel Ott .... 21.6
5. Mickey Mantle 18.8
6. Juan Soto ... 18.4

ADJUSTED OPS+
1. Ted Williams 190
2. Ty Cobb ... 171
3. Mike Trout . 169
4. Stan Musial . 169
5. Willie Wells 168
6. Albert Pujols 165
7. Juan Soto .. 160
   47. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:17 AM (#6089388)
Soto has a .537 Career Slugging Percentage (not counting tonight’s game). That’s higher than Mantle & Murray through their age-23 seasons.

But from 24 on up, Mantle's SA was .569, and that's including his final years when he was virtually a cripple.
   48. The Duke Posted: August 02, 2022 at 10:44 AM (#6089402)
Again, using OPS he'll look great because that includes his walks. If you look where he's been in his time, his slugging percentage has been too 20 ish, with the exception of the pandemic year where he was 4th.

That's good but it isn't memorable in this day and age

He's young and the power will come given his comps but all I'm saying is he seems to prioritize walks in his approach. He just looks like a guy trying to take a walk as opposed to doing damage.

Goldschmidt had an interesting quote about the cardinals hitting a few weeks ago when they were struggling. He said, paraphrasing, that they weren't hitting enough doubles and HRs. He said when you rely on three singles/walks to score a run it's hard to score runs the way the game is played now and that guys needed to focus on getting big hits.
   49. JJ1986 Posted: August 02, 2022 at 11:38 AM (#6089415)
Soto's just not (yet) a guy who puts up huge power numbers. I see no reason to think that's because he walks a lot.
   50. JJ1986 Posted: August 02, 2022 at 11:45 AM (#6089416)
I hate the Nats, but I find this fairly depressing:
Source: #Padres on the verge of acquiring Juan Soto. Deal is believed to be nearing final stages.
   51. jmurph Posted: August 02, 2022 at 11:51 AM (#6089419)
Insanity.
   52. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: August 02, 2022 at 11:52 AM (#6089422)
Not as big as Soto news, but Jorge Lopez to the Twins. O's get Cade Povich (good K rate in A+, gives up lots of runs), Juan Rojas (lotto ticket), Yennier Cano (28 yo MLB rookie reliever), and Juan Nunez (lotto ticket).
   53. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 12:34 PM (#6089455)
That doesn't sound like a lot for Soto, I find it hard to believe the Cardinals offer wasn't as good, but maybe they just wanted a particular player.
   54. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 12:49 PM (#6089464)
Just posted in the other thread, but holy moly, this is crazy town for Soto. I still cannot understand the sense of urgency, as this feels like a “best deal available at the time” instead of maximizing value for a player with 2.5 years left. Been thinking about what Yankee Clapper said in 32 yesterday and there has to be some ulterior motive involving the sale of the team here. Or they’re completely in love with the prospects and think Soto’s value is only gonna drop. In which case, they may be stupid or insane!
   55. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 01:30 PM (#6089479)
Just posted in the other thread, but holy moly, this is crazy town for Soto. I still cannot understand the sense of urgency, as this feels like a “best deal available at the time” instead of maximizing value for a player with 2.5 years left. Been thinking about what Yankee Clapper said in 32 yesterday and there has to be some ulterior motive involving the sale of the team here. Or they’re completely in love with the prospects and think Soto’s value is only gonna drop. In which case, they may be stupid or insane!


Fully agree. I think maybe their thought process is that teams were more likely to give up a top tier prospect because of fan pressure vs giving the field a chance at him. Gore is probably going to at least a solid number two going forward if not more. So there is that, but I just think they would have done better as a franchise/team by holding off another season or at least forcing Corbin on someone.
   56. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 03:58 PM (#6089556)
Mets trade JD Davis for Darin Ruf, which does make sense given how they apparently wanted to platoon DH and Davis wasn’t really a lefty masher. Still don’t really feel like they’re substantially better after the Vogelbach and Ruf moves, I would have just let Davis rip and keep Holderman, but it’s clear all year the Mets have not been a fan.

This all gets a pass if they end up with Contreras, but as time passes, I’m getting less and less confident that will happen.
   57. Howie Menckel Posted: August 02, 2022 at 04:14 PM (#6089565)
Vogelbach + Ruf platoon might = JD Martinez? I'm squinting hard....

problem is, this ain't 1972; not many non-C hitter roster slots.

Holderman recalled by PIT - maybe Mets can get him back, lol
   58. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 04:22 PM (#6089570)
Yeah Howie, two roster spots on guys who you wouldn’t really want to play anywhere but DH is questionable. Just seems like a lot of shuffling for a minor upgrade if all goes well. Hell, it’s almost as likely that JD outhits both of them the rest of the way. Naquin and Guillorme are essentially the full bench now.
   59. JJ1986 Posted: August 02, 2022 at 04:24 PM (#6089572)
McNeil's versatility and Lindor playing every day both help with the short bench but I'd rather just have Davis at DH and have added a great defensive outfielder to the bench.
   60. Howie Menckel Posted: August 02, 2022 at 04:29 PM (#6089575)
yes.

the 11 non-Cs are, with OPS+
Alonso 154
SMarte 133
Lindor 123
McNeil 122
Vogelbach 122
Nimmo 121
Canha 115
Guillorme 112
Ruf 98
Naquin 97
Escobar 87

(Davis was a 96)

no completely empty bats - though the pitiful catchers more than make up for that
   61. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 04:36 PM (#6089580)
And the Mets had to send three minor leaguers along with Davis. That seems, uh, unnecessary? They aren’t anything to speak of, but it’s sort of nuts that Davis himself, who isn’t a free agent until 2024, wasn’t enough to get Ruf, who is having a worse season than Davis. Good job by the Giants, I guess.
   62. Howie Menckel Posted: August 02, 2022 at 04:38 PM (#6089582)
I think it's just a matter of Ruf being a better platoon tandem for Vogelbach - which, wait, are they building their offense around Vogelbach now? (they are 7-0 with him, so...)

90 minutes left. Contreras would slot in nicely at 129 OPS+
   63. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 04:42 PM (#6089585)
Oh it’s definitely that, Howie, it just all feels like answers to a question that no one asked two weeks ago. But again, if they come up with a catcher, I’m all good. If they don’t, I’m probably gonna be super obnoxious every time McCanido strike out in a big spot the rest of the way.

Also, if they don’t get a catcher, there could have been a out of the box solution where you carry three catchers, or pick up a decent hitter who can emergency catch and then you pinch hit like a madman. That’s maybe not viable, but with the heavy platoon split hitters you have now, it’s definitely not viable. Eh, it’s really only a OOTP fantasy anyway, but it would be cool to see since catchers are the new pitchers.

I’m also gonna puke if I see/hear one more “well deGrom is really their big acquisition” take. Screw that jazz, again, I never needed Contreras, I need a catcher who can OPS .600 reliably. That shouldn’t be too much to ask for.
   64. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 02, 2022 at 04:52 PM (#6089589)
Padres playing shorthanded today - Luke Voit is gone, Juan Soto hasn't arrived - and the Rox are taking advantage, up 2-0 in the second on a Randal Grichuk homer.
   65. JJ1986 Posted: August 02, 2022 at 05:15 PM (#6089596)
I'd really like the Mets to add a reliever as well.
   66. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 05:58 PM (#6089609)
Mets get Mychal Givens from the Cubs, which is, okay. But that also probably puts the knife in a Contreras deal, who appears to be staying put?

Not very happy with this.
   67. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 02, 2022 at 05:59 PM (#6089610)
The Angels have sent Noah Syndergaard to the Phillies for former No. 1 pick Mickey Moniak.
   68. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 06:20 PM (#6089625)
Blargh, gonna have to shake off this disappointment before deGrom starts. It’s just incredible that the Mets had precisely one glaring hole and were unable to do anything. Given how this year is going, deGrom’s and Scherzer’s ages and contract situations, I probably would have overpaid for Contreras. It’s equally interesting that the Cubs didn’t cave. I’m guessing both were playing a game of chicken and they both sort of lost.
   69. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 02, 2022 at 06:27 PM (#6089630)
This feels like it might be a practical joke, but the Jays just traded for the unvaccinated Whit Merrifield.
   70. Cris E Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:10 PM (#6089657)
Well he did say he'd be open-minded if traded.
   71. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:16 PM (#6089658)
No matter your thoughts on the vaccines, I’m not sure you can frame Merrifield’s “contender only” position in any sort of a positive way.
   72. Howie Menckel Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:28 PM (#6089662)
deGrom hits 102 on his third pitch, then 100, then tosses in nibbler offspeed stuff of 95 and 93, and the first batter has whiffed.

he's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

re Contreras, it's something fantasy league owners experience as well.

if you make a deal as stupid as the one you did last year with the Cubs (two pointless months of Javy Baez for ex-No. 1 pick Pete Crow-Armstrong), then the following summer the other team (a la the Cubs) won't believe you when you say you won't be as stupid again.
   73. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:28 PM (#6089663)
Ump had to squeeze deGrom on his first batter, preventing a three pitch strikeout. Made Jake throw three extra pitches to get the K.
   74. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:31 PM (#6089664)
1-2-3 in the first, 2 Ks. To be fair, deGrom may have had harder assignments in the minors than the lineup the Nats are putting up tonight.

Still confused why Canha sits against righties now. Naquin and him are very similar in effectiveness but Canha is a better OBP guy.
   75. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:35 PM (#6089667)
What kind of pitch count/inning limit should deGrom be on tonight?
   76. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:36 PM (#6089668)
SNY has been saying 75-80 pitches for Jake tonight.

I’m more curious how many starts it’ll take to get him closer to 100. Hopefully not much more than three, there’s a division race going on here and as much as I love deGrom, he’s opting out after this year.
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:39 PM (#6089670)
Padres playing shorthanded today - Luke Voit is gone, Juan Soto hasn't arrived - and the Rox are taking advantage, up 2-0 in the second on a Randal Grichuk homer


Are they trying to get Soto to make it for the second game? (not that it mater for the first as SD has a 13-5 lead)
   78. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:41 PM (#6089671)
It is amazing how deGrom makes Scherzer look like trash in comparison.

4Ks through 2. It’s already safe to say as long as he stays healthy, he hasn’t lost anything.
   79. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:46 PM (#6089672)
Just because I like to document these things and see how they changed. Profar with a 5 for 6 game today (so far) 7 total bases only though, but has a 124 ops+(.770) and 3.5 war coming into this game. Kim who is 4 for 5 with also 7 total bases had a 102 ops+(.691) and 3.0 war.
   80. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:50 PM (#6089673)
#### you Cohen! Is deGrom gonna catch?! Then he doesn’t help make that position less embarrassing!

I’m okay. It’s okay. Everything’s fine. Serenity now.
   81. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:53 PM (#6089674)
Well, the Mets look like the Mets with deGrom on the mound, shut out through three.
   82. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 07:58 PM (#6089675)
Nevermind
   83. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:00 PM (#6089677)
deGrom 5 Ks through 3, 1 hit, and one hard hit ball that last inning. 39 pitches. 31 strikes. Reached 102 on his fastball. Whew.
   84. frannyzoo Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:02 PM (#6089678)
"#### you Cohen!"

Never. deGrom will go to the HOF, health willing, but Gary Cohen...he's more why I'm watching/listening to this game than deGrom. Always. Oh, and Keith (or Ron) is helping, definitely, but...
   85. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:02 PM (#6089679)
Summary for Cardinals trade deadline....


We get two league average starting pitchers (Quintana/Montgomery) Quintana is a one season rental, Montgomery is locked in for another season. We gave up Bader (who has one more season to go) Oviedo and Nunez... Both Oviedo and Nunez had high upside, especially Nunez, but he was also blocked at his position three deep. (Arenado/Gorman/Walker)


I'm fine with this, basically our rotation is now 1 ace pitcher (Mikolas) a solid number 2 (Waino) Solid number threes (Quintana/Montgomery) with Pallente and Hudson for the number five, both capable of being solid threes (and Pallante has performed better than that so far this year, but that is above his expected ceiling so you have to assume some return to earth after scouting reports start getting more detailed)

Our centerfield is an issue going forward as I'm not a huge fan of Carlson's defense out there, it's above average but it's not elite.(and we have no outfielders on our 40 man roster that isn't active)

And they added a reliever Strafford who is controlled one more year (he's 31 years old this season, this rule needs to be modified) who can start in a pinch.
   86. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:05 PM (#6089680)
Oh I like Gary, I just already warned the world against telling me that deGrom is the Mets big trade deadline acquisition if they didn’t get a catcher. That’s just lame spin and it doesn’t help them OPS 550.

Naturally the Mets, coming off 52 hits in the four prior games, have 2 in 4 innings thus far with deGrom pitching.

And now back to back hits have the Nationals up 1-0. Barf.
   87. Walt Davis Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:12 PM (#6089681)
On Soto and his wimpy walking ... partly why he walks so much is because of his power (and BA) such that pitchers won't challenge him. Just like they didn't challenge Mantle and they didn't challenge Bonds and they didn't challenge McGwire and ... with that "problem" obviously exacerbated by the lousy lineup around him. He led the league in IBB in 2020-21 (but only 4 this year oddly) ... his 23 in 2021 would have been the 2nd-highest of Mac's career.

Like most sluggers, nobody wants to pitch to him with men on base and 1B open. -2- his walk rate is >30%; --3 it's >33%; -23 it's >40%. That's pretty typical. Heck, he's IBB'd nearly 30% of the time in -23. With the bases loaded, either he gets freaked out or he really is focused more on not getting out or maybe he expands his strike zone (250/385/271 with no GS). Anyway, I like this comp to Frank Robinson

JS 291/427/538, 247 ISO, 160 OPS+, 17% K/PA, 119 HR in 2439 PA, 31.7 HR per 650 PA
FR 299/374/543, 244 ISO, 137 OPS+, 14% K/PA, 134 HR in 2594 PA, 33.6 HR per 650 PA (ages 20-23)

The difference in PA is due to 2020. So he's Frank Robinson with more walks (and fewer outs). How could that possibly be an "issue?"

To put the final nail in (per 162 G because that's easiest in b-r):

JS per 162 G (699 PA): 401 outs, 133 BB, 95 singles, 34 2B/3B, 34 HR
FR per 162 G (706 PA): 442 outs, 65 BB, 113 singles, 36 2B/3B, 36 HR

So you gain 41 outs and a whopping 68 BB vs 18 singles, 2 doubles and 2 HR (some of those singles and outs due to the extra PAs).

Now Robinson then went on a tear for the next 11 seasons, with a line of 305/401/557 with an OPS+ of 165. Note that's an increase in walk rate while the ISO has gone just from 244 to 252. (Also an increase in BA obviously.) Per 162 G (just 683 PA now), it's 103 singles, 39 2B/3B, 34 HR and 86 BB. In short, the only real change in Robinson's production was adding 21 walks in place of outs. And Robinson's career walk rates:

-2- 22%
--3 19%
-23 38%

Maybe you're brave enough to face the ghost of Frank Robinson and tell him he should have swung more with men on base but I'm certainly not.

It's a dumb criticism. It's always been a dumb criticism. Guys like Soto (Thomas, Thome, Mantle, McGwire, Bonds, Williams) walk a lot because they don't swing at pitches outside of the zone. They don't swing at pitches outside of the zone because they know they can't hit those pitches with authority and so it would be counter-productive for them to do so. Pitchers nibble because they don't want their pitches crushed so these guys see more balls outside the zone that most other batters.

The sluggers who swing a lot at pitches outside of the zone are the Sammy Sosas (and mostly worse). And even Sosa walked more than 25% of the time in -23 and about 17-18% of the time in -2- and --3 (and <8% with bases empty).

It's a two-man game. Expanding your strike zone with men on base is exactly what pitchers want batters to do. Why should Soto help them out?

EDIT: In fairness, Robinson's "break out" is largely due to him producing at the same level while offense was generally declining through the 60s so his OPS+ went up. Still, changing 21 outs to walks will boost the OBP by 30 points and the OPS+ by 9-10 while pushing up SLG a bit by reducing the denominator, maybe another 4 points of OPS+.
   88. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:17 PM (#6089682)
Well done, Walt. I was looking through comps for Soto yesterday too and thought that Frank Robinson was pretty good too. Frank had a few more homers but Soto walked more. It will be interesting to see if Soto gains more power as he gets older (I would suspect he does).

Ugh, now I get to watch Nido lead off an inning. I hate it so much.
   89. Walt Davis Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:23 PM (#6089684)
Apparently the Rays have sold Brett Phillips to the O's. I guess that clears up the "competition" with Siri. :-)

Anybody know if the trade deadline applies to sales?
   90. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:32 PM (#6089689)
Anybody know if the trade deadline applies to sales?


I imagine it does, all the trade deadline is about is whether a player has to pass waivers or not to be traded.
   91. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:32 PM (#6089691)
Nice pitching change by the Nats there
   92. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:34 PM (#6089694)
WTF? deGrom is done after 5 at 59 pitches?? How do you expect to stretch him out? I’m sorry but a deGrom that can’t crack 80 pitches by September is not really a value add. And again, for a guy who might not even be a Met next year, you either help out or you get out. If it wasn’t capable of throwing 75 pitches, then they shouldn’t have even activated him.
   93. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:37 PM (#6089695)
WTF? deGrom is done after 5 at 59 pitches?? How do you expect to stretch him out? I’m sorry but a deGrom that can’t crack 80 pitches by September is not really a value add. And again, for a guy who might not even be a Met next year, you either help out or you get out. If it wasn’t capable of throwing 75 pitches, then they shouldn’t have even activated him.


I would be fine with him being pulled early if the team at least had a lead, but it's just 59 pitches, if he wasn't able to go 80 today, then one more rehab start. Unless they have a couple of off days or a reliable pitcher the next day or two that you trust to go deep, you are just taxing your pen if the plan was 'five innings only'.
   94. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:41 PM (#6089698)
Or, trying to look at this in a positive way, you are saving up a bit of energy for a longer start against the Braves during the upcoming 5 game series.
   95. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:42 PM (#6089699)
I have no idea why, in this pitch count driven era, that you would have an innings threshold too.

Again, we’re in a division race here in August. Not running a charity. If you’re that concerned about deGrom throwing 60+ pitches, then you need to start someone else. It just feels like being very accommodating to a guy who isn’t gonna accommodate you in the off-season. Which I have no problem with but that should work both ways.

94, I’d like to believe that but how willing are they gonna be to go 80-90 pitches with a guy whose last start was 59? Seems unlikely.

And as I’m getting ready to complain that Nagosek is the guy they bring in for a tied game, he gives up a two run homerun. This entire thing feels like a spring training game except you’re only 3.5 games up on a team that you’re gonna play five games against at the end of the week.

And now 4-1 on another solo homerun. This is some hot garbage and the Mets have managed to make me as angry as possible on a day that should be fun.
   96. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:48 PM (#6089702)
Goldy with his 80th rbi of the season, I know it's a crappy stat, but Goldy is the only player since 2012 to have 9 seasons of 80 rbi or more.


I hate all Cubs shortstops...:) second excellent play by Hoerner today. (both double plays he started were excellent defense on his side)
   97. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:50 PM (#6089703)
After being shut out by a guy who I think had only 2 strikeouts all game in the 6th the Crew hits 3 dingers and the Pirate pitcher is out of the game.
   98. Howie Menckel Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:52 PM (#6089705)
deGrom did not seem at all stressed by the "challenge."

and not only did the Mets not score for him while he was in the game, they tied it up right as he left so a ND (Mets refuse to get him wins OR losses, which is weird).

####-eating grin by Jake after 5, and a nice hug from his C Nido (who is not really a MLB player but hard not to like. even has 8 sac bunts this year. never have a position player bunt? unless he's a terrible hitter, he knows what he's doing, and the other 8 batters all can hit).

weirdest injury ever.

"good news, Jake - no need for surgery, just rest"
"great, how much rest?"
"a lot"
"define a lot"
"like, an unbelievable amount"
"you mean like, a month?"
"uh, yeah, kind of. I mean like, a year - and then another month. and then you'll be fine"

Lindor only 8 RBI shy of a hallowed mark - "Most RBI ever by a Mets SS" - of 82, by Jose Reyes in 2006.
   99. Banta Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:53 PM (#6089707)
I’m sorry I’m checking out from this Mets game. It’s been a good season and I like a lot of what they’ve done this year, but this whole day has been completely against all of my better judgement. I think I’ll just sleep my disappointment away and get back at it tomorrow!
   100. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 02, 2022 at 08:54 PM (#6089708)
Supposedly some kid with a serious fro was chatting with Wong and told Wong if he hit a homer the kid would shave his head. Which explains why after Wong DID homer he immediately turned and pointed back at the stands as he began his jog. All info courtesy of the Brewers Sophia Minneart
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